Re: [Phono-L] phonophan
I phear we've phlogged the phun out of this phoolishness. Phrankly, I'm
phinished! TF
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Because we all would have looked at it as a phoolish, phrivolous
phabrication of phebrile phantasy. PC
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan
If I may depart from all this frivolity for a moment-- I very much appreciate
Ken Brekke's words, but the fact is I came to the understanding a while ago
that there were only so many ways you can do clever things with "phono" and
another word. So, inevitably,
different people are going to come up with the same idea. That's life. I
probably should have called myself PhonoPhabrizio. Why didn't I think of this
sooner!!?? TF
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Just to clear my name, several years ago when I signed up to Fleabay, I
used Phono-Phan as a ID not knowing about Phonophan, Tim Fabrizio. I
have used it on the TMF also. When I found out about Phonophan, Tim
Fabrizio, and talked to him about it at the Union show and there wasn't
a problem. I don't know who is using his ID on Youtube.
P.S. Tim, how is the Herzog horn wood graining coming? I would love to
see how it ended up.
Ken Brekke
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Re: [Phono-L] phonophan
If I may depart from all this frivolity for a moment-- I very much appreciate Ken Brekke's words, but the fact is I came to the understanding a while ago that there were only so many ways you can do clever things with "phono" and another word. So, inevitably, different people are going to come up with the same idea. That's life. I probably should have called myself PhonoPhabrizio. Why didn't I think of this sooner!!?? TF Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Ken Brekke via Phono-L To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Ken Brekke Sent: Sat, Mar 5, 2016 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan Just to clear my name, several years ago when I signed up to Fleabay, I used Phono-Phan as a ID not knowing about Phonophan, Tim Fabrizio. I have used it on the TMF also. When I found out about Phonophan, Tim Fabrizio, and talked to him about it at the Union show and there wasn't a problem. I don't know who is using his ID on Youtube. P.S. Tim, how is the Herzog horn wood graining coming? I would love to see how it ended up. Ken Brekke ___ Phono-L mailing list http://spgo1.io/f/a/g8IZvqgqdkgv3nEy9c8hJg~~/AABF2wA~/RgRYvODzP0EIAOttBCEOB_RCCgADc63bVvhYFflSGGFyY2hpdmVAbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlLmNvbQlRBABEo2h0dHA6Ly9zcGdvMS5pby9mL2EvTGdOVkpKNWlvd3FFUGllNDltN0JSQX5-L0FBQkYyd0F-L1JnUll2RU1QUDBFSUFPdHRCQ0VJdnJaQ0NnQURqd19iVnZoWTdFOVNFVkJvYjI1dmNHaGhia0JoYjJ3dVkyOXRDVkVFQUFBQUFFUVNhSFIwY0RvdkwzQm9iMjV2TFd3dWIzSm5Sd0o3ZlJjfiJHAnt9Fw~~ target="_blank">http://spgo1.io/f/a/3rkZgivV7VB8DOstvgkdgw~~/AABF2wA~/RgRYvODzP0EIAOttBCEOB_RCCgADc63bVvhYFflSGGFyY2hpdmVAbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlLmNvbQlRBABEpmh0dHA6Ly9zcGdvMS5pby9mL2EvTGdOVkpKNWlvd3FFUGllNDltN0JSQX5-L0FBQkYyd0F-L1JnUll2RU1QUDBFSUFPdHRCQ0VJdnJaQ0NnQURqd19iVnZoWTdFOVNFVkJvYjI1dmNHaGhia0JoYjJ3dVkyOXRDVkVFQUFBQUFFUVNhSFIwY0RvdkwzQm9iMjV2TFd3dWIzSm5Sd0o3ZlJjfjwvYT5HAnt9Fw~~ Unsubscribe: mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org";>phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] phonophan
He's right about that! It's been said in law enforcement "The best solution is always the simplest." However, in this PARTICULAR instance -- I think it just occurred to some IDIOT (or idiotS) that "phonophan" was a really cool name. Ops.(if I may be allowed to quote the words of the immortal Rick Perry)... I was apparently one of those idiots. Sorry. Never mind. I take that back! Tim "smarter than he looks" Fabrizio -Original Message----- From: Philip Carli via Phono-L To: Tim Fabrizio via Phono-L Cc: Philip Carli Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2016 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan In Tim's strenuous denial, have you considered that he may be trying to conceal himself in these noms-de-Tube? All these presumed "imposters" may be crafty subterfuge on his part to divert attention...devious plans in process, you know, and "the true Messiah denies his own divinity" etc. I am always wary, and therefore await further developments. PC From: Phono-L on behalf of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 10:59 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan The second two may be Thai. It is a pretty popular Thai name apparently. Ron L From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]On Behalf Of Jim Nichol via Phono-L Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 9:12 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Jim Nichol Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan On YouTube there are 3 guys that have their own channels: phonophan, Phono Phan, and Phonophan58. So I guess it’s not that unique an idea for a nickname. Jim Nichol On Mar 3, 2016, at 8:39 PM, SN Medved via Phono-L wrote: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Charles Caleb Colton Although this may be caused by a lack of research, the YouTube guy may have thought, it sounds good I will use it; not thinking it may already be in use. Steve M From: Phono-L on behalf of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 8:01 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan Thanks for the clarification! The guy on Youtube didn't look like you either. Ron L From: Tim Fabrizio via Phono-L [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 4:24 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Tim Fabrizio Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan Hi, all. I have never posted anything to YouTube, so the other party must be an IMPOSTER! Cheers, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L To: phonolist ; 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2016 5:42 pm Subject: [Phono-L] phonophan Tim Fabrizio has a website identified as phonophan. Is he also phonophan on YouTube or has someone else used that name there? Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://spgo1.io/f/a/Zatri7qBNNQH-nGUINeUUg~~/AABF2wA~/RgRYvDnKP0EIAOttBCEIlVBCCgADSgbbVvhY-oZSGGFyY2hpdmVAbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlLmNvbQlRBABEEmh0dHA6Ly9waG9uby1sLm9yZ0cCe30X Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://spgo1.io/f/a/Zatri7qBNNQH-nGUINeUUg~~/AABF2wA~/RgRYvDnKP0EIAOttBCEIlVBCCgADSgbbVvhY-oZSGGFyY2hpdmVAbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlLmNvbQlRBABEEmh0dHA6Ly9waG9uby1sLm9yZ0cCe30X Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://spgo1.io/f/a/Zatri7qBNNQH-nGUINeUUg~~/AABF2wA~/RgRYvDnKP0EIAOttBCEIlVBCCgADSgbbVvhY-oZSGGFyY2hpdmVAbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlLmNvbQlRBABEEmh0dHA6Ly9waG9uby1sLm9yZ0cCe30X Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] phonophan
Hi, all. I have never posted anything to YouTube, so the other party must be an IMPOSTER! Cheers, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L To: phonolist ; 'Antique Phonograph List' Cc: Ron L'Herault Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2016 5:42 pm Subject: [Phono-L] phonophan Tim Fabrizio has a website identified as phonophan. Is he also phonophan on YouTube or has someone else used that name there? Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vintage phonograph dealer in Paris
In case anyone has not yet mentioned it, the "head honcho" at Phonogalerie is
Jalal Aro. The last time I was there (last year) the place was so packed with
phonos you could barely find a place to stand!
For a taste of "Old Paris" (not the present-day Paris which gets more fake and
just-like-any-other-successful-big-city every day) try visiting Mme Steger
("Stay-jhair") on Ave, Michelet near Clingancourt. Nowadays by appointment
only. And she doesn't speak English, but you can see how the Paris of little
boutiques used to be back in the day. I can provide exact details if you are
interested.
Cheers to all, Tim Fabrizio.
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It's about to open a museum close to the shop. Great place!
http://www.phonogalerie.com/lang-francais/
2014-05-17 23:06 GMT+02:00 Ron L'Herault :
> La Phonogalerie
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> 10 Rue Lallier, Paris, France
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> I'm on my way to Paris (I know, life could be a lot harder -- in fact, I'm
> sitting in the airport), and suddenly remember that there is a phonograph
> dealer in Paris that has a retail store -- from what I remember, his
> offerings are quite extensive. It's just that I've completely forgotten
> his
> name. Would someone be so kind as to remind me?
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Re: [Phono-L] Looking for cygnet crane
I have original Cygnet cranes for sale, John. If you haven't already found one, just let me know the type of machine it has to fit. Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 244 5546 Web site: www.phonophan.com -Original Message- From: Zonophone2006 To: phono-l Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:11 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for cygnet crane HI JOHN you might check with george vollema or the one is california too i am sure there will be some at wayne nj next month too if you come to it zono In a message dated 9/22/2013 6:17:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: Hello all Anyone got an original cygnet crane available? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine
Just to put in my "two cents" I have restored probably 8 or 10 Vitaphones of various styles, both internal and external horn. My experience is that they can be made to sound just as good as a "conventional" disc talking machine, depending on many factors -- not the least of which is how messed up they have been made by previous owners trying to "patch them up." And whether they are the version withy the weight or version with the spring, etc. etc. etc. But, in short, I believe the system is a good one and a viable rival to any Victrola. Best to all, Tim Fabrizio Original Message From: DanKj To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine Your 60 is almost identical to my 50; was 60 the Canadian version? I also see that yours lacks the big weight that mine has, on the business end of the 'tone arm' ; I wonder if that would explain why mine is loud & yours is anemic ... - Original Message - From: "Greg Bogantz" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine >This topic of the Vitaphone had come up last year on the TMF forum. I > posted some pictures there then that showed the way the thread connected > the wooden needle bar to the reproducer diaphragm. I've added a few more > pictures there that show more of the model 60 machine. Here's the link to > that page for those who want to see the pictures: > > http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11354 > > Greg Bogantz > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Ron L'Herault" > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine > > >> Thanks for the detailed reply, Greg. I have seen pictures of this style >> already. Amazing. >> >> Ron >> >> -Original Message- >> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Greg Bogantz >> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 3:59 PM >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine >> >> Hi Ron, >> >>I have a Vitaphone model 60 which is the consolette version of this >> machine. Yes, I'd say it is "anemic" compared with most other machines >> of >> this vintage. The reason is pretty obvious - the design of the acoustic >> system is pretty silly. What appears to be the "tonearm" is more easily >> understood as being actually a HUGE stylus bar. The long wooden piece >> has >> the needle attached at the front end and it is expected to transmit the >> needle vibrations along the length of this wooden bar to a string at the >> back end which is coupled under tension to the center of the reproducer >> diaphragm which is located at the back of the tonearm. The actual >> tonearm >> is a metal structure positioned under the wooden bar that has a vertical >> and >> lateral pivot near the front that supports the wooden needle bar and >> allows >> both vertical and lateral wiggling of the wooden bar. As you can >> suspect, >> the compliance of this arrangement is ridiculously poor with a HUGE >> amount >> of mass (the whole wooden bar) having to be moved by the needle. The >> string >> that couples the back of the wooden bar to the diaphragm can be strung >> over >> a metal hook at the back of the lateral tonearm pivot stanchion which >> causes >> the tension in the string to be directed kinda sorta laterally to the >> diaphragm. This is the way the system is supposed to be set to play >> lateral >> records. The more direct linkage of the string drawing down vertically >> from >> the diaphragm (not threaded over the metal hook) is the setup for playing >> vertical records. As you might expect, the vertical setup is more >> efficient >> and sensitive than the lateral setup. Consequently, I most often use my >> Vitaphone to play Pathe Sapphire discs with a sapphire ball stylus in the >> needle chuck. It sounds better playing Pathes than any lateral records. >> Theoretically, you could play Edison DDs by mounting an Edison diamond >> point >> in the needle chuck. But the tonearm friction is high enough that I >> haven't >> wanted to try playing DDs on the machine. In any case, the sound >> transmission thru the bizarre needle bar system is pretty inefficient and >> lossy which makes the Vita
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80
RE your wondering how the D would sound with an electric record -- it sounds pretty darn good. Though my experience suggests you shouldn't repeatedly play a record you particularly care about. The D will begin to tear it up, at least from my long experience with it. It wouldn't have been much of an issue at the time -- considering an 80 purchased, say, in early 1929 wouldn't have had much use before the records were discontinued later that year. Of course, the owner could have continued to play his favorites, and might have "found out the hard way." TF -Original Message- From: Steven Medved To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 9:03 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 Hello Tim, Thanks for the info you provided, it is very hard to come by. I could not get the Diamond D reproducer to fit in the carriage with the sound tube in the horn on my 50, perhaps on an 80 the horn attaches differently and I could have installed the reproducer without it being in the horn and then attached the horn. I rebuilt a Diamond D and it was a huge undertaking as the normal pot metal weight had swollen so I had to remove material from the lead weight to get the lead weight to fit on the the pot metal weight. Then the lead weight had cracked because the pot metal had pushed it up so I had to reshape the lead weight so it would not hit the record. The stylus just barely clears as you said and it took me several tries before I had the lead weight properly installed so the stylus would play. Then the reproducer would not fit in my 50 carriage unless I took the weight off. The sound was much better without the weight. With the weight you got move volume but the sound was not as good. I would have liked to hear how it sounded on an 80 with an electrically recorded record. Sometimes people will destroy the pot metal weight when removing the lead weight. I have seen a large amount of these reproducers with the lead weight removed, now I know why. The extra weight is lead and only expands when the pot metal forces it to. The clearance between the record and the lead weight is very small, even with after I got the lead weight properly installed it looked like it would not work but it did. They made the lead weight so it would fit a diamond B as well. I have only seen one Diamond B with the extra lead weight attached. Steve > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: phonop...@aol.com > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:34:19 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 > > Hello Tim, Do you remember the serial numbers? > > I'll look into that and e-mail you separately. > > Did you ever rebuild a diamond D with the extra lead weight still on it? > > I personally found it impossible to rebuild a D with the big weight attached. > > > How much difference does the larger horn make? > > Well, so much is dependent on the cylinder you are playing. I never made a comparison test between an 80 and, say, a 75. > > > Was the carriage different? The diamond D will not fit in a 30 50 75 carriage unless you install the reproducer and then attach the weight. > > That's an interesting question. My perception is that the carriage is identical. The D only "just" clears the record. And they have a tendency to swell, which could explain why you found it a problem to get into the carriage. I had one like that myself. But my impression is a "well-preserved" D will in fact fit a "regular" carriage. > > > TF > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80
Tim, Were the Amberola 80s Oak or Mahogany? Only one oak version has been seen so far. The rest have been mahogany. The fact that they made ANY in oak is quite remarkable, considering that oak was so very out of fashion in 1928. TF ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80
Hello Tim, Do you remember the serial numbers? I'll look into that and e-mail you separately. Did you ever rebuild a diamond D with the extra lead weight still on it? I personally found it impossible to rebuild a D with the big weight attached. How much difference does the larger horn make? Well, so much is dependent on the cylinder you are playing. I never made a comparison test between an 80 and, say, a 75. Was the carriage different? The diamond D will not fit in a 30 50 75 carriage unless you install the reproducer and then attach the weight. That's an interesting question. My perception is that the carriage is identical. The D only "just" clears the record. And they have a tendency to swell, which could explain why you found it a problem to get into the carriage. I had one like that myself. But my impression is a "well-preserved" D will in fact fit a "regular" carriage. TF ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80
Hi, all --- I've worked on two Amberola 80s and I'm intimately familiar with them. The biggest "technical" differences in the mechanism from, say, a 50 or 75 are 1) the governor, it has been given "restraints" to limit or rather "control" the movement of the weights 2) of course, the Diamond D reproducer. And the horn is of different proportions, of course. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: mobility scooters To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 12:41 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 I would just like to say Thank You to all for sharing this information especially Al and Steve. I have always thought that we are only "Care Takers" of the machines we own and I think our job is to keep or make any machine as original as it can be and play as well as it can and enjoy it!! Alongside that if we can collect and add any information on its own history or history of the actual machine is quite special. I am in New Zealand and without the help from Steve Medved many of my machines would still be dead or very sad machines including this Amberola 80. Since Steve overhauled the reproducer it sounds fantastic and I am sure it is as good or better than it was when new. It is now alive and I have the machine as close to original as I can and I am proud of that! But with this forum and all the helpful participants I can now add some more information on the Amberola 80 and keep this with the machine for the next owner. I hope people realize how important this forum is to other members with limited knowledge and how much a small collector like me in New Zealand appreciates it. We are just so far away from the USA and I must say that the internet is one of the biggest things to thank, as without this means of communication there would be such a lot of information lost or not shared and a huge amount of machines never being repaired because of not being able to find the missing parts or make the right contacts! Many Thanks Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013 2:22 p.m. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 I would have to agree with Steve Medved. Very likely 100 or less were made of each model, the 60 and the 80. Steve has seen more of them than I have. If I had research priveledges with the Site the 60 and 80 would be something to look into. I don't believe they had their own manuals but that is just an opinion. Best wishes, Al -Original Message- From: mobility scooters To: phono-l Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 2:28 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 80 Al, Do you have any information for the Amberola 80 machines. Also do you know if they made a sales brochure or manual for the Amberola 80? Thanks Tony ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
Well, I wouldn't say "burnout" more like "fatalism." Which I guess is worse --- oh, oh I better keep my mouth shut! TF -Original Message- From: Philip Carli To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Tim, I'm glad all is not doom and gloom for you. Remember, though, all these past experiences people are mentioning seem to be from the 2000s, not the 70s-90s, plus you know the gent who got a Credenza inspired by my find _quite well_. (I suppose I shouldn't even mention the late Edison Long Play Console that went very cheaply at one of the Clarence sheds not long ago...with both reproducers and intact diamonds...shame there were no discs...) I hear burnout! (Maybe not.) Best, PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Tim Fabrizio [phonop...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:06 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, if we want to discuss the past, yes, back in the 70s I did find some good things in shops. And during the 80s I did well finding things at antique shows, too. The 90s weren't entirely bad, but much sparser. And lately NADA. But how about a little ray of sunshine? --- last year while attending a wedding in VT, I happened upon a shop that was along my route, stopped in, the guy was somebody I had run into at Brimfield, and he was marginally interested in phonos. He had a few machines (surprised to see them), but also some parts, and I bought an Eldridge Johnson ID plate for an Eldridge Johnson machine which I needed. It wasn't dirt cheap, the guy was well informed, but it was something one doesn't expect to find. Cheers, TF. -Original Message- From: Philip Carli To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I seem to do all right in antique shops myself, but the truth is my interests are wide-ranging and I really don't need any more things, so I'm more curious than driven. The Tales Of The Herzog And The Auxetophone are wonderful, though (capitalization is necessary for such fantastic experiences), and prove that extraordinary things are indeed still out there, if pursued with relaxed good humour and modest expectations. I know one gentleman on this list who several years ago was moved to seek out an Orthophonic Credenza, which his collection then lacked, because I had just found a nice induction-disc electric-motored one in a most unprepossessing Cleveland junk shop for $75. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Vinyl Visions [vinyl.visi...@live.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:04 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I agree with everyone who has had a negative experience with antique shops... the odds are slim and none. Most antique shops call pickers who they know will immediately buy certain items, so the randomness of the find becomes very slight. Same with flea markets, unless you just stumble onto something by chance. I have been in a flea market on the very first day and searched known vendors for items of interest, only to find that on the last day of the market someone bought an unusual item from a vendor that I had searched two days before - the vendor held items back to show to a certain person, even though they were not already purchased by that person. That being said, I nominate Kinney Rorrer for my candidate of the collector with extremely good luck. Several years ago, he found a Victor 6 ornate horn machine cabinet in an antique shop for under $100, but his best find was in Greensboro, NC at a junk shop. He walked in and found an Auxetophone for I think, $135 - then the ow ner of the shop informed him that that item was on sale for 20% off... unbelievable. > From: zonophone2...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:25:04 -0400 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 > > now tim > i just bought my second rollmonica with two cranks and a killer columbia by > in a local shop > lol > zono > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 10:30:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > phonop...@aol.com writes: > > From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing > than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to > take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually "found" > something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are > always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us > with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- > but I prefer
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
t; Crapophone > Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment > > So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means > that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, > in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops > and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! > > Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: bruce78rpm > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 > > > I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving > by the > antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act > on > it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone > else > ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a > sick > feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop > again > and again. > > - Original Message - > > From: "john robles" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 > > You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, > which is > a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. > A > shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had > that > machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... > John > > > > > > From: Tim Fabrizio > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 > > > Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an "internal" horn, > though > few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! > > Best to all, > > Tim Fabrizio > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: john robles > To: phonolist > Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 > > > Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! > > http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
>From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than >fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take >mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually "found" something in >an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always >the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve >to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer >to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded >garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a "snob" -- but in fact >I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops "used" to be in the >distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell >on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, "supposedly" a good "antiquing" area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many "group" shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an "internal" horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles To: phonolist Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an "internal" horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles To: phonolist Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor I question
The Victor I used back-bracket/elbow parts UNIQUE to it. Parts from other machines can not be substituted. There is some anecdotal evidence to suggest that in the period 1915 - 1920 those small numbers of Victor I's being produced may finally have acquired back-brackets virtually identical to contemporary Victor II's, but these machines are extremely rare and therefore do not enter into the discussion. Best wishes, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 Web site: www.phonophan.com -Original Message- From: Bob Maffit To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Sent: Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:07 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I question Phono List: Are the back-bracket and tone arm from a Victor I & II interchangeable? Are the parts needed interchangeable from other machines workable as well? later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Crisis of victrola conscience
I think John is correct to have concern over the fate of the machine, though "theoretically" sellers are not obligated to care about the fate of what they sell, unless perhaps it's a kitten or a puppy. I would direct the lady to the Crap-O-Phones on eBay, if she wants to own a monstrosity such as that. You may lose the sale, but you'll sleep better. And the possibility definitely remains she may decide it's best to leave the machine "as nature intended" and buy it anyway. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: john robles To: phono-l Sent: Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:50 am Subject: [Phono-L] Crisis of victrola conscience Hello all I have a mahogany Victrola VI for sale on Craigslist. A woman has been making serious inquiries on it. Her first question: Does it have a bracket and horn? I said no and I explained that Victrolas have the horns on the inside behind the doors. She writes back and says "A bracket, elbow and horn would amplify the sound. Where are you located?". I said that adding those items to this machine would make it a fake, something it was never meant to be. My dilemma? I want to sell the machine, and I have had very little response. She's the first serious one. But I am concerned that if I sell to her she will mangle it. After almost 100 years of life, I don't want to be the one that sells it to Dr Frankenstein. Or am I just being too sentimental? I've sold lots of phonos in my time, and I don't know what happened to them after I sold them. I'd like to hear your opinions! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
Some of Jolson's funniest stuff, to my way of thinking, was when he hosted the Kraft Music Hall on radio, from 1947 - 49. The acerbic pianist Oscar Levant was his comic sidekick, and Groucho Marx occasionally showed up to really mix things up. They always kidded Jolson about being "over the hill" -- and in one bit Levant is asked to play Jolson's wife in a scene. Levant comments sarcastically, "I wouldn't marry Jolson if he were the last man on earth -- and HE PROBABLY WILL BE!" Well, he didn't quite make it, but not for want of trying. TF -Original Message- From: Steven Medved To: phono-l Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? Hello Tim, I did not know he entertained the troops after 1940, I sent the link in the event someone else was like me. The thought of a major star using a ten year old portable is very funny to me. In my mind I see him lip syncing to his mammy song and his special assistant winding the victrola changing the needle after each record. You should write a book on all the personally owned items. Thanks so much, Steve > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: phonop...@aol.com > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:46:09 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? > > Of course Al Jolson entertained the troops in the 1940s. But if you think he was carrying around a 10-plus-year-old portable Victrola, then I guess he wasn't getting paid the kind of money his staredom would have merited. (Not getting paid to entertain the troops, but getting paid from his other entrainment activities to be able to afford a new Victrola.) > > TF > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Steven Medved > To: phono-l > Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:37 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinJgcJQhII > > http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-NA001477.jpg?size=67&uid=dbb4b702-f7fe-420c-aa83-03a587d44190 > > Looks like he had a live piano player. > > > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > From: phonop...@aol.com > > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:27:22 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? > > > > > > What troops, exactly, was Al Jolson entertaining? We were not at war > 1919-1941, and had relatively small armed forces during that period. > > > > If I told you the number of Edison Phonographs and other objects that were > "personally owned" by Thomas Edison over the past 43 years, you'd be > surprised > --- or not! > > > > Tim Fabrizio > > phonophan > > PO Box 747 > > Henrietta, NY 14467 > > > > TEL 585 582 1586 > > Web site: www.phonophan.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Steven Medved > > To: phono-l ; phonolist > > Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:29 pm > > Subject: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-JOLSONS-VICTOR-2-65-ORTHOPHONIC-VICTROLA-/181049044024 > > > > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > > > > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
Of course Al Jolson entertained the troops in the 1940s. But if you think he was carrying around a 10-plus-year-old portable Victrola, then I guess he wasn't getting paid the kind of money his staredom would have merited. (Not getting paid to entertain the troops, but getting paid from his other entrainment activities to be able to afford a new Victrola.) TF -Original Message- From: Steven Medved To: phono-l Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinJgcJQhII http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-NA001477.jpg?size=67&uid=dbb4b702-f7fe-420c-aa83-03a587d44190 Looks like he had a live piano player. > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: phonop...@aol.com > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:27:22 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? > > > What troops, exactly, was Al Jolson entertaining? We were not at war 1919-1941, and had relatively small armed forces during that period. > > If I told you the number of Edison Phonographs and other objects that were "personally owned" by Thomas Edison over the past 43 years, you'd be surprised --- or not! > > Tim Fabrizio > phonophan > PO Box 747 > Henrietta, NY 14467 > > TEL 585 582 1586 > Web site: www.phonophan.com > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Steven Medved > To: phono-l ; phonolist > Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:29 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-JOLSONS-VICTOR-2-65-ORTHOPHONIC-VICTROLA-/181049044024 > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
What troops, exactly, was Al Jolson entertaining? We were not at war 1919-1941, and had relatively small armed forces during that period. If I told you the number of Edison Phonographs and other objects that were "personally owned" by Thomas Edison over the past 43 years, you'd be surprised --- or not! Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 Web site: www.phonophan.com -Original Message- From: Steven Medved To: phono-l ; phonolist Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 5:29 pm Subject: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA? http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-JOLSONS-VICTOR-2-65-ORTHOPHONIC-VICTROLA-/181049044024 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Very Sad News
I was stunned to hear about Bob. I'd been out of touch with him in recent years, but he and Karen could not have been better hosts when I visited them to shoot images for the Fabrizio/Paul books. Stunned. Brice, please keep me in the loop. With sadness, Tim Fabrizo Original Message From: brice paris To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Very Sad News I am very sad and upset that I must bring to you very sad news. Mr. Robert R. Johnson of the famous Mr. Victor Phonograph Museum, avid Oregon Duck fan and a friend to most of us in the phonograph world, was unable to beat the odds this time and passed away yesterday afternoon after a short illness. Bob was one of the most generous people that I have ever known, and I am sure that many of you have been on the receieving end of that at one time or another. He was always willing to take his time to help collectors and non collectors who contacted him with his knowledge of our hobby, often times giving parts to folks he really didn't know to help them put a machine together. He was a true gentleman who never let grass grow under his feet, he always kept moving. Words can not describe the shock and heavy hearts that Kathleen and I have loosing a friend such as Bob. Bob and Karen were inseparatable and always had a smile and greeting for anyone that they met.I ask that your thoughts and prayers go out to Karen and their two daughters Kelly and Keri as they attempt to deal with their loss. As many of you know when dealing with their personal lives they are relatively private. At this time, Karen has asked that you contact me directly with any phone calls and any questions and I will try my best to answer. I will also let everyone know when I have an address that they would want cards sent to or hear of what or if they are planning to have a Celebration of Life for Bob . He will be sorely missed by all of us. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Unusual roll top machine???
A friend of mine bought one very similar to this a couple years ago -- but unfortunately he has no pictures of it on his Web site. So, in my opinion it's a genuine obscure brand. Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions To: phono-l Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:07 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual roll top machine??? Is this an actual manufactured machine or something that someone built? http://www.ebay.com/itm/330772322746?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rob Mallet
I have to chime in here and say I've known Rob for many years and he's a stand-up guy. Regarding the reproducer John refers to, it sounds like an unfortunate situation, but it must be some kind of mix-up. Rob works ridiculously long hours, there are whole periods of time I can't reach him because he's so busy. I don't know what happened regarding the reproducer, and I can see why John is upset -- but the Rob I know is not a crook and not even close! Rob subscribes to this list, so I know he is reading this stuff. So, there's my two cents.. Best wishes to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: john robles To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 1:59 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rob Mallet Steve - It is edisoniareco...@yahoo.com. Did he rip you off too? A friend of mine ( a known researcher and author) ordered a CAT reproducer from him something like five years ago, and Rob cashed the check (over $200) and never sent the item. My friend told me about it recently and I told him I had Rob's email address and would mention it, and I got this email back from Rob saying that he had the reproducer but had never mailed it because he got divorced and had to move and he lost the address in the move. So I am all happy, thinking I am going to get my friend's reproducer. I gave him the mailing address, and he never sent it. I have written him three or four times since then and never received a response. So I guess he's just another crook. If you ask me, he committed mail fraud by advertising the reproducer, accepting the order, cashing the check and never shipping the product. John Robles From: Steven Medved To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:57 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Rob Mallet Hello, I am trying to contact Rob, the e-mail I have did not work. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dutreih cylinders
Dutreih (pronounced "doo-tray") cylinders were in fact manufactured by Pathe. Both "Inter" and standard-sized were made, and were characterized by maroon-colored boxes (as opposed to Pathe's dark blue and later "leather" colored boxes). Cheers all, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com -Original Message- From: Michael Tucker To: Phono-L Post Sent: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:23 am Subject: [Phono-L] Dutreih cylinders The Dutreih Intermediate cylinders are identical in size to the Pathe Intermediates. They have a slightly different box and start in the 150,000's. Hazarding a guess, I suspect they were manufactured by Pathe. I can supply photos if required. Mike Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
