Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Where to buy Grill Cloth

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

Just did an answer to this for someone else. It's
http://www.grillecloth.com.  It's John Okolowicz, in Ambler, Pa. His
website has pictures of all of his patterns, in color. Forgot his pattern
number, but the cloth is a dead ringer for the stuff used in the Credenza,
and many other radios, as well. He did have one; a gold diamond pattern
that was absolutely the one on the Victor Electrolas, and several other
early RCA radios used. The stuff is beautiful. 

Doug. HoustonOrtonville, Michigan

Original Message:
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From:  bruce78...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:56:58 + (UTC)
To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: Where to buy Grill Cloth





Can someone please direct me to the proper supplier where I can buy a 16 X
8 piece of Grill Cloth for my Victor VV-1-90 Table Model Orthophonic ? 

I just bought a piece on line from a Phono Supplier who advertised Grill
Cloth and specializes in phonograph restoration, what I received was a
piece of shiny gold non-porous 
dress fabric that I could never ever use on this small orthophonic era
Victor or any other machine for that matter. I told this fellow exactly
what I wanted and what machine it was for. I even sent him a video of the
VV-1-90. The grill cloth on the 1-90 is extremely close to the type used on
a Victor Credenza, so that kind of Grill Cloth would be acceptable as well.
Thanks for your help. 


B 
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Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick Hamilton

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

Is this an acoustical or electrical Brunswick? Some of the radio-phono
combinations had RCA electronics, and were pretty sensational.

Original Message:
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From: Burdette Walters burdettewalt...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 14:55:00 -0800 (PST)
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Hamilton


Does anyone have information on a relatively large floor model Brunswick 
Hamilton? It has 2 doors in front,that expose the large grill, and flanked
on 
the sides with pull out wooden front drawers for records. I would really
like to 
date this, and find out where in the overall Brunswick sceme of things it
fits.
Burdette Walters


  
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Re: [Phono-L] For Sale: Rare Klan Record

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

My introduction to the Klan discs was to find several of them on a trash
pile on a curb, several decades ago. The label on most of them was" 100%,
which meant nothing to me until I played some of them. They were pressed by
Gennett, so that's why the location is always taken as Indiana. There is
also a "KKK" label, which turned up later some place. 

For the most part, the songs are parodies of songs that were popular at the
time the disc must have been pressed. Without looking now, I recall that
one was titled: "Barney Google, Clansman", a parody on the Barney Google
song. Another that comes to kind is: "The Old Flaming Cross", a parody on
"The Old Rugged Cross". They weren't very original. 

Original Message:
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From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:12:58 -0500
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] For Sale: Rare Klan Record



CONDITION: I would say VG or VG minus - light surface scuffing, minor
scratches which do not affect play. Labels good - no tears: The Fiery Cross
In The Vale side label is better than the other side - "In The Light Of The
Fiery Cross". Both labels have needle marks - light on the first side,
scratches on the second. Both are completely readable and intact. Record
#K26 and K27 - Imperial Quintette of Lansing, Michigan (Pitts-Imperial
Quintette) - couldn't find any info on this Imperial Quintette Label or the
group. Pics on request.
Curt


> From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:58:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] For Sale: Rare Klan Record
> 
> 
> Wrong email below - should be: vinyl.visions@live-dotcom (live.com) -
Sorry...
> Curt
> 
> 
> > From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:51:32 -0500
> > Subject: [Phono-L] For Sale: Rare Klan Record
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I ran across an interesting record recently, which shows that the Klan
was alive and well in Michigan in the 1920's. I grew up in Michigan and was
never aware of it's existence there. I have seen and owned other Klan
records, but never one that was made in Lansing, Michigan - most that I
have seen are from Indiana or southern states. This one is by the Imperial
Quintette, Lansing, Michigan and is titled "The fiery cross in the vale" -
this is a re-write of a famous Christian hymn. 
> > 
> > 
> > FYI - Just to be clear: I am not in any way affiliated with the Klan or
promote them, nor do I believe in what the Klan does or has done in the
past and I am not a racist. I collect odd records of historic significance
and that is what this record represents - an interesting historical item,
ONLY. This is probably not for everybody, but as a historical record I
believe it to be very rare.
> > 
> > 
> > If you are interested: $75 includes shipping in the US or make me an
offer: vinyl.visions@gmail-dotcom
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Phono-L] In The Groove & thinking out loud.

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

Doesn't sound like a bad idea. But, are we at the point where we're ready
to publish a big book on an annual basis? ITG has elevated to a higher
degree of excellence thgan it has ever done, since John Whiteacre's day,
and the ladies that called the shots then. I feeel that there will need to
be a big backlog of articles and filler for such an ambitious project as
"the book" annual. 

At this time,  I am planning three submissions for ITG, but don't have them
ready enough to commit myself for deadlines. There are just too many things
here at home, in the way of getting the fun stuff done. 

I do wish that Tim could back off a little on the weight of the cover of
the mag. I think that it doesn't need to be that heavy. It's more beautiful
than any we've ever seen in the past, but the cover is too close to being
cardboard. 

So, we publish an annual mag. Are we going to make this a fund raiser for
various causes? What about the club treasury? Are we overflowing with cash
flow to the degree that we need to bleed off a surplus to 501(c)3 outfits?
I think we'd better soft pedal the notion of supporting charities for some
time to come. Understand: I contribute to several "worthy causes", but if
MAPS is already so flush with cash, why not return it to the membership in
the form of reduced dues.h? 

Original Message:
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From: Tim McCormick d...@themccormicks.com
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:38:10 -0500
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L]  In The Groove & thinking out loud.


Folks,

I am self-conscious from all the praise.  Thank you!  MAPS and In
The Groove simply would not exist if not for you and all of our wonderful
contributors.  I also want to second George Paul on the California Antique
Phonograph Society and The Sound Box.  A fantastic publication!  I have been
a member/subscriber for years.

I am thinking out loud here, without discussing this with anyone
(the thing that usually gets me in hot water) but...  what if the
California/Michigan/Canadian Antique Phonograph Societies and possibly the
City of London Phonograph and Gramophone Society, Vintage Phonograph Society
of New Zealand, Phono society of New South Wales, Phono Society of South
Australia and any other group I am missing were to combine their efforts to
produce an annual PhonOmnibus special edition magazine?  The PhonOmnibus (or
whatever we call it) could number into the 50 or 60 page arena, include
several photo spreads in full color, provide the reader an introduction to
each group, list vendors and suppliers, and original articles only to be
found within its pages.  It may end up selling for $20 a copy if it were 60
pages of full color glossy pages with stiff cover stock outer covers.  The
profits (if any) could go to a common non-profit organization, perhaps the
Edison Birthplace Museum, or maybe even earthquake rebuilding efforts in
Christchurch, New Zealand?  Like I said, just thinking out loud.

Thanks,

Tim

Tim McCormick, President
Michigan Antique Phonograph Society
presid...@maps-itg.org
www.MAPS-ITG.org

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of gpaul2...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:42 AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] In The Groove - Upcoming Events calendar

 Tim has indeed made some great improvements to In The Groove.  I'm paid up
for the next two years!  I'd like to also recommend the California Antique
Phonograph Society's journal, The Sound Box, to all collectors.  You can
look over an issue at www.antiquephono.org. and join up if you like what you
see (either Paypal or check).

George P.

-Original Message-
From: bruce78rpm 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 11:36 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] In The Groove - Upcoming Events calendar

Yes, ditto on all of that. A first class, thoroughly interesting and
informative publication, written by collectors for collectors. 

Bruce 

- Original Message - 

From: "Loran T. Hughes"  
To: "Antique Phonograph List"  
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:27:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] In The Groove - Upcoming Events calendar 

Tim, you've done a wonderful job with ITG... list members, if you are not
currently a member of MAPS, I encourage you to pop over to MAPS-ITG.org and
check it out (follow the current website link to view a sample issue of
ITG). I consider my back issues of 'In the Groove' as much a part of my
collection as any other piece. 

Regards, 

Loran 


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Re: [Phono-L] Magnetic Pickup Repair/Restoraion

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I normally don't get mixed up in these discussions, but I hve an CA V-225,
and surprise! the cartridges are dead (and I haven't had the guts to take
on the changer). RCA used crystal pickups after 1938, with the exception of
the little puppy faced magnetic on some models. 

I did buy three RCA  "Magic tone cells", which are replacements for such as
the 215, 225. They were dead, as I expected, and will need to have new
elements put in them. You have to get a "donor" new cartridge, steal the
element from it, and replace the old Rochelle salt element.   

Original Message:
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From: RBaumbach phonol...@mac.com
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:23:06 -0700
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Magnetic Pickup Repair/Restoraion


The service data lists crystal cartridges for both of these.

About 30 years ago I had a V-225 (the one that plays both sides of the
record).  I was able to find a couple of NOS cartridges for it, but of
course they were as dead as the used ones in the record changer.  At least
the needles were new.


On MondayMarch 28, 2011, at March2820118:27 PM, richard_ru...@hotmail.com
wrote:

> 
> Bob, does this mean the V-210 and V-215 also have crystal cartridges?
> 
> 
> 
>> From: phonol...@mac.com
>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:05:18 -0700
>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Magnetic Pickup Repair/Restoraion
>> 
>> According to the red book, the V-205 has a crystal pickup cartridge.
>> 
>> 
>> On MondayMarch 28, 2011, at March2820112:25 PM, ny victrolaman wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings, everyone.  I recently picked up an RCA Victor model V-205, a
1941
>>> radio-phonograph combination.  I believe the phonograph has a magnetic
>>> pickup (though if anyone suspects otherwise, please let me know!).  I
>>> haven't bought a machine with a magnetic pickup in years, and the
fellow who
>>> used to repair/restore them for me has since passed away.  Can anyone
please
>>> recommend someone who works on these?  I'd heard tell of such people
here
>>> and there in the past, but it seemed they were all expensive AND very
slow;
>>> I'd prefer someone reasonable and quick.  Call me spoiled.
>>> 
>>> I'm also wondering what I would have to have and do in order to restoe
such
>>> a pickup on my own.  Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> NYVM
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Re: [Phono-L] WTB: door pulls for Radiola-Electrola RE-57

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

I'll look, but don't hold your breath. I'm junking an RE-57, and there
could be door pulls on it. The stupid little things are frail as a shadow,
and are missing more often than not. 

Original Message:
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From: George victr...@triton.net
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 10:59:29 -0400
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WTB: door pulls for Radiola-Electrola RE-57


If you come up with a picture forward it to me please so I can check for
you.
Thank you,
George Vollema
Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
Newaygo MI 49337-8556
www.victroladoctor.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: William Zucca 
  To: Antique Phonograph List 
  Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 7:29 AM
  Subject: [Phono-L] WTB: door pulls for Radiola-Electrola RE-57


  Hello All:
  I am in need of a couple of door pulls for my Radiola-Electrola RE-57. The
  back plates are present but the dangly fobs are missing. I don't have a
  picture to send you showing what I need but I will continue to look on the
  Internet for a view of the cabinet showing the front of the doors with the
  pulls in place. Contact me if you have any available.

  Thanks,
  GrnMountainBill
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Re: [Phono-L] RCA horn driver needed

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

Thought I'd throw in a wisecrack or so. That driver was made of a
loudspeaker 100A driver, pushing an olrthophonic aluminum diaphragm, as on
the sound boxes. You could find a LS 100A with a shot cone, and use the
driver on the horn driver unit. You're just lucky that you're not looking
for the electro-dynamic driver, as used on the 10-51 orthophonic Victrolas!

I  might add that, if you could get those drivers to George Epple in
Baltimore for a magnet re-charge, he has a real wizzbanger of a magnet
charger. It has been told by several people that you'd almost never believe
the difference in a magnetic speaker. I have a LS 100 in my Victor
Hyperion, and should send it to George. I'd surely like to hear it as it
was new. 

Original Message:
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From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 11:54:45 -0400
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] RCA horn driver needed


George:

I know you are not a radio guy but my favorite type of collectable
phonograph is actually early radio/phono combination and other early RCA
console battery radios.  I am in need of several horn drivers for RCA radios
that were used in Brunswick and Victor phonographs (see attached pics) and
wonder if you might have any of them.

Thanks,
BillZ
Rochester, VT
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Re: [Phono-L] rca victor radio

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Charlotte:

Not much info here, on the Stewart Warner, but I can roughly describe the
RCA. It's a 1939 model set, 4 tube battery portable. It will not have the
AC power supply that later battery portables had. The service data will be
in the 1938 RCA red book. The books are dated for the year they were
printed, and that the sets were announced. Thus, the 1939 sets are in the
1938 book. 

Original Message:
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From: Charlotte Mager waves...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:38:43 -0400
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] rca victor radio


Try asking over at antiqueradios.com  or at audiokarma.org  Lots of
knowledgeable collectors there.

Charlottte ak Waves

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>
> I read messages but don’t post much on here.Had a robbery at my farm
> and they trashed and smashed and took stuff.  Some things they just left.
>
> I found a 1934 Stewart-Warner Radio (made in Canada) and an RCA Victor
> Radio Model 94BT1.  Does anyone have any info on these radio’s.
>
> From the Desk of
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Re: [Phono-L] Ada Jones - The Volunteer Organist

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

I expect that the late Milford Fargo would have had the record in his Ada
Jones collection. Unfortunately,the collection wasn't saved intact. You may
need a miracle to get the recording you want, and I wish you lots of luck,
doing it.

I'm not sure that anyone knows where his collection went to. 

I have a list of records that Fargo had. He gave it to me when I visited
him, long, long ago. I gave that list and his discography to Phil Stewart,
some time ago. Currently. I'm in Lansing, Mich. for a radio meet, and can't
get my meat hooks on my copy of Fargo's list.  

Original Message:
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From:  bruce78...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:12:46 + (UTC)
To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org, phonol...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Ada Jones - The Volunteer Organist


I just received an inquiry as to whether one the earliest known surviving
early 1890's recordings made by Ada Jones is available somewhere on an
audio. I know that Archeophone has a sound file for Sweet Marie, but what
about the other known survivor "The Volunteer Organist" ??. They were both
recorded by the North American Phonograph Co. sometime in late 1893 or
early 1894 ? 

Bruce 
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Re: [Phono-L] Lusitania

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

There was really not much mystery to the Lusitania sinking, if you find
your information in the right places. I have a paperback book from probably
35-40 years ago,which told the whole story. The ship was armed, with
concealed gun mounts, and was carrying a lot of munitions in its hold. The
German government published a full page ad in the New York papers, telling
that the ship was a warship, nand that if it were sighted on the high seas,
it would be torpedoed, as a routine act of war. If any Americans set sail
on the ship, they would do so at their own risk. I've seen this ad
reproduced elsewhere since.  Reprints from the ship's manifest are shown in
this book, and show tons of munitions aboard. 

In addition, the captain had orders, after he sailed, tht brought him into
the area where it was torpedoed. 

After the torpedo hit the ship, there were numerous secondary explosions
from the ship. Guess why. The tale tells rthat the sub commander didn't
realize the ship's identity until the torpedo was under way. He was said
the remark "My God, That's the Lusitania!!". 
. 
Original Message:
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From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:53:57 -0400
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Lusitania



And just to add to thatElbert Hubbard was on his way to England, 
on 
the Lusitania,  to speak out against World War I, when it was sunk by the 
Germans..he didn't survive. Monday, August 08, 2011AN AMERICAN
multi-millionaire has moved a step closer to  realising one of his life’s
great ambitions — solving the enduring mystery of  the sinking of the
Lusitania. Gregg Bemis, 83, who has owned the wreck since 1968, oversaw
operations off  the south coast on Saturday as divers began cutting through
the hull of the  wreck.  It was 25 nautical miles south of the Old Head of
Kinsale en route from New York  to Liverpool in May 1915 when it was hit
under its bridge by a torpedo fired  from a German U-boat. 

  The explosion triggered a mystery secondary  explosion which ripped the
hull of the 790ft (241m) vessel apart. 

  It  sank by the head in less than 18 minutes, killing 1,198 of the 1,959
people on  board, including 39 children and dozens of Americans. 

  The sinking  caused massive controversy because the vessel was carrying
civilian passengers,  including eminent and wealthy politicians, artists,
the art collector Hugh Lane,  academics and businessmen. 


Read more:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfgbmhojidcw/rss2/#ixzz1YX2wRsEr

 
http://www.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html The nearly
century-old debate about whether the passenger liner 
Lusitania was transporting British war munitions when torpedoed by a 
German U-boat is over. Physical evidence of just such a cargo has been
recovered 
from the wreck, which rests 12 miles off the Irish coast in 300 feet of
murky, 
turbulent water. 
Bullets from the ship now confirm it was 
carrying military cargo. Lusitania was sunk off County Cork on May 7, 1915.
The attack killed 
1,198 people, including 128 Americans, and helped push the United States
into 
World War I. Ever since the ship went down, there have been suspicions that 
Lusitania was carrying live munitions. Under the rules of war, that would 
have made the liner a legitimate target, as the Germans maintained at the
time. 

The British government has always been evasive about the presence of 
munitions on Lusitania. Two cargo manifests were submitted; the second, 
filed after the ship sailed, indicated there were light munitions on board.
Some 
believe the ship was carrying much more, however, and that the British Navy 
attempted to destroy the wreck in the 1950s to conceal its military cargo. 
Now a team led by County Waterford-based diver Eoin McGarry, on behalf of 
Lusitania's American owner, Gregg Bemis, has recovered live ammunition 
from the wreck. Bemis was granted a five-year license in 2007 by the Irish 
government to conduct limited excavations at the site. He originally bought
the 
vessel in 1968 for $2,400 from the Liverpool & London War Risks Insurance 
Association. 
This past September, Bemis's team used a remotely operated vehicle to 
penetrate the wreck. They were able to clearly identify a vast amount of 
ammunition in an area of Lusitania not believed to have carried cargo. 
The Remington .303 caliber bullets the team discovered on the ship had been
used 
by the British military during World War I. Ten of the bullets were brought
to 
the surface. 
"Further research needs to be conducted, but if the discovered ammunition
was 
found in an area where cargo was not known to be stored on board, it
strongly 
supports the argument that the Lusitania was functioning as more than a 
passenger liner," says Fionnbar Moore, senior archaeologist with the
Underwater 
Archaeology Unit of the Irish Department of Environment, which monitored
the 
dive. 
The bullets are in the hands of Irish authorities, who under maritime law
are 
now respons

Re: [Phono-L] Lusitania

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

That doesn't sound like the same book. I've been looking for it, and I
think it's in my big bedroom bookshelf. I have a cast on my RH foot, and
doing anything is hard work. 

Original Message:
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From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:16:27 -0500
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lusitania


This may have been the paperback in question: Seven days to disaster: 
The sinking of the Lusitania
Author: Des Hickey
Edition: first (1981)   All editions   Publisher: CollinsPaperback: 
336 pages
   Paperback
Paperback (first) , 1981
Paperback (first) , 1982
Paperback (first) , 1981
   Hardcover
Hardcover , 1988from $40.00
ISBN-13: 9780002168823   ISBN-10: 0002168820

On 09/21/2011 09:59 PM, cdh...@earthlink.net wrote:
> There was really not much mystery to the Lusitania sinking, if you find
> your information in the right places. I have a paperback book from
probably
> 35-40 years ago,which told the whole story. The ship was armed, with
> concealed gun mounts, and was carrying a lot of munitions in its hold. The
> German government published a full page ad in the New York papers, telling
> that the ship was a warship, nand that if it were sighted on the high
seas,
> it would be torpedoed, as a routine act of war. If any Americans set sail
> on the ship, they would do so at their own risk. I've seen this ad
> reproduced elsewhere since.  Reprints from the ship's manifest are shown
in
> this book, and show tons of munitions aboard.
>
> In addition, the captain had orders, after he sailed, tht brought him into
> the area where it was torpedoed.
>
> After the torpedo hit the ship, there were numerous secondary explosions
> from the ship. Guess why. The tale tells rthat the sub commander didn't
> realize the ship's identity until the torpedo was under way. He was said
> the remark "My God, That's the Lusitania!!".
> .
> Original Message:
> -
> From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:53:57 -0400
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Lusitania
>
>
>
> And just to add to thatElbert Hubbard was on his way to England,
> on
> the Lusitania,  to speak out against World War I, when it was sunk by the
> Germans..he didn't survive. Monday, August 08, 2011AN AMERICAN
> multi-millionaire has moved a step closer to  realising one of his life’s
> great ambitions — solving the enduring mystery of  the sinking of the
> Lusitania. Gregg Bemis, 83, who has owned the wreck since 1968, oversaw
> operations off  the south coast on Saturday as divers began cutting
through
> the hull of the  wreck.  It was 25 nautical miles south of the Old Head of
> Kinsale en route from New York  to Liverpool in May 1915 when it was hit
> under its bridge by a torpedo fired  from a German U-boat.
>
>The explosion triggered a mystery secondary  explosion which ripped the
> hull of the 790ft (241m) vessel apart.
>
>It  sank by the head in less than 18 minutes, killing 1,198 of the
1,959
> people on  board, including 39 children and dozens of Americans.
>
>The sinking  caused massive controversy because the vessel was carrying
> civilian passengers,  including eminent and wealthy politicians, artists,
> the art collector Hugh Lane,  academics and businessmen.
>
>
> Read more:
> http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfgbmhojidcw/rss2/#ixzz1YX2wRsEr
>
>
> http://www.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html The nearly
> century-old debate about whether the passenger liner
> Lusitania was transporting British war munitions when torpedoed by a
> German U-boat is over. Physical evidence of just such a cargo has been
> recovered
> from the wreck, which rests 12 miles off the Irish coast in 300 feet of
> murky,
> turbulent water.
> Bullets from the ship now confirm it was
> carrying military cargo. Lusitania was sunk off County Cork on May 7,
1915.
> The attack killed
> 1,198 people, including 128 Americans, and helped push the United States
> into
> World War I. Ever since the ship went down, there have been suspicions
that
> Lusitania was carrying live munitions. Under the rules of war, that would
> have made the liner a legitimate target, as the Germans maintained at the
> time.
>
> The British government has always been evasive about the presence of
> munitions on Lusitania. Two cargo manifests were submitted; the second,
> filed after the ship sailed, indicated there were light munitions on
board.
> Some
> believe the ship was carrying much more, however, and that the British
Navy
> attempted to destroy the wreck in the 1950s to conceal its military cargo.
> Now a team led by County Waterford-based

Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

I'm right along with Andy Baron. When I did a presentation for Phonovention
a few years ago, I worked around the real tear jerkers. I showed pix of
some of the sheet music that was published before and during the war, but
mainly because I didn't have the records, or didn't want to use them, I
avoided them. 

There was a silent film, made in 1925, titled "The Big Parade". I was able
to get it from Amazon, on VHS tape. It had some pretty good footage in it,
and I projectede pieces of it with the show. Good movie. 

More songs were written about WW I than about any other war before or
since. 

One aspect of "My Dream Of The Big Parade, was that Billy Murray was
totally out of his role in the recitation in the middle of the record. Even
today, I have to mop my eyes when I play the record. The Victor Master book
shows it as being recorded in 1926.  It was mighty good. 

The Jolson record about the PFC who was working his company commander over
is one of my favorites. I can appreciate it from both sides, because when I
was in the Army, I was a GI and Officer, both. I love the record!

Original Message:
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From:  bruce78...@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:22:55 + (UTC)
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective


all that WWI musical history talk, is going to inspire me to put on some
old stuff that I haven't Played in years such as "Would you rather be a
Colonel with an Eagle on his shoulder, or a Private with a chicken on his
Knee ?" or "Hunting the Hun" or "Let's Bury the Hatchet" (in the Kaiser's
Head). 

- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Baron"  
To: "Antique Phonograph List"  
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:58:27 PM 
Subject: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective 

I'm chiming in here on the WWI music comments, so changing the subject
line, but leaving the most recent prior emails copied below, from Melissa's
thread: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you! 

I too, find WWI music quirky and engaging, and at times very poignant,
earnest and introspective, in addition to the audacious, indomitable upbeat
numbers that are more often called to mind in the general public's
perception of that conflict's music. 

It all depends on the record. 

I think my first WWI era 78 came to me from a friend of my mother's, around
1976 when I was 14. It was a song full of pathos bordering on schmaltz,
recorded shortly after the war, called "Don't Steal Daddy's Medal"
(subtitled "The Burglar and the Child"): "With Tears down her cheeks the
little child cried, don't steal Daddy's medal - He won it for bravery - It
was found by his side before he died, and sent to my mother and me...". 

It's fascinating to track how sentimentality played such a changing role in
the WWI years leading up to and during America's involvement in the war,
and then how records like Don't Steal Daddy's Medal and others kept it in
the public awareness for years after. The newest WWI inspired record I'm
aware of is "My Dream of the Big Parade", recorded more than seven years
after the end of the war. 

In the early years when America was neutral, we had records like the
fabulous pairing on Victor 17716 of "I Didn't Raise My Boy to be a Soldier"
(from 1915), with its prophetic opening line "Ten million Soldiers to the
war must go who may never return again", paired with "Stay Down Here Where
You Belong". I think if I had to pick my favorite of a few dozen WWI
records in my collection, it would be this title. It's a biting
condemnation of war, with the construct of the Devil talking to his son who
wanted to go "Up Above..". It was composed by none other than Irving Berlin
(who later spent a lot of time and energy trying to keep it buried and
prevent public performance of it). An example of one great line from "Stay
Down Here Where You Belong" is "They're breaking the hearts of mothers,
making BUTCHERS out of brothers. You'll find more HELL up there than there
is down below". (My caps denoting emphasized, nearly shouted words in the
recording). The flip side of this reco 
rd, noted above and set to a militaristic beat, has the sung lyrics as
opposed to the more commonly found instrumental-only versions that were
stripped of their words as the war heated up for this country. 

On a very heartfelt note, are three of the most popular introspective
recordings of the period: There's a Long, Long Trail", "Keep the Home Fires
Burning" and "Till We Meet Again". All are beautiful ballads worth well
worth listening to, to get a flavor of this aspect of WWI popular music.
There were many others like them. 

Naturally, the zealous songs, with George M. Cohan's "Over There" most
representative of the genre, are what people usually call to mind: "Johnny
get your gun, get your gun get your gun, send them on the run, on the run,
on the run... Make your mother glad that she had such a lad... Tell your
Sweetheart not to pine, to be glad her boy's in line...". This song, along
with "Goodbye Broadway, Hello Fra

Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective

[cdh...@earthlink.net]

Yeah, I have the record. Much as I remember lyrics, I can't come up with
the reason the poor soul flopped. It's a real good recording with a lot of
good musicianship, too. Can't remember that, either. My Victor Master book
is in another room. 

It's an orthophonic, so there may be yet another one about the unfortunate
egg.

Original Message:
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From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:39:51 -0400
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective



Has anyone heard Humpty Dumpty on Victor?  We learn what made him fall.
 
Steve
 

  
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