[Phono-L] Record of THORA wanted
Does anyone have a 78 record of the song Thora available? John McCormack made an acoustic, Richard Crooks and Paul Robeson both recorded it much later, probably others. It's a rich and over-ripe sentimental song. Eric Stott ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Help- I broke a record I like
I'd like to replace a record I just broke. Brunswick 20062, 12 inch electric. Ben Bernie's Hotel Roosevelt Orchestra playing Old Man River and Soliloquy.It's very Whiteman-esque Eric Stott ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum
- Original Message - From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum I assume Len Spencer owned a theatre somewhere named the Lyceum, most likely in his hometown or wherever his home base was. I suspect it was a traveling act- I can easily see him traveling to theaters and halls doing talks and recitations. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] LEN SPENCER'S LYCEUM
The indication to Note Condition Carefully strongly suggests these were for use outside of the theater in the hands of strangers. I'm going to go out on a limb and propose that Spencer had packaged shows to be sent out on the Lyceum Circuit from hall to hall. The state of New York had sets of educational lantern slides that could be rented by cultural institutions, along with lecture scripts- these came in similar boxes (cardboard, with an outer wooden case) and had checklists to follow. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: michael funk f...@insightbb.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] LEN SPENCER'S LYCEUM Sorry for the slow load and the large images that first appear. Eventually the images will go into a viewable size. The address on the box is 46 East 14th Street. The address for the Lyceum is 149 W. 45th St. Could there have been 2 Lyceum's? One with Len Spencer (maybe an arcade or music parlor) and one with the Name acts. http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/DSC01197.JPG http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/DSC01193.JPG http://www.cash-on-the-barrelhead.com/DSC01194.JPG I bought the box about 10 years ago at an antique mall in the Midwest. Suellen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Last Con Edison Direct Current Customer Is History
- Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Last Con Edison Direct Current Customer Is History No need to get your backs arched, and claws drawn about Edison's shortcomings. He had them, like any other human being has. He was great, and the world recognizes his greatness. But he was a human being, and had soft spots, like all of us, but fewer than most of us. Who else in history ever rated a whole nation turning out lights for a minute in reverence at his passing? Edison was a VERY adept self-publicist, from the beginning. He carefully built himself up as an everyman who also happened to be a genius. He came across as someone you might find in your own family- intelligent but with enough flaws to be comfortable with (some rather coarse flaws, at least until Mina reconstructed him into the Grand Old Man). His rather ruthless business instincts weren't on display to the general public. The opposite might be Ford- the self made mechanic who comes off as a rather cold man. Even the seeming folksy nature of Greenfield Village has cold calculation behind it. If Edison and Ford had ever gone into direct competition there would have been fireworks. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] what's the deal with this record?
Vocallion did issue vertical cut recordings, so I think the seller is trying to connect that aspect to Edison. Otherwise, this is a test pressing- it looks just like some Columbia tests I've seen from around 1917 (Margaret Woodrow Wilson's- they're in the Wilson House in DC) in that they have plain labels and rather wide margins- on the Wilson discs the name of the artist and selection is inscribed the the wax around the edge. Presumably issued discs would lack this. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:30 AM Subject: [Phono-L] what's the deal with this record? Is this seller completely full of it or what? I've never heard of Vocalion having anything to do with Edison. My one Edison jobber disc from 1922 was a normal 10 that was one-sided, and my Edison test pressings (some with no label or paper base where the label would go) are also normal 10 pressings. This record does indeed look like it's 12 (I guess), and though the picture doesn't show thickness, its margins do look very DD. Does anyone know more details than the listing offers, and whether or not the seller's just filling in the gaps with fabricated info? Thanks, Robert ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Dual purpose victrola.
That is how it was made, although didn't the grille have a painted or wood grained finish when new? Eric Stott - Original Message - From: tom jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Dual purpose victrola. Check out this dual purpose Victrola. It plays music and doubles as a cold air return for your home's heating system :0) http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Victrola-VV-IV-Phonograph-w-Metal-Grill-1673_W0QQ itemZ170122607698QQihZ007QQcategoryZ38030QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison/Dalhart question
- Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison/Dalhart question So does anyone out there have a copy of this work? It would tell me what I need to know. I'm trying to collect every take of Baggage Coach by Dalhart that was released. Are you looking for only Edison material? Somewhere I have a Dalhart version on Sears, Roebuck's Challenger label, which might mean he recorded it for Columbia. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] Edison/Dalhart question
- Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison/Dalhart question I just caught my mistake as I was sending that! Darn it. I meant to say I'm trying to collect every take Dalhart did for Edison. I have Dalhart singing this song on Victor, Supertone, and ... something else... can't remember... 3 or 4 different standard 78 labels, and it seems the only times he sang the entire lyric were for the 4-minute Edison releases, as far as I can tell. It's a pretty lengthy song if taken at a reasonable tempo- I don't think you could fit all the verses on one 10 inch side, though I believe by omitting a chorus he comes close.
[Phono-L] Dalhart/Edison question
- Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Dalhart/Edison question Lot of sentimental value associated with this song for me, in its (I assume) Edison-exclusive longer version (all the non-Edison 78's I have of Dalhart singing this song leave out whole verses). In all fairness it's a very long song- I have two piano roll versions. The disconnect between the verse and the cheerful waltz melody is striking, although not unusual. Letter Edged in Black has a positively sprightly tune, as does The Death of Floyd Collins Stott
[Phono-L] Slipping belts
If you've got a cake of violin rosin handy a little bit scraped to a powder helps some. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Slipping belts The belt on which phonograph? Leather flat belt, light sanding with REAL sand paper. The sheet will say that it is FLINT paper. Still slips, then it is shot, throw it in the trash. On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:55:06 -0500, Ken Danckaert wrote: I thought it would be interesting to find out what people do for slipping belts since this is a fairly common problem. You can obviously tighten the belt but that will affect play if it gets too tight and doesn't always solve the problem. Some people put a coating on the back side of the belt to prevent slipping. Auto stores sell a stick to stop fan belts from slipping but it depends on heating by friction to apply it. What solutions do you use? Ken Danckaert ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] shipping swords
- Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [Phono-L] shipping swords Seems that the proper diameter PVC pipe would be the way to go with swords. I've had long sections of stainless steel vintage car side trim shipped this way and they arrive just fine every time. Andy Baron True- but when the sword you're shipping is worth at the very most $200.00 and very possibly less just the cost of the pipe would be a factor. Stott
[Phono-L] Not a Fan of PayPal
- Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com I know people who do nothing but go to auctions on Saturday and then list the finds on eBay Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. My favorites are people who list, say, a Civil War Battle Flag and say I've contacted the so-and-so historical society about this but have not heard back from them yet.Yeah- you've got a priceless relic, and can't do some firm research.Goes along with the people who say that I've got a very unique recording of Hawaiian Guitar music on an edison disc that must be very rare as I haven't found another one for sale on Ebay for the last month. Stott
[Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Bearings
- Original Message - From: mark lynch markely...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Bearings For all of us who have dealt with rebuilding Orthophonic soundboxes it looks like Victor had another idea rather than the 1/16 balls to support the stylus bar. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT1796149id=XldNEBAJpg=PP1dq=victor+talking+machine+1931#PPP1,M1 Like many patented ideas it looks like this one was never put into production. Maybe with today's new elastic materials the idea would work better that loose-steel-balls (and Desi Arnaz) and be a welcome relief to today's repairman. Anyone want to tackle this one? Can someone please put the principles of the above patent into plain english? Eric Stott
[Phono-L] Yahoo's Electrola group
- Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Yahoo's Electrola group I've been registered in the Yahoo Electrola group for a couple of years now, and in general it's been pretty quiet. There have been some good posts on it, but certainly nothing like the Old Time Victrola group or this one. Here of late, it's been as lively as a cemetery. I'll admit that I often ignore it, but there's a reason for me. The Yahoo groups have an obstacle as soon as you try to log on: WHY AM I BEING ASKED FOR MY PASSWORD?. As far as I can see, it's just an obnoxious and unnecessary obstacle to put up with, and if there are many like myself. they just don't want to bother with it. This site has no such obstacle, nor has old time Victrola, and all goes just fine. I wonder if the owners of the site could dump yahoo, and get onto a server like this one or like Old Time Victrola. Seems like there should be room for later phono stuff, but why put up with needless roadblocks? Any thoughts out there? I ceased using the Old Time Victrola Board because (due to it's lack of any administration) it was frequently full of obnoxious jackasses who would post offensive material and run. Also. I like getting the latest posts in my mailbox, I'm not aware if the OTV does that. I have no problem with a password. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] P.S. Wikipedia sucks.
- Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] P.S. Wikipedia sucks. You're a Mason, Eric? So am I! And I am looking for a copy of Columbia 2 minute wax song 'Brother Masons'. I don't know the record number but I will try to find out what it is. John Robles I haven't heard of that one, although I do have Nat M. Wills Elks Song Eric Stott Masters Lodge #5 FAM Ancient Temple Chapter #5 Albany NY
[Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's?
- Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's? Single sides were the early records that most companies made. After all, why give the customer a double measure for his money? Then, in the early 1900s, some rat-fik began making records with recordings on both sides. It wasn't long before the major companies had to go along with the two-sided thing. Later, many of the old single siders were re-pressed as two siders, so I understand. Many were also re-recorded in the electrical era on 2 sides. The blank sides often had labels giving patent and use restrictions, later Victor used the back of it's classical and opera records for a commentary label giving some history and sometimes a translation of foreign lyrics. Victor also pressed an ornamental design into the backside of some issues- very attractive but not especially rare. Victor (and other labels) didn't so much go for different religons as for different ethnic markets. Cantorial records were quite popular- they could attain the popularity of minor opera stars. Columbia did have a special label for Cantor records with an picture of one. They used a color coded label system- Green for ethnic popular records, Orange for ethnic religous records, probably with additional colors variations. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] Censorship'Thanks'Now to an Edison BOOK
I looked up the book on Bookfinder.com and first editions are offered for $55 to $65.It has also been reprinted in the relatively recent past which could indicate some demand for it, but reprints tend to bring the price down as casual readers are satisfied with a new copy leaving only dedicated collectors to seek out an original. If it has Edison material and pictures that can not be easily found anuplace else, then it would be interesting, otherwise as a piece of local history it's best market would be in New Jersey. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: phonost...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Censorship'Thanks'Now to an Edison BOOK Hi ALL, Now I have a question about a book; Boyhood Days In Old Metuchen by Dr. Trumbull Marshall, c 1929. Handwritten inked note at beginning of the book reads: To My Son Marshall with love from the author. David T. Marshall. June 1929. I emailed Metuchen Historical Society in New Jersey,and they said they had several of these books in their historical collection. What got my interest is that Thomas Edison is mentioned , with pictures, several times in this book. Page 64 shows bw photo of author in the Edison laboratory at Orange N. J. in 1889.Next page shows bw photos of Edison's lab in Menlo Park in 1890. Below this is another photo of Passenger car of the original Edison Electric Railway, 1880. Than used as a chicken coop in 1911. There are more black and white photos concerning Edison in this book, also photos of the author's life. Question for members; Is this book a common Edison book, for I want to sell. Does Phono-L accept 'for sale' emails or should we stick to sharing phonographic info? Thanks,,, Joan ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Censorship'Thanks'Now to an Edison BOOK
Glad to help. It IS nice to have a signed copy, but with publications like this (Probably a Vanity Press edition paid for by the writer) sometimes it is difficult to NOT find a signed copy. I work for a museum we were given a box full of the WWI reminisences of a minor officer. Each book was in it's own cardboard box, unread, unopened, EXCEPT that Gen. Franklin W. Ward had signed the flyleaf of each one. He'd presented the whole box full to the NY National Guard. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: phonost...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Censorship'Thanks'Now to an Edison BOOK Eric, Thank you so much for your information, very much appreciated you taking your time. I guess what got me is that this Edison info book was personally signed by the author, to his son. Every collector may have something very special and not much known about 'it'. All it takes is not being afraid to ask. :) Joan p.s., thanks also for bookfinder.com website!
[Phono-L] Risk of auto ignition on cylinders?
I think the composition of the cylinders was a bit diferent from nitrate film base- it needed to be rigid rather than flexible for one thing. Also film base wasn't intended to be a very long lasting product. I've heard of some early celuloid records shrinking badly but most survive with little or no chemical deterioration. The main cause of breakage is if the core swells. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Norman Bruderhofer phonol...@cylinder.de To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Risk of auto ignition on cylinders? Just something that's been bothering my mind for several years: We all know about the high risk of auto ignition with early celluloid films. Does anyone know if there is a certain risk with celluloid cylinders (blue / purple amberols, indestructibles, lamberts, liorets ..)? So far, I have never heard of any incident with cylinders. Referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_base the nitrate compound was the major problem. I am not really into chemistry and would be happy if anyone with further knowledge could post some statements about this as I would like to know it for sure. Regards, Norman ]] Before anything else, preparation is the key to success. -Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922) [[ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] phonograph cabinets
- Original Message - From: tom jordan tom...@msn.com To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: [Phono-L] phonograph cabinets Hello all. Can anyone tell me what the most widely used base material woods that were used by Edison and Victor for their cabinets that the veneer was applied to? Tom I've seen a lot of base wood that appears to be poplar. Exposed wood stained to look like mahogany is often birch. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] phonograph cabinets
- Original Message - From: Doug cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonograph cabinets . On Victor, the cabinet corners are solid mahogany or whatever decorative woods were elsewhere on the cabinet. They carved those pieces, so they had to be solids. That would be true for the more expensive models, but I've had a VVX where the legs, and some of the interior were birch stained to match- it was a common practice in the industry and can look very convincing. I've also seen some cabinets from other makers with gumwood panels- if the grain is well chosen it can look pretty damm good. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420
One thing about the case screams Talented Amature instead of professional workshop- the fact that you've got to leave the whole bottom door open to hear anything out of the horn. I wonder if this might have had an open horn machine in it once, and the owner added the horn and the lid. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Dan Kj- ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420 There's a very big difference between a 'frankenphone' and a custom made case; Victor routinely sold mechanisms to furniture makers, and products such as this one are desirable. Maybe not $1000++ desirable, but a lot more interesting than yet another standard Victrola off the assembly line :)
[Phono-L] Concert cylinders
As I understand it, the greater diameter meant that the sound waves were less compressed or squeezed on the record surface giving (under the right conditions) clearer reproduction- its the same effect that makes the outside grooves of a lateral disc record sound better than the inner grooves The increased diameter also means that the surface passes under the stylus faster, so the diaphragm is vibratred with more force and the sound is louder. Play any cylinder or acoustic disc at a faster speed and it will sound louder and sharper. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Concert cylinders Can anyone explain in simple terms what the advantage of the large concert size cylinders was? Next time I set up at the Edison Depot Museum I want to take my Columbia AB and I am sure someone is bound to ask for an explanation the the large size. Dave Dazer ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Idelia SOLD
Taft made a better Supreme Court Justice than he did a President. - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Idelia SOLD that was Harding! altho Taft was no prize, either. On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:14 PM, cranke...@comcast.net wrote: Jeeze, I hope it wasn't part of Teapot Dome Scandal. Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Taft's Idelia
Might have some connection to Taft's having recorded some cylinders for Edison. How many more presidential phonographs are out there- Wilson's Victrola is still in his DC home. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Taft's Idelia the selfsame cylinders he received as a BRIBE? no, i'm kidding...really. i'm kidding!
[Phono-L] Vitaphone on eBay
The proce is pretty hign now, but its still a pretty cool machine. If the case and the vitaphone mechanism are still OK the motor should be of less importance- probably bought their motors from an outside supplier in the first place. Looks like it might be a fairly old replacement. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Dan Kjeldgaard ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone on eBay I did NOT examine the pictures carefully, so I'm grateful to the seller for pointing out (after a few days) that the motor has been replaced. I should have noticed the patched hole on the side of the cabinet, but in my excitement... Happily, I've been outbid by several people.I may be wrong, but something like this makes a machine just parts, to me . - Original Message - From: rvu...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Vitaphone on eBay Anyone see the Vitaphone on eBay? It's item # 6606573195. These machines are fairly unusual with the wood tone arm and suspended diaphragm. They don't come around very often. I've never seen one with the horn in the lid before. With an opening bid of only $400 and no reserve I'm curious as to what the list thinks it's worth. Any guesses as to where it will end up? RMV ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] You Guys Must Camp Online
73 and 55% humidity here in Albany- this is about the best its been this summer- and summer is almost over. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] You Guys Must Camp Online 74 and 34% humidity in Buffalo! Oh wait, that IS Western NY :)
[Phono-L] The Elusive Edison Victrola
Could be anything from an Opera to an Ediphone. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: [Phono-L] The Elusive Edison Victrola Hi All I got a call from a local antique store, someone needs their 'Edison Victrola' spruced up because they have a buyer for it. I called the owner, who sounds like she is about sixty-something, and she told me she inherited it from her dad. I expected it to be a Diamond Disc machine, but it is a cylinder player. I haven't seen it yet, but the fact that she already has a buyer and that it is going to pass through my hands before it goes to its new home makes me think it will be something really choice like an Idelia, and that she will have sold it to the other party for like $250 or something and I will have no chance to rescue it! It comes with several cylinders too, the ming fairly boggles at what could be there, when a machine passes from its original family...Oh, but the one drawback is that she says she doesn't have any needles for it john Robles ___
[Phono-L] Proof that Edison had his doubts whether the cylinderrecord fad would last very long!
Actually, this is the nicest conversion I've ever seen. If you've got to scrap a DD mechanism, this is the way to do it. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Robert Plavzic plav...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Proof that Edison had his doubts whether the cylinderrecord fad would last very long! http://cgi.ebay.com/EDISON-1905-SOLID-TIGER-OAK-PHONOGRAPH-32-REELS_W0QQitemZ170018385216QQihZ007QQcategoryZ38029QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Glass record
- Original Message - From: Walt Sommers bosomm...@adelphia.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Glass record Imagine mastering and producing a glass record in 1940Exactly what would have been added to glass in order to maintain its strength when it is formed into grooves with sub-micron surfaces? This would shave a record duster down to the leather in a wink! What on earth would you use (short of a laser) as a stylus? I say soak it in a 50/50 mixture of denatured alcohol and acetone and then scrap the aluminum core for money (maybe 80 cents worth if you can get all the dissolved goo off). Sorry if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you might not be aware that recording and transcription discs were made on glass cores during the war, to save on aluminium. Given an acetate coating the glass blanks functioned just as well as the metal cored ones but they were heavier, thicker, and of course they broke. Now, in reality the government had plenty of aluminum in stock, but attention to scrimping and saving was good for morale and kept people's minds occupied. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] Glass record
- Original Message - From: aph4...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Glass record I agree with you, Eric. Glass records were indeed produced during WWII and were coated. I didn't know that the coating was acetate. I thought it might be shellac. Might be right, I haven't looked too thoroughly into the matter, but I'm absolutely certain that someone out there will correct me. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] Crescent Phonograph Info
If your friend REALLY likes the machine, have him buy the letter with the company letterhead and illustrated envelope- a very nice Go-Along indeed. These off brand machines are mostly very similar, in fact many of them use the same parts from the same suppliers. The cabinet is usually the selling point- if it's attractive, has nice proportions and good wood grain, then it's an attractive item to have. To look at I'd rather have, for example, a Silvertone in perfect shape that a beat-up Victrola. (Sound quality is another matter entirely) Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Crescent Phonograph Info for the ads http://tinyurl.com/y3z98h From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Crescent Phonograph Info Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:15:41 -0500 If I am not mistaken, this company also put out an etched type record (unless there were two Crescent Talking machine Cos) which because of a mfg. error by the maker could be played on either on lateral or vertical reproducers. I have one of their records which is in fact very odd. I will try to track it down and scan it for you if you like. The story of the Company was on this list quite a while back so it may be in the archives. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jeff Walton jfwal...@usa.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Crescent Phonograph Info Greetings: A coworker approached me because he knew I was a phonograph nut. He stumped me on the Crescent Phonograph cause I deal mostly with Edisons. I was wonder if the group could give me some history about the company. The phono he has is a Crescent Phonograph. Its a stand up model with a locking lid. The only markings to find on the machine is RD 1050. Any ideas about this machine and possible worth? It seems to be is great condition. Everything is original even the key. I think the front fabric is the only thing replaced. He is not looking to sell, just wants info on his family heirloom. Thanks Jeff ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] uh, wow...
I just turned down the speed on mine, and it seemed to run preety smoothly. - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] uh, wow... I played 45's on victrolas as a kid, too, but this phonograph is running at exactly 45rpm (a quick comparison to a modern cd issue of Love Me Tender will show this). That's the part I was bewildered by. Was there ever any kind of mod available (as horrible an idea as it would've been) that made wind-up phonographs play at 45rpm? Man I hope not, but I could certainly see some company 'inventing' a conversion kit with claims of identical fidelity to electric etc., etc., and taking the money and running. - Original Message - From: estott est...@localnet.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] uh, wow... Playing a 45 on a victorola isn't that hard, it helps that they often presed them in a very hard plastic. The greatest chance for the needle to rip out the groove is at the beginning- if you can get past that point the needle seems to ride pretty well, I recall that I had to do a lot of experimenting with needle grades. Now, if you're all agast, I was doing this back in grade school. As a kid I even played 33's with a counterweight systen on the soundbox. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: [Phono-L] uh, wow... Can someone tell me how this can be possible? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twgw-MReQaI Judging by the sound changing as the camcorder gets closer to and farther from the horn, and the amateurish vibe of the clip, it doesn't seem to be any kind of hoax. (Also notice the shredding of the poor record when he gets close enough to see it.) ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Spike Jones - Der Fuhrer's Face
It is Jones, but the version in the film is very Straight lacking the crazy sound effects and manic orchestration in the popular release. From what I've heard Jones recorded two versions- one was in the cartoon, the other was the record release. One bog difference is that in the cartoon there's a trombone note after each HEIL- in the record it's a rubber razzer. There's an aircheck from a live broadcast circulating where on the last blow the razzer fails- reportedly the rubber split. Stott - Original Message - From: Ken Danckaert k...@lemur.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Spike Jones - Der Fuhrer's Face This seems a good day to ask if it was Spike Jones that provided the audio ofr this Disney film clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOmHPx8ujko I don't have the record to compare the two. Does someone else?
[Phono-L] Rare Columbia??
I'd say that just about any Grafonola above the lower end ones is somewhat rare. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? How common is the Columbia record ejector with the two rows of buttons at the top, that resemble typewriter keys (nickeled ring with window showing number)? In this case, mounted in a fairly conventional oak Grafonola. My impression has been that it isn't all that rare, but with Bruce's comment I began to wonder, and with Peter's, I began to realize that there must have been a couple different versions; one with the double row of buttons which I must assume was a later style, and the other with the sliding indexer, which must be earlier since the Grafonola being auctioned appears to predate the tone louvres. Wish the seller would show some photos under the lid and inside all doors. Any insight into the relative rarity of the record ejection system, particularly the double row of buttons version would be greatly appreciated. Best, Andy On Dec 18, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: The record ejector is indeed a nifty gadget. I have a pooley record cabinet which has a similar feature. There's a vertical slider which moves horizontally, indexed by a notched metal rail. You stop in front of the slot where the desired record resides, then depress a button, and a finger behind the disc edges it out through a felt-lined slot in the slider. Two rows, one each for 10 and 12. Come to think of it, i have one in oak, and one in mahogany which is stored because it needs restoration. it could be available for a nice price if any of you is interested. and OMG, here's the patent: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4108511.html http://www.google.com/patents? vid=USPAT4108511id=n-40EBAJdq=4108511 -- peter On Dec 18, 2006, at 5:01 AM, bruce78rpm wrote: That is an extremely desirable unit since it has the very unique record ejection system that I have only seen one other time in the home of an elderly collector who lived down in Plymouth, Mass. Certainly an extremely nice Columbia to add to a collection. I am uncertain of the rarity. Bruce - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Columbia?? Is it just me, or does this look to be a rare Grafonola?? http://cgi.ebay.com/Floor-standing-Columbia-Grafanola- victrola_W0QQitemZ140065055537QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQrdZ1QQcmdZVi ewItem John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
