Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[Richard]

An update on the Grand:  I didn't end up getting it; the price was too high, 
and I was a put off by the fact that the record filing system was completely 
gone.  It was strange, actually -- there were no vertical wooden slats in the 
storage compartment, just two horizontal shelves.  I couldn't figure how it 
could have accommodated the folders.  The tone arm was metal (gold-plated), and 
the cabinet was oak; in doing research, I found lots of photos online of the 
Grand in oak, but none in mahogany.  Has anyone ever seen one?  And did Sonora 
make tone arms in oak, too, or was metal the only option if you got an oak 
cabinet?  

> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:56:11 +
> From: bruce78...@comcast.net
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?
> 
> The wood tone arms occasionally show up for sale on ebay. But the hardest 
> part of that to find is a the wooden base. I spotted one on line a few years 
> ago, and inquired of the seller if he happened to have the base as well. He 
> did. So I converted the metal tone are Elite to one with a wooden Town arm, 
> with the two reproducers (for vertical and lateral records). 
> 
> Bruce 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Stan Stanford"  
> To: "Antique Phonograph List"  
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:04:26 AM 
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? 
> 
> The Elite is the 5th model down with the Supreme being No. 1. As Bob 
> said, wooden tone arms could be on several of the top models including 
> yours, but all except the Supreme, could have metal tone arms. I have a 
> Supreme and it came with 2 wooden tone arms with different reproducers: one 
> for lateral and the other for vertical cut records. Yes, the complete tone 
> arm on my Supreme is easily removable. 
> 
> Stan 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
> Behalf Of Richard 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:40 PM 
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? 
> 
> Thanks, Stan. I have a mahogany Sonora Elite, with a wooden tone arm. 
> Would that model have been a level (or two) below this one, then? 
> 
> > From: s...@clarphon.com 
> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
> > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:48:24 -0700 
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? 
> > 
> > I think this is the Grand..at least the grill looks like the 
> > grill on the Grand from a Catalogue that I have. So it's the third one 
> > down after the Supreme and Invincible. Stan Stanford 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org 
> > [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Richard 
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:29 PM 
> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
> > Subject: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? 
> > 
> > Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks 
> > to be one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had 
> > trouble identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end 
> > machine, should I be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? 
> > (Do those wooden tone arms really sound better, for that matter?) And 
> > am I the only one who's never seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to 
> > me every one I've ever seen has been mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if 
> > anyone has one of these and would like to share photos of it, I'd 
> > appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's supposed to look 
> like with the doors open. 
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Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[bruce78rpm]

The wood tone arms occasionally show up for sale on ebay. But the hardest part 
of that to find is a the wooden base. I spotted one on line a few years ago, 
and inquired of the seller if he happened to have the base as well. He did. So 
I converted the metal tone are Elite to one with a wooden Town arm, with the 
two reproducers (for vertical and lateral records). 

Bruce 

- Original Message -

From: "Stan Stanford"  
To: "Antique Phonograph List"  
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:04:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? 

The Elite is the 5th model down with the Supreme being No. 1. As Bob 
said, wooden tone arms could be on several of the top models including 
yours, but all except the Supreme, could have metal tone arms. I have a 
Supreme and it came with 2 wooden tone arms with different reproducers: one 
for lateral and the other for vertical cut records. Yes, the complete tone 
arm on my Supreme is easily removable. 

Stan 



-Original Message- 
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of Richard 
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:40 PM 
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? 

Thanks, Stan. I have a mahogany Sonora Elite, with a wooden tone arm. 
Would that model have been a level (or two) below this one, then? 

> From: s...@clarphon.com 
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:48:24 -0700 
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? 
> 
> I think this is the Grand..at least the grill looks like the 
> grill on the Grand from a Catalogue that I have. So it's the third one 
> down after the Supreme and Invincible. Stan Stanford 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org 
> [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:29 PM 
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
> Subject: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? 
> 
> Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks 
> to be one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had 
> trouble identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end 
> machine, should I be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? 
> (Do those wooden tone arms really sound better, for that matter?) And 
> am I the only one who's never seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to 
> me every one I've ever seen has been mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if 
> anyone has one of these and would like to share photos of it, I'd 
> appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's supposed to look 
like with the doors open. 
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Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[Stan Stanford]

The Elite is the 5th model down with the Supreme being No. 1.As Bob
said, wooden tone arms could be on several of the top models including
yours, but all except the Supreme, could have metal tone arms.   I have a
Supreme and it came with 2 wooden tone arms with different reproducers:  one
for lateral and the other for vertical cut records.   Yes, the complete tone
arm on my Supreme is easily removable.   

Stan



-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:40 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

Thanks, Stan.  I have a mahogany Sonora Elite, with a wooden tone arm.
Would that model have been a level (or two) below this one, then?

> From: s...@clarphon.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:48:24 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?
> 
> I think this is the Grand..at least the grill looks like the
> grill on the Grand from a Catalogue that I have.   So it's the third one
> down after the Supreme and Invincible.  Stan Stanford
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org 
> [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Richard
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:29 PM
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?
> 
> Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks 
> to be one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had 
> trouble identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end 
> machine, should I be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? 
> (Do those wooden tone arms really sound better, for that matter?) And 
> am I the only one who's never seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to 
> me every one I've ever seen has been mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if 
> anyone has one of these and would like to share photos of it, I'd 
> appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's supposed to look
like with the doors open.
> 
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Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[robert coon]

This is a Sonora Grand (third from top of the line --- first the Supreme,
followed by the Invincible, then the Grand).  No, you should not be
surprised by the metal tonearm.   All Supremes do have wooden tonearms as
far as I know, but not all Grands or Invincibles have them --- some had
metal tonearms.   Examples of high-end Sonoras in oak are harder to come by
than the more common mahogany ones.   I have never seen an oak Sonora with
an oak tonearm, although they were supposedly available according to Sonora
machine catalogs.   I have asked some of the biggest collectors/dealers in
the country about the existence of oak Sonora tonearms --- none have ever
actually seen an oak Sonora tonearm.  I can send more pics of machines if
needed.

Regards,
Bob


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Richard  wrote:

> Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to
> be one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble
> identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should
> I be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden
> tone arms really sound better, for that matter?) And am I the only one
> who's never seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever
> seen has been mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and
> would like to share photos of it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious
> about what it's supposed to look like with the doors open.
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Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[Peter Fraser]

It's a Grand. They cost $250 in golden, fumed, early english, or mission oak, 
brown mahogany, or mahogany. 24"w x 51"h x 24"d. 

It's the lesser of the top three. The others were the Invincible I ($375) and 
II ($500, because it had the wood tonearm added) and the Supreme - a fugly 
monster which was $1000, including a matching record cabinet.

Bombe cabinet models below it were the Elite and the Baby Grand. 

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

> On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Richard  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to be 
> one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble 
> identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should I 
> be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden tone 
> arms really sound better, for that matter?) And am I the only one who's never 
> seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever seen has been 
> mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and would like to share 
> photos of it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's 
> supposed to look like with the doors open.
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Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[bruce78rpm]

Just for the heck of it, pull out the bottom draw flip it over and look on the 
bottom. sometimes you will see the Model of the Machine stamped on the bottom, 
Mine is stamped Elite. Good Luck. 

Bruce 

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From: "harvey kravitz"  
To: "Antique Phonograph List"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:37:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? 

I have that same machine in oak. I don't have my catalog handy, but I think 
it's an Elite, the fourth one down from the Invincible(the highest). My 
fittings are nickel plated. I can't tell by yours if the hardware is nickel or 
gold. Sonora Bombe style machines are scarce in Oak. There is a picture of one 
on the cover of Discovering Antique Phonographs by Tim Fabrizio and George 
Paul. 
Harvey Kravitz 





On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:16 PM, Richard  
wrote: 

Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to be one 
of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble identifying 
particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should I be surprised 
that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden tone arms really sound 
better, for that matter?) And am I the only one who's never seen a Sonora in 
oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever seen has been mahogany. 
Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and would like to share photos of 
it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's supposed to look 
like with the doors open. 
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Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[Richard]

The ones on this one look to be gold-plated.  I wonder why oak is so uncommon 
on these machines -- was it just out of style at that point?  I assume these 
are all post-WWI machines.

> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:37:03 -0700
> From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?
> 
> I have that same machine in oak. I don't have my catalog handy, but I think 
> it's an Elite, the fourth one down from the Invincible(the highest). My 
> fittings are nickel plated. I can't tell by yours if the hardware is  nickel 
> or gold. Sonora Bombe style machines are scarce in Oak. There is a picture of 
> one on the cover of Discovering Antique Phonographs by Tim Fabrizio and 
> George Paul.
> Harvey Kravitz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:16 PM, Richard  
> wrote:
>  
> Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to be 
> one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble 
> identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should I 
> be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden tone 
> arms really sound better, for that matter?) And am I the only one who's never 
> seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever seen has been 
> mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and would like to share 
> photos of it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's 
> supposed to look like with the doors open. 
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Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[Richard]

Thanks, Stan.  I have a mahogany Sonora Elite, with a wooden tone arm.  Would 
that model have been a level (or two) below this one, then?

> From: s...@clarphon.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:48:24 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?
> 
> I think this is the Grand..at least the grill looks like the
> grill on the Grand from a Catalogue that I have.   So it's the third one
> down after the Supreme and Invincible.  Stan Stanford
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of Richard
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:29 PM
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?
> 
> Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to be
> one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble
> identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should
> I be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden tone
> arms really sound better, for that matter?) And am I the only one who's
> never seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever seen
> has been mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and would
> like to share photos of it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious about
> what it's supposed to look like with the doors open.
> 
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Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[Stan Stanford]

I think this is the Grand..at least the grill looks like the
grill on the Grand from a Catalogue that I have.   So it's the third one
down after the Supreme and Invincible.  Stan Stanford

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:29 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to be
one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble
identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should
I be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden tone
arms really sound better, for that matter?) And am I the only one who's
never seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever seen
has been mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and would
like to share photos of it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious about
what it's supposed to look like with the doors open.

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Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[harvey kravitz]

I have that same machine in oak. I don't have my catalog handy, but I think 
it's an Elite, the fourth one down from the Invincible(the highest). My 
fittings are nickel plated. I can't tell by yours if the hardware is  nickel or 
gold. Sonora Bombe style machines are scarce in Oak. There is a picture of one 
on the cover of Discovering Antique Phonographs by Tim Fabrizio and George Paul.
Harvey Kravitz





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Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to be one 
of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble identifying 
particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should I be surprised 
that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden tone arms really sound 
better, for that matter?) And am I the only one who's never seen a Sonora in 
oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever seen has been mahogany. 
Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and would like to share photos of 
it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's supposed to look 
like with the doors open.                             
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[Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?

[Richard]

Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to be one 
of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble identifying 
particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should I be surprised 
that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden tone arms really sound 
better, for that matter?) And am I the only one who's never seen a Sonora in 
oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever seen has been mahogany. 
Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and would like to share photos of 
it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's supposed to look 
like with the doors open. 
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