[Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Hello fellow phono enthusiasts. I have been reading the exchange on the ebay seller known as ANTIQUE EDISON. His name is John Marinacci. I had the misfortune of purchasing a Victor VI from him off of Ebay about 2 years ago. For those of you who would like brave the following email exchange between Mr Marinacci and me, I am sure you will find it most enlightening... INITIAL EMAIL: Hi John:I received the Victor VI today. Thank you for the secure packaging. It arrived safely. However, I am concerned about the overall condition of the machine . If you remember, I asked you specifically if the horn had been patched and you said no. Unfortunately, there are at least 5 areas on the horn that have been patched and are easily noticeable. Also, the finish is splotchy and uneven.Secondly, the machine itself has several glaring problems. You had indicated that all of the gold hardware had been replated. In fact, everything but the elbow, crank and the corner posts are just polished brass. The additional gold plating required will be very expensive. Secondly, there is a 9 crack on the crank hole side of the case which has obviously been there since before it was refinished. Also, the finish is very dark and muddy. The backside of the machine actually has bubbled up veneer and will have to be removed and reglued.Long story short, this machine is a far cry from the one described in your auction as show condition.I would appreciate it if you would contact me regarding the machine as soon as possible. Thank you,Don Henry RESPONSE:Hi DonSorry you are not pleased with it I bought it off the Internet about a yr.ago and that is how it was described. even more in a plus description. I know as I stated that you can always look for things I did as well but I did think it was well Good enough to keep for resale laterI have been in many auctions to see a number of these and as I stated to me it look like a keeper. If you want you may return it. Sorry I wish I could wheel and deal with you on it but I paid $100.00 less than you did. All I can say is that the price that was paid in my opinion was fair it is by far not a piece of junk.HERE IS THE REST OF THE SAGA… DH: I never said the machine was a piece of junk. It is simply not the machine I thought I was buying based on your description and the answers to that you provided to my specific and detailed questions. So, yes, I would like to return it. Thank you. I will pay return shipping. I assume you will refund the full price of $5350? Thank you.JM: Let me say that If you read my Return policy there is a 15% restocking fee also there is noway anyone will return $ 100.00 Shipping handling:the description of this was as honest as one could be.you look at it as it was not restored or replated I look at it as it was.you are always allowed to disagree and I do refund policy because of this. thank you DH: As much as I would love for you make $750 on a misrepresented machine, I feel that the machine is in NO WAY what you described. SHOW CONDITION would generally imply that the case did not have a 9 CRACK in it and that the horn was not PUTTIED up with INFERIOR PATCHES. I was trying to be nice but the truth is you TOTALLY MISREPRESENTED THE CONDITION OF THE MACHINE to an extent that is tantamount to fraud.Also, you managed to leave your original invoice inside the machine which indicated you bought it for $4850... not the $100 less that you told me, which further establishes your willingness to not tell the truth.I will make a case with EBAY and pursue all outlets to make sure that this situation is remedied. I cannot believe that you are willing to sit here and deny what you explicitly stated in your description, which by the way was copied from the previous seller with a few convenient omissions.I really hate the fact that you are trying to double talk your way out of this. That upsets me even more than the fact that the machine is not nearly what you made it out to be.JM: I thought you bought it for $ 5,000.00 also there was no crack in the machine when I sent it to you. there was no tantamount to fraud.at allin my description if you read it does not state it was mint original and on a scale from 1-10 its an 11.it is however super condition regardless of the few bumps .that shows it is original not repro.you wanted a mint new condition Victor 6 that sells for $ 8500.00 for $ 5000 ,I told you the best I could what you would get for your money.I described it the way I saw it. people that buy my machines see that my description is right on the money I think you got a great machine for the money that you paid.DH: The crack is obviously an old one as it has been REFINISHED OVER, but there is no use arguing the point with you. I never expected a MINT machine. I expected the machine to be as you described... which it is NOT. I requested more pictures... which you did not send... so I took YOUR WORD on the SPECIFIC QUESTIONS
Re: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/Frankenreproducer alert
Arrgh!!! Sounds like the basis for a reality show! That is a similar dealing to one I had with him years ago. One bad deal with a nasty guy like that totally brands him forever with me. John -Original Message- From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:49:07 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Hello fellow phono enthusiasts. I have been reading the exchange on the ebay seller known as ANTIQUE EDISON. His name is John Marinacci. I had the misfortune of purchasing a Victor VI from him off of Ebay about 2 years ago. For those of you who would like brave the following email exchange between Mr Marinacci and me, I am sure you will find it most enlightening... INITIAL EMAIL: Hi John:I received the Victor VI today. Thank you for the secure packaging. It arrived safely. However, I am concerned about the overall condition of the machine . If you remember, I asked you specifically if the horn had been patched and you said no. Unfortunately, there are at least 5 areas on the horn that have been patched and are easily noticeable. Also, the finish is splotchy and uneven.Secondly, the machine itself has several glaring problems. You had indicated that all of the gold hardware had been replated. In fact, everything but the elbow, crank and the corner posts are just polished brass. The additional gold plating required will be very expensive. Secondly, there is a 9 crack on the crank hole side of the case which has obviously been there since before it was refinished. Also, the finish is very dark and muddy. The backside of the machine actually has bubbled up veneer and will have to be removed and reglued.Long story short, this machine is a far cry from the one described in your auction as show condition.I would appreciate it if you would contact me regarding the machine as soon as possible. Thank you,Don Henry RESPONSE:Hi DonSorry you are not pleased with it I bought it off the Internet about a yr.ago and that is how it was described. even more in a plus description. I know as I stated that you can always look for things I did as well but I did think it was well Good enough to keep for resale laterI have been in many auctions to see a number of these and as I stated to me it look like a keeper. If you want you may return it. Sorry I wish I could wheel and deal with you on it but I paid $100.00 less than you did. All I can say is that the price that was paid in my opinion was fair it is by far not a piece of junk.HERE IS THE REST OF THE SAGA… DH: I never said the machine was a piece of junk. It is simply not the machine I thought I was buying based on your description and the answers to that you provided to my specific and detailed questions. So, yes, I would like to return it. Thank you. I will pay return shipping. I assume you will refund the full price of $5350? Thank you.JM: Let me say that If you read my Return policy there is a 15% restocking fee also there is noway anyone will return $ 100.00 Shipping handling:the description of this was as honest as one could be.you look at it as it was not restored or replated I look at it as it was.you are always allowed to disagree and I do refund policy because of this. thank you DH: As much as I would love for you make $750 on a misrepresented machine, I feel that the machine is in NO WAY what you described. SHOW CONDITION would generally imply that the case did not have a 9 CRACK in it and that the horn was not PUTTIED up with INFERIOR PATCHES. I was trying to be nice but the truth is you TOTALLY MISREPRESENTED THE CONDITION OF THE MACHINE to an extent that is tantamount to fraud.Also, you managed to leave your original invoice inside the machine which indicated you bought it for $4850... not the $100 less that you told me, which further establishes your willingness to not tell the truth.I will make a case with EBAY and pursue all outlets to make sure that this situation is remedied. I cannot believe that you are willing to sit here and deny what you explicitly stated in your description, which by the way was copied from the previous seller with a few convenient omissions.I really hate the fact that you are trying to double talk your way out of this. That upsets me even more than the fact that the machine is not nearly what you made it out to be.JM: I thought you bought it for $ 5,000.00 also there was no crack in the machine when I sent it to you. there was no tantamount to fraud.at allin my description if you read it does not state it was mint original and on a scale from 1-10 its an 11.it is however super condition regardless of the few bumps .that shows it is original not repro.you wanted a mint new condition Victor 6 that sells for $ 8500.00 for $ 5000 ,I told you the best I could what you would get
Re: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Thanks for sharing this, Don. This is all I need to know about the man. I realize that dishing dirt on sellers may seem beneath some of us here (the only explanation I can come up with for the somewhat precious way the subject of this seller is being treated by some of us), but as far as I'm concerned, it's absolutely in the List's best interest to call a spade a spade out loud and in plain view. Certainly, providing facts (as in quoted emails) is vastly preferable to opinion, but either way, I'm thankful to know who to avoid like the plague. $750 is a LOT of money. Best to all,Robert From: phonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:49:07 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Hello fellow phono enthusiasts. I have been reading the exchange on the ebay seller known as ANTIQUE EDISON. His name is John Marinacci. I had the misfortune of purchasing a Victor VI from him off of Ebay about 2 years ago. For those of you who would like brave the following email exchange between Mr Marinacci and me, I am sure you will find it most enlightening... INITIAL EMAIL: Hi John:I received the Victor VI today. Thank you for the secure packaging. It arrived safely. However, I am concerned about the overall condition of the machine . If you remember, I asked you specifically if the horn had been patched and you said no. Unfortunately, there are at least 5 areas on the horn that have been patched and are easily noticeable. Also, the finish is splotchy and uneven.Secondly, the machine itself has several glaring problems. You had indicated that all of the gold hardware had been replated. In fact, everything but the elbow, crank and the corner posts are just polished brass. The additional gold plating required will be very expensive. Secondly, there is a 9 crack on the crank hole side of the case which has obviously been there since before it was refinished. Also, the finish is very dark and muddy. The backside of the machine actually has bubbled up veneer and will have to be removed and reglued.Long story short, this machine is a far cry from the one described in your auction as show condition.I would appreciate it if you would contact me regarding the machine as soon as possible. Thank you,Don Henry RESPONSE:Hi DonSorry you are not pleased with it I bought it off the Internet about a yr.ago and that is how it was described. even more in a plus description. I know as I stated that you can always look for things I did as well but I did think it was well Good enough to keep for resale laterI have been in many auctions to see a number of these and as I stated to me it look like a keeper. If you want you may return it. Sorry I wish I could wheel and deal with you on it but I paid $100.00 less than you did. All I can say is that the price that was paid in my opinion was fair it is by far not a piece of junk.HERE IS THE REST OF THE SAGA… DH: I never said the machine was a piece of junk. It is simply not the machine I thought I was buying based on your description and the answers to that you provided to my specific and detailed questions. So, yes, I would like to return it. Thank you. I will pay return shipping. I assume you will refund the full price of $5350? Thank you.JM: Let me say that If you read my Return policy there is a 15% restocking fee also there is noway anyone will return $ 100.00 Shipping handling:the description of this was as honest as one could be.you look at it as it was not restored or replated I look at it as it was.you are always allowed to disagree and I do refund policy because of this. thank you DH: As much as I would love for you make $750 on a misrepresented machine, I feel that the machine is in NO WAY what you described. SHOW CONDITION would generally imply that the case did not have a 9 CRACK in it and that the horn was not PUTTIED up with INFERIOR PATCHES. I was trying to be nice but the truth is you TOTALLY MISREPRESENTED THE CONDITION OF THE MACHINE to an extent that is tantamount to fraud.Also, you managed to leave your original invoice inside the machine which indicated you bought it for $4850... not the $100 less that you told me, which further establishes your willingness to not tell the truth.I will make a case with EBAY and pursue all outlets to make sure that this situation is remedied. I cannot believe that you are willing to sit here and deny what you explicitly stated in your description, which by the way was copied from the previous seller with a few convenient omissions.I really hate the fact that you are trying to double talk your way out of this. That upsets me even more than the fact that the machine is not nearly what you made it out to be.JM: I thought you bought it for $ 5,000.00 also there was no crack in the machine when I sent it to you
Re: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Bummer! However, whats then ending of this saga? The suspense is killing us. --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com Subject: [Phono-L] My experience with ANTIQUE EDISON - Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 4:49 PM Hello fellow phono enthusiasts. I have been reading the exchange on the ebay seller known as ANTIQUE EDISON. His name is John Marinacci. I had the misfortune of purchasing a Victor VI from him off of Ebay about 2 years ago. For those of you who would like brave the following email exchange between Mr Marinacci and me, I am sure you will find it most enlightening... INITIAL EMAIL: Hi John:I received the Victor VI today. Thank you for the secure packaging. It arrived safely. However, I am concerned about the overall condition of the machine . If you remember, I asked you specifically if the horn had been patched and you said no. Unfortunately, there are at least 5 areas on the horn that have been patched and are easily noticeable. Also, the finish is splotchy and uneven.Secondly, the machine itself has several glaring problems. You had indicated that all of the gold hardware had been replated. In fact, everything but the elbow, crank and the corner posts are just polished brass. The additional gold plating required will be very expensive. Secondly, there is a 9 crack on the crank hole side of the case which has obviously been there since before it was refinished. Also, the finish is very dark and muddy. The backside of the machine actually has bubbled up veneer and will have to be removed and reglued.Long story short, this machine is a far cry from the one described in your auction as show condition.I would appreciate it if you would contact me regarding the machine as soon as possible. Thank you,Don Henry RESPONSE:Hi DonSorry you are not pleased with it I bought it off the Internet about a yr.ago and that is how it was described. even more in a plus description. I know as I stated that you can always look for things I did as well but I did think it was well Good enough to keep for resale laterI have been in many auctions to see a number of these and as I stated to me it look like a keeper. If you want you may return it. Sorry I wish I could wheel and deal with you on it but I paid $100.00 less than you did. All I can say is that the price that was paid in my opinion was fair it is by far not a piece of junk.HERE IS THE REST OF THE SAGA… DH: I never said the machine was a piece of junk. It is simply not the machine I thought I was buying based on your description and the answers to that you provided to my specific and detailed questions. So, yes, I would like to return it. Thank you. I will pay return shipping. I assume you will refund the full price of $5350? Thank you.JM: Let me say that If you read my Return policy there is a 15% restocking fee also there is noway anyone will return $ 100.00 Shipping handling:the description of this was as honest as one could be.you look at it as it was not restored or replated I look at it as it was.you are always allowed to disagree and I do refund policy because of this. thank you DH: As much as I would love for you make $750 on a misrepresented machine, I feel that the machine is in NO WAY what you described. SHOW CONDITION would generally imply that the case did not have a 9 CRACK in it and that the horn was not PUTTIED up with INFERIOR PATCHES. I was trying to be nice but the truth is you TOTALLY MISREPRESENTED THE CONDITION OF THE MACHINE to an extent that is tantamount to fraud.Also, you managed to leave your original invoice inside the machine which indicated you bought it for $4850... not the $100 less that you told me, which further establishes your willingness to not tell the truth.I will make a case with EBAY and pursue all outlets to make sure that this situation is remedied. I cannot believe that you are willing to sit here and deny what you explicitly stated in your description, which by the way was copied from the previous seller with a few convenient omissions.I really hate the fact that you are trying to double talk your way out of this. That upsets me even more than the fact that the machine is not nearly what you made it out to be.JM: I thought you bought it for $ 5,000.00 also there was no crack in the machine when I sent it to you. there was no tantamount to fraud.at allin my description if you read it does not state it was mint original and on a scale from 1-10 its an 11.it is however super condition regardless of the few bumps .that shows it is original not repro.you wanted a mint new condition Victor 6 that sells for $ 8500.00 for $ 5000 ,I told you the best I could what you would get for your money.I described it the way I saw it. people that buy my machines see that my description is right on the money I think you got a great
