[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil phonograph and method of recording/playback. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6185179id=zOEGEBAJprintsec=abstractzoom=4dq=edison+tinfoil#PPA10,M1 From esrobe...@hotmail.com Thu Dec 14 15:52:14 2006 From: esrobe...@hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:10 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph References: 003501c71fcf$0ef99f00$6600a...@scott Message-ID: bay123-dav16a65fb7a28b4cd0544008aa...@phx.gbl I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put the soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and redundant. What am I missing? - Original Message - From: Scott Colgrove sc...@alumni.calpoly.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil phonograph and method of recording/playback. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6185179id=zOEGEBAJprintsec=abstractzoom=4dq=edison+tinfoil#PPA10,M1 ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
Too boring to read through, isn't it? I scanned part of it, and it sounds like the cylinder is a plastic soda bottle that will vibrate from sounds in the air. No need to put sound waves into the cylinder. And the needle (as I'm sure you saw) is fixed. Jim On Dec 14, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Robert Wright wrote: I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put the soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and redundant. What am I missing? - Original Message - From: Scott Colgrove sc...@alumni.calpoly.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil phonograph and method of recording/playback. http://www.google.com/patents? vid=USPAT6185179id=zOEGEBAJprintsec=abstractzoom=4dq=edison +tinfoil#PPA10,M1
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
Exactly! Though I read through 75% of it anyway because I guess I have too much time on my hands. Anyway, why would the patent office even register this? (or did it?) Seems like the equivalent to frivolous lawsuits. Still glad it got mentioned, though. - Original Message - From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph Too boring to read through, isn't it? I scanned part of it, and it sounds like the cylinder is a plastic soda bottle that will vibrate from sounds in the air. No need to put sound waves into the cylinder. And the needle (as I'm sure you saw) is fixed. Jim On Dec 14, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Robert Wright wrote: I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put the soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and redundant. What am I missing? - Original Message - From: Scott Colgrove sc...@alumni.calpoly.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil phonograph and method of recording/playback. http://www.google.com/patents? vid=USPAT6185179id=zOEGEBAJprintsec=abstractzoom=4dq=edison +tinfoil#PPA10,M1 ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
On Dec 14, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Robert Wright wrote: Anyway, why would the patent office even register this? To help out a toymaker? Actually, the Patent Office apparently will register a patent on virtually anything these days. Especially if it's related to computers or the Internet. I took a course in patent theory in college, and I know that to receive a patent your idea is supposed to be novel. Explain to me how all these computer patents are novel, when someone can get a patent on 1-Click purchasing, or a slew of other equally ridiculous and TOTALLY obvious ideas. Matter of fact, companies are constantly having to get patents on non-novel ideas, just to prevent others from doing it first. They ought to disband the Patent Office, and start over with employees willing to follow patent law. If they'd start rejecting non- novel ideas and publishing the rejections, then others would know they don't need to worry about getting a patent on an all green web page, or something else as silly. Jim
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
The present state of patent / copyright around the world is allot like several small children in a sandbox fighting over one toy. It is a mess and broke. Rich On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:07:30 -0500, Jim Nichol wrote: On Dec 14, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Robert Wright wrote: Anyway, why would the patent office even register this? To help out a toymaker? Actually, the Patent Office apparently will register a patent on virtually anything these days. Especially if it's related to computers or the Internet. I took a course in patent theory in college, and I know that to receive a patent your idea is supposed to be novel. Explain to me how all these computer patents are novel, when someone can get a patent on 1-Click purchasing, or a slew of other equally ridiculous and TOTALLY obvious ideas. Matter of fact, companies are constantly having to get patents on non-novel ideas, just to prevent others from doing it first. They ought to disband the Patent Office, and start over with employees willing to follow patent law. If they'd start rejecting non- novel ideas and publishing the rejections, then others would know they don't need to worry about getting a patent on an all green web page, or something else as silly. Jim
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
In a message dated 12/14/2006 9:45:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, esrobe...@hotmail.com writes: [Robert]: I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put the soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and redundant. What am I missing? == This 6,185,179 is actually a rather clever reversal of the principle embodied in the 1877-78 primal patent, with the record itself doing the work of the diaphragm. US Patent law, unlike that of other countries, does not require that an item be actually manufactured. Since this stylus is supposed to be fixed and rather unyielding, the wear factor on the recording would be great, and not recommended for any long-lasting sound. Allen www.phonobooks.com
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
A bigger question now might be WHY would somebody re-patent the tinfoil phonograph? Ego? Because he can? Does anybody know if Carl Mohrin is a collector / dealer / researcher??? It might be interesting to hear his side of the story. Sounds like an article for the Soundbox! From lo...@oldcrank.com Fri Dec 15 09:10:45 2006 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:10 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph In-Reply-To: 001b01c72065$96301df0$6600a...@scott References: 001b01c72065$96301df0$6600a...@scott Message-ID: cc2b7f79-c64e-438e-b68c-f4225f2f1...@oldcrank.com On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Scott Colgrove wrote: A bigger question now might be WHY would somebody re-patent the tinfoil phonograph? Ego? Because he can? Does anybody know if Carl Mohrin is a collector / dealer / researcher??? It might be interesting to hear his side of the story. Sounds like an article for the Soundbox! My guess is an educational toy and/or to be used in science classes? He at least must have thought there is some profit to be made in the idea. Any manufacturer could plop out educational phonographs based on Edison's expired patent(s). I must say his idea is certainly novel... but I wouldn't think it would work all that well. BTW, you can't re-patent an expired patent, but the patent office does seem to patent first and let others scratch their heads afterwards. I know several computer software related patents have been revoked on challenge recently. You think a 2001 phonograph patent is goofy... how about the 90 or so wheel patents that are approved yearly! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/24/ AR2005112401003.html Loran
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
This discussion on patents and their relative value is interesting. In The Phonograph Book written by Lloyd Macfarlane, Chapter XX, he states Many an ingenious invention is not worth the paper it is written on, because it is not appreciated by those who are in a position to exploit it, but ninety nine percent of them are worthless just because they are. The author wrote this book in 1917 !!! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:52 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put the soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and redundant. What am I missing? - Original Message - From: Scott Colgrove sc...@alumni.calpoly.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil phonograph and method of recording/playback. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6185179id=zOEGEBAJprintsec=abst ractzoom=4dq=edison+tinfoil#PPA10,M1 ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
Just watch the Tinfoil Crapophones pop up now.
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
On Dec 15, 2006, at 1:32 PM, tuban...@aol.com wrote: Just watch the Tinfoil Crapophones pop up now. Also known as a Reynolds Wrap-O-Phone. ;) Loran
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
Thanks, Allen! Though my actual question wasn't all that clear, this answers it exactly. Guess I shoulda read the whole thing. best, r. - Original Message - From: allena...@aol.com This 6,185,179 is actually a rather clever reversal of the principle embodied in the 1877-78 primal patent, with the record itself doing the work of the diaphragm. US Patent law, unlike that of other countries, does not require that an item be actually manufactured. Since this stylus is supposed to be fixed and rather unyielding, the wear factor on the recording would be great, and not recommended for any long-lasting sound. Allen www.phonobooks.com
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph AND Allen K
Hi ALL,,, There is so much to be found and questioned and talked about at this web site. Thanks s much, Loran, for sharing this with all of us! Guess you know just what we all will be doing well into the New Year! Even though I much appreciate having ALLEN's Patent book and all the work Allen did for 'our caring over many years', I would like to take a moment to say 'thank you', Allen Koenigsberg for all your Antique Phonograph Monthly Archives Of Recorded Sound, which I have saved in your white holders, that remain attached on the door of our spare bedroom, now my phonograph and computer room! Also thanks to your help with worldofgramophones.com, history section! The computer brings many new avenues to our hobby. It may find many new carers 'together', that once were not. Like this one for example: I typed in 'cylinder recordings' on the Google patent site and it showed this patent from Syracuse University, issue date of May 9, 2006! Isn't it fascinating? The problem I have is 'copying' to share here! Thanks everyone,,, for your wisdom,,, shared! Joan
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph AND Allen K
On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:39 PM, phonost...@aol.com wrote: Thanks s much, Loran, for sharing this with all of us! Guess you know just what we all will be doing well into the New Year! You're quite welcome, Joan. Here's a couple of fun ones for you... check out patent nos. 460492 and 1146342. Loran From ediso...@verizon.net Sat Dec 16 12:05:03 2006 From: ediso...@verizon.net (Dan K) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:10 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph AND Allen K References: c84.a47fa5d.32b49...@aol.com 4d7c64ed-5784-4817-a28a-fd1aa4e60...@oldcrank.com Message-ID: 000601c7214d$79b1c3c0$6401a...@new Love the phono-cash register, but he seems to have the 'horn' facing the cashier instead of the customer. hmm. We had a local grocery, Tops Market, try the electronic version about 20 years ago. Of course, everyone called that store the Talking Tops ! - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph AND Allen K On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:39 PM, phonost...@aol.com wrote: Thanks s much, Loran, for sharing this with all of us! Guess you know just what we all will be doing well into the New Year! You're quite welcome, Joan. Here's a couple of fun ones for you... check out patent nos. 460492 and 1146342. Loran
