[Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420
I agree, Eric. The first look yelled crapophone with the color and the shine, but the detail pics show very good quality carving. This is a nice piece. And the motor etc does not look like it was shiftily built onto a new piece of wood, it looks like a vintage motorboard, well crafted. John Robles estott est...@localnet.com wrote: Looks to me like what the seller says- a custom made case from a cabinet shop. It looks as if its been Way over refinished though. I thought it might be some sort of crap-o-phone, but the quality of the carving and the wood looks good. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420 An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20060108/bcb6db40/attachment.ksh ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420
I too was watching this uFrankenphone . Needless to say, there wasn't any crazy bidding on this item(apparently, he doesn't know enough ppl to shill bid it up!) Nice carving, though, but it still is what it is...a non Victor made machine. Bill -- Original message -- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net I agree, Eric. The first look yelled crapophone with the color and the shine, but the detail pics show very good quality carving. This is a nice piece. And the motor etc does not look like it was shiftily built onto a new piece of wood, it looks like a vintage motorboard, well crafted. John Robles estott wrote: Looks to me like what the seller says- a custom made case from a cabinet shop. It looks as if its been Way over refinished though. I thought it might be some sort of crap-o-phone, but the quality of the carving and the wood looks good. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420 An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20060108/bcb6db40/attachment.k sh ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From m...@oldcranky.com Sat Jan 14 13:56:37 2006 From: m...@oldcranky.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:09 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay victor Message-ID: 43c97395.6050...@oldcranky.com Bill hit it right on the head. I pretty much do phonographs the old fashion way. I hunt them down. Shill bidding.You bet! Isn't it an eBay reality? Mike aka Oldcranky
[Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420
True. Some purists might argue that if it isn't in a Victor case, it isn't the real thing. But you still have to admire the craftsmanship. John R Dan Kj- ediso...@verizon.net wrote: There's a very big difference between a 'frankenphone' and a custom made case; Victor routinely sold mechanisms to furniture makers, and products such as this one are desirable. Maybe not $1000++ desirable, but a lot more interesting than yet another standard Victrola off the assembly line :) - Original Message - From: Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420 I too was watching this uFrankenphone . Needless to say, there wasn't any crazy bidding on this item(apparently, he doesn't know enough ppl to shill bid it up!) Nice carving, though, but it still is what it is...a non Victor made machine. Bill estott wrote: Looks to me like what the seller says- a custom made case from a cabinet shop. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420
One thing about the case screams Talented Amature instead of professional workshop- the fact that you've got to leave the whole bottom door open to hear anything out of the horn. I wonder if this might have had an open horn machine in it once, and the owner added the horn and the lid. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Dan Kj- ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420 There's a very big difference between a 'frankenphone' and a custom made case; Victor routinely sold mechanisms to furniture makers, and products such as this one are desirable. Maybe not $1000++ desirable, but a lot more interesting than yet another standard Victrola off the assembly line :)
[Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420
Well, that depends, this phongraph had no ID plate, and it shouldn't, as it wasn't produced by the Victor factory. As far as Victor selling motors to unauthorised factories...I'm not aware of such transactions. I would have thought Baumbach would have included at least one of these in his book(s) including later pressings. One would think after 70 + years, one of these would appear much earlier.. Bill -- Original message -- From: Dan Kj- ediso...@verizon.net There's a very big difference between a 'frankenphone' and a custom made case; Victor routinely sold mechanisms to furniture makers, and products such as this one are desirable. Maybe not $1000++ desirable, but a lot more interesting than yet another standard Victrola off the assembly line :) - Original Message - From: Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay # 6594621420 I too was watching this uFrankenphone . Needless to say, there wasn't any crazy bidding on this item(apparently, he doesn't know enough ppl to shill bid it up!) Nice carving, though, but it still is what it is...a non Victor made machine. Bill estott wrote: Looks to me like what the seller says- a custom made case from a cabinet shop. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From lhera...@bu.edu Sat Jan 14 17:39:05 2006 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:09 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] old turntable/record player wanted In-Reply-To: ofa1a45b21.9bbde774-on852570f1.0053aae0-852570f1.0053a...@fordham.edu Message-ID: 000201c61974$7c5f9f20$2f01a...@ronlherault Have you talked with Rich Conaty? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ruckdesc...@fordham.edu Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:14 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] old turntable/record player wanted Hello, I am looking to purchase a 1930s/40s elcectric record player for 78s (not a wind up victrola). I am looking for a table top model, preferably wood, with art deco features. Does anyone have any suggestions of where to look? Or anything for sale, you can contact me offlist (ruckdesc...@fordham.edu). I've found lots of old radios and victrols, but few turntables. I'm looking for something in good playing condition. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Thanks, Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay# 6594621420
In a message dated 1/14/2006 10:53:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, cranke...@comcast.net writes: Yep, seen them...this isn't a Douglas machine -- Original message -- From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com I think you are fortetting about the Douglas cabinet victors. They are indeed victors put together away from Victor. I'm not sure it is fair to say victor didn't do this. They most definately did with Douglas. I don't think it can be said they any less of a victor machine. And, they go for huge money when the very rare machines become available. I think the machine in question may have been made at the same time that the douglas cabinets were being produced. I know that vic V and vic VI douglas machines existed. They are in Fabrizio's books if anyone is interested. With all this talk about what is real and what is not, you might want to look at page 52 in Fabrizio an Paul's Phonographs with Flair. There is a Craftsman machine and case which is very similar to the machine which was offered on eBay. It is listed as being VR or very rare. Not even a brand name machine! So it is all in the eye of the beholder as to what one considers desireable. ---Art Heller
[Phono-L] What is the Strange Victor Upright on Ebay# 6594621420
In a message dated 1/15/2006 2:28:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, aph4...@aol.com writes: With all this talk about what is real and what is not, you might want to look at page 52 in Fabrizio an Paul's Phonographs with Flair. There is a Craftsman machine and case which is very similar to the machine which was offered on eBay. It is listed as being VR or very rare. Not even a brand name machine! So it is all in the eye of the beholder as to what one considers desireable. ---Art Heller Art hits the nail out of the ballpark. One man's junk would smell as sweet... There are Class M machines out there in custom cabinets that no one would impugn, as long as they are contemporaneous. On page 139 of Phonographica we showed several illustrated cards from a professional designer whose specialty was modifying phonograph cabinets into custom-decorated pieces -- but contemporaneously. In the last issue of The Sound Box, I shared a one-off imitation of a Herzog Cylophone, which, although lacking the quality of the original, is at least...yes...contemporaneous. Whether factory or cutom one-off, I believe the key question is age. Such custom work can be quite interesting, but always in the back of our minds is the question, Was the guy watching TV when he made this? I agree with others that I'd be reluctant to purchase anything like this without examining it in person. George Paul
