[Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane
Hi all, I think this is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY Cheers, Chris Thatcher Graham wrote: > Shane, > > If there's a youtube video that shows how to replace the mainspring > that'd help me out. > got a link? > > -- Thatcher > > shane nolan wrote: >> I know him well, because I am gramophoneshane! >> I have NOT harrassed you. I have NOT spread rumours or lies about >> you, and quite frankly, I am getting fed up with this kind of >> nonsense on these forums. >> I am the one being harrassed by a couple people from Boston, and it >> all seems to come down to a youtube video I posted, showing the >> removal & installation of a main spring. >> I've obviously upset these "repairmen" by showing how easy spring >> removal is. >> >> Now Bill, you have my email address. Please use it with proof of >> these accusations you are making. >> I am on a carers pension because I look after my elderly mother, who >> is close to disabled herself, so why would I harrass anyone because >> they are in a wheel chair? >> Your claims are complete nonsense, and posting this sort of rubbish >> on this & other boards is childish behaviour from someone who should >> know better. >> >> >> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter >> inbox. Take a look ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From waltsomm...@comcast.net Mon Mar 2 09:45:31 2009 From: waltsomm...@comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Mon Mar 2 09:50:49 2009 Subject: Small Spring Service on YouTube: Was Re: [Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane In-Reply-To: <49abf58e.2010...@cox.net> References: <176860.26718...@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49abf186.3030...@mediaguide.com> <49abf58e.2010...@cox.net> Message-ID: <49ac1b3b.2000...@comcast.net> Thanks for the link Chris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY I mostly use jigs and fixtures to hold and wind springs because of the numerous services I perform for others and the benefit that they afford me in terms of speed and safety. The technique described is applicable to 1/3 or less of the motors I routinely encounter. Most springs are significantly larger. I don't know the dimensions of the barrel or the spring in the video clip but I am guessing they are no more than about 1" wide, and based on the ease of flexing them they can't be thicker than about .019". Such a hand-held technique is okay for tiny springs like the one shown, but anyone attempting to service springs in machines like the Edison Diamond Disc or Edison Triumph (just to name two) should not attempt the job with such an unsafe and mechanically inadequate arrangement. My grip is that of a high steel worker but it falls short of what the big guns need. Once you start trying to wrestle with two springs in the same barrel or those that are wider than 1 1/4", thicker than .02" and with lengths that exceed 12 feet, the danger factor increases exponentially. I actually enjoy a certain sense of risk when I work on motors and I don't mind getting nipped (Hint: The use of red grease helps hide the damage from my wife), but there is a level at which mere risk becomes high probability. I know that some folks don't wear gloves of any sort when they work on springs, claiming that it reduces their dexterity which they say adds a risk factor that outweighs the potential of getting gashed from Pandora or one of her high tension sisters. Good, thin, Kevlar reinforced gloves are expensive, but one pair costs a fraction of what a trip to the emergency room costs. And some injuries that send you to the emergency room often result in permanent losses of dexterities (I know firsthand - pun intended). I think Shane's video pretty much shows the gore and inevitable goo that one must contend with when confronting spring service and I am glad he posted it. Regards, Walt Chris Kocsis wrote: > Hi all, I think this is it: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY > > Cheers, > > Chris > > Thatcher Graham wrote: >> Shane, >> >> If there's a youtube video that shows how to replace the mainspring >> that'd help me out. >> got a link? >> >> -- Thatcher >> >> shane nolan wrote: >>> I know him well, because I am gramophoneshane! >>> I have NOT harrassed you. I have NOT spread rumours or lies about >>> you, and quite frankly, I am getting fed up with thi
[Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane
Yes the procedure used in that video would not pass OSHA safety standards. - Original Message - From: "Ron L'Herault" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 3:02:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane I've watched this now and it does give the general idea. However! It is done on what looks like a portable's spring. It is a very small spring. He does it bare handed. Be careful. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Thatcher Graham Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane Shane, If there's a youtube video that shows how to replace the mainspring that'd help me out. got a link? -- Thatcher shane nolan wrote: > I know him well, because I am gramophoneshane! > I have NOT harrassed you. I have NOT spread rumours or lies about you, and quite frankly, I am getting fed up with this kind of nonsense on these forums. > I am the one being harrassed by a couple people from Boston, and it all seems to come down to a youtube video I posted, showing the removal & installation of a main spring. > I've obviously upset these "repairmen" by showing how easy spring removal is. > > Now Bill, you have my email address. Please use it with proof of these accusations you are making. > I am on a carers pension because I look after my elderly mother, who is close to disabled herself, so why would I harrass anyone because they are in a wheel chair? > Your claims are complete nonsense, and posting this sort of rubbish on this & other boards is childish behaviour from someone who should know better. > > > Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From gpaul2...@aol.com Mon Mar 2 13:19:08 2009 From: gpaul2...@aol.com (gpaul2...@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 2 13:26:15 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] paperweight advertising clock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cb6993a86bf9f3-784-...@fwm-m21.sysops.aol.com> We showed a photo of a similar Edison clock on page 135 of Gadgets, Gizmos, and Gimmicks.? We couldn't relate much about it either, but the 1905-06 date should be about right. George P. -Original Message- From: allena...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 3:02 pm Subject: [Phono-L] paperweight advertising clock Hi, Is there much known about a small advertising clock (circular paperweight) for the National Phonograph Co. (Edison), with the name Chatwood also on the dial? Would a date of ca 1905-06 be about right? The sloping metal enclosure is an iridescent red color and it has a circular 'felt' backing. \ Allen **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp0005) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane
I thought the same thing. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of shane nolan Thank you for comments everybody. One piece of advise that was posted, I must say I disagree with, and that is using multi-grips on the spring. This can score the steel & lead to spring breakage. Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a
[Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane
I've removed springs from a few of the Victor phonographs that I have. It's really not practical to soak them in kerosene, as the factory books say, because there is always some residue of the old grease, and after a while, you begin to once again, get the "Victor thump" as the motor runs. When I removed a spring, I hold the barrrel, with the open side away from me, take a pair of pliers, and get the center turns of the spring started out presently, the spring begins to unwind itself (much fastly), and is out on the ground. So it gets dirty; it's goiung to be washed anyway. I re-pack it after re-inserting it, with white lithium grease. I didn't try to download the U-tube footage, simply because I have dialup, and downloads like that tie up the computer for at least half an hour. > [Original Message] > From: Ron L'Herault > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 3/2/2009 1:41:59 PM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane > > I'll have to watch this video. It is true, it is not difficult to remove a > mainspring, especially if you use the method described in Edison's > literature. However, it is still dangerous and dirty. In addition, modern > replacement springs that I have encountered seem to have sharper edges than > the originals removed. I don't know if the originals have become duller > with use or not. Replacing a mainspring should not be entered into lightly. > If you are going to attempt it, you should be properly protected with > leather gloves and heavy clothes. Eye protection such as goggles or a face > shield is a good idea. I think inserting a new spring is actually a bit > harder than taking out the old one. Now I'm going to try and find that > Youtube video. > > Ron L > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of shane nolan > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:46 AM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane > > I know him well, because I am gramophoneshane! > > I've obviously upset these "repairmen" by showing how easy spring removal > is. > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From deedeebl...@yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 18:56:34 2009 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Mon Mar 2 18:56:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola IX Part For Sale Message-ID: <691951.97572...@web37001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I ran across a mahogany Victrola IX cabinet with motor board and horn. It's serial #67125 C and the crank hole is 9" from the front and 2.75" from the top of the cabinet. If you need case parts, please contact me off list. Thanks, Jerry Blais From waltsomm...@comcast.net Mon Mar 2 18:51:58 2009 From: waltsomm...@comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Mon Mar 2 18:57:35 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Small Spring Service on YouTube: In-Reply-To: References: <176860.26718...@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49abf186.3030...@mediaguide.com> <49abf58e.2010...@cox.net> <49ac1b3b.2000...@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49ac9b4e.1060...@comcast.net> Hi Steved, I pretty much only use synthetic grease and oil for motor work. But there are some important things to consider. I haven't looked at the red Amsoil grease but I suspect it is quite similar to the grease I am using. I don't recall the brand name that I use, but it is a multipurpose synthetic grease that I get from a local Tractor Supply Company store. One of the additives that I look for is polyisobutylene. Not to get too cerebral here, but polyisobutylene is a rubber which increases the viscoelasticity of the lubricant. In a nutshell, it gives a lubricant the ability to pull or stretch as gears, for example, engage and disengage, or as spring windings compress and expand into each other. A lubricant like Vaseline is simply pushed out of the way (which is why you need the graphite mixed with Vaseline). I wouldn't say that one is necessarily better than the other except when it comes to longevity - synthetics last, comparatively, forever. Small amounts of two-stroke oil mixed with something like Mobile-1 works most excellently for those applications that require oils (faster moving parts). The "magic" of two-stroke oil is in fact its viscoelasticity. It "hangs on" for the ride unlike conventional oil which creeps. Although most of the lubricants aren't particularly hazardous to handle I invest heavily in nitrile gloves just to be safe. Walt Steven Medved wrote: Walt, Have you ever used synthetic grease? I am thinking of trying the red Amsoil grease as it does not h
[Phono-L] retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane
That's if you assume one is using bare metal grips which is what you wouldn't do ever! On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > I thought the same thing. > > Ron L > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > ] On > Behalf Of shane nolan > > > Thank you for comments everybody. > > One piece of advise that was posted, I must say I disagree with, and > that is > using multi-grips on the spring. This can score the steel & lead to > spring > breakage. > > > Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter > inbox. > Take a > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
