Re: [Phono-L] what is this?
I thought it was a lateral disc cutter, because of the pivot. Always thought hill & dale recorders had the cutting point mounted directly on the diaphragm - Original Message - From: "Thomas Edison" To: Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] what is this? I thought I was among seasoned old timy collectors who knew everything, about everything! This. Is an Edison/ Walter Miller factory recording head, for studio use to make master cylinder recordings, the knob is the advance ball adjustment. This device should ONLY be in the hands of someone that is adept at, and intends, to use it for the purpose so stated, has the knowlwdge to build the special carrage to use it. It would be a shameful, for this part to be purchased someone who puts it away, never restores it , does not intend to use it, that. Would be a waste! I know how to restore it and use it, does anyone else? I had a collector tell me he had a whole Edison studio lathe, and. He put it away in some barn, and I offered to teach him how to use it ect, and he said heWould leave it where it was and did not want to sell it. Oh how frustrating! Page 45 of the new "In The Groove" has this device in place, it also can be used to record Diamond Disc masters, as well. What I w ant to know is how this is in public hands? This should be at the T.E. Historical Park, perhaps the guy who stole the signatures, stole this too? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] what is this?
I thought I was among seasoned old timy collectors who knew everything, about everything! This. Is an Edison/ Walter Miller factory recording head, for studio use to make master cylinder recordings, the knob is the advance ball adjustment. This device should ONLY be in the hands of someone that is adept at, and intends, to use it for the purpose so stated, has the knowlwdge to build the special carrage to use it. It would be a shameful, for this part to be purchased someone who puts it away, never restores it , does not intend to use it, that. Would be a waste! I know how to restore it and use it, does anyone else? I had a collector tell me he had a whole Edison studio lathe, and. He put it away in some barn, and I offered to teach him how to use it ect, and he said heWould leave it where it was and did not want to sell it. Oh how frustrating! Page 45 of the new "In The Groove" has this device in place, it also can be used to record Diamond Disc masters, as well. What I w ant to know is how this is in public hands? This should be at the T.E. Historical Park, perhaps the guy who stole the signatures, stole this too? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this?
I think it is a recorder. I just put a bid for the heck of it. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Mercer Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] What is this? I think it's a reproducer off of a cylinder machine but what is the rest of the hardware? Bruce http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170630438468&category=380 29&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_500wt_950 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this?
I think it's a reproducer off of a cylinder machine but what is the rest of the hardware? Bruce http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170630438468&category=38029&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_500wt_950 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
That's a new excuse. I guess his "brother" changed his mind. On 2010-09-11, at 6:24 PM, Patrick Gunn wrote: > After pulling the original auction, the seller then claimed that it was "his > brother's", and mistakenly was listed, and that the "brother" didn't want to > sell it uh huh... > > > > - Original Message > From: Rich > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 1:22:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? > > Wonder if he will get enough for it that he can buy a decent camera and some > photography lessons. Don't these dolts ever look at their own auctions > before > they post them? > > Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: >> The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 >> 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5889b49806 >> >> He now knows what he has. > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Mac User dynawh...@shaw.ca ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
There's another Zono reproducer on there now, already up to something like $1200.00. John Robles --- On Sat, 9/11/10, Patrick Gunn wrote: From: Patrick Gunn Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 6:24 PM After pulling the original auction, the seller then claimed that it was "his brother's", and mistakenly was listed, and that the "brother" didn't want to sell it uh huh... - Original Message From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 1:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Wonder if he will get enough for it that he can buy a decent camera and some photography lessons. Don't these dolts ever look at their own auctions before they post them? Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 > 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5889b49806 > > He now knows what he has. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
After pulling the original auction, the seller then claimed that it was "his brother's", and mistakenly was listed, and that the "brother" didn't want to sell it uh huh... - Original Message From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 1:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Wonder if he will get enough for it that he can buy a decent camera and some photography lessons. Don't these dolts ever look at their own auctions before they post them? Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 > 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5889b49806 > > He now knows what he has. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
Wonder if he will get enough for it that he can buy a decent camera and some photography lessons. Don't these dolts ever look at their own auctions before they post them? Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5889b49806 He now knows what he has. These are appropriate for any and all early Zonophones, the A,B,C, or D. There was both a 3 screw version without a needle guard, and the 4 screw version, most often seen with the needle guard, but sometimes not. These reproducers are exceedingly rare. I have seen only one other on ebay in perhaps 5 years! There were some reproduction 3 screw reproducers produced in the '70's. I have one of these. This will bring a king's ransom. It will be fun to watch. (I wish I had seen it before it closed when he did not know what it was! Could have had the blasted thing for $5!) Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Don Henry Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:39 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 This is a Zonophone Model A reproducer for the glass sided front mount model - precursor to the Concert V.. No doubt the listing was ended when he discovered what he had! Don From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. What is this reproducer? (Steven Medved) 2. Re: What is this reproducer? (john9...@pacbell.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:09:49 + From: Steven Medved To: phonolist , Phono-l Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473 079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:23:16 + From: john9...@pacbell.net To: "Antique Phonograph List" Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: <116370-1283905395-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-90806018 9...@bda488.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain That almost looks like a Clark-Johnson reproducer! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phonolist To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Sent: Sep 7, 2010 5:09 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473 079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5889b49806 He now knows what he has. These are appropriate for any and all early Zonophones, the A,B,C, or D. There was both a 3 screw version without a needle guard, and the 4 screw version, most often seen with the needle guard, but sometimes not. These reproducers are exceedingly rare. I have seen only one other on ebay in perhaps 5 years! There were some reproduction 3 screw reproducers produced in the '70's. I have one of these. This will bring a king's ransom. It will be fun to watch. (I wish I had seen it before it closed when he did not know what it was! Could have had the blasted thing for $5!) Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Don Henry Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:39 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 This is a Zonophone Model A reproducer for the glass sided front mount model - precursor to the Concert V.. No doubt the listing was ended when he discovered what he had! Don > From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:00:02 -0700 > > Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to > phono-l@oldcrank.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." > > > If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. > > Today's Topics: > >1. What is this reproducer? (Steven Medved) >2. Re: What is this reproducer? (john9...@pacbell.net) > > > ------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:09:49 + > From: Steven Medved > To: phonolist ,Phono-l > > Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473 079601 > > Can anyone tell me what this is? > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:23:16 + > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? > Message-ID: > <116370-1283905395-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-90806018 9...@bda488.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > That almost looks like a Clark-Johnson reproducer! > John Robles > --Original Message-- > From: Steven Medved > Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > To: phonolist > To: Phono-l > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? > Sent: Sep 7, 2010 5:09 PM > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473 079601 > > Can anyone tell me what this is? > > Thanks, > > Steve > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > -- > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 > *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
That almost looks like a Clark-Johnson reproducer! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phonolist To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Sent: Sep 7, 2010 5:09 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
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Re: [Phono-L] What is this?
Yes - - less than half the diameter of the Graphophone's diaphragm. George P. -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? So the Ruby Point is much smaller than a reproducers diaphragm? I can't get any idea of size from the picture. Jim On Mar 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: > > The "Ruby Point" was a replacement cup & stylus meant for a > Graphophone > reproducer. The owner would remove the original metal > stylus arm, cement > the "Ruby Point" into place on the diaphragm, and > enjoy the results. An ad > in the June 1900 issue of The Phonoscope > claimed, > > "Sells Like Hot Cakes. Only $1.00. Increases the volume 50 per > cent. > Eliminates all blast; sweetens the tone. By far the greatest > improvement > ever made for the Graphophone. Consists of a glass base > with hard > composition tip. No trouble to sell this point. Needs > only to be shown to > effect a sale. Adjusted to your reproducer for > $1.00. LIBERAL TRADE > DISCOUNT. Beware of all metal imitations, > with the point set in, they lack > the brilliancy in reproduction > which so distinguishes the Ruby Point." > > > It's interesting that the Penn Phonograph Company should have warned > > against use of "metal imitations, with the point set in" (alluding > to > Hawthorne & Sheble's "Aluminum Disc"), and then introduce a > similar model > as seen in the eBay listing. The earlier "Ruby Point" > model with glass > base is shown in Antique Phonograph Accessories & > Contraptions on page 72, > Fig. 2-24. > > George P. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Nichol > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 9:09 am > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? > > > So what is it? > > Jim > > On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: > >> >> This is the "Ruby Point", invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by >> > the >> Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1. Unfortunately, the >> disc > is >> missing its red stylus. Neat little item - and in a >> Hawthorne & > Sheble >> "Aluminum Disc" box which originally housed a >> similar item. >> >> George P. > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this?
So the Ruby Point is much smaller than a reproducers diaphragm? I can't get any idea of size from the picture. Jim On Mar 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: The "Ruby Point" was a replacement cup & stylus meant for a Graphophone reproducer. The owner would remove the original metal stylus arm, cement the "Ruby Point" into place on the diaphragm, and enjoy the results. An ad in the June 1900 issue of The Phonoscope claimed, "Sells Like Hot Cakes. Only $1.00. Increases the volume 50 per cent. Eliminates all blast; sweetens the tone. By far the greatest improvement ever made for the Graphophone. Consists of a glass base with hard composition tip. No trouble to sell this point. Needs only to be shown to effect a sale. Adjusted to your reproducer for $1.00. LIBERAL TRADE DISCOUNT. Beware of all metal imitations, with the point set in, they lack the brilliancy in reproduction which so distinguishes the Ruby Point." It's interesting that the Penn Phonograph Company should have warned against use of "metal imitations, with the point set in" (alluding to Hawthorne & Sheble's "Aluminum Disc"), and then introduce a similar model as seen in the eBay listing. The earlier "Ruby Point" model with glass base is shown in Antique Phonograph Accessories & Contraptions on page 72, Fig. 2-24. George P. -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 9:09 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? So what is it? Jim On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: This is the "Ruby Point", invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by > the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1. Unfortunately, the disc > is missing its red stylus. Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne & > Sheble "Aluminum Disc" box which originally housed a similar item. George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this?
The "Ruby Point" was a replacement cup & stylus meant for a Graphophone reproducer. The owner would remove the original metal stylus arm, cement the "Ruby Point" into place on the diaphragm, and enjoy the results. An ad in the June 1900 issue of The Phonoscope claimed, "Sells Like Hot Cakes. Only $1.00. Increases the volume 50 per cent. Eliminates all blast; sweetens the tone. By far the greatest improvement ever made for the Graphophone. Consists of a glass base with hard composition tip. No trouble to sell this point. Needs only to be shown to effect a sale. Adjusted to your reproducer for $1.00. LIBERAL TRADE DISCOUNT. Beware of all metal imitations, with the point set in, they lack the brilliancy in reproduction which so distinguishes the Ruby Point." It's interesting that the Penn Phonograph Company should have warned against use of "metal imitations, with the point set in" (alluding to Hawthorne & Sheble's "Aluminum Disc"), and then introduce a similar model as seen in the eBay listing. The earlier "Ruby Point" model with glass base is shown in Antique Phonograph Accessories & Contraptions on page 72, Fig. 2-24. George P. -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 9:09 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? So what is it? Jim On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: > > This is the "Ruby Point", invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by > the Penn > Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1. Unfortunately, the disc > is missing its > red stylus. Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne & > Sheble "Aluminum Disc" > box which originally housed a similar item. > > George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this?
So what is it? Jim On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: This is the "Ruby Point", invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1. Unfortunately, the disc is missing its red stylus. Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne & Sheble "Aluminum Disc" box which originally housed a similar item. George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this?
This is the "Ruby Point", invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1. Unfortunately, the disc is missing its red stylus. Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne & Sheble "Aluminum Disc" box which originally housed a similar item. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved To: Phono-l ; phonolist Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:30 pm Subject: [Phono-L] What is this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200449137442 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this?
It looks like maybe a sapphire holder for a Columbia or Pathe floating reproducer. Just my guess. John Robles --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Steven Medved wrote: From: Steven Medved Subject: [Phono-L] What is this? To: "Phono-l" , "phonolist" Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 6:30 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200449137442 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this?
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[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5Vphonographattachment
As someone who collects both radios and phonographs, I love those old 78s with songs about radio. My favorite is Billy Jones' recording of "Love Her By Radio," which I have on a 1923 Edison DD. I'd love to find a copy on a regular old 78, but I've never even heard of one. Does such a thing even exist? Then again, I love old songs about all kinds of technology. A longtime favorite is my 1919 Victor recording of Billy Murray singing "Take Your Girlie to the Movies if You Can't Make Love at Home." What a hoot! (Oh, and I'm old enough to have used both CompuServe and Prodigy. And they were very exciting at the time, as hopelessly crude as they seem today.) On 6/4/08, Andrew Baron wrote: > > Yes Robert, wonderful evidence of this "incredible time" survives. > Some of my favorites are the Edison recording of "Radio" (one media > form poking fun at another); in a similar vein is the priceless > (figure of speech) Victor record "Twisting the Dials" by the Happiness > Boys, which dates from around the time that Edison declared that radio > would be a passing fad. > > My favorite piece of "hardware" is the Dulce-Tone, which is similar in > purpose to the phono adapter you've discovered, but instead of > replacing the reproducer, it has a little V-shaped needle rest and you > simply place the unit on your turntable or next to it, and lower the > reproducer onto it, steel needle and all. It utilizes your > reproducer's diaphragm instead of having a built in one, and has > exceptionally fine sound quality (depending of course on the > limitations of your reproducer and horn, but still a really fine sound > and much superior to a typical horn type radio loudspeaker). > > All in all, these cross-media peripherals are a fun and interesting > collecting area in their own right and can provide an added dimension > for a collector who has both a vintage phonograph and an early radio. > > Any radio with an audio stage or two (or three), made from the early > '20s through 1928 - 29 should work fine, whether it's a "battery" set > or an AC house-current powered radio (the latter became popular late > '27 - '28). If the radio was made VERY late in the decade, you need > to make sure that the speaker output was designed for the old-style > high-impedance loudspeaker, rather than for a dynamic speaker. > > Best to all, > Andy Baron > > On Jun 4, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Robert Wright wrote: > > 1920 through 1930 must've been an incredible time to be alive for > > sound > > junkies. To witness the birth of electrical recording and to watch > > the > > tehcnological race for better sound between phonographs and radios > > would be > > as exciting and using CompuServe or having posted on Prodigy's > > billboards > > just before the explosion of the internet! > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5Vphonographattachment
Yes Robert, wonderful evidence of this "incredible time" survives. Some of my favorites are the Edison recording of "Radio" (one media form poking fun at another); in a similar vein is the priceless (figure of speech) Victor record "Twisting the Dials" by the Happiness Boys, which dates from around the time that Edison declared that radio would be a passing fad. My favorite piece of "hardware" is the Dulce-Tone, which is similar in purpose to the phono adapter you've discovered, but instead of replacing the reproducer, it has a little V-shaped needle rest and you simply place the unit on your turntable or next to it, and lower the reproducer onto it, steel needle and all. It utilizes your reproducer's diaphragm instead of having a built in one, and has exceptionally fine sound quality (depending of course on the limitations of your reproducer and horn, but still a really fine sound and much superior to a typical horn type radio loudspeaker). All in all, these cross-media peripherals are a fun and interesting collecting area in their own right and can provide an added dimension for a collector who has both a vintage phonograph and an early radio. Any radio with an audio stage or two (or three), made from the early '20s through 1928 - 29 should work fine, whether it's a "battery" set or an AC house-current powered radio (the latter became popular late '27 - '28). If the radio was made VERY late in the decade, you need to make sure that the speaker output was designed for the old-style high-impedance loudspeaker, rather than for a dynamic speaker. Best to all, Andy Baron On Jun 4, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Robert Wright wrote: > 1920 through 1930 must've been an incredible time to be alive for > sound > junkies. To witness the birth of electrical recording and to watch > the > tehcnological race for better sound between phonographs and radios > would be > as exciting and using CompuServe or having posted on Prodigy's > billboards > just before the explosion of the internet!
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonographattachment
From my experience, the type 5V is the most common by far. I rarely see the other A-K variants of this driver. The 5V turn up moderately often on eBay and sell for 5 to 50 bux. They're probably the most in demand by people who collect both radios and phonos as they are a good crossover collectible. These were most popular in the period before about 1925. I suspect that not many of the later ones designed to fit the orthophonic phonos were sold due to the fact that radio speaker technology was improving very rapidly with the introduction of the Kellogg dynamic speaker in 1925. By 1929 the radios sets complete with built-in speakers were sounding better than the acoustic phonos and the reverse adapter become popular - an electric pickup that could be fitted to an acoustic tonearm and which was wired into your radio so that you could play records thru your radio! Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "ny victrolaman" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonographattachment > Well, that explains it, then. Thanks for the info. I tried it out on a > Victrola and it fit like a glove! According to this ad, AK also offered a > Type 6C, which I guess would have been for Columbias, as well as a Type > VE-O > and a Type VE-E, both of which were gold-plated. I imagine those must > have > been for Orthophonics, or maybe Electrolas? > > So would this type of thing appeal more to radio collectors or phonograph > collectors? (I'm both, but I don't have any 1920s sets anymore. I stick > to > the superhets these days.) Do they turn up very often? What do they > bring? > > > On 6/4/08, Greg Bogantz wrote: >> >>Several manufacturers made these, with Atwater Kent being one of the >> most popular. They allowed your radio to be played thru the horn of your >> phonograph. While this may sound silly to us now, in the 1920s the radio >> speakers were pretty feeble and rather poor sounding. And most radio >> sets >> of the day required that you separately purchase the speaker. For those >> owners who already had a nice phonograph with a good horn on it, these >> speaker drivers were a good solution. The speaker driver was less costly >> than a complete radio speaker, and in many cases the driver sounded >> better >> when played thru a good phonograph horn than any separate radio speaker >> of >> the day. This was especially true in the late 1920s if you had an >> orthophonic horn in your Victor console phono. The model number of the >> A-K >> drivers indicates the type of phono they were designed to fit. The 5V >> model >> indicates that it was designed for coupling to the Victor tonearm in >> place >> of the standard phono reproducer. I believe the ones designed for >> Columbia >> machines were a model number something like 5C. I don't recall if there >> were any A-K drivers made to fit Edison machines. >> >> Greg Bogantz >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "ny victrolaman" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:01 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph >> attachment >> >> >> > So I was cleaning out some storage and came across what looks like a >> large >> > 1920s radio horn speaker driver, which I must have picked up someplace >> > years >> > ago. It's about three inches in diameter, with a nine-foot cord, and >> it's >> > quite heavy for its size. (The driver itself tests very good.) On the >> > top >> > it is embossed "Atwater Kent, Phila" and Type 5V. After doing some >> > digging, >> > I found an old ad for it on that great AK website. The ad lists it as >> > a >> > "Phonograph Attachment," but says nothing about what exactly that is, >> what >> > it does, and how exactly one would use it. I recall seeing some old >> > ads >> > where something of this nature is sitting on a motorboard next to a >> > reproducer, but that tells me nothing. Does any out there know about >> > these >> > things? Anyone own one, or is anyone looking for one? I'll be happy >> > to >> > send you pictures if it'll help clear this up. Thanks in advance. >> > ___ >> > Phono-L mailing list >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5Vphonographattachment
1920 through 1930 must've been an incredible time to be alive for sound junkies. To witness the birth of electrical recording and to watch the tehcnological race for better sound between phonographs and radios would be as exciting and using CompuServe or having posted on Prodigy's billboards just before the explosion of the internet! - Original Message - From: "Greg Bogantz" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5Vphonographattachment >From my experience, the type 5V is the most common by far. I rarely > see > the other A-K variants of this driver. The 5V turn up moderately often on > eBay and sell for 5 to 50 bux. They're probably the most in demand by > people who collect both radios and phonos as they are a good crossover > collectible. These were most popular in the period before about 1925. I > suspect that not many of the later ones designed to fit the orthophonic > phonos were sold due to the fact that radio speaker technology was > improving > very rapidly with the introduction of the Kellogg dynamic speaker in 1925. > By 1929 the radios sets complete with built-in speakers were sounding > better > than the acoustic phonos and the reverse adapter become popular - an > electric pickup that could be fitted to an acoustic tonearm and which was > wired into your radio so that you could play records thru your radio! > > Greg Bogantz
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment
Well, that explains it, then. Thanks for the info. I tried it out on a Victrola and it fit like a glove! According to this ad, AK also offered a Type 6C, which I guess would have been for Columbias, as well as a Type VE-O and a Type VE-E, both of which were gold-plated. I imagine those must have been for Orthophonics, or maybe Electrolas? So would this type of thing appeal more to radio collectors or phonograph collectors? (I'm both, but I don't have any 1920s sets anymore. I stick to the superhets these days.) Do they turn up very often? What do they bring? On 6/4/08, Greg Bogantz wrote: > >Several manufacturers made these, with Atwater Kent being one of the > most popular. They allowed your radio to be played thru the horn of your > phonograph. While this may sound silly to us now, in the 1920s the radio > speakers were pretty feeble and rather poor sounding. And most radio sets > of the day required that you separately purchase the speaker. For those > owners who already had a nice phonograph with a good horn on it, these > speaker drivers were a good solution. The speaker driver was less costly > than a complete radio speaker, and in many cases the driver sounded better > when played thru a good phonograph horn than any separate radio speaker of > the day. This was especially true in the late 1920s if you had an > orthophonic horn in your Victor console phono. The model number of the A-K > drivers indicates the type of phono they were designed to fit. The 5V > model > indicates that it was designed for coupling to the Victor tonearm in place > of the standard phono reproducer. I believe the ones designed for Columbia > machines were a model number something like 5C. I don't recall if there > were any A-K drivers made to fit Edison machines. > > Greg Bogantz > > > > - Original Message - > From: "ny victrolaman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:01 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment > > > > So I was cleaning out some storage and came across what looks like a > large > > 1920s radio horn speaker driver, which I must have picked up someplace > > years > > ago. It's about three inches in diameter, with a nine-foot cord, and > it's > > quite heavy for its size. (The driver itself tests very good.) On the > > top > > it is embossed "Atwater Kent, Phila" and Type 5V. After doing some > > digging, > > I found an old ad for it on that great AK website. The ad lists it as a > > "Phonograph Attachment," but says nothing about what exactly that is, > what > > it does, and how exactly one would use it. I recall seeing some old ads > > where something of this nature is sitting on a motorboard next to a > > reproducer, but that tells me nothing. Does any out there know about > > these > > things? Anyone own one, or is anyone looking for one? I'll be happy to > > send you pictures if it'll help clear this up. Thanks in advance. > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment
Several manufacturers made these, with Atwater Kent being one of the most popular. They allowed your radio to be played thru the horn of your phonograph. While this may sound silly to us now, in the 1920s the radio speakers were pretty feeble and rather poor sounding. And most radio sets of the day required that you separately purchase the speaker. For those owners who already had a nice phonograph with a good horn on it, these speaker drivers were a good solution. The speaker driver was less costly than a complete radio speaker, and in many cases the driver sounded better when played thru a good phonograph horn than any separate radio speaker of the day. This was especially true in the late 1920s if you had an orthophonic horn in your Victor console phono. The model number of the A-K drivers indicates the type of phono they were designed to fit. The 5V model indicates that it was designed for coupling to the Victor tonearm in place of the standard phono reproducer. I believe the ones designed for Columbia machines were a model number something like 5C. I don't recall if there were any A-K drivers made to fit Edison machines. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "ny victrolaman" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment > So I was cleaning out some storage and came across what looks like a large > 1920s radio horn speaker driver, which I must have picked up someplace > years > ago. It's about three inches in diameter, with a nine-foot cord, and it's > quite heavy for its size. (The driver itself tests very good.) On the > top > it is embossed "Atwater Kent, Phila" and Type 5V. After doing some > digging, > I found an old ad for it on that great AK website. The ad lists it as a > "Phonograph Attachment," but says nothing about what exactly that is, what > it does, and how exactly one would use it. I recall seeing some old ads > where something of this nature is sitting on a motorboard next to a > reproducer, but that tells me nothing. Does any out there know about > these > things? Anyone own one, or is anyone looking for one? I'll be happy to > send you pictures if it'll help clear this up. Thanks in advance. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment
What is is is a way to play an early battery tube radio thru the phonograph horn. You replace the phono reproducer with this and bingo, a large radio horn that sounds better than the small versions of the time and desn;t take up space. They are a cool collectible, made by many people. -Barry ny victrolaman wrote: > So I was cleaning out some storage and came across what looks like a large > 1920s radio horn speaker driver, which I must have picked up someplace years > ago. It's about three inches in diameter, with a nine-foot cord, and it's > quite heavy for its size. (The driver itself tests very good.) On the top > it is embossed "Atwater Kent, Phila" and Type 5V. After doing some digging, > I found an old ad for it on that great AK website. The ad lists it as a > "Phonograph Attachment," but says nothing about what exactly that is, what > it does, and how exactly one would use it. I recall seeing some old ads > where something of this nature is sitting on a motorboard next to a > reproducer, but that tells me nothing. Does any out there know about these > things? Anyone own one, or is anyone looking for one? I'll be happy to > send you pictures if it'll help clear this up. Thanks in advance. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment
So I was cleaning out some storage and came across what looks like a large 1920s radio horn speaker driver, which I must have picked up someplace years ago. It's about three inches in diameter, with a nine-foot cord, and it's quite heavy for its size. (The driver itself tests very good.) On the top it is embossed "Atwater Kent, Phila" and Type 5V. After doing some digging, I found an old ad for it on that great AK website. The ad lists it as a "Phonograph Attachment," but says nothing about what exactly that is, what it does, and how exactly one would use it. I recall seeing some old ads where something of this nature is sitting on a motorboard next to a reproducer, but that tells me nothing. Does any out there know about these things? Anyone own one, or is anyone looking for one? I'll be happy to send you pictures if it'll help clear this up. Thanks in advance.
[Phono-L] What is this? Edison type spring motor
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