[Phono-L] What kind of machine is this?
I had an inquiry from a lady in NC who has this machine... anyone have any ideas what it might be? -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Red Portable.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2870470 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20130417/24d39f45/attachment.jpe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What kind of machine is this?
Looks like a few pre-war European portables I've seen with the colored alligator Rexine and front flap volume control. Just a guess though. Either that or post-war Japan. Did she mention any owner history? If it was a family members', were they ever in Europe or Asia? On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:18 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: I had an inquiry from a lady in NC who has this machine... anyone have any ideas what it might be? -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Red Portable.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2870470 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20130417/24d39f45/attachment.jpe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] What?!?
For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879. And there's another almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a buy-it-now price of $350. But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes this machine extra special. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
Merle, Have you noticed that the one sold and the one for sale for $350 are the same machine? Same seller. Mumbai, India. Very fishy. --Art Heller In a message dated 2/24/2013 10:51:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879. And there's another almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a buy-it-now price of $350. But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes this machine extra special. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
The other machine isn't almost identical, it IS identical. Same nicks in the same places, see the one on the leading edge of the front at the top, about an inch and a half from the right front corner, turntable velvet, etc. So what really is going on here? Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Merle Sprinzen wrote: For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879. And there's another almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a buy-it-now price of $350. But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes this machine extra special. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
Oh--you saw that it was the same seller. It's got to be the same machine. In a message dated 2/24/2013 10:51:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879. And there's another almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a buy-it-now price of $350. But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes this machine extra special. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
And why would they have one auction with a Buy it Now and one without, unless the first (staged?) one was designed to make an unwary buyer think that they were getting a screaming deal to do the B.I.N. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Feb 24, 2013, at 11:28 AM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Merle, Have you noticed that the one sold and the one for sale for $350 are the same machine? Same seller. Mumbai, India. Very fishy. --Art Heller In a message dated 2/24/2013 10:51:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879. And there's another almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a buy-it-now price of $350. But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes this machine extra special. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
DING, DING, DING, we have a winner!!! On 02/24/2013 12:45 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: And why would they have one auction with a Buy it Now and one without, unless the first (staged?) one was designed to make an unwary buyer think that they were getting a screaming deal to do the B.I.N. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Feb 24, 2013, at 11:28 AM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Merle, Have you noticed that the one sold and the one for sale for $350 are the same machine? Same seller. Mumbai, India. Very fishy. --Art Heller In a message dated 2/24/2013 10:51:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879. And there's another almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a buy-it-now price of $350. But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes this machine extra special. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
Andy, If the first auction were to have been staged by shill bidders, and the item sold, would they not have to pay a hefty fee to eBay for the sale at that lofty amount? --Art Heller In a message dated 2/24/2013 12:27:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, a...@popyrus.com writes: And why would they have one auction with a Buy it Now and one without, unless the first (staged?) one was designed to make an unwary buyer think that they were getting a screaming deal to do the B.I.N. Andrew Baron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
So, if this one is staged, who ended up purchasing it? With a winning bid recorded, this will cost the seller between $1000 + in ebay and paypal fees, no? Thats far more than the $350 BIN on the other he is perceived to be leading the unwary buyer to. What am I missing with that logic? Ron Chicago area From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What?!? DING, DING, DING, we have a winner!!! On 02/24/2013 12:45 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: And why would they have one auction with a Buy it Now and one without, unless the first (staged?) one was designed to make an unwary buyer think that they were getting a screaming deal to do the B.I.N. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Feb 24, 2013, at 11:28 AM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Merle, Have you noticed that the one sold and the one for sale for $350 are the same machine? Same seller. Mumbai, India. Very fishy. --Art Heller In a message dated 2/24/2013 10:51:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879. And there's another almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a buy-it-now price of $350. But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes this machine extra special. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
Great point. I hadn't gotten that far in my thinking. I wonder if the seller can simply report that the high bidder was a deadbeat. Perhaps as long as Paypal doesn't see the purported funds, this might be easy for them to do. Still it seems they'd have listing fees, which would be minimal. Andy On Feb 24, 2013, at 12:39 PM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Andy, If the first auction were to have been staged by shill bidders, and the item sold, would they not have to pay a hefty fee to eBay for the sale at that lofty amount? --Art Heller In a message dated 2/24/2013 12:27:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, a...@popyrus.com writes: And why would they have one auction with a Buy it Now and one without, unless the first (staged?) one was designed to make an unwary buyer think that they were getting a screaming deal to do the B.I.N. Andrew Baron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
The underbidders can have my Decca for a lot less than $8500, and mine still has its correct soundbox! - Original Message - From: Merle Sprinzen msprin...@gmail.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: [Phono-L] What?!? For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879. And there's another almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a buy-it-now price of $350. But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes this machine extra special. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
If the 'winner' of the first one doesn't pay, the seller would eventually get their eBay fees refunded. PayPal would not be involved since nothing was paid through PayPal. -- Greg - Original Message - From: Ron rnb...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What?!? So, if this one is staged, who ended up purchasing it? With a winning bid recorded, this will cost the seller between $1000 + in ebay and paypal fees, no? Thats far more than the $350 BIN on the other he is perceived to be leading the unwary buyer to. What am I missing with that logic? Ron Chicago area From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What?!? DING, DING, DING, we have a winner!!! On 02/24/2013 12:45 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: And why would they have one auction with a Buy it Now and one without, unless the first (staged?) one was designed to make an unwary buyer think that they were getting a screaming deal to do the B.I.N. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Feb 24, 2013, at 11:28 AM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Merle, Have you noticed that the one sold and the one for sale for $350 are the same machine? Same seller. Mumbai, India. Very fishy. --Art Heller In a message dated 2/24/2013 10:51:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879. And there's another almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a buy-it-now price of $350. But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes this machine extra special. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
No fees on non paying bidder. On 02/24/2013 02:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Great point. I hadn't gotten that far in my thinking. I wonder if the seller can simply report that the high bidder was a deadbeat. Perhaps as long as Paypal doesn't see the purported funds, this might be easy for them to do. Still it seems they'd have listing fees, which would be minimal. Andy On Feb 24, 2013, at 12:39 PM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Andy, If the first auction were to have been staged by shill bidders, and the item sold, would they not have to pay a hefty fee to eBay for the sale at that lofty amount? --Art Heller In a message dated 2/24/2013 12:27:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, a...@popyrus.com writes: And why would they have one auction with a Buy it Now and one without, unless the first (staged?) one was designed to make an unwary buyer think that they were getting a screaming deal to do the B.I.N. Andrew Baron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What?!?
You think with all the effort and thought the seller put into these two auctions (of the same machine), he/she would not have utlized the same machine pics. It goes to show...when one chooses to deceive, its difficult covering ALL your tracks :) Ron Chicago area From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What?!? If the 'winner' of the first one doesn't pay, the seller would eventually get their eBay fees refunded. PayPal would not be involved since nothing was paid through PayPal. -- Greg - Original Message - From: Ron rnb...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What?!? So, if this one is staged, who ended up purchasing it? With a winning bid recorded, this will cost the seller between $1000 + in ebay and paypal fees, no? Thats far more than the $350 BIN on the other he is perceived to be leading the unwary buyer to. What am I missing with that logic? Ron Chicago area From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What?!? DING, DING, DING, we have a winner!!! On 02/24/2013 12:45 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: And why would they have one auction with a Buy it Now and one without, unless the first (staged?) one was designed to make an unwary buyer think that they were getting a screaming deal to do the B.I.N. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Feb 24, 2013, at 11:28 AM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Merle, Have you noticed that the one sold and the one for sale for $350 are the same machine? Same seller. Mumbai, India. Very fishy. --Art Heller In a message dated 2/24/2013 10:51:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879. And there's another almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a buy-it-now price of $350. But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes this machine extra special. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] What recession...???
Apparently someone did not get the memo on the recession causing phono related stuff to drop in value: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221121665978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170901196872?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What recession...???
Gotta be shillers!! That's ridiculous. From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, September 16, 2012 11:41:34 AM Subject: [Phono-L] What recession...??? Apparently someone did not get the memo on the recession causing phono related stuff to drop in value: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221121665978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170901196872?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What recession...???
I don't think it is THAT ridiculous. Siam Soos are rare and very desirable. To find one with the original box is very, very unusual! Dennis --- On Sun, 9/16/12, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 4:09 PM Gotta be shillers!! That's ridiculous. From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, September 16, 2012 11:41:34 AM Subject: [Phono-L] What recession...??? Apparently someone did not get the memo on the recession causing phono related stuff to drop in value: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221121665978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170901196872?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What recession...???
i bet the box was the draw siam soo you see alot of them but not the box -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2012 2:50 pm Subject: [Phono-L] What recession...??? Apparently someone did not get the memo on the recession causing phono related stuff to drop in value: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221121665978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170901196872?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What recession...???
Hi Dennis, I didn't mean to infer that these prices were totally ridiculous, since both are very rare... just that certain items seem to be recession proof, more than others. I've only seen one Siam Soo in person and this one looks to be an exceptional example... Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:40:59 -0700 From: back...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? I don't think it is THAT ridiculous. Siam Soos are rare and very desirable. To find one with the original box is very, very unusual! Dennis --- On Sun, 9/16/12, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 4:09 PM Gotta be shillers!! That's ridiculous. From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, September 16, 2012 11:41:34 AM Subject: [Phono-L] What recession...??? Apparently someone did not get the memo on the recession causing phono related stuff to drop in value: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221121665978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170901196872?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What recession...???
It seems to me that rare items have done well, but common ones have fallen. Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:02:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? Hi Dennis, I didn't mean to infer that these prices were totally ridiculous, since both are very rare... just that certain items seem to be recession proof, more than others. I've only seen one Siam Soo in person and this one looks to be an exceptional example... Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:40:59 -0700 From: back...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? I don't think it is THAT ridiculous. Siam Soos are rare and very desirable. To find one with the original box is very, very unusual! Dennis --- On Sun, 9/16/12, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 4:09 PM Gotta be shillers!! That's ridiculous. From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, September 16, 2012 11:41:34 AM Subject: [Phono-L] What recession...??? Apparently someone did not get the memo on the recession causing phono related stuff to drop in value: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221121665978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170901196872?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What recession...???
Not so much just rare but the very rare and in excellent original condition, must meet both conditions. On 09/16/2012 07:33 PM, Steven Medved wrote: It seems to me that rare items have done well, but common ones have fallen. Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:02:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? Hi Dennis, I didn't mean to infer that these prices were totally ridiculous, since both are very rare... just that certain items seem to be recession proof, more than others. I've only seen one Siam Soo in person and this one looks to be an exceptional example... Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:40:59 -0700 From: back...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? I don't think it is THAT ridiculous. Siam Soos are rare and very desirable. To find one with the original box is very, very unusual! Dennis --- On Sun, 9/16/12, john roblesjohn9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john roblesjohn9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 4:09 PM Gotta be shillers!! That's ridiculous. From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.orgphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, September 16, 2012 11:41:34 AM Subject: [Phono-L] What recession...??? Apparently someone did not get the memo on the recession causing phono related stuff to drop in value: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221121665978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170901196872?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What recession...???
This was also the case in the last Great Depression. On 09/16/2012 07:33 PM, Steven Medved wrote: It seems to me that rare items have done well, but common ones have fallen. Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:02:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? Hi Dennis, I didn't mean to infer that these prices were totally ridiculous, since both are very rare... just that certain items seem to be recession proof, more than others. I've only seen one Siam Soo in person and this one looks to be an exceptional example... Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:40:59 -0700 From: back...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? I don't think it is THAT ridiculous. Siam Soos are rare and very desirable. To find one with the original box is very, very unusual! Dennis --- On Sun, 9/16/12, john roblesjohn9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john roblesjohn9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What recession...??? To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 4:09 PM Gotta be shillers!! That's ridiculous. From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.orgphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, September 16, 2012 11:41:34 AM Subject: [Phono-L] What recession...??? Apparently someone did not get the memo on the recession causing phono related stuff to drop in value: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221121665978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170901196872?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] What got me started
Ken's post about what got him started with the phonograph hobby inspired me on to begin a thread about 'first times'. Ken and others, I would be delighted to read your story. Here follows my own. It was probaby 1969, 1970, I was used to catching Dark Shadows, the macabre gothic TV soap opera, just after getting home from school. I was 15 or 16. One main line development of the plot involved a musical haunting of the family homestead by the ghost of a long passed relative who had been walled up to die in his room with his cylinder phonograph. In 1970, now was his time to get even. His theme song was incessant and pervasive when he was active and aprowl; it became a popular 45 release at the time (Quentin's Theme). His phonograph was an Edison Home, probably a second style model A; the banner decal was often visible to the viewer. The horn was at first a black Edison Home model, but later on, when the show started to be broadcast in color and when we had our first color TV, a maroon morningglory painted with a wreath of roses. That was how it all began for me. No matter the vague inconsistencies and inaccuracies of horn model, phonograph and the purported year of 1899 for having been walled up. I drove relatives, family, friends and quite a few strangers crazy with a growing obsession of wanting a horned phonograph. The passion plunged me into all kinds of research about the invention and history of the devices; I was feverishly hunting up anything that might have a picture or two...which...at that time was a pretty limited library. I wrote a term paper for a highschool history requirement on the invention. Every weekend that I could, I haunted a group of antique shops in a nearby town; one had 3 flowered morningglory horns displaying on a shelf near the ceiling; pink, blue and green- but no machines; another was offering a black Edison Gem for $80 or $90 and an Edison Standard with a large brass horn for $150a fortune for those days for me. Finally, after about a year of of making an ever increasing pest of myself in every antique shop and flea market in ever-widening radii around my hometown, we got a fateful phonecall one evening. A gentleman called from a shop saying he had a machine and would I be interested. He was willing to meet me and my parents at the shop that very evening. To say we rushed through dinner is understated; I suggested eating it in the car; some $50 later, I was the beaming, second owner of a Victor III with black and brass horn as well as a soon-to-be-treasured Victor batwing 78 of Irish tenor John McCormack singing Moonlight and Roses. Over the years I have had very little contact with other collectors, but I understand I now live near a couple of major 'powers' in Connecticut. I have a small collection mainly because I have not ever had the space nor great spare funds to afford to keep it fed. And for a period of many years, I stopped hunting things up; my college and early career, not to mention my hormones, sent me in other directions entirely for quite a time. I came back to external horn phonographs around the surfacing of eBay. I have a decided preference for external horn, Berliner/GT, Edison and Victor machines And since it is such a brief list, I offer the details of my group: 1 Victor III 1 HMV indeterminant 1920s model 1 Victor pre-dog Monarch Junior (marked Model E), front mount 2 Edison Standards, model A banner style 1 Edison Standard, Model F, with the model D designation struck out on the plate, cygnet number 10 1 Edison Home, model B, tall case 1 Edison Triumph, model A banner style 1 Columbia AJ, front mount, apparently 3rd style 1 Columbia early model Q 1 Gramophone and Typwriter early model 3, new style Kevin Tupper ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] What got me started
I have been enjoying the posts of What Got Me Started. I'd like to use them, with the author's permission, in the upcoming In The Groove. I wrote my What Got Me Started as the President's Message for the December (Christmas Special Edition) of In The Groove in 2010. See below: Ask anyone who knows me, and they will confirm I have always been Christmas's biggest fan. For some, this season is celebrated by the sharing of abundance. Others embrace the traditions of Christmas with visual displays of light and art. I was born with that singular defective gene that causes my soul to resonate through music, especially at this most magical time of year. One of my earliest and fondest memories was having my mother sing to me before bedtime. You see, my family was not musically inclined. I don't recall any family member volunteering to sing aloud in public. We were the move your lips to hymns at church variety. I remember it took great persuasion for this miracle to occur, but when it did; my Mother's voice would silence the world around us. Her song played upon my heartstrings and its memory has never grown dim. Of course, being a non-musical family, the only song she knew, or at least the only song I ever requested her to sing was, Pony Boy. That recollection is always called forth at this time of year for one of my most memorable Christmas gifts was a spring suspended rocking horse named, Pony Boy. It has become a personal Yuletide tradition that I dig out my two-minute Oxford cylinder #1198 of Quartette performing this most joyous of all Christmas Melodies, Pony Boy in honor of the season. Cindy and I were married in 1979, so it must have been fall 1980 that I fell in love (for a second time) with my first Victrola. John Houser was fifty years my senior and a wood working craftsman with no equal in my eyes. One day he was showing me the different wood projects he had created when I was taken aback by the interesting cabinet used as a display table crowded with assorted items. I asked if he made it. He just smiled at me and explained that it was a Victrola from his childhood. He told me that he used to play records on it at Christmas for his grandchildren, so he thought it should still work. I convinced him to clear away the years of clutter from its top so we could see inside. Once the lid was raised on this VV-215, I knew I had no recourse but to acquire one for myself someday. John could see that I was smitten and sold me that Victrola for a bargain price he knew I could afford, bless his heart. That VV-215 became the furniture centerpiece in our meager living room. During the rest of the year, it displayed photos of our family on its alligatored lacquer top, but at Christmas it was the perfect location for our miniature nativity displays. It quickly became our family's annual tradition to play Bing Crosby's White Christmas (over and over) on it as we decorated our Christmas tree. Once Jessica and Timmy advanced past the toddler stage, the White Christmas tree decorating ceremony would end and our children would once again be reminded that we had a Victrola right there in our living room. Let's play more songs, they would plead. Not being one to deny my children the simple pleasures of life, and given my propensity to corrupt their innocent little minds, we would play Frank Crumit's Show Me The Way To Go Home (Always good for a letter home from the daycare center the following day). For sentimental reasons, we would follow that up with Crumit's Oh, How I Wish I Were In Peoria, the city Cindy and I spent the first night on our multi-state honeymoon adventure. Our next-door neighbor was a retired Wabash College German language professional that migrated from Germany in 1936 as Hitler was gaining power. Dr. Planitz gifted me with several of his classical music 78 RPM album sets that he brought with him to the United States. After the kids were tucked in bed, I would play Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, 4th Movement (in German) and Bach's Brandenburg Concerti while admiring the newly decorated Christmas tree in apology to the Victrola for playing Bing Crosby's White Christmas 23 times in a row. The children have grown, and so has my antique phonograph collection, but there will always be a special place in my Yuletide heart for that VV-215. Now if I can just find a copy of Pony Boy on 78 rpm. Thanks, Tim McCormick ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
Al, Why would Edison have removed the 4-minute gearing from the Standard “D” just for ICS? Why wouldn’t ICS want 4-minute capability? I cannot imagine any business buying near-obsolete technology. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
“Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above 79. Am I correct?” Of course you are correct! Serial number: 820852 What made you think it would be above 79? Have you seen or heard of other 2/4 minute D ICS Standards? Steve, the machine only came with the H reproducer (sn #A679790), recording tube and horn. No recorder of “C” reproducer. Regards, Scott ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
Did these ship in the ICS config from the Edison factory, or were the repeater bits and ID tags added by others? If the latter, the s/n would just be part of the normal sequence, right? If the ICS people bought them in bulk there might be blocks of s/n's that are all ICS... Hmmm. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:00 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above 79. Am I correct? That is a clean original horn also. That was a great machine to start your collection. Regards, Al -Original Message- From: Scott Colgrove scott.colgr...@gmail.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 8:47 am Subject: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C Hi Steve and Al, I’ve seen an ICS Standard D...it’s in my hallway! http://www.montanaphonograph.com/gallery/EdStdD.html This was the beast that caused my phono-collecting disease. It was the first ylinder player I ever saw and the first purchased. Regards, cott __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
I do not know if Edison sent the Phonographs to ICS in Scranton where they added the tag. I do know that ICS did ship things, ICS had their own wooden box they put the recorder in to protect it in shipment, I think. I have or had an original packing box where two blanks had been mailed from ICS. Edison may have assigned serial numbers to ICS. Edison made the model B C and D phonographs all at the same time so you see variety. The N reproducer first came out around serial number 22,000 below you will see the Model E was out by the 790,000 range so it looks like Edison made the ICS D after the E came out. You see a large number of ICS C standards. Edison never wasted so it seems to me when the D came out and there was little demand for the Standard C Edison sold them to ICS. The ICS Gems were two minute only, so I believe the four minute ICS blue amberols came out in 1915 when the ICS amberola 30 was introduced. The ICS H was made in 1915 and later so the top is pot metal and says TAE Inc on it. They have their own serial numbers. From the examples I have seen the first ones have the serial number around the sound tube, A5083 is an example of this. The early B series B1708 and B1717 have the serial number by the lettering as does 4775. The later B series have stable pot metal and number like B2243 and B3123 around the sound tube. The weight is blank and the limit loop is much wider than the H. It weighs .8 of an ounce, the same as the early automatic weight. It was made to play records that were recorded with the 4 minute recorder as well as the ICS language records. The weight uses a pin to hold the stylus bar in place. On these the pin moves in the shoulders and is lightly press fitted into the hole in the stylus bar. 4775 with the serial number by the letters appears to be in good shape and is for sale on eBay now so it appears there was the regular no letter serial number which I assume came first. The small tops aside from the ICS H shared serial numbers so you can have an idea of when a reproducer was made, but Edison used parts when he found them so you can have a later phonograph or reproducer with earlier parts. Because there are no definite cut offs Edison is more interesting, but harder to figure out. The ICS 30 was sold with a four minute recorder and the special ICS H with the special reducer ring. If the purchaser was interested he could buy a diamond C reproducer for the machine. If anyone has a Standard E with a reproducer in the 20,000's I would be interested in the serial numbers. Round weight N 33030 is on Standard E 795363 Round weight N 36087 on Standard E 794228 Trowel N 46911 on Standard E 800257 Trowel N 46795 on Standard E 803033 Trowel N 47875 on Standard E 800786 Trowel N 49430 on Standard E 804395 From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:43:12 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C Did these ship in the ICS config from the Edison factory, or were the repeater bits and ID tags added by others? If the latter, the s/n would just be part of the normal sequence, right? If the ICS people bought them in bulk there might be blocks of s/n's that are all ICS... Hmmm. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:00 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above 79. Am I correct? That is a clean original horn also. That was a great machine to start your collection. Regards, Al -Original Message- From: Scott Colgrove scott.colgr...@gmail.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 8:47 am Subject: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C Hi Steve and Al, I’ve seen an ICS Standard D...it’s in my hallway! http://www.montanaphonograph.com/gallery/EdStdD.html This was the beast that caused my phono-collecting disease. It was the first ylinder player I ever saw and the first purchased. Regards, cott __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
“Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above 79. Am I correct?” Of course you are correct! Serial number: 820852 What made you think it would be above 79? Have you seen or heard of other 2/4 minute D ICS Standards? THAT IS BECAUSE AL KNOWS HIS EDISON PHONOGRAPHS BETTER THAN I KNOW MY REPRODUCERS. Steve, the machine only came with the H reproducer (sn #A679790), recording tube and horn. No recorder or “C” reproducer. Regards, Scott SCOTT, THANKS, THE H REPRODUCER WAS FROM AFTER JULY 1909 AS THE FIRST K WAS AROUND A582,000. IT APPEARS EDISON ASSIGNED SERIAL NUMBER BLOCKS TO THE SMALL TOP REPRODUCERS AS SOME D MACHINES HAVE A SPREAD ON THE C AND H REPRODUCERS. I APPRECIATE KNOWING THE MACHINE PLAYS IN 4 MINUTE, IT APPEARS IT WAS USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT CYLINDERS. EDISON HAS SO MUCH VARIETY, ONE OF THE TRIUMPH MODEL G'S THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 4 MINUTE ONLY PLAYS IN BOTH. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LEARN ABOUT EDISON THERE IS ALWAYS MORE. STEVE M ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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I APPRECIATE KNOWING THE MACHINE PLAYS IN 4 MINUTE, IT APPEARS IT WAS USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT CYLINDERS. I meant to say after being used for the ICS lessons it appeared the owner used it for four minute records. It is nice to see the history of the machine by what is found with it. Thanks for sharing your machine with us, this is the only one I have ever seen. Steve From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:19:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C “Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above 79. Am I correct?” Of course you are correct! Serial number: 820852 What made you think it would be above 79? Have you seen or heard of other 2/4 minute D ICS Standards? THAT IS BECAUSE AL KNOWS HIS EDISON PHONOGRAPHS BETTER THAN I KNOW MY REPRODUCERS. Steve, the machine only came with the H reproducer (sn #A679790), recording tube and horn. No recorder or “C” reproducer. Regards, Scott SCOTT, THANKS, THE H REPRODUCER WAS FROM AFTER JULY 1909 AS THE FIRST K WAS AROUND A582,000. IT APPEARS EDISON ASSIGNED SERIAL NUMBER BLOCKS TO THE SMALL TOP REPRODUCERS AS SOME D MACHINES HAVE A SPREAD ON THE C AND H REPRODUCERS. I APPRECIATE KNOWING THE MACHINE PLAYS IN 4 MINUTE, IT APPEARS IT WAS USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT CYLINDERS. EDISON HAS SO MUCH VARIETY, ONE OF THE TRIUMPH MODEL G'S THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 4 MINUTE ONLY PLAYS IN BOTH. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LEARN ABOUT EDISON THERE IS ALWAYS MORE. STEVE M ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
I have a lot of data on Edison's that I didn't have when George and I did the first cylinder phonographs book. Now I have a ton of data showing things that happened affecting production nuances. The Edison Standards ended production with a serial just above 82. Virtually all of the last machines are ICS tagged and equipped D Models that have no 4 minute gears. On rare occasions a Model E Standard will be seen with the E X'd out and a C stamped in, again it is only a 2 minute player. These machines do appear in blocks of serials. I feel these were done at the Edison factory since the machines were sent out with only 2 minute capability so as not to compete with Edison's normal product line. Whenever I see an ICS late production machine labeled C or D that plays 4 minute records my suspicions are raised that someone has transplanted the gears. That is the problem with Edison machines having so many interchangeable parts going through so many hands for the last 100 years. I know of two California repair persons who 'brought them up to date' with dual speed gears, Pollard and Frick. This was in the 1950s and 1960s. The ICS machines usually were in pristine shape with very little usage and the donor machines were D or F junkers. I just thought of a third California dealer who did that too... The Edison Wrecking Yard, a.k.a. Neumann Miller. The Triumph Model G had both gear sets for 2 and 4 minute operation but had an easily removal shim washer that locked the planetary out into the 4 minute position. One must remember that the Model G Triumph production numbers are very likely less than 100 machines and the serials are intermixed with the Model F. Therefore, could a Model F have been mislabeled and sent out, with Edison that is a safe bet ! ! ! As production ended even the Triumph machines were not given the close scrutiny of earlier times. Regards, Al -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 11:38 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above 9. Am I correct?” f course you are correct! Serial number: 820852 hat made you think it would be above 79? Have you seen or heard of other /4 minute D ICS Standards? THAT IS BECAUSE AL KNOWS HIS EDISON PHONOGRAPHS ETTER THAN I KNOW MY REPRODUCERS. teve, the machine only came with the H reproducer (sn #A679790), recording tube nd horn. No recorder or “C” reproducer. egards, cott SCOTT, THANKS, HE H REPRODUCER WAS FROM AFTER JULY 1909 AS THE FIRST K WAS AROUND A582,000. T APPEARS EDISON ASSIGNED SERIAL NUMBER BLOCKS TO THE SMALL TOP REPRODUCERS AS OME D MACHINES HAVE A SPREAD ON THE C AND H REPRODUCERS. I APPRECIATE KNOWING HE MACHINE PLAYS IN 4 MINUTE, IT APPEARS IT WAS USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT YLINDERS. EDISON HAS SO MUCH VARIETY, ONE OF THE TRIUMPH MODEL G'S THAT WAS UPPOSED TO BE 4 MINUTE ONLY PLAYS IN BOTH. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LEARN ABOUT DISON THERE IS ALWAYS MORE. STEVE M __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
A Model F mislabeled and sent out, with Edison that is a safe bet ! ! ! Hello Al, Edison mistakes are very interesting. I have seen a Standard Model E with a combination ID plate, they used a D ID plate, it is stamped E with the serial number of the Standard E 794424 and the reproducer is N 36793. This standard E is four minute only. The machine that is most interesting is a Standard D that came with the painted pin striping in a Model B case. The serial number is 624172 without a D at the end. It looks just like a B except for the D gearing and no endgate. I have seen photos of a Gem D with the old GEM decal on the front of the machine. Bob told me he saw a raised panel triumph that the raised panel was not parallel to the wood bedplate, it was crooked. Thanks for your info. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:57:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C I have a lot of data on Edison's that I didn't have when George and I did the first cylinder phonographs book. Now I have a ton of data showing things that happened affecting production nuances. The Edison Standards ended production with a serial just above 82. Virtually all of the last machines are ICS tagged and equipped D Models that have no 4 minute gears. On rare occasions a Model E Standard will be seen with the E X'd out and a C stamped in, again it is only a 2 minute player. These machines do appear in blocks of serials. I feel these were done at the Edison factory since the machines were sent out with only 2 minute capability so as not to compete with Edison's normal product line. Whenever I see an ICS late production machine labeled C or D that plays 4 minute records my suspicions are raised that someone has transplanted the gears. That is the problem with Edison machines having so many interchangeable parts going through so many hands for the last 100 years. I know of two California repair persons who 'brought them up to date' with dual speed gears, Pollard and Frick. This was in the 1950s and 1960s. The ICS machines usually were in pristine shape with very little usage and the donor machines were D or F junkers. I just thought of a third California dealer who did that too... The Edison Wrecking Yard, a.k.a. Neumann Miller. The Triumph Model G had both gear sets for 2 and 4 minute operation but had an easily removal shim washer that locked the planetary out into the 4 minute position. One must remember that the Model G Triumph production numbers are very likely less than 100 machines and the serials are intermixed with the Model F. Therefore, could a Model F have been mislabeled and sent out, with Edison that is a safe bet ! ! ! As production ended even the Triumph machines were not given the close scrutiny of earlier times. Regards, Al -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 11:38 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above 9. Am I correct?” f course you are correct! Serial number: 820852 hat made you think it would be above 79? Have you seen or heard of other /4 minute D ICS Standards? THAT IS BECAUSE AL KNOWS HIS EDISON PHONOGRAPHS ETTER THAN I KNOW MY REPRODUCERS. teve, the machine only came with the H reproducer (sn #A679790), recording tube nd horn. No recorder or “C” reproducer. egards, cott SCOTT, THANKS, HE H REPRODUCER WAS FROM AFTER JULY 1909 AS THE FIRST K WAS AROUND A582,000. T APPEARS EDISON ASSIGNED SERIAL NUMBER BLOCKS TO THE SMALL TOP REPRODUCERS AS OME D MACHINES HAVE A SPREAD ON THE C AND H REPRODUCERS. I APPRECIATE KNOWING HE MACHINE PLAYS IN 4 MINUTE, IT APPEARS IT WAS USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT YLINDERS. EDISON HAS SO MUCH VARIETY, ONE OF THE TRIUMPH MODEL G'S THAT WAS UPPOSED TO BE 4 MINUTE ONLY PLAYS IN BOTH. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LEARN ABOUT DISON THERE IS ALWAYS MORE. STEVE M __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above 79. Am I correct? That is a clean original horn also. That was a great machine to start your collection. Regards, Al -Original Message- From: Scott Colgrove scott.colgr...@gmail.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 8:47 am Subject: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C Hi Steve and Al, I’ve seen an ICS Standard D...it’s in my hallway! http://www.montanaphonograph.com/gallery/EdStdD.html This was the beast that caused my phono-collecting disease. It was the first ylinder player I ever saw and the first purchased. Regards, cott __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
Hello Al, I have never seen the ICS D so I am thrilled with your info, thanks again. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:45:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C Hi Steve: Yes, toward the very end of the Standard machines Edison made ICS Model Ds that were missing the 4 minute gears and had the speed control knob on top the bedplate. Some had the D X'd out with a C stamped in but most were just left with the D letter in the Model box on the patent plate. Price ranges on eBay for ICS Cs have been from $250 to $550 over the last few years. One or two machines did sell in the $700 to $800 range in earlier golden years with hearing tubes, some ICS records, and recorders with blanks. Hope that helps, Al Edison fanatic... -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 1:32 pm Subject: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C http://www.ebay.com/itm/200702897452 Has anyone seen an ICS standard D? Steve ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
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Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
Hi Steve: Yes, toward the very end of the Standard machines Edison made ICS Model Ds that were missing the 4 minute gears and had the speed control knob on top the bedplate. Some had the D X'd out with a C stamped in but most were just left with the D letter in the Model box on the patent plate. Price ranges on eBay for ICS Cs have been from $250 to $550 over the last few years. One or two machines did sell in the $700 to $800 range in earlier golden years with hearing tubes, some ICS records, and recorders with blanks. Hope that helps, Al Edison fanatic... -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 1:32 pm Subject: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C http://www.ebay.com/itm/200702897452 Has anyone seen an ICS standard D? Steve ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the origin of this odd Edison Gem from Thailand
Hi Bill The explanation and provided links on ebay explains the Edison Bell history quite clearly. BTW, I am the seller ;-) Here is another link: http://scripophily.stores.yahoo.net/edcophco19.html They had a complete line of phonographs, first manufactured by a German Company called EWC (Excelsior Werke Cologne), then the Edison Bell Gem and Standard, and finally the Elf, Imp, Don, Era after getting into a patent infringement war with Edison over the Elf and the Standard. I will be selling an Edison Bell Standard and several other Edison Bell Machines (as well as many other European machines) over the next few weeks/months. Patriek From: b...@taney.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 05:38:30 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org CC: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] What is the origin of this odd Edison Gem from Thailand http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-AND-UNUSUAL-EDISON-BELL-GEM-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-ALL-ORIGINAL-ALUMINIUM-HORN-/140626886569?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item20be03ffa9 never seen anything quite like this... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is the origin of this odd Edison Gem from Thailand CORRECTION
Correction: after getting into a patent infringement war with Edison over the GEM (now on ebay) and the Standard. The Edison Bell Gem is quite a different machine than the Edison GEM but Edison decided to go all out on the patent war. So the next four machines in the line-up (Elf, Imp, Don, Era) were deliberately and quite innovatively avoiding ALL of the Edison patents. I will have some of these listed soon (also the Edison Bell Standard). Patriek From: zanaspatr...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:09:43 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the origin of this odd Edison Gem from Thailand Hi Bill The explanation and provided links on ebay explains the Edison Bell history quite clearly. BTW, I am the seller ;-) Here is another link: http://scripophily.stores.yahoo.net/edcophco19.html They had a complete line of phonographs, first manufactured by a German Company called EWC (Excelsior Werke Cologne), then the Edison Bell Gem and Standard, and finally the Elf, Imp, Don, Era after getting into a patent infringement war with Edison over the Elf and the Standard. I will be selling an Edison Bell Standard and several other Edison Bell Machines (as well as many other European machines) over the next few weeks/months. Patriek From: b...@taney.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 05:38:30 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org CC: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] What is the origin of this odd Edison Gem from Thailand http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-AND-UNUSUAL-EDISON-BELL-GEM-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-ALL-ORIGINAL-ALUMINIUM-HORN-/140626886569?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item20be03ffa9 never seen anything quite like this... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall
Steve, There is a song about our current economy - Nertz by Eddie Cantor - you can hear it on our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com - on the main page click on the link to vintage recordings - it's great and very current. Curt From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:34:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall Hello Jack, Amazing how some things never change. Today's Hunmpty Dumpty appears to be the economy, too bad Billy Murray is not around to sing an updated Humpty Dumpty song. Steve Hey Steve, Thanks for the Humpty Dumpty history lesson. All this time I understood Humpy Dumpty wasn't an obese egg, but really a rather obese cannon used in the Siege of Colchester during the English Civil War. This three month battle was between the Parlimentarians (today's conservatives, constitutionalists) against the Royalists (today's liberals, supporting the monarchy). Although there is much speculation about the original term Humpty Dumpty, we can all benefit by learning more English History as many lessons learned hundreds of years ago are playing out today. For the serious reader, the story about dissatisfaction with the government and economic decline is pretty much the same, the parallels from three hundred years ago are amazing. Too bad there are no Victor recordings about the real story. By the way, there is no truth to the story about why Jack and Jill went up the hill. Jack HUMPTY DUMPTY by Sterling, Moran, H. von Tilzer as sung by Billy Murray Ed. SmalleEveryone knows Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. But no one seems to know what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. My great-grand-dad was just a lad, but he was there to see. The story's true, so I'll tell you just what he told to me. Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. A girl was passing by. Her skirt was rather high. She kept on going, never knowing-- Glory! How the wind was blowing! Humpty Dumpty nearly lost an eye. If you're a man, you know the reason why. She said, Would you please tie my shoe? Of course, 'twas just a stall. But that's what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. Humpty Dumpty lived in the time Of old Mother Goose and her nursery rhyme. Hi diddle diddle The profiteers fiddle We all have to dance to their tune. Prices leap to the sky Meat was never so high Since the cow jumped over the moon! You know, I asked my great-grand-dad if Humpty broke a leg. He said, He went completely broke, because he was an egg. She looked so swell That Humpty fell And his poor life was spoiled; But don't forget, He'd be here yet If he had been hard-boiled! Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. The girlie passed him by; She winked her pretty eye. He saw the clocking on her stocking-- Glory my! he said, How shocking! Humpty Dumpty turned around and looked and looked and looked and looked And that's how Humpty Dumpty's goose was cooked. He was weak and took a peek But if you had his view, I bet you'd do like Humpty Dumpty too. Hickory dickory doc, The mouse found a flask in the clock. Two drinks of that stuff Made the mouse feel so tough That he chased all the cats on the block! London Bridge is falling down All around the mulberry bush Jack and Jill Went up the hill For all I know, they're up there still. (?) Down among the wildflowers. All the king's horses and all the king's men Who saw poor Humpty fall Could never put him back upon the wall. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:41:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Yeah, I have the record. Much as I remember lyrics, I can't come up with the reason the poor soul flopped. It's a real good recording with a lot of good musicianship, too. Can't remember that, either. My Victor Master book is in another room. It's an orthophonic, so there may be yet another one about the unfortunate egg. Original Message: - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:39:51 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Has anyone heard Humpty Dumpty on Victor? We learn what made him fall. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall
Curt, What a wonderful site, you were so very correct. Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:40:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall Steve, There is a song about our current economy - Nertz by Eddie Cantor - you can hear it on our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com - on the main page click on the link to vintage recordings - it's great and very current. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall
Hello Jack, Amazing how some things never change. Today's Hunmpty Dumpty appears to be the economy, too bad Billy Murray is not around to sing an updated Humpty Dumpty song. Steve Hey Steve, Thanks for the Humpty Dumpty history lesson. All this time I understood Humpy Dumpty wasn't an obese egg, but really a rather obese cannon used in the Siege of Colchester during the English Civil War. This three month battle was between the Parlimentarians (today's conservatives, constitutionalists) against the Royalists (today's liberals, supporting the monarchy). Although there is much speculation about the original term Humpty Dumpty, we can all benefit by learning more English History as many lessons learned hundreds of years ago are playing out today. For the serious reader, the story about dissatisfaction with the government and economic decline is pretty much the same, the parallels from three hundred years ago are amazing. Too bad there are no Victor recordings about the real story. By the way, there is no truth to the story about why Jack and Jill went up the hill. Jack HUMPTY DUMPTY by Sterling, Moran, H. von Tilzer as sung by Billy Murray Ed. SmalleEveryone knows Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. But no one seems to know what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. My great-grand-dad was just a lad, but he was there to see. The story's true, so I'll tell you just what he told to me. Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. A girl was passing by. Her skirt was rather high. She kept on going, never knowing-- Glory! How the wind was blowing! Humpty Dumpty nearly lost an eye. If you're a man, you know the reason why. She said, Would you please tie my shoe? Of course, 'twas just a stall. But that's what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. Humpty Dumpty lived in the time Of old Mother Goose and her nursery rhyme. Hi diddle diddle The profiteers fiddle We all have to dance to their tune. Prices leap to the sky Meat was never so high Since the cow jumped over the moon! You know, I asked my great-grand-dad if Humpty broke a leg. He said, He went completely broke, because he was an egg. She looked so swell That Humpty fell And his poor life was spoiled; But don't forget, He'd be here yet If he had been hard-boiled! Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. The girlie passed him by; She winked her pretty eye. He saw the clocking on her stocking-- Glory my! he said, How shocking! Humpty Dumpty turned around and looked and looked and looked and looked And that's how Humpty Dumpty's goose was cooked. He was weak and took a peek But if you had his view, I bet you'd do like Humpty Dumpty too. Hickory dickory doc, The mouse found a flask in the clock. Two drinks of that stuff Made the mouse feel so tough That he chased all the cats on the block! London Bridge is falling down All around the mulberry bush Jack and Jill Went up the hill For all I know, they're up there still. (?) Down among the wildflowers. All the king's horses and all the king's men Who saw poor Humpty fall Could never put him back upon the wall. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:41:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Yeah, I have the record. Much as I remember lyrics, I can't come up with the reason the poor soul flopped. It's a real good recording with a lot of good musicianship, too. Can't remember that, either. My Victor Master book is in another room. It's an orthophonic, so there may be yet another one about the unfortunate egg. Original Message: - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:39:51 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Has anyone heard Humpty Dumpty on Victor? We learn what made him fall. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall
Hey Steve, Thanks for the Humpty Dumpty history lesson. All this time I understood Humpy Dumpty wasn't an obese egg, but really a rather obese cannon used in the Siege of Colchester during the English Civil War. This three month battle was between the Parlimentarians (today's conservatives, constitutionalists) against the Royalists (today's liberals, supporting the monarchy). Although there is much speculation about the original term Humpty Dumpty, we can all benefit by learning more English History as many lessons learned hundreds of years ago are playing out today. For the serious reader, the story about dissatisfaction with the government and economic decline is pretty much the same, the parallels from three hundred years ago are amazing. Too bad there are no Victor recordings about the real story. By the way, there is no truth to the story about why Jack and Jill went up the hill. Jack From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:31:05 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall HUMPTY DUMPTY by Sterling, Moran, H. von Tilzer as sung by Billy Murray Ed. SmalleEveryone knows Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. But no one seems to know what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. My great-grand-dad was just a lad, but he was there to see. The story's true, so I'll tell you just what he told to me. Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. A girl was passing by. Her skirt was rather high. She kept on going, never knowing-- Glory! How the wind was blowing! Humpty Dumpty nearly lost an eye. If you're a man, you know the reason why. She said, Would you please tie my shoe? Of course, 'twas just a stall. But that's what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. Humpty Dumpty lived in the time Of old Mother Goose and her nursery rhyme. Hi diddle diddle The profiteers fiddle We all have to dance to their tune. Prices leap to the sky Meat was never so high Since the cow jumped over the moon! You know, I asked my great-grand-dad if Humpty broke a leg. He said, He went completely broke, because he was an egg. She looked so swell That Humpty fell And his poor life was spoiled; But don't forget, He'd be here yet If he had been hard-boiled! Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. The girlie passed him by; She winked her pretty eye. He saw the clocking on her stocking-- Glory my! he said, How shocking! Humpty Dumpty turned around and looked and looked and looked and looked And that's how Humpty Dumpty's goose was cooked. He was weak and took a peek But if you had his view, I bet you'd do like Humpty Dumpty too. Hickory dickory doc, The mouse found a flask in the clock. Two drinks of that stuff Made the mouse feel so tough That he chased all the cats on the block! London Bridge is falling down All around the mulberry bush Jack and Jill Went up the hill For all I know, they're up there still. (?) Down among the wildflowers. All the king's horses and all the king's men Who saw poor Humpty fall Could never put him back upon the wall. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:41:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Yeah, I have the record. Much as I remember lyrics, I can't come up with the reason the poor soul flopped. It's a real good recording with a lot of good musicianship, too. Can't remember that, either. My Victor Master book is in another room. It's an orthophonic, so there may be yet another one about the unfortunate egg. Original Message: - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:39:51 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Has anyone heard Humpty Dumpty on Victor? We learn what made him fall. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall
Thanks for the history lesson Jack. From what I understand, the good guys eventually won the war, and yes the parallels are pretty amazing. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 7:23:41 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall Hey Steve, Thanks for the Humpty Dumpty history lesson. All this time I understood Humpy Dumpty wasn't an obese egg, but really a rather obese cannon used in the Siege of Colchester during the English Civil War. This three month battle was between the Parlimentarians (today's conservatives, constitutionalists) against the Royalists (today's liberals, supporting the monarchy). Although there is much speculation about the original term Humpty Dumpty, we can all benefit by learning more English History as many lessons learned hundreds of years ago are playing out today. For the serious reader, the story about dissatisfaction with the government and economic decline is pretty much the same, the parallels from three hundred years ago are amazing. Too bad there are no Victor recordings about the real story. By the way, there is no truth to the story about why Jack and Jill went up the hill. Jack From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:31:05 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall HUMPTY DUMPTY by Sterling, Moran, H. von Tilzer as sung by Billy Murray Ed. SmalleEveryone knows Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. But no one seems to know what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. My great-grand-dad was just a lad, but he was there to see. The story's true, so I'll tell you just what he told to me. Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. A girl was passing by. Her skirt was rather high. She kept on going, never knowing-- Glory! How the wind was blowing! Humpty Dumpty nearly lost an eye. If you're a man, you know the reason why. She said, Would you please tie my shoe? Of course, 'twas just a stall. But that's what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. Humpty Dumpty lived in the time Of old Mother Goose and her nursery rhyme. Hi diddle diddle The profiteers fiddle We all have to dance to their tune. Prices leap to the sky Meat was never so high Since the cow jumped over the moon! You know, I asked my great-grand-dad if Humpty broke a leg. He said, He went completely broke, because he was an egg. She looked so swell That Humpty fell And his poor life was spoiled; But don't forget, He'd be here yet If he had been hard-boiled! Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. The girlie passed him by; She winked her pretty eye. He saw the clocking on her stocking-- Glory my! he said, How shocking! Humpty Dumpty turned around and looked and looked and looked and looked And that's how Humpty Dumpty's goose was cooked. He was weak and took a peek But if you had his view, I bet you'd do like Humpty Dumpty too. Hickory dickory doc, The mouse found a flask in the clock. Two drinks of that stuff Made the mouse feel so tough That he chased all the cats on the block! London Bridge is falling down All around the mulberry bush Jack and Jill Went up the hill For all I know, they're up there still. (?) Down among the wildflowers. All the king's horses and all the king's men Who saw poor Humpty fall Could never put him back upon the wall. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:41:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Yeah, I have the record. Much as I remember lyrics, I can't come up with the reason the poor soul flopped. It's a real good recording with a lot of good musicianship, too. Can't remember that, either. My Victor Master book is in another room. It's an orthophonic, so there may be yet another one about the unfortunate egg. Original Message: - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:39:51 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Has anyone heard Humpty Dumpty on Victor? We learn what made him fall. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall
I used to believe that a lesson from history showed you who the good guys were/are and who the bad guys were/are. Now I find myself wondering what do you do when you discover that all of them are bad... Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:44:54 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall Thanks for the history lesson Jack. From what I understand, the good guys eventually won the war, and yes the parallels are pretty amazing. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 7:23:41 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall Hey Steve, Thanks for the Humpty Dumpty history lesson. All this time I understood Humpy Dumpty wasn't an obese egg, but really a rather obese cannon used in the Siege of Colchester during the English Civil War. This three month battle was between the Parlimentarians (today's conservatives, constitutionalists) against the Royalists (today's liberals, supporting the monarchy). Although there is much speculation about the original term Humpty Dumpty, we can all benefit by learning more English History as many lessons learned hundreds of years ago are playing out today. For the serious reader, the story about dissatisfaction with the government and economic decline is pretty much the same, the parallels from three hundred years ago are amazing. Too bad there are no Victor recordings about the real story. By the way, there is no truth to the story about why Jack and Jill went up the hill. Jack From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:31:05 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall HUMPTY DUMPTY by Sterling, Moran, H. von Tilzer as sung by Billy Murray Ed. SmalleEveryone knows Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. But no one seems to know what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. My great-grand-dad was just a lad, but he was there to see. The story's true, so I'll tell you just what he told to me. Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. A girl was passing by. Her skirt was rather high. She kept on going, never knowing-- Glory! How the wind was blowing! Humpty Dumpty nearly lost an eye. If you're a man, you know the reason why. She said, Would you please tie my shoe? Of course, 'twas just a stall. But that's what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. Humpty Dumpty lived in the time Of old Mother Goose and her nursery rhyme. Hi diddle diddle The profiteers fiddle We all have to dance to their tune. Prices leap to the sky Meat was never so high Since the cow jumped over the moon! You know, I asked my great-grand-dad if Humpty broke a leg. He said, He went completely broke, because he was an egg. She looked so swell That Humpty fell And his poor life was spoiled; But don't forget, He'd be here yet If he had been hard-boiled! Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. The girlie passed him by; She winked her pretty eye. He saw the clocking on her stocking-- Glory my! he said, How shocking! Humpty Dumpty turned around and looked and looked and looked and looked And that's how Humpty Dumpty's goose was cooked. He was weak and took a peek But if you had his view, I bet you'd do like Humpty Dumpty too. Hickory dickory doc, The mouse found a flask in the clock. Two drinks of that stuff Made the mouse feel so tough That he chased all the cats on the block! London Bridge is falling down All around the mulberry bush Jack and Jill Went up the hill For all I know, they're up there still. (?) Down among the wildflowers. All the king's horses and all the king's men Who saw poor Humpty fall Could never put him back upon the wall. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:41:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Yeah, I have the record. Much as I remember lyrics, I can't come up with the reason the poor soul flopped. It's a real good recording with a lot of good musicianship, too. Can't remember that, either. My Victor Master book is in another room. It's an orthophonic, so there may be yet another one about the unfortunate egg. Original Message: - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:39:51 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Has anyone heard Humpty Dumpty on Victor? We learn what made him fall. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall
HUMPTY DUMPTY by Sterling, Moran, H. von Tilzer as sung by Billy Murray Ed. SmalleEveryone knows Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. But no one seems to know what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. My great-grand-dad was just a lad, but he was there to see. The story's true, so I'll tell you just what he told to me. Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. A girl was passing by. Her skirt was rather high. She kept on going, never knowing-- Glory! How the wind was blowing! Humpty Dumpty nearly lost an eye. If you're a man, you know the reason why. She said, Would you please tie my shoe? Of course, 'twas just a stall. But that's what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. Humpty Dumpty lived in the time Of old Mother Goose and her nursery rhyme. Hi diddle diddle The profiteers fiddle We all have to dance to their tune. Prices leap to the sky Meat was never so high Since the cow jumped over the moon! You know, I asked my great-grand-dad if Humpty broke a leg. He said, He went completely broke, because he was an egg. She looked so swell That Humpty fell And his poor life was spoiled; But don't forget, He'd be here yet If he had been hard-boiled! Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. The girlie passed him by; She winked her pretty eye. He saw the clocking on her stocking-- Glory my! he said, How shocking! Humpty Dumpty turned around and looked and looked and looked and looked And that's how Humpty Dumpty's goose was cooked. He was weak and took a peek But if you had his view, I bet you'd do like Humpty Dumpty too. Hickory dickory doc, The mouse found a flask in the clock. Two drinks of that stuff Made the mouse feel so tough That he chased all the cats on the block! London Bridge is falling down All around the mulberry bush Jack and Jill Went up the hill For all I know, they're up there still. (?) Down among the wildflowers. All the king's horses and all the king's men Who saw poor Humpty fall Could never put him back upon the wall. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:41:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Yeah, I have the record. Much as I remember lyrics, I can't come up with the reason the poor soul flopped. It's a real good recording with a lot of good musicianship, too. Can't remember that, either. My Victor Master book is in another room. It's an orthophonic, so there may be yet another one about the unfortunate egg. Original Message: - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:39:51 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Has anyone heard Humpty Dumpty on Victor? We learn what made him fall. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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I thought it was a lateral disc cutter, because of the pivot. Always thought hill dale recorders had the cutting point mounted directly on the diaphragm - Original Message - From: Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] what is this? I thought I was among seasoned old timy collectors who knew everything, about everything! This. Is an Edison/ Walter Miller factory recording head, for studio use to make master cylinder recordings, the knob is the advance ball adjustment. This device should ONLY be in the hands of someone that is adept at, and intends, to use it for the purpose so stated, has the knowlwdge to build the special carrage to use it. It would be a shameful, for this part to be purchased someone who puts it away, never restores it , does not intend to use it, that. Would be a waste! I know how to restore it and use it, does anyone else? I had a collector tell me he had a whole Edison studio lathe, and. He put it away in some barn, and I offered to teach him how to use it ect, and he said heWould leave it where it was and did not want to sell it. Oh how frustrating! Page 45 of the new In The Groove has this device in place, it also can be used to record Diamond Disc masters, as well. What I w ant to know is how this is in public hands? This should be at the T.E. Historical Park, perhaps the guy who stole the signatures, stole this too? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I thought I was among seasoned old timy collectors who knew everything, about everything! This. Is an Edison/ Walter Miller factory recording head, for studio use to make master cylinder recordings, the knob is the advance ball adjustment. This device should ONLY be in the hands of someone that is adept at, and intends, to use it for the purpose so stated, has the knowlwdge to build the special carrage to use it. It would be a shameful, for this part to be purchased someone who puts it away, never restores it , does not intend to use it, that. Would be a waste! I know how to restore it and use it, does anyone else? I had a collector tell me he had a whole Edison studio lathe, and. He put it away in some barn, and I offered to teach him how to use it ect, and he said heWould leave it where it was and did not want to sell it. Oh how frustrating! Page 45 of the new In The Groove has this device in place, it also can be used to record Diamond Disc masters, as well. What I w ant to know is how this is in public hands? This should be at the T.E. Historical Park, perhaps the guy who stole the signatures, stole this too? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this?
I think it's a reproducer off of a cylinder machine but what is the rest of the hardware? Bruce http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170630438468category=38029_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_500wt_950 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5889b49806 He now knows what he has. These are appropriate for any and all early Zonophones, the A,B,C, or D. There was both a 3 screw version without a needle guard, and the 4 screw version, most often seen with the needle guard, but sometimes not. These reproducers are exceedingly rare. I have seen only one other on ebay in perhaps 5 years! There were some reproduction 3 screw reproducers produced in the '70's. I have one of these. This will bring a king's ransom. It will be fun to watch. (I wish I had seen it before it closed when he did not know what it was! Could have had the blasted thing for $5!) Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Don Henry Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:39 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 This is a Zonophone Model A reproducer for the glass sided front mount model - precursor to the Concert V.. No doubt the listing was ended when he discovered what he had! Don From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. What is this reproducer? (Steven Medved) 2. Re: What is this reproducer? (john9...@pacbell.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:09:49 + From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com,Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: col118-w1431da3934f191c9e71ba0f6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473 079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:23:16 + From: john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: 116370-1283905395-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-90806018 9...@bda488.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain That almost looks like a Clark-Johnson reproducer! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phonolist To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Sent: Sep 7, 2010 5:09 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473 079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Wonder if he will get enough for it that he can buy a decent camera and some photography lessons. Don't these dolts ever look at their own auctions before they post them? Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5889b49806 He now knows what he has. These are appropriate for any and all early Zonophones, the A,B,C, or D. There was both a 3 screw version without a needle guard, and the 4 screw version, most often seen with the needle guard, but sometimes not. These reproducers are exceedingly rare. I have seen only one other on ebay in perhaps 5 years! There were some reproduction 3 screw reproducers produced in the '70's. I have one of these. This will bring a king's ransom. It will be fun to watch. (I wish I had seen it before it closed when he did not know what it was! Could have had the blasted thing for $5!) Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Don Henry Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:39 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 This is a Zonophone Model A reproducer for the glass sided front mount model - precursor to the Concert V.. No doubt the listing was ended when he discovered what he had! Don From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:00:02 -0700 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. What is this reproducer? (Steven Medved) 2. Re: What is this reproducer? (john9...@pacbell.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:09:49 + From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com,Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: col118-w1431da3934f191c9e71ba0f6...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473 079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:23:16 + From: john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Message-ID: 116370-1283905395-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-90806018 9...@bda488.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain That almost looks like a Clark-Johnson reproducer! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phonolist To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Sent: Sep 7, 2010 5:09 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473 079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124 *** ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
After pulling the original auction, the seller then claimed that it was his brother's, and mistakenly was listed, and that the brother didn't want to sell it uh huh... - Original Message From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 1:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Wonder if he will get enough for it that he can buy a decent camera and some photography lessons. Don't these dolts ever look at their own auctions before they post them? Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5889b49806 He now knows what he has. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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There's another Zono reproducer on there now, already up to something like $1200.00. John Robles --- On Sat, 9/11/10, Patrick Gunn pgvancou...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Patrick Gunn pgvancou...@yahoo.com Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 6:24 PM After pulling the original auction, the seller then claimed that it was his brother's, and mistakenly was listed, and that the brother didn't want to sell it uh huh... - Original Message From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 1:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Wonder if he will get enough for it that he can buy a decent camera and some photography lessons. Don't these dolts ever look at their own auctions before they post them? Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5889b49806 He now knows what he has. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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That's a new excuse. I guess his brother changed his mind. On 2010-09-11, at 6:24 PM, Patrick Gunn wrote: After pulling the original auction, the seller then claimed that it was his brother's, and mistakenly was listed, and that the brother didn't want to sell it uh huh... - Original Message From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 1:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Wonder if he will get enough for it that he can buy a decent camera and some photography lessons. Don't these dolts ever look at their own auctions before they post them? Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: The Zonophone closed face reproducer has been relisted. http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Zonophone-reproducer-disc-phonograph-/38026743 6038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5889b49806 He now knows what he has. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Mac User dynawh...@shaw.ca ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
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Re: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer?
That almost looks like a Clark-Johnson reproducer! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phonolist To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] What is this reproducer? Sent: Sep 7, 2010 5:09 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/antique-phonograph-reproducer-78-rpm-records-/290473079601 Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
Did anyone record the banquet speakers on video? Anyone who did, want to share? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Here are my thoughtswith this disclaimerI helped put on this show along with a lot a really great people! There were indeed many high-end machines that went home in the same vehicle they arrived in. The selection of machines was the best I've seen in many years. While buyers and dealers simply did not pull the trigger... there were more than a few machines that found a new home, not to mention hundreds 78's and cylinders. The show reached several new records (no pun intended) in a down economy. Putting on my dealer hat, the show was above average. Putting on my buyers hat I found a grouping of brown wax cylinders that had been together for over 115 years and in superb condition (with original boxes and record slips). As others have noted for some it was a down year for some and for others it was a banner year. Nonethless, it was a memorable show and banquet. Charlie Hummel was our very first banquet speaker and so it was that he was again for our 25th show. His revelation that the Columbia Multiplex Grand was not a myth simply left me awestruck. There was the top works front and center for everyone to see! And then for Mike Khanchalian to resurrect a Multiplex Grand cylinder was far too much to expect, but he took it out of its storage can, slipped it on the mandrel and voila!, history right in front of your eyes. The cherry on top of all this was the 30 seconds worth of sound they were able to get off the first of three distinct selections. Look for an article coming to The Soundbox in the future. The biggest takeaway (for me at least) was seeing all the wonderful people in our hobby come together in one place. There are people I only get to see at the show. I am gratified by the long list of people who come from so far away to attend the show. I can't wait for next year! Dan On Aug 17, 2010, at 4:57 PM, DeeDee Blais wrote: I attended CAPS last weekend and wondered what others thought of the show and banquet. Here's my thoughts... I thought the sale was well attended by sellers which provided a very nice selection of machines ranging from entry level to something for the advanced collector. I saw Berliners, Vic VI, Vic C, Rigid Arm MS, lesser Victors, Victor School Models, Edison Opera, Edison Concert, Edison Triumphs, several Homes, Standards, Firesides Gems, Columbia BII, Grand Piano Graphonola (incomplete), and many other brands and models. There was a large rear mount mahogany Zonophone with a matching mahogany Music Master horn priced at $2200 and I don't think anyone seriously considered it. Buyers, including the dealers, simply did not pull the trigger on many purchases. I saw a Victor School machine with a sold sign and believe a Vic III with oak horn sold but very few high end machines sold. I wasn't everywhere at once and I'm sure I missed things but very little left the building. In my immediate area, I know of a Standard and an Amberola 50 which were sold by dealers around me. I sold a 2-min Standard B with a reproduction 14 horn for $280 (1970's prices!) and a very clean oak Victrola IX (with new springs and rebuild reproducer) for $300. I had an all original Vic 1 priced at $725 for the last half of the sale with no serious lookers. On the plus side, the banquet was great. Charlie Hummel, assisted by Mike Khanchalian, talked about the discovery of the only known Multiplex Grand cylinder and partial mechanism. The cylinder was inside its metal tube but broken into several hundred pieces and mixed with broken pieces of other concert cylinders. Mike, the Record Doctor, has been working on the cylinder for months. We were able to listen to a recording of the first few inches of the giant cylinder and it was nothing less than thrilling. Charlie talked about collecting in general and he is always full of... well, Charlie is simply full of it and the great stories of a long time collector. He even wore a tie! Also on the plus side are the friendly people at CAPS. The club has made a great effort to welcome visiting dealers and buyers. What did you think?? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
I attended CAPS last weekend and wondered what others thought of the show and banquet. Here's my thoughts... I thought the sale was well attended by sellers which provided a very nice selection of machines ranging from entry level to something for the advanced collector. I saw Berliners, Vic VI, Vic C, Rigid Arm MS, lesser Victors, Victor School Models, Edison Opera, Edison Concert, Edison Triumphs, several Homes, Standards, Firesides Gems, Columbia BII, Grand Piano Graphonola (incomplete), and many other brands and models. There was a large rear mount mahogany Zonophone with a matching mahogany Music Master horn priced at $2200 and I don't think anyone seriously considered it. Buyers, including the dealers, simply did not pull the trigger on many purchases. I saw a Victor School machine with a sold sign and believe a Vic III with oak horn sold but very few high end machines sold. I wasn't everywhere at once and I'm sure I missed things but very little left the building. In my immediate area, I know of a Standard and an Amberola 50 which were sold by dealers around me. I sold a 2-min Standard B with a reproduction 14 horn for $280 (1970's prices!) and a very clean oak Victrola IX (with new springs and rebuild reproducer) for $300. I had an all original Vic 1 priced at $725 for the last half of the sale with no serious lookers. On the plus side, the banquet was great. Charlie Hummel, assisted by Mike Khanchalian, talked about the discovery of the only known Multiplex Grand cylinder and partial mechanism. The cylinder was inside its metal tube but broken into several hundred pieces and mixed with broken pieces of other concert cylinders. Mike, the Record Doctor, has been working on the cylinder for months. We were able to listen to a recording of the first few inches of the giant cylinder and it was nothing less than thrilling. Charlie talked about collecting in general and he is always full of... well, Charlie is simply full of it and the great stories of a long time collector. He even wore a tie! Also on the plus side are the friendly people at CAPS. The club has made a great effort to welcome visiting dealers and buyers. What did you think?? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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As president of CAPS and the individual organizing the show I always welcome comments that will lead to improvement in what we do. I would, however, like to enlighten those reading this thread. 1. Attendance This year our attendance was up 10% over 2009. On Saturday for setup when the strongest buyers arrive, we had record attendance which was 14% higher than 2009. We had more people come in before 9 and had a line outside waiting for the 9am lower cost entry. We had George Paul write a feature length article for the West Coast Peddler in July which had his article highlighted on the front page with a plug for the show at the end of the article along with a quarter page ad. We advertised in nearly every hobby specific publication. We sent out about 500 direct mail postcards to previous attendees that provided their address. We distributed thousands of flyers. I even called K-Earth radio, who put me on the air plugging the show and offering free attendance to anyone who mentioned they heard about the show on the radio 2. Catering We left Po Folks years ago and used Francis Marie. The food from Po Folks was low quality heart attack food served on paper plates with plastic forks and spoons for which we were paying far too much. With Francis Marie, we improved the quality of the banquet presentation as well at the menu for nearly the same price. Francis Marie retired this year so we needed another caterer. Joey Bell came highly recommended and has catered events for some of the club members. With Francis Marie, we had opportunity for improvement and we exercised them over the first few years. An can do the same with Joey. As far as the price, the banquet, including the food, beverages, room and speaker compensation cost us nearly $50/person. The red and white wine was put in the refrigerator at 1:00 in the afternoon and was not removed until 4:00. 3. Buying and Selling I heard from many dealers that they had poor sales. My job is to bring in people interested in seeing your product and it is your job to close the sale on your product. If you didn't sell your product it may be because you had the wrong product, the price of the product was too high or your buyers were not prepared to let go of their money in this poor economy. Bruce Peterson, CAPS President -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:32 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? A tempting invitation to share our thoughts...I agree with you, Jerry, the treasures were plentiful but the buyers were sparse. I had people with several machines on boths sides of me and one erson sold one machine and the other sold none at all, and he had some truly great machines. Having attended for over 20 years, beginning when it was held at Griswolds Hotel (remember what a sweatbox that place became by the afternoon?),I've had good experience of the show. I thought the attendance of buyers this year was lower than last year, and there was no swell of business at 9 am Sunday when the doors were opened to those who didn't buy early bird tickets. Many came to my table and admired items, but for the most part they were window shoppers. A lot of people seemed to be price tagging machines they had at home Oh I have my grandma's Victrola and it's just like this one. I even have some of those rare one-sided records!. I did find some good things, and there were a decent amount of spare horns, parts, etc. Todd Boermas had some great machines, horns and parts at good prices. I got a very unusual Tizit for $45 and stamped MADE BY J.W. KREILING, CHICAGO on it. I got a very nicely made and finished reamer for $25, and a very nice large Victor brass belled horn for my Monarch, in very nice condition, for $250. The banquet program was great, Charley was very entertaining. I could listen to him tell stories all night! The food was not so great. When Po Folks catered the banquet the food was good. This time it was catered by an independent caterer, and while his staff was eager to please, as was he, the prime rib was fatty and gristly, the green beans were undercooked though they had the olive drab look of overcooked green beans, and the rice pilaf was so-so. Bread was served in baskets on the tables, but there were no bread plates. Ice water was not left on the table as in past years; you had to flag down a server. The wine was two-buck Chuck from Trader Joe's, and the white was not chilled. The deserts were fine. After the event I happened to be questioned on my thoughts on the food from committee members. I was honest, and they agreed it wasn't that great. My opinion was that for $35.00 I would rather have a good meat loaf meal than a bad prime rib. There you have it, one collector's opinion. I've seen better shows. But it was clearly the economy that drove it and kept people's money in their pockets. I
Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
Bruce, I help put on a local antique show and it is an enormous effort. I agree that* job one* is to fill the hall so to speak. Whatever a show is or may be, growing attendance is your job and selling is the dealers. I hope all have faith however. Buyers are very reserve right now but the fact that so many came is a good sign. Today's tire kicker is many times tomorrows collector. An interesting note about shows. The NAWCC (clock guys) have successively argued in a sales tax state (we have no sales tax where I live) back east that their shows are for members only. They call them regionals and have national shows.That status they argue exempts them from sales tax. Boy could you have fun with early admission. Don't hold your breath. I mention it as a curiosity. oldcranky Mike Stitt On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Bruce br...@accoladeeng.com wrote: As president of CAPS and the individual organizing the show I always welcome comments that will lead to improvement in what we do. I would, however, like to enlighten those reading this thread. 1. Attendance This year our attendance was up 10% over 2009. On Saturday for setup when the strongest buyers arrive, we had record attendance which was 14% higher than 2009. We had more people come in before 9 and had a line outside waiting for the 9am lower cost entry. We had George Paul write a feature length article for the West Coast Peddler in July which had his article highlighted on the front page with a plug for the show at the end of the article along with a quarter page ad. We advertised in nearly every hobby specific publication. We sent out about 500 direct mail postcards to previous attendees that provided their address. We distributed thousands of flyers. I even called K-Earth radio, who put me on the air plugging the show and offering free attendance to anyone who mentioned they heard about the show on the radio 2. Catering We left Po Folks years ago and used Francis Marie. The food from Po Folks was low quality heart attack food served on paper plates with plastic forks and spoons for which we were paying far too much. With Francis Marie, we improved the quality of the banquet presentation as well at the menu for nearly the same price. Francis Marie retired this year so we needed another caterer. Joey Bell came highly recommended and has catered events for some of the club members. With Francis Marie, we had opportunity for improvement and we exercised them over the first few years. An can do the same with Joey. As far as the price, the banquet, including the food, beverages, room and speaker compensation cost us nearly $50/person. The red and white wine was put in the refrigerator at 1:00 in the afternoon and was not removed until 4:00. 3. Buying and Selling I heard from many dealers that they had poor sales. My job is to bring in people interested in seeing your product and it is your job to close the sale on your product. If you didn't sell your product it may be because you had the wrong product, the price of the product was too high or your buyers were not prepared to let go of their money in this poor economy. Bruce Peterson, CAPS President -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:32 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? A tempting invitation to share our thoughts...I agree with you, Jerry, the treasures were plentiful but the buyers were sparse. I had people with several machines on boths sides of me and one erson sold one machine and the other sold none at all, and he had some truly great machines. Having attended for over 20 years, beginning when it was held at Griswolds Hotel (remember what a sweatbox that place became by the afternoon?),I've had good experience of the show. I thought the attendance of buyers this year was lower than last year, and there was no swell of business at 9 am Sunday when the doors were opened to those who didn't buy early bird tickets. Many came to my table and admired items, but for the most part they were window shoppers. A lot of people seemed to be price tagging machines they had at home Oh I have my grandma's Victrola and it's just like this one. I even have some of those rare one-sided records!. I did find some good things, and there were a decent amount of spare horns, parts, etc. Todd Boermas had some great machines, horns and parts at good prices. I got a very unusual Tizit for $45 and stamped MADE BY J.W. KREILING, CHICAGO on it. I got a very nicely made and finished reamer for $25, and a very nice large Victor brass belled horn for my Monarch, in very nice condition, for $250. The banquet program was great, Charley was very entertaining. I could listen to him tell stories all night! The food was not so great. When Po Folks catered the banquet the food was good
Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
My apologies for the error on Po Folks, I wasn't aware we had changed. Francis Marie did a good job and I thought last year's banquet was very well done. True we have the opportunity for improvement by Joey Bell. I thought it was a good idea having people asked their opinion after the banquet, as that is the only way to make improvements. The wine may have been chilled, but we (my table at least) didn't eat until 6 or so, which allowed two hours for the wine to be at room temperature. I usually don't drink wine until dinner time, so that was my failing. The economy was certainly the culprit with buyers this year, as most dealers had items priced at what I considered very reasonable levels. There was certainly a wide variety of machines, records, etc. to choose from. Victor I's were priced from $795 to $900, Victor II from $900-$1050 or so, Victor III at $1100 and up, several Disc Graphophones at various prices, $795 and up. There was a nice Zonophone and a fancy Talkophone, Operas, a bunch of great things. I didn't mean to cast a pall over the show, as I had a great time socially if not business-wise. It is nice to see the people that you only see once a year and yet have the same camaraderie as if you had seen them only yesterday. That's probably the greatest thing about the show, the people! John . --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Bruce br...@accoladeeng.com wrote: From: Bruce br...@accoladeeng.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 9:57 PM As president of CAPS and the individual organizing the show I always welcome comments that will lead to improvement in what we do. I would, however, like to enlighten those reading this thread. 1. Attendance This year our attendance was up 10% over 2009. On Saturday for setup when the strongest buyers arrive, we had record attendance which was 14% higher than 2009. We had more people come in before 9 and had a line outside waiting for the 9am lower cost entry. We had George Paul write a feature length article for the West Coast Peddler in July which had his article highlighted on the front page with a plug for the show at the end of the article along with a quarter page ad. We advertised in nearly every hobby specific publication. We sent out about 500 direct mail postcards to previous attendees that provided their address. We distributed thousands of flyers. I even called K-Earth radio, who put me on the air plugging the show and offering free attendance to anyone who mentioned they heard about the show on the radio 2. Catering We left Po Folks years ago and used Francis Marie. The food from Po Folks was low quality heart attack food served on paper plates with plastic forks and spoons for which we were paying far too much. With Francis Marie, we improved the quality of the banquet presentation as well at the menu for nearly the same price. Francis Marie retired this year so we needed another caterer. Joey Bell came highly recommended and has catered events for some of the club members. With Francis Marie, we had opportunity for improvement and we exercised them over the first few years. An can do the same with Joey. As far as the price, the banquet, including the food, beverages, room and speaker compensation cost us nearly $50/person. The red and white wine was put in the refrigerator at 1:00 in the afternoon and was not removed until 4:00. 3. Buying and Selling I heard from many dealers that they had poor sales. My job is to bring in people interested in seeing your product and it is your job to close the sale on your product. If you didn't sell your product it may be because you had the wrong product, the price of the product was too high or your buyers were not prepared to let go of their money in this poor economy. Bruce Peterson, CAPS President -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:32 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? A tempting invitation to share our thoughts...I agree with you, Jerry, the treasures were plentiful but the buyers were sparse. I had people with several machines on boths sides of me and one erson sold one machine and the other sold none at all, and he had some truly great machines. Having attended for over 20 years, beginning when it was held at Griswolds Hotel (remember what a sweatbox that place became by the afternoon?),I've had good experience of the show. I thought the attendance of buyers this year was lower than last year, and there was no swell of business at 9 am Sunday when the doors were opened to those who didn't buy early bird tickets. Many came to my table and admired items, but for the most part they were window shoppers. A lot of people seemed to be price tagging machines they had at home Oh I have my grandma's Victrola and it's just like
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This was the 25th annual CAPS show Sale and even in a very tough economy, they sold more tables, had more early-bird buyers and more overall attendance than the last two years. Jerry is correct that there was a wide selection and some very good prices. It was a buyer's market! It was one of the BEST selections I have seen in recent memory. Machines did not seem to be moving as much as the small items were, which makes sense in this economy in an election year. I saw items for sale that I had never seen in 35 years of collecting. A friend bought a shaving device for Edison cylinder machines that fits where the reproducer goes! In the original box to boot! While some dealers were hurting for sales, others had a better-than-average year. Things go in cycles. Sometimes the biggest benefit from the show is not the sales or buys. We had a team that was filming the show for a future documentary on mechanical music. This would have worldwide distribution and could really give our hobby some great exposure and bring more (and hopefully younger) people into the hobby. The banquet was great. There were over 100 items in the silent auction and Charley Hummel is hard to beat as a speaker. It was great to see (The thought-to-be-lost Columbia multiplex machine) and hear (a 9 long cylinder with a larger diameter than a concert record) something that no one had seen or heard in 100 years! But one of the best things about the show was getting to see people like Jerry who travel from afar. We get tired of seeing all those local collectors :) I hope to see more people at our next show. Come snap up the bargains! -Scott Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? I attended CAPS last weekend and wondered what others thought of the show and banquet. Here's my thoughts... I thought the sale was well attended by sellers which provided a very nice selection of machines ranging from entry level to something for the advanced collector. I saw Berliners, Vic VI, Vic C, Rigid Arm MS, lesser Victors, Victor School Models, Edison Opera, Edison Concert, Edison Triumphs, several Homes, Standards, Firesides Gems, Columbia BII, Grand Piano Graphonola (incomplete), and many other brands and models. There was a large rear mount mahogany Zonophone with a matching mahogany Music Master horn priced at $2200 and I don't think anyone seriously considered it. Buyers, including the dealers, simply did not pull the trigger on many purchases. I saw a Victor School machine with a sold sign and believe a Vic III with oak horn sold but very few high end machines sold. I wasn't everywhere at once and I'm sure I missed things but very little left the building. In my immediate area, I know of a Standard and an Amberola 50 which were sold by dealers around me. I sold a 2-min Standard B with a reproduction 14 horn for $280 (1970's prices!) and a very clean oak Victrola IX (with new springs and rebuild reproducer) for $300. I had an all original Vic 1 priced at $725 for the last half of the sale with no serious lookers. On the plus side, the banquet was great. Charlie Hummel, assisted by Mike Khanchalian, talked about the discovery of the only known Multiplex Grand cylinder and partial mechanism. The cylinder was inside its metal tube but broken into several hundred pieces and mixed with broken pieces of other concert cylinders. Mike, the Record Doctor, has been working on the cylinder for months. We were able to listen to a recording of the first few inches of the giant cylinder and it was nothing less than thrilling. Charlie talked about collecting in general and he is always full of... well, Charlie is simply full of it and the great stories of a long time collector. He even wore a tie! Also on the plus side are the friendly people at CAPS. The club has made a great effort to welcome visiting dealers and buyers. What did you think?? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this?
So what is it? Jim On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: This is the Ruby Point, invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1. Unfortunately, the disc is missing its red stylus. Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne Sheble Aluminum Disc box which originally housed a similar item. George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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The Ruby Point was a replacement cup stylus meant for a Graphophone reproducer. The owner would remove the original metal stylus arm, cement the Ruby Point into place on the diaphragm, and enjoy the results. An ad in the June 1900 issue of The Phonoscope claimed, Sells Like Hot Cakes. Only $1.00. Increases the volume 50 per cent. Eliminates all blast; sweetens the tone. By far the greatest improvement ever made for the Graphophone. Consists of a glass base with hard composition tip. No trouble to sell this point. Needs only to be shown to effect a sale. Adjusted to your reproducer for $1.00. LIBERAL TRADE DISCOUNT. Beware of all metal imitations, with the point set in, they lack the brilliancy in reproduction which so distinguishes the Ruby Point. It's interesting that the Penn Phonograph Company should have warned against use of metal imitations, with the point set in (alluding to Hawthorne Sheble's Aluminum Disc), and then introduce a similar model as seen in the eBay listing. The earlier Ruby Point model with glass base is shown in Antique Phonograph Accessories Contraptions on page 72, Fig. 2-24. George P. -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 9:09 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? So what is it? Jim On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: This is the Ruby Point, invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1. Unfortunately, the disc is missing its red stylus. Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne Sheble Aluminum Disc box which originally housed a similar item. George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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So the Ruby Point is much smaller than a reproducers diaphragm? I can't get any idea of size from the picture. Jim On Mar 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: The Ruby Point was a replacement cup stylus meant for a Graphophone reproducer. The owner would remove the original metal stylus arm, cement the Ruby Point into place on the diaphragm, and enjoy the results. An ad in the June 1900 issue of The Phonoscope claimed, Sells Like Hot Cakes. Only $1.00. Increases the volume 50 per cent. Eliminates all blast; sweetens the tone. By far the greatest improvement ever made for the Graphophone. Consists of a glass base with hard composition tip. No trouble to sell this point. Needs only to be shown to effect a sale. Adjusted to your reproducer for $1.00. LIBERAL TRADE DISCOUNT. Beware of all metal imitations, with the point set in, they lack the brilliancy in reproduction which so distinguishes the Ruby Point. It's interesting that the Penn Phonograph Company should have warned against use of metal imitations, with the point set in (alluding to Hawthorne Sheble's Aluminum Disc), and then introduce a similar model as seen in the eBay listing. The earlier Ruby Point model with glass base is shown in Antique Phonograph Accessories Contraptions on page 72, Fig. 2-24. George P. -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 9:09 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? So what is it? Jim On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: This is the Ruby Point, invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1. Unfortunately, the disc is missing its red stylus. Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne Sheble Aluminum Disc box which originally housed a similar item. George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Yes - - less than half the diameter of the Graphophone's diaphragm. George P. -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? So the Ruby Point is much smaller than a reproducers diaphragm? I can't get any idea of size from the picture. Jim On Mar 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: The Ruby Point was a replacement cup stylus meant for a Graphophone reproducer. The owner would remove the original metal stylus arm, cement the Ruby Point into place on the diaphragm, and enjoy the results. An ad in the June 1900 issue of The Phonoscope claimed, Sells Like Hot Cakes. Only $1.00. Increases the volume 50 per cent. Eliminates all blast; sweetens the tone. By far the greatest improvement ever made for the Graphophone. Consists of a glass base with hard composition tip. No trouble to sell this point. Needs only to be shown to effect a sale. Adjusted to your reproducer for $1.00. LIBERAL TRADE DISCOUNT. Beware of all metal imitations, with the point set in, they lack the brilliancy in reproduction which so distinguishes the Ruby Point. It's interesting that the Penn Phonograph Company should have warned against use of metal imitations, with the point set in (alluding to Hawthorne Sheble's Aluminum Disc), and then introduce a similar model as seen in the eBay listing. The earlier Ruby Point model with glass base is shown in Antique Phonograph Accessories Contraptions on page 72, Fig. 2-24. George P. -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 9:09 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? So what is it? Jim On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: This is the Ruby Point, invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1. Unfortunately, the disc is missing its red stylus. Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne Sheble Aluminum Disc box which originally housed a similar item. George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this?
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It looks like maybe a sapphire holder for a Columbia or Pathe floating reproducer. Just my guess. John Robles --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] What is this? To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 6:30 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200449137442 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What is this?
This is the Ruby Point, invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1. Unfortunately, the disc is missing its red stylus. Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne Sheble Aluminum Disc box which originally housed a similar item. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:30 pm Subject: [Phono-L] What is this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200449137442 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
brice i so agree with you ebay is cavet emptor and this machine was cheap enough even if just for parts i am sure we have all spent more than that on a meal out happy holidays to all zono -Original Message- From: brice paris antqf...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:26 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchanan ret.army...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org hi i ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter how many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same feeling for an item as you do in person. Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken when a novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry misunderstands what is for sale and gets taken. -Barry On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchananret.army...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
The inability to see the item up close should temper what you are willing to pay! People that shell out $15k on a picture in front of them have more money or guts than I do or can afford...i.e the buyer determines the outcome. eBay has tried with many schemes to instill confidence in their sellers integrity. The final price is up to you. If you can gamble your money on a picture with someone you really don't know so be it.It seems to work. Just remember you decided to buy it with what knowledge you have in hand. I never write eBay sellers re: what they are selling, not to protect them or the buyer. Education is really their job. You want to put a Vic 6 with a BIN of $100 fine, you want to buy a crapophone for 1K fine. Like falling off a horse you will quickly learn to hang on. Oldcranky On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Barry Kasindorf barry.kasind...@gmail.comwrote: I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter how many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same feeling for an item as you do in person. Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken when a novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry misunderstands what is for sale and gets taken. -Barry On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchananret.army...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
Sorry, I came in late on this. Someone obviously attached the ID plate for an Orthophonic table model to another Victor. But which Victor did they attach it to ? and what was that crazy little turntable from ? - Original Message - From: Barry Kasindorf barry.kasind...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:29:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter how many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same feeling for an item as you do in person. Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken when a novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry misunderstands what is for sale and gets taken. -Barry On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchananret.army...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
Crapophone base, methinks ... they love those fake 1-90 plates - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Sorry, I came in late on this. Someone obviously attached the ID plate for an Orthophonic table model to another Victor. But which Victor did they attach it to ? and what was that crazy little turntable from ? - Original Message - ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
Wow, sounds like the ultimate in Crapophone Horror Shows !! Someone should grab and axe and smash it to pieces !! - Original Message - From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:38:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 The motor is a modern electric type - you can see the rubber idler wheel, and the platter is a modern type, probably matching the motor assembly. The cabinet looks homemade. It appears that the only collectible part on it is the ID tag. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Sorry, I came in late on this. Someone obviously attached the ID plate for an Orthophonic table model to another Victor. But which Victor did they attach it to ? and what was that crazy little turntable from ? - Original Message - From: Barry Kasindorf barry.kasind...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:29:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter how many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same feeling for an item as you do in person. Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken when a novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry misunderstands what is for sale and gets taken. -Barry On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchananret.army...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
The motor is a modern electric type - you can see the rubber idler wheel, and the platter is a modern type, probably matching the motor assembly. The cabinet looks homemade. It appears that the only collectible part on it is the ID tag. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Sorry, I came in late on this. Someone obviously attached the ID plate for an Orthophonic table model to another Victor. But which Victor did they attach it to ? and what was that crazy little turntable from ? - Original Message - From: Barry Kasindorf barry.kasind...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:29:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter how many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same feeling for an item as you do in person. Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken when a novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry misunderstands what is for sale and gets taken. -Barry On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchananret.army...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
Wow. What a kind thing to do, John. Restores a bit of faith in mankind! Way to go. Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:16:23 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 I wrote to the seller to gently educate her on the item and she said she was going to let the buyer off the hook because she didn't want to be dishonest. Let us know if she sets you free! John Robles. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
I'm a little confused and still drinking my coffee. What is the issue here and how was anyone taken? Maybe I missed something. eBay is what it is. I seldom buy there but it was a one line description with parts in the title. Three people bid and it went to $31.00. The under bidder was $30.00. Should the seller lose the sale and maybe the under bidder and why? Not trying to be harsh here but it seemed pretty straight up to me. Bidders have obligations too. I will have faith in people when they get a good deal and offer to pay what an item is really worth but that is the essence of an auction after all, imho. That is to say inherent in auctions are you pay what you are willing to pay and takes your chances. You pay to much, you pay to little, you buy junk, you buy good stuff. BTW I did make a recent buy on eBay, the shipping cost the seller more than quoted (eBay forces the issue), I told the seller I would pay the difference. He wrote back and said I would be the first, I said the CASH is already sent. I have a whopping 115 by my name and a member since early '97. I like to see what I buy and am very risk adverse. I will say eBay is a great source for parts. Oldcranky Mike On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.comwrote: Wow. What a kind thing to do, John. Restores a bit of faith in mankind! Way to go. Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:16:23 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 I wrote to the seller to gently educate her on the item and she said she was going to let the buyer off the hook because she didn't want to be dishonest. Let us know if she sets you free! John Robles. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
I'm confused, too. I didn't see any misrepresentation and the seller clearly labelled it for what it is... buyer's remorse more than anything here? Loran On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:26 PM, brice paris antqf...@yahoo.com wrote: I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchanan ret.army...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
Too bad, so sad. I agree that the buyers have a responsibility to research the item before bidding. At least he didn't pay hundreds of dollars for a crapophone I have no sympathy for the buyer, what-so-ever. Harvey Kravitz. From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 9:08:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 I'm confused, too. I didn't see any misrepresentation and the seller clearly labelled it for what it is... buyer's remorse more than anything here? Loran On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:26 PM, briceparis antqf...@yahoo.com wrote: I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
I wrote to the seller to gently educate her on the item and she said she was going to let the buyer off the hook because she didn't want to be dishonest. Let us know if she sets you free! John Robles. From: William Buchanan ret.army...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What a Beauty
Hi Douglas Most of the comments on the glass phonograph in question are written with a huge dose of sarcasm as its such an obvious modern fake. As a decoration I think the idea may not be bad (ok minus all the unnecessary garlandish stuff on this one) as one could then see all the working bits. Building a reproducer completely out of glass with glass needles :-) is also possible and would round off a see through machine brilliantly! As a kid I remember the Andy Williams show where he had a full size perspex machine on a piano which I thought was quite cool.
[Phono-L] What a Beauty
Indeee, I'm not an outside horn guy ay any means. But, with all of the hullabaloo about this glass job, I'm astonished to hear that it's not the superlative thing someone else had claimed. At thtis point, if a genuine outside horn phonograph were offered me, I'd have to call in a GOOD expert to look at it. You can get took oh, so easily! [Original Message] From: BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Date: 9/20/2008 11:57:48 AM Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/847932047.html Now that's better. The seller has come to his senses and dropped the price on this rare beauty imported from India, circa 1930. Now how can you pass it up?? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What a Beauty
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/847932047.html Now that's better. The seller has come to his senses and dropped the price on this rare beauty imported from India, circa 1930. Now how can you pass it up??
[Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!!
Yes, but some poor soul will BELIEVE it and pay out the nose for the thing ! - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What a Beauty That is priceless, someone should send it to the generous seller who is listing it, so he or she can incorporate it into the description. Bruce - Original Message - From: Douglas Curran batwings78rpm at msn.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty
[Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!!
Adding a description that sounds good makes even a dodgy item seem great. The last few Edison Talking Dolls on eBay have had the wrong heads, reproduction mechanisms, and newly made clothes but all went high with glowing descriptions. Likewise a poor fellow sometime back bought an early recorder that was fitted with a Standard Speaker stylus bar and offered as a rare original. The giveaway was the construction of the tube plate and the high serial number. So, while caveat emptor should be a basic tenant of bidding philosophy, even the best of us sometimes get sucked into a good speil. Don't give the enemy any ammunition ! ! ! Would anyone like to buy my genuine Enrico Caruso Edison brown wax cylinder? Best Wishes To Everyone, Al **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001)
[Phono-L] What a Beauty
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html My goodness, what a beauty and at such a bargain price!!
[Phono-L] What a Beauty
I wonder if there are multiple pieces of this fine example of art available? They would make fabulous gifts! I wonder if this $ symbol is intended to really mean U.S. dollars though? -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of BruceY Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:04 AM To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html My goodness, what a beauty and at such a bargain price!! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!!
Greetings: A friend and collector writes the following re http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html = Wow! One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho-Claxtophones! I surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain price. As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: Corn: A Benefactor to Man), where the clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines. None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia factory following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped the shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must have after all. That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it. Thanks for sharing! I hope that whoever buys it knows how to restore that case. The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines regular glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime. = Cheers, etc. Doug -- _ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008
[Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!!
Priceless. --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Douglas Curran batwings78rpm at msn.com wrote: From: Douglas Curran batwings78...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:43 PM Greetings: A friend and collector writes the following re http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html = Wow! One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho-Claxtophones! I surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain price. As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: Corn: A Benefactor to Man), where the clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines. None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia factory following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped the shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must have after all. That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it. Thanks for sharing! I hope that whoever buys it knows how to restore that case. The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines regular glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime. = Cheers, etc. Doug -- _ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!!
That is priceless, someone should send it to the generous seller who is listing it, so he or she can incorporate it into the description. Bruce - Original Message - From: Douglas Curran batwings78...@msn.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty Greetings: A friend and collector writes the following re http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html = Wow! One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho-Claxtophones! I surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain price. As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: Corn: A Benefactor to Man), where the clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines. None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia factory following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped the shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must have after all. That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it. Thanks for sharing! I hope that whoever buys it knows how to restore that case. The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines regular glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime. = Cheers, etc. Doug -- _ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What Will Sellers Come Up With Next?
Check out ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-0-Victrola-Horn-Phonograph_W0QQitemZ330264168112QQc mdZViewItem?hash=item330264168112 _trkparms=72%3A635%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A3%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Advertised as a Victor 0; but described as before the 0 (What ever that is?) It never ceases to amaze me the _ _ _ _ (four spaces for baloney) that is put on ebay. I just love the description and the fact that the 'motor guts, and, and, and, and, are not original to the machine. But yes, to the seller's mind set, this is a NICE VICTOR PHONOGRAPH! This is the kind of stuff up for sale today. I used to love horror movies when I was a teenager. Being in this hobby, the things I see and hear are beyond Friday the 13th! Hope all are having a nice and peaceful day and weekend. Brantley South Carolina /HTML
[Phono-L] What Will Sellers Come Up With Next?
Brantley, that's a model T Craponola, second version. :) Ron K
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment
So I was cleaning out some storage and came across what looks like a large 1920s radio horn speaker driver, which I must have picked up someplace years ago. It's about three inches in diameter, with a nine-foot cord, and it's quite heavy for its size. (The driver itself tests very good.) On the top it is embossed Atwater Kent, Phila and Type 5V. After doing some digging, I found an old ad for it on that great AK website. The ad lists it as a Phonograph Attachment, but says nothing about what exactly that is, what it does, and how exactly one would use it. I recall seeing some old ads where something of this nature is sitting on a motorboard next to a reproducer, but that tells me nothing. Does any out there know about these things? Anyone own one, or is anyone looking for one? I'll be happy to send you pictures if it'll help clear this up. Thanks in advance.
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment
What is is is a way to play an early battery tube radio thru the phonograph horn. You replace the phono reproducer with this and bingo, a large radio horn that sounds better than the small versions of the time and desn;t take up space. They are a cool collectible, made by many people. -Barry ny victrolaman wrote: So I was cleaning out some storage and came across what looks like a large 1920s radio horn speaker driver, which I must have picked up someplace years ago. It's about three inches in diameter, with a nine-foot cord, and it's quite heavy for its size. (The driver itself tests very good.) On the top it is embossed Atwater Kent, Phila and Type 5V. After doing some digging, I found an old ad for it on that great AK website. The ad lists it as a Phonograph Attachment, but says nothing about what exactly that is, what it does, and how exactly one would use it. I recall seeing some old ads where something of this nature is sitting on a motorboard next to a reproducer, but that tells me nothing. Does any out there know about these things? Anyone own one, or is anyone looking for one? I'll be happy to send you pictures if it'll help clear this up. Thanks in advance. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment
Several manufacturers made these, with Atwater Kent being one of the most popular. They allowed your radio to be played thru the horn of your phonograph. While this may sound silly to us now, in the 1920s the radio speakers were pretty feeble and rather poor sounding. And most radio sets of the day required that you separately purchase the speaker. For those owners who already had a nice phonograph with a good horn on it, these speaker drivers were a good solution. The speaker driver was less costly than a complete radio speaker, and in many cases the driver sounded better when played thru a good phonograph horn than any separate radio speaker of the day. This was especially true in the late 1920s if you had an orthophonic horn in your Victor console phono. The model number of the A-K drivers indicates the type of phono they were designed to fit. The 5V model indicates that it was designed for coupling to the Victor tonearm in place of the standard phono reproducer. I believe the ones designed for Columbia machines were a model number something like 5C. I don't recall if there were any A-K drivers made to fit Edison machines. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment So I was cleaning out some storage and came across what looks like a large 1920s radio horn speaker driver, which I must have picked up someplace years ago. It's about three inches in diameter, with a nine-foot cord, and it's quite heavy for its size. (The driver itself tests very good.) On the top it is embossed Atwater Kent, Phila and Type 5V. After doing some digging, I found an old ad for it on that great AK website. The ad lists it as a Phonograph Attachment, but says nothing about what exactly that is, what it does, and how exactly one would use it. I recall seeing some old ads where something of this nature is sitting on a motorboard next to a reproducer, but that tells me nothing. Does any out there know about these things? Anyone own one, or is anyone looking for one? I'll be happy to send you pictures if it'll help clear this up. Thanks in advance. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonographattachment
From my experience, the type 5V is the most common by far. I rarely see the other A-K variants of this driver. The 5V turn up moderately often on eBay and sell for 5 to 50 bux. They're probably the most in demand by people who collect both radios and phonos as they are a good crossover collectible. These were most popular in the period before about 1925. I suspect that not many of the later ones designed to fit the orthophonic phonos were sold due to the fact that radio speaker technology was improving very rapidly with the introduction of the Kellogg dynamic speaker in 1925. By 1929 the radios sets complete with built-in speakers were sounding better than the acoustic phonos and the reverse adapter become popular - an electric pickup that could be fitted to an acoustic tonearm and which was wired into your radio so that you could play records thru your radio! Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonographattachment Well, that explains it, then. Thanks for the info. I tried it out on a Victrola and it fit like a glove! According to this ad, AK also offered a Type 6C, which I guess would have been for Columbias, as well as a Type VE-O and a Type VE-E, both of which were gold-plated. I imagine those must have been for Orthophonics, or maybe Electrolas? So would this type of thing appeal more to radio collectors or phonograph collectors? (I'm both, but I don't have any 1920s sets anymore. I stick to the superhets these days.) Do they turn up very often? What do they bring? On 6/4/08, Greg Bogantz gbogantz1 at charter.net wrote: Several manufacturers made these, with Atwater Kent being one of the most popular. They allowed your radio to be played thru the horn of your phonograph. While this may sound silly to us now, in the 1920s the radio speakers were pretty feeble and rather poor sounding. And most radio sets of the day required that you separately purchase the speaker. For those owners who already had a nice phonograph with a good horn on it, these speaker drivers were a good solution. The speaker driver was less costly than a complete radio speaker, and in many cases the driver sounded better when played thru a good phonograph horn than any separate radio speaker of the day. This was especially true in the late 1920s if you had an orthophonic horn in your Victor console phono. The model number of the A-K drivers indicates the type of phono they were designed to fit. The 5V model indicates that it was designed for coupling to the Victor tonearm in place of the standard phono reproducer. I believe the ones designed for Columbia machines were a model number something like 5C. I don't recall if there were any A-K drivers made to fit Edison machines. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrolaman at gmail.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What is this? Atwater Kent Type 5V phonograph attachment So I was cleaning out some storage and came across what looks like a large 1920s radio horn speaker driver, which I must have picked up someplace years ago. It's about three inches in diameter, with a nine-foot cord, and it's quite heavy for its size. (The driver itself tests very good.) On the top it is embossed Atwater Kent, Phila and Type 5V. After doing some digging, I found an old ad for it on that great AK website. The ad lists it as a Phonograph Attachment, but says nothing about what exactly that is, what it does, and how exactly one would use it. I recall seeing some old ads where something of this nature is sitting on a motorboard next to a reproducer, but that tells me nothing. Does any out there know about these things? Anyone own one, or is anyone looking for one? I'll be happy to send you pictures if it'll help clear this up. Thanks in advance. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
