Re: [PHP-DB] Subject Matter
There are a lot of off topic emails sent. But there is far more whining and complaining. Good grief! On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.comwrote: On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: On 8/23/2013 4:52 AM, Matt Pelmear wrote: On 08/23/2013 04:36 PM, Lester Caine wrote: Matt Pelmear wrote: I am not sure who runs the list, whether they care about off-topic posts, or whether anyone else cares about it. The php lists are only loosely moderated, but comments like yours usually bring things under control. I'd refer you to my recent post thought as to why the current threads are not that far off topic ;) Indeed, that thread is one that is on topic... but I think the signal-to-noise ratio on this list is rather poor ;) If I'm the only one bothered by it, it's no big deal for me to unsubscribe... I just thought I'd check the general opinion first. I don't run into these problems on the internals list... :-) -Matt Funny - I never knew this list was handling off-topic posts that regularly. I always thought this list was about using php to access database info and the problems incurred, such as Ethan's recent post about his bad query code. So - this is supposed to be about database integration? I'll have to reconsider my subscription choice as well, just as soon as I look up whatever the heck that is. :) This is the description on www.php.net/mailing-lists.php: Databases and PHP This list is for the discussion of PHP database topics Nothing more specific than that. I, personally, don't know of any PHP databases, so I'm going to assume it means the broader interpretation of using PHP with databases. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DB] Subject Matter
*There are a lot of off topic emails sent. But there is far more whining and **complaining. Good grief! +1* Let's remember that not everyone on the list is an expert programmer or someone with years of DBA experience. The purpose of the list (IMHO) is to HELP others with their PHP/DB questions, or at least point them in the right direction so that they can continue to learn and grow. This is one thing I have commended the PHP community for, their willingness to INCLUDE people and be patient with newbies. Sure there are going to be off-topic conversations, questions that get proposed to the wrong list, etc - heck I'm guilty of it myself. But quite frankly (haven't had my coffee, be warned), if you're going to complain that not every message on the list meets your specific standards, then you're in the wrong place. Add some filters to your mailbox, or better yet, jump in and help out instead of complaining that your needs aren't being met. Just my two cents... - Mike ps - if you look on php.net it clearly says this list is NOT moderated... On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Thomas Rudy thomasbr...@gmail.com wrote: There are a lot of off topic emails sent. But there is far more whining and complaining. Good grief! On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: On 8/23/2013 4:52 AM, Matt Pelmear wrote: On 08/23/2013 04:36 PM, Lester Caine wrote: Matt Pelmear wrote: I am not sure who runs the list, whether they care about off-topic posts, or whether anyone else cares about it. The php lists are only loosely moderated, but comments like yours usually bring things under control. I'd refer you to my recent post thought as to why the current threads are not that far off topic ;) Indeed, that thread is one that is on topic... but I think the signal-to-noise ratio on this list is rather poor ;) If I'm the only one bothered by it, it's no big deal for me to unsubscribe... I just thought I'd check the general opinion first. I don't run into these problems on the internals list... :-) -Matt Funny - I never knew this list was handling off-topic posts that regularly. I always thought this list was about using php to access database info and the problems incurred, such as Ethan's recent post about his bad query code. So - this is supposed to be about database integration? I'll have to reconsider my subscription choice as well, just as soon as I look up whatever the heck that is. :) This is the description on www.php.net/mailing-lists.php: Databases and PHP This list is for the discussion of PHP database topics Nothing more specific than that. I, personally, don't know of any PHP databases, so I'm going to assume it means the broader interpretation of using PHP with databases. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- --- My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. John 15:12 ---
Re: [PHP-DB] Subject Matter
On Aug 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Michael Stowe wrote: *There are a lot of off topic emails sent. But there is far more whining and **complaining. Good grief! +1* Let's remember that not everyone on the list is an expert programmer or someone with years of DBA experience. The purpose of the list (IMHO) is to HELP others with their PHP/DB questions, or at least point them in the right direction so that they can continue to learn and grow. This is one thing I have commended the PHP community for, their willingness to INCLUDE people and be patient with newbies. Sure there are going to be off-topic conversations, questions that get proposed to the wrong list, etc - heck I'm guilty of it myself. But quite frankly (haven't had my coffee, be warned), if you're going to complain that not every message on the list meets your specific standards, then you're in the wrong place. Add some filters to your mailbox, or better yet, jump in and help out instead of complaining that your needs aren't being met. Just my two cents... - Mike ps - if you look on php.net it clearly says this list is NOT moderated... +1 ...and to add to that, to request that a list that is set up to help people only send you messages you deem appropriate is... how do I say.. a little selfish. Now, if you want to throw out the random rant about off topic conversations in hopes that it sinks into these newbies and that some day they too will trim the conversations down to the brass tax, then by all means vent away.. in retrospect, they need to hear this. Just don't go threatening to abandon the same thing you came to for help. JMO. Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
