Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0
Well, I think to start with someone or multiple people need to take a look at the PHP code and figure out just exactly what we want to do to it. I can help out. I am pretty sure that Daniel Beckham will as well. As far as I know, we want to: 1. convert all function names to a standard naming convention. 2. convert all function params to a standard order. 3. get rid of old aliased functions. 4. Make sure all return codes are consistent. Some are 1 or 0 some are true or false. What else is there? I am sure there is more. Brian Moon -- dealnews.com, Inc. Makers of dealnews, dealmac http://dealnews.com/ | http://dealmac.com/ - Original Message - From: Andi Gutmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Brian Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php developers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0 I think both for Zend 2 and for the cleanup version of PHP (if they happen at the same time or not) it is important to come up with how to do the development. We can either work in a branch or create a new CVS tree. They both have their pros cons, but especially for the PHP CVS which is a moving target it's going to be hard to make a cleanup and keep the patches in sync with the being cleaned version. It'll be easier for Zend because it is very stable and doesn't change very much. Any ideas? Andi At 05:27 PM 7/4/2001 +0100, Phil Driscoll wrote: On Wednesday 04 July 2001 17:12, Brian Moon wrote: FWIW, I am +1 on PHP5. There are a lot of things in the language that need to be cleaned up. People here more familiar with other closed languages have gotten confused about things like case, underscores, haystack and needle, the way some array functions return an array and some modify the passed array. There is just a lot of stuff like that. I'm all for making the radical changes at 5.0, its just that it seems like Zeev is keen on a shortish timeframe for the new engine, whereas I suspect that tidying up the language will take quite a bit longer. FWIW my vote is for us to make a concerted start on tidying the language with a realistic time frame of guess 1 year. If the new Zend engine is going to be ready much sooner than that, and it will only affect OO stuff and the business of accessing individual characters in strings, then that change should be to 4.1. If the engine is going to take a year, then we'll have a big pile of stuff to launch as 5.0 Cheers -- Phil Driscoll -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] Fwd: Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0
This discussion should take place on [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Jani Taskinen wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would go for PHP5, however that means Zeev will commit suicide... Why not jump over numbers 5 6 and call it PHP 7 ? :) Or do the Microsoft: PHP 2001 (j/k) anyway, this way we can also break a lot of other things and make the language clean. I can't wait.. :-) I'm also in favor of creating a new branch because this way nothing can be messed up on the PHP4 branches and we can do some really experimental things with it too. If the goal is 4.1, branch should be enough. If PHP 5/6/7, then it should be separate cvs module, IMO. btw. To get rid of some of the unmaintained extensions we should have some directory for them? Something like /old /deprecated /unmaintained ? --Jani patches in sync with the being cleaned version. It'll be easier for Zend because it is very stable and doesn't change very much. Any ideas? Andi At 05:27 PM 7/4/2001 +0100, Phil Driscoll wrote: On Wednesday 04 July 2001 17:12, Brian Moon wrote: FWIW, I am +1 on PHP5. There are a lot of things in the language that need to be cleaned up. People here more familiar with other closed languages have gotten confused about things like case, underscores, haystack and needle, the way some array functions return an array and some modify the passed array. There is just a lot of stuff like that. I'm all for making the radical changes at 5.0, its just that it seems like Zeev is keen on a shortish timeframe for the new engine, whereas I suspect that tidying up the language will take quite a bit longer. FWIW my vote is for us to make a concerted start on tidying the language with a realistic time frame of guess 1 year. If the new Zend engine is going to be ready much sooner than that, and it will only affect OO stuff and the business of accessing individual characters in strings, then that change should be to 4.1. If the engine is going to take a year, then we'll have a big pile of stuff to launch as 5.0 Cheers -- Phil Driscoll -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Derick Rethans - PHP: Scripting the Web - www.php.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SRM: Site Resource Manager - www.vl-srm.net - - Sascha Experience IRCG http://schumann.cx/http://schumann.cx/ircg -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0
Resending as we only got one answer... Andi Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:53:47 +0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Brian Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED], php developers [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Andi Gutmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0 I think both for Zend 2 and for the cleanup version of PHP (if they happen at the same time or not) it is important to come up with how to do the development. We can either work in a branch or create a new CVS tree. They both have their pros cons, but especially for the PHP CVS which is a moving target it's going to be hard to make a cleanup and keep the patches in sync with the being cleaned version. It'll be easier for Zend because it is very stable and doesn't change very much. Any ideas? Andi At 05:27 PM 7/4/2001 +0100, Phil Driscoll wrote: On Wednesday 04 July 2001 17:12, Brian Moon wrote: FWIW, I am +1 on PHP5. There are a lot of things in the language that need to be cleaned up. People here more familiar with other closed languages have gotten confused about things like case, underscores, haystack and needle, the way some array functions return an array and some modify the passed array. There is just a lot of stuff like that. I'm all for making the radical changes at 5.0, its just that it seems like Zeev is keen on a shortish timeframe for the new engine, whereas I suspect that tidying up the language will take quite a bit longer. FWIW my vote is for us to make a concerted start on tidying the language with a realistic time frame of guess 1 year. If the new Zend engine is going to be ready much sooner than that, and it will only affect OO stuff and the business of accessing individual characters in strings, then that change should be to 4.1. If the engine is going to take a year, then we'll have a big pile of stuff to launch as 5.0 Cheers -- Phil Driscoll -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] Fwd: Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0
Right now we keep the main development on the truck and only branch out the releases. Ideally that's how we should keep doing it, but realistically the timeline for 5.0 is in the distant future, so I'd say let's make a new CVS tree for it -- call it php5. At 07:24 PM 7/7/01 +0300, Andi Gutmans wrote: Resending as we only got one answer... Andi Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:53:47 +0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Brian Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED], php developers [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Andi Gutmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0 I think both for Zend 2 and for the cleanup version of PHP (if they happen at the same time or not) it is important to come up with how to do the development. We can either work in a branch or create a new CVS tree. They both have their pros cons, but especially for the PHP CVS which is a moving target it's going to be hard to make a cleanup and keep the patches in sync with the being cleaned version. It'll be easier for Zend because it is very stable and doesn't change very much. Any ideas? Andi At 05:27 PM 7/4/2001 +0100, Phil Driscoll wrote: On Wednesday 04 July 2001 17:12, Brian Moon wrote: FWIW, I am +1 on PHP5. There are a lot of things in the language that need to be cleaned up. People here more familiar with other closed languages have gotten confused about things like case, underscores, haystack and needle, the way some array functions return an array and some modify the passed array. There is just a lot of stuff like that. I'm all for making the radical changes at 5.0, its just that it seems like Zeev is keen on a shortish timeframe for the new engine, whereas I suspect that tidying up the language will take quite a bit longer. FWIW my vote is for us to make a concerted start on tidying the language with a realistic time frame of guess 1 year. If the new Zend engine is going to be ready much sooner than that, and it will only affect OO stuff and the business of accessing individual characters in strings, then that change should be to 4.1. If the engine is going to take a year, then we'll have a big pile of stuff to launch as 5.0 Cheers -- Phil Driscoll -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Andrei -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0
I think both for Zend 2 and for the cleanup version of PHP (if they happen at the same time or not) it is important to come up with how to do the development. We can either work in a branch or create a new CVS tree. They both have their pros cons, but especially for the PHP CVS which is a moving target it's going to be hard to make a cleanup and keep the patches in sync with the being cleaned version. It'll be easier for Zend because it is very stable and doesn't change very much. Any ideas? Andi At 05:27 PM 7/4/2001 +0100, Phil Driscoll wrote: On Wednesday 04 July 2001 17:12, Brian Moon wrote: FWIW, I am +1 on PHP5. There are a lot of things in the language that need to be cleaned up. People here more familiar with other closed languages have gotten confused about things like case, underscores, haystack and needle, the way some array functions return an array and some modify the passed array. There is just a lot of stuff like that. I'm all for making the radical changes at 5.0, its just that it seems like Zeev is keen on a shortish timeframe for the new engine, whereas I suspect that tidying up the language will take quite a bit longer. FWIW my vote is for us to make a concerted start on tidying the language with a realistic time frame of guess 1 year. If the new Zend engine is going to be ready much sooner than that, and it will only affect OO stuff and the business of accessing individual characters in strings, then that change should be to 4.1. If the engine is going to take a year, then we'll have a big pile of stuff to launch as 5.0 Cheers -- Phil Driscoll -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0
When I posted the other day about tidying up the language, I was hoping to get some kind of feel as to whether the new Zend engine would cause us to move to PHP 4.1 or to 5.0, since a move to 4.1 would allow us less opportunity to have a clean up than 5.0. (But moving to 4.1 would give us more time to think things through and get things done) Does anyone have a view? -- Phil Driscoll -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0
FWIW, I am +1 on PHP5. There are a lot of things in the language that need to be cleaned up. People here more familiar with other closed languages have gotten confused about things like case, underscores, haystack and needle, the way some array functions return an array and some modify the passed array. There is just a lot of stuff like that. Brian Moon -- dealnews.com, Inc. Makers of dealnews, dealmac http://dealnews.com/ | http://dealmac.com/ - Original Message - From: Phil Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: php developers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 6:21 AM Subject: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0 When I posted the other day about tidying up the language, I was hoping to get some kind of feel as to whether the new Zend engine would cause us to move to PHP 4.1 or to 5.0, since a move to 4.1 would allow us less opportunity to have a clean up than 5.0. (But moving to 4.1 would give us more time to think things through and get things done) Does anyone have a view? -- Phil Driscoll -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] php 4.1 or php 5.0
On Wednesday 04 July 2001 17:12, Brian Moon wrote: FWIW, I am +1 on PHP5. There are a lot of things in the language that need to be cleaned up. People here more familiar with other closed languages have gotten confused about things like case, underscores, haystack and needle, the way some array functions return an array and some modify the passed array. There is just a lot of stuff like that. I'm all for making the radical changes at 5.0, its just that it seems like Zeev is keen on a shortish timeframe for the new engine, whereas I suspect that tidying up the language will take quite a bit longer. FWIW my vote is for us to make a concerted start on tidying the language with a realistic time frame of guess 1 year. If the new Zend engine is going to be ready much sooner than that, and it will only affect OO stuff and the business of accessing individual characters in strings, then that change should be to 4.1. If the engine is going to take a year, then we'll have a big pile of stuff to launch as 5.0 Cheers -- Phil Driscoll -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
