Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Yasuo Ohgaki]

James Cox wrote:
> i'm debating it still.. but i think it's still too early to release
> publically even an alpha of PHP5. I am thinking there are lots of things
> that need to be finished -- but i wouldn't mind seeing an alpha packaged and
> announced on the dev list.
> 
> --james

+1

Even if I would like to see PHP5 soon.

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>>-Original Message-
>>From: Sebastian Bergmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:40 AM
>>To: PHP Development
>>Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha
>>
>>
>>  'lo there,
>>
>>  what are the plans for the PHP 4.2.0 release? Shouldn't we branch
>>  PHP_4_2_0 from HEAD somewhen soon? NEWS already contains about 150
>>  lines of changes since PHP 4.1.1.
>>
>>  While we're at it: Andi mentioned some time ago that he'd like to
>>  release an alpha version of the Zend Engine 2 bundled with PHP as a
>>  tar-ball. Why not use the PHP_4_2_0 branch for that, once it's stable
>>  and Q&A'd, and release PHP 4.2.0 and a PHP 5.0.0-alpha based on the
>>  same /php4 branch, but with separate versions of the Zend Engine?
>>
>>  Just a thought,
>>Sebastian
>>
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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Zeev Suraski]

At 12:33 AM 2/5/2002, Björn Schotte wrote:
>* James Cox wrote:
> > with regard to the release of a v.5 [pre-]alpha, what are your thoughts 
> on a
> > developer vs public announcement?
>
>Will there be any revolutionary things besides of ZE2 inside
>PHP 5? If not, I would suggest a developer's announcement.
>Public announcement would disappoint people, IMHO (because
>I think they would expect something revolutionary of a new
>major-major version of PHP).

I think that the changes implemented are pretty revolutionary, but if 
people want some more meat in PHP 5, it's time to start working (read:  not 
talking :)

Zeev


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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Edin Kadribasic]

So where do we submit the bug reports :)

Edin


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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Björn Schotte]

* James Cox wrote:
> with regard to the release of a v.5 [pre-]alpha, what are your thoughts on a
> developer vs public announcement?

Will there be any revolutionary things besides of ZE2 inside
PHP 5? If not, I would suggest a developer's announcement.
Public announcement would disappoint people, IMHO (because
I think they would expect something revolutionary of a new
major-major version of PHP).

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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[l0t3k]

Andi Gutmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>However, I
> really want to get the object overloading stuff into the Zend Engine 2
> before this happens (hopefully this week). It pretty much abstracts all
> object manipulation making it possible to write some cool object
> overloading extensions.

this is _sweet_. i have something nice in the works that needs this badly
(im currently misappropriating andrei's overload code as a stop-gap
measure.)




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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Sebastian Bergmann]

Andi Gutmans wrote:
> However, I really want to get the object overloading stuff into the 
> Zend Engine 2 before this happens (hopefully this week).

  Ah, cool. Zeev promised a new ext/java and sapi/servlet implementation
  based on the Zend Engine 2's new object overloading implementation at
  the Internation PHP Conference 2001 in Frankfurt. :-)

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RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Andi Gutmans]

At 09:04 PM 2/4/2002 +, James Cox wrote:
> >
> > I think we need to think of a forum (possibly dev/qa/advanced mailing
> > lists) which is big enough in order to give it a thorough test
> > run and find
> > lots of bugs.
> > I wouldn't want this to be a complete public front page php.net
> > announcement. There are also lots of stuff other developers have on their
> > agenda for PHP 5 and I think once the most important features of
> > the Engine
> > 2 are ironed out we can afford to split off the PHP tree and do whatever
> > damage needs to be done there. Also I hope that the improved object
> > overloading will open up new ideas and possibilities for php-dev
> > developers.
>
>I agree -- i think php-qa and php-dev are sufficient for this
>particularly at this alpha stage.

I'd probably involve a couple of more advanced German mailing lists. I 
think there is quite a strong and advanced movement there but I don't mind 
either way.

Andi


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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Andi Gutmans]

At 04:00 PM 2/4/2002 -0500, Dan Kalowsky wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote:
>
> > I think this is probably a good idea.
> > What about Sascha's build patch?
>
>Sounds like an even better idea to me.  A new build system for a new
>engine.  And hopefully a whole lot of bug fixes :)

I meant a new build system for an old engine :)

Andi


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RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Lukas Smith]

> I agree -- i think php-qa and php-dev are sufficient for this
> particularly at this alpha stage.

I would agree as well

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RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[James Cox]

>
> I think we need to think of a forum (possibly dev/qa/advanced mailing
> lists) which is big enough in order to give it a thorough test
> run and find
> lots of bugs.
> I wouldn't want this to be a complete public front page php.net
> announcement. There are also lots of stuff other developers have on their
> agenda for PHP 5 and I think once the most important features of
> the Engine
> 2 are ironed out we can afford to split off the PHP tree and do whatever
> damage needs to be done there. Also I hope that the improved object
> overloading will open up new ideas and possibilities for php-dev
> developers.

I agree -- i think php-qa and php-dev are sufficient for this
particularly at this alpha stage.

james


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RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Andi Gutmans]

At 08:56 PM 2/4/2002 +, James Cox wrote:
>Andi,
>
>with regard to the release of a v.5 [pre-]alpha, what are your thoughts on a
>developer vs public announcement?

I think we need to think of a forum (possibly dev/qa/advanced mailing 
lists) which is big enough in order to give it a thorough test run and find 
lots of bugs.
I wouldn't want this to be a complete public front page php.net 
announcement. There are also lots of stuff other developers have on their 
agenda for PHP 5 and I think once the most important features of the Engine 
2 are ironed out we can afford to split off the PHP tree and do whatever 
damage needs to be done there. Also I hope that the improved object 
overloading will open up new ideas and possibilities for php-dev developers.

Andi


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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Dan Kalowsky]

On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote:

> I think this is probably a good idea.
> What about Sascha's build patch?

Sounds like an even better idea to me.  A new build system for a new
engine.  And hopefully a whole lot of bug fixes :)

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RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[James Cox]

Andi,

with regard to the release of a v.5 [pre-]alpha, what are your thoughts on a
developer vs public announcement?

--james


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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Andi Gutmans]

At 12:39 PM 2/4/2002 +0100, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>   'lo there,
>
>   what are the plans for the PHP 4.2.0 release? Shouldn't we branch
>   PHP_4_2_0 from HEAD somewhen soon? NEWS already contains about 150
>   lines of changes since PHP 4.1.1.

I think this is probably a good idea.
What about Sascha's build patch?


>   While we're at it: Andi mentioned some time ago that he'd like to
>   release an alpha version of the Zend Engine 2 bundled with PHP as a
>   tar-ball. Why not use the PHP_4_2_0 branch for that, once it's stable
>   and Q&A'd, and release PHP 4.2.0 and a PHP 5.0.0-alpha based on the
>   same /php4 branch, but with separate versions of the Zend Engine?

My main interest in an alpha is to get more people to play around with the 
Zend Engine 2 because it needs lots of testing and feedback. However, I 
really want to get the object overloading stuff into the Zend Engine 2 
before this happens (hopefully this week). It pretty much abstracts all 
object manipulation making it possible to write some cool object 
overloading extensions.
Also, I think it'd be nice to have Andrei's 'is' patch in too.

Andi


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RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[James Cox]

i'm debating it still.. but i think it's still too early to release
publically even an alpha of PHP5. I am thinking there are lots of things
that need to be finished -- but i wouldn't mind seeing an alpha packaged and
announced on the dev list.

--james

> -Original Message-
> From: Sebastian Bergmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:40 AM
> To: PHP Development
> Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha
>
>
>   'lo there,
>
>   what are the plans for the PHP 4.2.0 release? Shouldn't we branch
>   PHP_4_2_0 from HEAD somewhen soon? NEWS already contains about 150
>   lines of changes since PHP 4.1.1.
>
>   While we're at it: Andi mentioned some time ago that he'd like to
>   release an alpha version of the Zend Engine 2 bundled with PHP as a
>   tar-ball. Why not use the PHP_4_2_0 branch for that, once it's stable
>   and Q&A'd, and release PHP 4.2.0 and a PHP 5.0.0-alpha based on the
>   same /php4 branch, but with separate versions of the Zend Engine?
>
>   Just a thought,
> Sebastian
>
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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.2.0 / PHP 5.0.0-alpha

[Robin Ericsson]

On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 12:39, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>   While we're at it: Andi mentioned some time ago that he'd like to
>   release an alpha version of the Zend Engine 2 bundled with PHP as a
>   tar-ball. Why not use the PHP_4_2_0 branch for that, once it's stable
>   and Q&A'd, and release PHP 4.2.0 and a PHP 5.0.0-alpha based on the
>   same /php4 branch, but with separate versions of the Zend Engine?
> 
>   Just a thought,

A good thought that is :)

I know I don't count that high, but
+1

from me.

Hopefully php5 will contain more than just a engine upgrade?

regards
robin


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