Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP list server is banning mlemos@acm.org [Fwd:Mensagem automatica: User unknown [Usuario desconhecido]]
Yes, someone banned your email address from lists.php.net (fixed now). Personally, I find it completely unacceptable that someone goes ahead just banning people just like that. On behalf of the PHP Group, I would like to offer you an apology for this. - Stig On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 01:42, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, Anybody can provide a decent answer on why PHP list server is banning my address [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Manuel Lemos From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mensagem automatica: User unknown [Usuario desconhecido] Date: 04 Feb 2002 22:29:54 -0200 The original message was received at Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:29:17 -0200 (BRST) from [200.221.72.147] A mensagem original foi recebida em Seg, 4 Fev 2002 22:29:17 -0200 (BRST) vinda de [200.221.72.147] - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [Os seguintes enderecos de e-mail apresentaram defeitos permanentes] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Transcript of session follows - [Transcricao da sessao] ... while talking to pair1.php.net.: RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 553 sorry, your envelope sender is in my badmailfrom list (#5.7.1) 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... User unknown [Usuario desconhecido] Reporting-MTA: dns; toole.uol.com.br Received-From-MTA: DNS; [200.221.72.147] Arrival-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:29:17 -0200 (BRST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; pair1.php.net Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 sorry, your envelope sender is in my badmailfrom list (#5.7.1) Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:29:22 -0200 (BRST) From: Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [metabase-dev] RE: [PEAR-DEV] pearifying metabase: preparing phase 2 Date: 04 Feb 2002 22:32:46 -0200 Hello, Lukas Smith wrote: ok next week I will attempt phase 2 which will be to actually use DB.php as a factory to call metabase_database.php and start changing some of the method names and Don't bother to change anything in Metabase until you make the proof of concept and everybody agrees about the viability of this merger. Also keep in mind that that neither PEAR-DB nor Metabase development is halted, so if you change your copy of Metabase or even anything in PEAR-DB you may have to keep up with official changes that are being done in parallel, so it is better to avoid changing anything now. I will keep an eye that all changes to the metabase code can easily be hidden in the metabase_inferface.php (nobody voted on if they use access the metabase object directly or not ... so I am just assuming I don't have to worry about that) Or maybe that is because anybody in the list did not see the the invitation to the poll or understand what is it about. I must admit I was hoping for some more feedback on the stuff I wrote in my last mail (phase 1) .. but so it goes. Sorry, but I have been too busy with the move of host of PHP Classes site among other things. Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP list server is banning mlemos@acm.org[Fwd:Mensagem automatica: User unknown [Usuario desconhecido]]
Hello, FYI, I am (trying to) copy php.dev because I feel that it is the for the other PHP developers to know exactly who they are dealing with, especially because you speak as if you have the token from every PHP developer to speak in their name. Zeev Suraski wrote: At 06:03 AM 2/7/2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, Stig S. Bakken wrote: Yes, someone banned your email address from lists.php.net (fixed now). Personally, I find it completely unacceptable that someone goes ahead just banning people just like that. On behalf of the PHP Group, I would like to offer you an apology for this. Apologies accepted because I don't think the whole PHP Group would agree on such immature and coward attitude to ban me or whoever from this any other list. Just FYI, it was me, and I'm still working towards moving forward with this Honestly I must admit I am shocked. It is a known fact that you impose yourself to everybody when it comes to PHP decisions, but I really did not expect this level imaturity and especially the coward way that you did it before telling me in the face that you would do it regardless of what other developers may or may not think. I don't think it was wise from you and does not match the level of intelligence that I thought you had, not because you decided unilaterally without any public consultation, to ban my person, but because you banned somebody. Meaning, it would be equally bad for me if you made such power abusing decision to ban somebody else. ban in a formal way. Your existence on this list has caused real code contributors to sign off and quite a few others to consider it, and frankly, that's not worth it. Just because you have an elephant's skin, infinite patience and absolutely no tact, does not mean you can abuse an open list like php-dev the way you do. That is ironic to read that from yourself. Just the other day you were admiting that some key developers left because of you and just now you are trying reverse the impression of the other developers that are not fully aware of the facts and make me the escape goat, so it will look like as if all developers that left it was because of me. The reason why I say above that it was not wise is because people are not stupid and they will judge by themselves about who exactly is imposing to who to make them leave PHP development. I apologize(d) to the group@ for doing it without consulting/notifying first, but given the background, I don't believe you deserve any sort of an apology. You have only yourself to thank. The things you say... you're unbelievable. I am not an hipocrit and even though I fear further retalliation from you, personally I will tell you exactly what I think. I have fear from you, really, I am not being any cynic. I fear you not because you unilaterally banned me, but because you are really dangerous as I never thought you were. Actually, I think most people fear you now. If you are not sure, I think you will notice their because because they will be silent or otherwise will not speak a single was of disagreement against you. That is because if you dared to abuse your power to ban me, others that bother to challenge you from now on can expect any sort of segregation out of PHP development even if it is not an explicit ban. Anyway, most people already know that pretty well and so they remain silent to not suffer your retaliation. I think all those people that remain wisely silent knew very well that it is better to stay quiet than to be segregated. I admit it was naive of me to think that it could be otherwise. Now I am absolutely not surprised by the reports that you demand from the organization of a certain Open Source PHP conference to not accept the talk of a certain developer (not me of course) that was willing to make a presentation of a free product that competes with one of the Zend's commercial products. I don't know how much of that was exactly as described, but thinking about it, I don't wonder too much anymore about it because it seems you are try to do the same to me here. But never mind about me, I already spoke too much. I sense that one of these days the sh*t will hit the fan and that will not have nothing to do with me. So you rest assured that I am not going to challenge you further. Despite I dared to tell you what I think in your face now as ever, I don't want to have you as an active enemy. I don't hate you, I just fear you and will have to respect you because of that. So, don't expect me to try to do anything against you, if yo thought I would be capable of, I really won't. It is not of my spirit. My pockets are empty of ill feelings like the hate and will to revenge that seem to hold against me. I am sorry that the hate is in your heart, but please just forget that I was here if you can. I'll keep you posted as to if/when you get officially blocked from php-dev. I understood you're actually contributing on pear-dev, so we'll try
Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP list server is banning mlemos@acm.org[Fwd:Mensagem automatica: User unknown [Usuario desconhecido]]
It's your right, of course, and as always, you never avoid a chance to abuse php-dev for your own personal purposes. I tried to save php-dev the trouble, you don't care. php-dev'ers, please don't reply on php-dev. Reply to Manuel or me or group@, but spare the ones that actually want to spend their time developing. Zeev At 12:45 PM 2/7/2002, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, [Goodbye] Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP list server is banning mlemos@acm.org [Fwd:Mensagem automatica: User unknown [Usuario desconhecido]]
Manuel, maybe you shouldnt care about the problems of others, you should take a look at yourselve, maybe youll find the reason for that ban in your behaviour. regards, Peter Petermann -- Homepage: www.cyberfly.net PHP Usergroups: www.phpug.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHP Infos: www.php-center.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] VL-SRM Homepage: www.vl-srm.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stig S. Bakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:03 AM Subject: [PEAR-DEV] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP list server is banning [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Fwd:Mensagem automatica: User unknown [Usuario desconhecido]] Hello, Stig S. Bakken wrote: Yes, someone banned your email address from lists.php.net (fixed now). Personally, I find it completely unacceptable that someone goes ahead just banning people just like that. On behalf of the PHP Group, I would like to offer you an apology for this. Apologies accepted because I don't think the whole PHP Group would agree on such immature and coward attitude to ban me or whoever from this any other list. Anyway, I feel that the group core should prevent that anybody repeats this. Maybe it is that somebody has more passwords than should be trusted. Regards, Manuel Lemos - Stig On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 01:42, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, Anybody can provide a decent answer on why PHP list server is banning my address [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Manuel Lemos From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mensagem automatica: User unknown [Usuario desconhecido] Date: 04 Feb 2002 22:29:54 -0200 The original message was received at Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:29:17 -0200 (BRST) from [200.221.72.147] A mensagem original foi recebida em Seg, 4 Fev 2002 22:29:17 -0200 (BRST) vinda de [200.221.72.147] - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [Os seguintes enderecos de e-mail apresentaram defeitos permanentes] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Transcript of session follows - [Transcricao da sessao] ... while talking to pair1.php.net.: RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 553 sorry, your envelope sender is in my badmailfrom list (#5.7.1) 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... User unknown [Usuario desconhecido] Reporting-MTA: dns; toole.uol.com.br Received-From-MTA: DNS; [200.221.72.147] Arrival-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:29:17 -0200 (BRST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; pair1.php.net Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 sorry, your envelope sender is in my badmailfrom list (#5.7.1) Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:29:22 -0200 (BRST) From: Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [metabase-dev] RE: [PEAR-DEV] pearifying metabase: preparing phase 2 Date: 04 Feb 2002 22:32:46 -0200 Hello, Lukas Smith wrote: ok next week I will attempt phase 2 which will be to actually use DB.php as a factory to call metabase_database.php and start changing some of the method names and Don't bother to change anything in Metabase until you make the proof of concept and everybody agrees about the viability of this merger. Also keep in mind that that neither PEAR-DB nor Metabase development is halted, so if you change your copy of Metabase or even anything in PEAR-DB you may have to keep up with official changes that are being done in parallel, so it is better to avoid changing anything now. I will keep an eye that all changes to the metabase code can easily be hidden in the metabase_inferface.php (nobody voted on if they use access the metabase object directly or not ... so I am just assuming I don't have to worry about that) Or maybe that is because anybody in the list did not see the the invitation to the poll or understand what is it about. I must admit I was hoping for some more feedback on the stuff I wrote in my last mail (phase 1) .. but so it goes. Sorry, but I have been too busy with the move of host of PHP Classes site among other things. Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PEAR Development Mailing List (http://pear.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
