Re: [PHP] Convert UTF-8 to PHP defines
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 11:51 +0800, Guus Ellenkamp wrote: I would like if you stick to the original issue: can a PHP source file be in utf-8. It's not about the output, that is properly supported. Think it would be a good idea anyhow that PHP would support utf-8 source files as it seems utf-8 is going to be the de-facto standard for text files anyhow. Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote in message news:1274988834.2202.285.ca...@localhost... On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 15:28 -0400, Bob McConnell wrote: From: tedd The Unicode database uses the same lower character values (i.e., code points) as does ASCII, namely 0-127, and thus UFT-8 (8-bit variable width encoding) is really a super-set which includes the sub-set of ASCII. The Wingdings font that Ash refers to is the really the Dingbat char set in Unicode, as shown here: The use of UFT-8 encoding in everything (web and php) should present much less problems globally than it is trying to fight it. Thanks tedd, The real question is whether unicode is even relevant now that the UTF series is available. I see no reason to have to deal with two competing specifications, when one of them is more than adequate for the job and the other is not even finished yet. That's like the old days when a few users demanded we support both ASCII and EBCDIC. That didn't get very far either. Bob McConnell Bob, UTF is unicode (Unicode Transformation Format) Interesting enough to note, and not sure if Tedd knows this or not (he probably does!) but Chrome has a nice feature for those punycode URLs; it suggests the actual real URL instead once you type the domain in. Not sure about Safari right now, couldn't be bothered to fire up a VM just to check. I would assume Firefox handles these URLs well enough too. Tedd, does that URL actually go anywhere, as I got nothing when I tried visiting it, both the actual URL and the punycode version. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk Yes is the quick answer. There's no better way than to try it yourself. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Convert UTF-8 to PHP defines
On 28 May 2010 04:47, Guus Ellenkamp ellenkamp_g...@hotmail.com wrote:
And I need(ed) this stuff especially for non-ASCII characters like Chinese,
Arabic and stuff :)
Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote in message
news:1274976794.2202.274.ca...@localhost...
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 12:08 -0400, Adam Richardson wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Guus Ellenkamp
ellenkamp_g...@hotmail.comwrote:
Thanks, but are you sure of that? I did some research a while ago and
found
that officially PHP files should be ascii and not have any specific
character encoding. I believe it will work anyhow (did not try this
one),
but would like to stick with the standards.
Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote in message
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On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 22:20 +0800, Guus Ellenkamp wrote:
We use PHP defines for defining text in different languages. As far
as I
know PHP files are supposed to be ASCII, not UTF-8 or something like
that.
What I want to make is a conversion program that would convert a
given
UTF-8
file with the format
definetext1=this is a text in random UTF-8, probably arabic or
similar
text
definetext2=this is another text in random UTF-8, probably arabic or
similar
text
into a file with the following defines
define('definetext1',chr(t_value).chr(h_value).chr(i_value)...chr(x_value).chr(t_value));
define('definetext2,chr(t_value).chr(h_value).chr(i_value)...chr(x_value).chr(t_value));
Not sure if I'm using the correct chr/ord function, but I hope the
above
is
clear enough to make clear what I'm looking for. Basically the output
file
should be ascii and not contain any utf-8.
Any advise? The html_special_chars did not seem to work for
Vietnamese
text
I tried to convert, so something seems to get wrong with just reading
an
array of strings and converting the strings and putting them in
defines.
PHP files can contain utf-8, and in-fact is the preference of most
developers I know of.
Thanks,
Ash
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Because the lower range of UTF-8 matches the ascii character set
(intentionally by design), you'll be able to use UTF-8 for PHP files
without
problem (i.e., ascii 7-bit chars have same encoding in UTF-8.)
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html
However, if you were to use any of the multibyte characters of UTF-8 in a
PHP file, you could run in to some trouble. I use UTF-8 for most of my
PHP
files, but I've been sticking to the ASCII subset exclusively.
Adam
I don't use the higher range of characters often, but I do sometimes use
them for things like the graphical glyphs (½??, etc) I know I could do
those with regular text and the Wingdings font, but that's not available
on every computer, and breaks the semantic meaning behind the glyphs.
Thanks,
Ash
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Do you mean ...
?php
echo '早晨好';
?
If you cut and paste that into your editor, make sure that the font
you are using is a UTF-8 font. Otherwise you will see the font's
unknown symbol glyph rather than the correct ones.
If your font doesn't have the symbols, it doesn't affect the code. The
editor is only displaying the code. It doesn't alter the code.
Richard.
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RE: [PHP] Convert UTF-8 to PHP defines
Bob wrtote: The real question is whether unicode is even relevant now that the UTF series is available. Ashley answered: Bob, UTF is unicode (Unicode Transformation Format) Yes, Ashley is correct. UTF-8 is Unicode, as is UTF-16 and UTF-32, which all use different a number of bytes for each code point. Both UTF-8 and UTF-16 are variable length whereas UTF-32 is a fixed length of four bytes per code point. As is my understanding, UTF-8 will accommodate all the languages (glyphs) of the world and then some. It will be a while before we need UTF-16 or UTF-32 but those are just a larger super-sets. In any event, I always use UTF-8 in all my encoding. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Convert UTF-8 to PHP defines
At 8:33 PM +0100 5/27/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Tedd, does that URL actually go anywhere, as I got nothing when I tried visiting it, both the actual URL and the punycode version. Ash: Try it again (it worked for me). In any event, the link was supposed to be redirected to this site: http://xn--fci.com If you run Safari, then the url will be shown as a check-mark. My most popular IDNS site is square-root dot com (option v): http://xn--19g.com The story about that site is on the web page -- you may read if interested. The site receives over 150 unique Mac visitors per day and that number keeps climbing -- I don't know why. For example, one day I had over 800 visitors from Spain -- why??? Obviously, I'm trying to sell the domain (for 6 figures), but have had no takers. I can always get back into Macintosh software development and use the site to sell my own apps -- that's an option I ponder whenever my clients don't call me for a week. Who knows what may happen. Cheers, tedd PS: I have over a dozen IDNS domains including the Pharmaceutical Icon, Yin-Yang Symbol, Sigma, Delta, and DOT dot com (option 8). -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms
At 9:19 PM -0400 5/27/10, Alice Wei wrote: I am not sure how to add to the page you have set up, but here is the code with ther portion you have set up: ?php $start = isset($_POST['start']) ? $_POST['start'] : null; ? form action= method=post p Select the type of your starting point of interest:br input type=text name=start value=?php echo($start);? size=20 br / Which Semster is this: select name=semester option value=FallFall/option option value=SpringSpring/option option value=SummerSummer/option /selectbr/ input type=submit name=submit value=Submit /p /form Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. Hope this answers your question. Alice : I didn't have a question, but here's my revision of your code: http://www.webbytedd.com//alice1/ Please review the code and see how: 1) I captured the select value; 2) and how I used that value to focus the selected option. You say: Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. I've never put anything on the ajax -- that doesn't make sense. Ajax is simply a way to communicate from the browser to the server and back again without requiring a browser refresh. As the user triggers a client-side event (i.e., click, select, enter text, move a mouse, whatever), a javascript routine then sends data to the server to activate a server-side script, which may, or may not, return data. For example -- with javascript turned ON please review: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ This is simply a one page template that uses an ajax routine to retrieve data from the server to populate the page based upon what the user triggers (i.e., the visitor clicks a navigational link). If you will review the HTML source code, you will find a very basic HTML template that will remain static for all three apparent pages. If you use the FireFox browser you can review the generated HTML. Now where did the generated HTML come from, you might ask? It came from the server after a request was made from the client to the server and the server responded with the correct data -- all without requiring a browser refresh. That's an example of how ajax works. Keep in mind that using best practices requires you to *first* design forms to collect data WITHOUT requiring javascript and then you can enhance the form to provide additional functionality to those who have javascript turned on. Also keep in mind that you may not need ajax to alter the form. You only need ajax if there is data on the server that needs to be retrieved. Now, please turn javascript OFF in your browser and review my page again: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ That's an example of NOT following best practices. The visitor is provided nothing if they have javascript turned OFF. Now considering such, what additional functionality do you want your form to do that can't be done already? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Convert UTF-8 to PHP defines
On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:13:35 -0400, tedd wrote:
Bob wrtote:
The real question is whether unicode is even relevant now that the UTF
series is available.
Ashley answered:
Bob, UTF is unicode (Unicode Transformation Format)
Or more precisely, UTF-{8,16,32} are different ways to
serialize Unicode code points into sequences of octets
that makes it possible to store and transmit Unicode
data.
Yes, Ashley is correct. UTF-8 is Unicode, as is UTF-16 and UTF-32,
which all use different a number of bytes for each code point. Both
UTF-8 and UTF-16 are variable length whereas UTF-32 is a fixed length
of four bytes per code point.
As is my understanding, UTF-8 will accommodate all the languages
(glyphs) of the world and then some. It will be a while before we
need UTF-16 or UTF-32 but those are just a larger super-sets.
*blink*
They are all capable of representing the full Unicode
range, which is restricted to U+ - U+10.
The theoretical limits are:
UTF-8 [0 - 7fff]
UTF-16 [0 - 10]
UTF-32 [0 - ]
Also, there are many, many, *many* more glyphs than
characters (code point) in the world. As an example,
www.fonts.com lists 165,125 fonts. Every one has a
*different* glyph for the characer A...
/Nisse
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RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:34:55 -0400 To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu; php-general@lists.php.net From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms At 9:19 PM -0400 5/27/10, Alice Wei wrote: I am not sure how to add to the page you have set up, but here is the code with ther portion you have set up: ?php $start = isset($_POST['start']) ? $_POST['start'] : null; ? form action= method=post p Select the type of your starting point of interest:br input type=text name=start value=?php echo($start);? size=20 br / Which Semster is this: select name=semester option value=FallFall/option option value=SpringSpring/option option value=SummerSummer/option /selectbr/ input type=submit name=submit value=Submit /p /form Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. Hope this answers your question. Alice : I didn't have a question, but here's my revision of your code: http://www.webbytedd.com//alice1/ Please review the code and see how: 1) I captured the select value; 2) and how I used that value to focus the selected option. You say: Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. I've never put anything on the ajax -- that doesn't make sense. Ajax is simply a way to communicate from the browser to the server and back again without requiring a browser refresh. As the user triggers a client-side event (i.e., click, select, enter text, move a mouse, whatever), a javascript routine then sends data to the server to activate a server-side script, which may, or may not, return data. For example -- with javascript turned ON please review: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ This is simply a one page template that uses an ajax routine to retrieve data from the server to populate the page based upon what the user triggers (i.e., the visitor clicks a navigational link). If you will review the HTML source code, you will find a very basic HTML template that will remain static for all three apparent pages. If you use the FireFox browser you can review the generated HTML. Now where did the generated HTML come from, you might ask? It came from the server after a request was made from the client to the server and the server responded with the correct data -- all without requiring a browser refresh. That's an example of how ajax works. Keep in mind that using best practices requires you to *first* design forms to collect data WITHOUT requiring javascript and then you can enhance the form to provide additional functionality to those who have javascript turned on. Also keep in mind that you may not need ajax to alter the form. You only need ajax if there is data on the server that needs to be retrieved. Now, please turn javascript OFF in your browser and review my page again: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ That's an example of NOT following best practices. The visitor is provided nothing if they have javascript turned OFF. Now considering such, what additional functionality do you want your form to do that can't be done already? Cheers, tedd -- Tedd, What I am trying to find out is, when I have my form with a dependent select menu, how can I pass the value of the select menu to another page? I have mentioned in the initial email that if I just allow users to type stuff, it passes the form back to itself and works. However, what I want to do is to allow users click one radio button/checkbox, and use that value to determine which select menu to bring up. However, the information I am only interested in storing, is the value of the select menu and not the radio button/checkbox. Am I making sense here? Alice --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:00 -0400, Alice Wei wrote: Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:34:55 -0400 To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu; php-general@lists.php.net From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms At 9:19 PM -0400 5/27/10, Alice Wei wrote: I am not sure how to add to the page you have set up, but here is the code with ther portion you have set up: ?php $start = isset($_POST['start']) ? $_POST['start'] : null; ? form action= method=post p Select the type of your starting point of interest:br input type=text name=start value=?php echo($start);? size=20 br / Which Semster is this: select name=semester option value=FallFall/option option value=SpringSpring/option option value=SummerSummer/option /selectbr/ input type=submit name=submit value=Submit /p /form Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. Hope this answers your question. Alice : I didn't have a question, but here's my revision of your code: http://www.webbytedd.com//alice1/ Please review the code and see how: 1) I captured the select value; 2) and how I used that value to focus the selected option. You say: Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. I've never put anything on the ajax -- that doesn't make sense. Ajax is simply a way to communicate from the browser to the server and back again without requiring a browser refresh. As the user triggers a client-side event (i.e., click, select, enter text, move a mouse, whatever), a javascript routine then sends data to the server to activate a server-side script, which may, or may not, return data. For example -- with javascript turned ON please review: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ This is simply a one page template that uses an ajax routine to retrieve data from the server to populate the page based upon what the user triggers (i.e., the visitor clicks a navigational link). If you will review the HTML source code, you will find a very basic HTML template that will remain static for all three apparent pages. If you use the FireFox browser you can review the generated HTML. Now where did the generated HTML come from, you might ask? It came from the server after a request was made from the client to the server and the server responded with the correct data -- all without requiring a browser refresh. That's an example of how ajax works. Keep in mind that using best practices requires you to *first* design forms to collect data WITHOUT requiring javascript and then you can enhance the form to provide additional functionality to those who have javascript turned on. Also keep in mind that you may not need ajax to alter the form. You only need ajax if there is data on the server that needs to be retrieved. Now, please turn javascript OFF in your browser and review my page again: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ That's an example of NOT following best practices. The visitor is provided nothing if they have javascript turned OFF. Now considering such, what additional functionality do you want your form to do that can't be done already? Cheers, tedd -- Tedd, What I am trying to find out is, when I have my form with a dependent select menu, how can I pass the value of the select menu to another page? I have mentioned in the initial email that if I just allow users to type stuff, it passes the form back to itself and works. However, what I want to do is to allow users click one radio button/checkbox, and use that value to determine which select menu to bring up. However, the information I am only interested in storing, is the value of the select menu and not the radio button/checkbox. Am I making sense here? Alice --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 You could do this a couple of ways: 1) Have all the possible form elements you need and show the one the user needs with Javascript 2) Use ajax to grab the select list you need based on the users selection and add it in to the current form. It doesn't matter if you submit more form elements than you need, just don't use them when the form is submitted to the php script. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms
Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms From: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu CC: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 20:05:29 +0100 On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:00 -0400, Alice Wei wrote: Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:34:55 -0400 To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu; php-general@lists.php.net From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms At 9:19 PM -0400 5/27/10, Alice Wei wrote: I am not sure how to add to the page you have set up, but here is the code with ther portion you have set up: ?php $start = isset($_POST['start']) ? $_POST['start'] : null; ? form action= method=post p Select the type of your starting point of interest:br input type=text name=start value=?php echo($start);? size=20 br / Which Semster is this: select name=semester option value=FallFall/option option value=SpringSpring/option option value=SummerSummer/option /selectbr/ input type=submit name=submit value=Submit /p /form Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. Hope this answers your question. Alice : I didn't have a question, but here's my revision of your code: http://www.webbytedd.com//alice1/ Please review the code and see how: 1) I captured the select value; 2) and how I used that value to focus the selected option. You say: Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. I've never put anything on the ajax -- that doesn't make sense. Ajax is simply a way to communicate from the browser to the server and back again without requiring a browser refresh. As the user triggers a client-side event (i.e., click, select, enter text, move a mouse, whatever), a javascript routine then sends data to the server to activate a server-side script, which may, or may not, return data. For example -- with javascript turned ON please review: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ This is simply a one page template that uses an ajax routine to retrieve data from the server to populate the page based upon what the user triggers (i.e., the visitor clicks a navigational link). If you will review the HTML source code, you will find a very basic HTML template that will remain static for all three apparent pages. If you use the FireFox browser you can review the generated HTML. Now where did the generated HTML come from, you might ask? It came from the server after a request was made from the client to the server and the server responded with the correct data -- all without requiring a browser refresh. That's an example of how ajax works. Keep in mind that using best practices requires you to *first* design forms to collect data WITHOUT requiring javascript and then you can enhance the form to provide additional functionality to those who have javascript turned on. Also keep in mind that you may not need ajax to alter the form. You only need ajax if there is data on the server that needs to be retrieved. Now, please turn javascript OFF in your browser and review my page again: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ That's an example of NOT following best practices. The visitor is provided nothing if they have javascript turned OFF. Now considering such, what additional functionality do you want your form to do that can't be done already? Cheers, tedd -- Tedd, What I am trying to find out is, when I have my form with a dependent select menu, how can I pass the value of the select menu to another page? I have mentioned in the initial email that if I just allow users to type stuff, it passes the form back to itself and works. However, what I want to do is to allow users click one radio button/checkbox, and use that value to determine which select menu to bring up. However, the information I am only interested in storing, is the value of the select menu and not the radio button/checkbox. Am I making sense here? Alice --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 You could do this a couple of ways: 1) Have all the possible form elements you need and show the one the user needs with Javascript 2) Use ajax to grab the select list you need based on the users selection and add it in to the current form. It doesn't matter if you submit more form elements than you need, just don't use them
RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:12 -0400, Alice Wei wrote: Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms From: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu CC: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 20:05:29 +0100 On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:00 -0400, Alice Wei wrote: Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:34:55 -0400 To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu; php-general@lists.php.net From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms At 9:19 PM -0400 5/27/10, Alice Wei wrote: I am not sure how to add to the page you have set up, but here is the code with ther portion you have set up: ?php $start = isset($_POST['start']) ? $_POST['start'] : null; ? form action= method=post p Select the type of your starting point of interest:br input type=text name=start value=?php echo($start);? size=20 br / Which Semster is this: select name=semester option value=FallFall/option option value=SpringSpring/option option value=SummerSummer/option /selectbr/ input type=submit name=submit value=Submit /p /form Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. Hope this answers your question. Alice : I didn't have a question, but here's my revision of your code: http://www.webbytedd.com//alice1/ Please review the code and see how: 1) I captured the select value; 2) and how I used that value to focus the selected option. You say: Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. I've never put anything on the ajax -- that doesn't make sense. Ajax is simply a way to communicate from the browser to the server and back again without requiring a browser refresh. As the user triggers a client-side event (i.e., click, select, enter text, move a mouse, whatever), a javascript routine then sends data to the server to activate a server-side script, which may, or may not, return data. For example -- with javascript turned ON please review: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ This is simply a one page template that uses an ajax routine to retrieve data from the server to populate the page based upon what the user triggers (i.e., the visitor clicks a navigational link). If you will review the HTML source code, you will find a very basic HTML template that will remain static for all three apparent pages. If you use the FireFox browser you can review the generated HTML. Now where did the generated HTML come from, you might ask? It came from the server after a request was made from the client to the server and the server responded with the correct data -- all without requiring a browser refresh. That's an example of how ajax works. Keep in mind that using best practices requires you to *first* design forms to collect data WITHOUT requiring javascript and then you can enhance the form to provide additional functionality to those who have javascript turned on. Also keep in mind that you may not need ajax to alter the form. You only need ajax if there is data on the server that needs to be retrieved. Now, please turn javascript OFF in your browser and review my page again: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ That's an example of NOT following best practices. The visitor is provided nothing if they have javascript turned OFF. Now considering such, what additional functionality do you want your form to do that can't be done already? Cheers, tedd -- Tedd, What I am trying to find out is, when I have my form with a dependent select menu, how can I pass the value of the select menu to another page? I have mentioned in the initial email that if I just allow users to type stuff, it passes the form back to itself and works. However, what I want to do is to allow users click one radio button/checkbox, and use
RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms
Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms From: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu CC: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 20:14:06 +0100 On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:12 -0400, Alice Wei wrote: Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms From: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu CC: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 20:05:29 +0100 On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:00 -0400, Alice Wei wrote: Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:34:55 -0400 To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu; php-general@lists.php.net From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms At 9:19 PM -0400 5/27/10, Alice Wei wrote: I am not sure how to add to the page you have set up, but here is the code with ther portion you have set up: ?php $start = isset($_POST['start']) ? $_POST['start'] : null; ? form action= method=post p Select the type of your starting point of interest:br input type=text name=start value=?php echo($start);? size=20 br / Which Semster is this: select name=semester option value=FallFall/option option value=SpringSpring/option option value=SummerSummer/option /selectbr/ input type=submit name=submit value=Submit /p /form Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. Hope this answers your question. Alice : I didn't have a question, but here's my revision of your code: http://www.webbytedd.com//alice1/ Please review the code and see how: 1) I captured the select value; 2) and how I used that value to focus the selected option. You say: Note, what I provided here does not include anything on the ajax. I've never put anything on the ajax -- that doesn't make sense. Ajax is simply a way to communicate from the browser to the server and back again without requiring a browser refresh. As the user triggers a client-side event (i.e., click, select, enter text, move a mouse, whatever), a javascript routine then sends data to the server to activate a server-side script, which may, or may not, return data. For example -- with javascript turned ON please review: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ This is simply a one page template that uses an ajax routine to retrieve data from the server to populate the page based upon what the user triggers (i.e., the visitor clicks a navigational link). If you will review the HTML source code, you will find a very basic HTML template that will remain static for all three apparent pages. If you use the FireFox browser you can review the generated HTML. Now where did the generated HTML come from, you might ask? It came from the server after a request was made from the client to the server and the server responded with the correct data -- all without requiring a browser refresh. That's an example of how ajax works. Keep in mind that using best practices requires you to *first* design forms to collect data WITHOUT requiring javascript and then you can enhance the form to provide additional functionality to those who have javascript turned on. Also keep in mind that you may not need ajax to alter the form. You only need ajax if there is data on the server that needs to be retrieved. Now, please turn javascript OFF in your browser and review my page again: http://www.webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ That's an example of NOT following best practices. The visitor is provided nothing if they have javascript turned OFF. Now considering such, what additional functionality do you want your form to do that can't be done already? Cheers, tedd -- Tedd, What I am trying to find out is, when I have my form with a dependent select menu, how can I pass the value of the select menu to another page? I have mentioned in the initial email that if I just allow users to type stuff, it passes the form back to itself and works. However, what I want to do is to allow users click one radio button/checkbox, and use that value to determine which select menu to bring up. However, the information I am only interested in storing, is the value of the select menu and not the radio button/checkbox. Am I making sense here? Alice --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 You
Re: [PHP] Convert UTF-8 to PHP defines
At 8:52 PM +0200 5/28/10, Nisse =?utf-8?Q?Engstr=C3=B6m?= wrote: On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:13:35 -0400, tedd wrote: As is my understanding, UTF-8 will accommodate all the languages (glyphs) of the world and then some. It will be a while before we need UTF-16 or UTF-32 but those are just a larger super-sets. *blink* They are all capable of representing the full Unicode range, which is restricted to U+ - U+10. The theoretical limits are: UTF-8 [0 - 7fff] UTF-16 [0 - 10] UTF-32 [0 - ] Also, there are many, many, *many* more glyphs than characters (code point) in the world. As an example, www.fonts.com lists 165,125 fonts. Every one has a *different* glyph for the characer A... /Nisse *blink* *blink* As you say, UTF-8 has a range of 0 to 7FFF Forgive me, but isn't that 2,147,483,647 (DEC) code points? Please note that 165,125 * 48 (upper/lower case) is only 7,925,952 code points -- IF -- each letter of each font was to have it's own code point, which is not the case for Unicode. Code points are assigned to specific char sets that belong to specific language sets, such as English being assigned to the code point range that is common with ASCII. From that, we can have as many fonts as your software can handle. However, ASCII 65 DEC (41 HEX) or code point 65 (41 HEX) is still tied to the letter A regardless of if it is Helvetical or Times. So, don't confuse code points with fonts. If you spend some time looking at the numerous char sets that Unicode offers you will see that just about every symbol known to man has been cataloged -- even Klingon was considered. From Dingbats to Architectural symbols, from simplified Chinese to traditional Chinese, from Greek to Cherokee, from skull/cross-bones to yin/yang symbol, every language in the world and glyph known to man has been included -- a truly massive project. IMO, it will be a while before we use up all the range Unicode code points provides. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] File Downloads
How can I go about restricting the number of downloads of a file on my server? Something like this could be triggered every time and then you can do whatever you want once it hits 150... maybe have it send you an email notification or something... http://www.stevedawson.com/article0007.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] File Downloads
On May 28, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Marc Guay wrote: How can I go about restricting the number of downloads of a file on my server? Something like this could be triggered every time and then you can do whatever you want once it hits 150... maybe have it send you an email notification or something... http://www.stevedawson.com/article0007.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Very interesting link. Thank you for sharing. Not sure how this could be tied into what I'm trying for. Would I add this to the function that did the downloading of the file? Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:12 -0400, Alice Wei wrote: What I am trying to find out is, when I have my form with a dependent select menu, how can I pass the value of the select menu to another page? I have mentioned in the initial email that if I just allow users to type stuff, it passes the form back to itself and works. However, what I want to do is to allow users click one radio button/checkbox, and use that value to determine which select menu to bring up. However, the information I am only interested in storing, is the value of the select menu and not the radio button/checkbox. Am I making sense here? and Maybe that is why I cannot pass the information on in the hidden value, but what have I missed here? Ajax? PHP? I am getting confused. Alice Alice: That's the reason why I am taking this in steps instead of hitting you with all the buzz-words you were throwing around when we started. If you don't know how to pass variables from one page to another, then why require ajax? That only complicates the process. There are several methods to pass variables from one page to another. You could have everything contained in a single page, but let's just solve your problem. To pass things from one page to another has been demonstrated to you in the examples I provided, namely: http://webbytedd.com//alice and http://webbytedd.com//alice1 Those forms are passing data as the user clicks submit. Now, you want the user to pick a value and then pass that value to a different page to bring up a different select control, right? Please review this: http://www.webbytedd.com//alice2/index.php That does everything you ask and it does it simply without ajax. From these examples you should be able to create just about anything you want. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] File Downloads
At 3:39 PM -0500 5/28/10, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: Hello, How can I go about restricting the number of downloads of a file on my server? For Eg: if I want a music track to only be able to be downloaded by 150 people and thats it.. ever, how can I go about doing this? Much obliged, Karl DeSaulniers Karl: Just have the download pass through a script that counts, such as found here: http://sperling.com/freeware.php When someone click the link, it activates a script that provides the download and saves a count. It would be trivial to stop the download at a specific number. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] File Downloads
On May 28, 2010, at 4:25 PM, tedd wrote: At 3:39 PM -0500 5/28/10, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: Hello, How can I go about restricting the number of downloads of a file on my server? For Eg: if I want a music track to only be able to be downloaded by 150 people and thats it.. ever, how can I go about doing this? Much obliged, Karl DeSaulniers Karl: Just have the download pass through a script that counts, such as found here: http://sperling.com/freeware.php When someone click the link, it activates a script that provides the download and saves a count. It would be trivial to stop the download at a specific number. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Hey thanks Tedd. Quick question. Were you referring me to this link to download one of their demos or just to show that they count their downloads? EG: Binary-Tree v1.1 Downloads: 2806 THX Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:18:21 -0400 To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms CC: php-general@lists.php.net On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:12 -0400, Alice Wei wrote: What I am trying to find out is, when I have my form with a dependent select menu, how can I pass the value of the select menu to another page? I have mentioned in the initial email that if I just allow users to type stuff, it passes the form back to itself and works. However, what I want to do is to allow users click one radio button/checkbox, and use that value to determine which select menu to bring up. However, the information I am only interested in storing, is the value of the select menu and not the radio button/checkbox. Am I making sense here? and Maybe that is why I cannot pass the information on in the hidden value, but what have I missed here? Ajax? PHP? I am getting confused. Alice Alice: That's the reason why I am taking this in steps instead of hitting you with all the buzz-words you were throwing around when we started. If you don't know how to pass variables from one page to another, then why require ajax? That only complicates the process. There are several methods to pass variables from one page to another. You could have everything contained in a single page, but let's just solve your problem. To pass things from one page to another has been demonstrated to you in the examples I provided, namely: http://webbytedd.com//alice and http://webbytedd.com//alice1/ Those forms are passing data as the user clicks submit. Now, you want the user to pick a value and then pass that value to a different page to bring up a different select control, right? Please review this: http://www.webbytedd.com//alice2/index.php That does everything you ask and it does it simply without ajax. From these examples you should be able to create just about anything you want. Cheers, tedd Anything I want? Seriously, I do know how to pass a non-dynamic element from one page to another page, but when I started researching on how to utilize dynamic menus based on user input, I found Ajax, until this problem that I am running into hits me. Is there some way that I could generate dynamic select menus without using Ajax? Or, is that asking too much? Thanks for your help. Alice -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3
Re: [PHP] File Downloads
The users will have gone through a registration and login to get to the downloads. The files will be served from MySQL and output to HTML of Flash. This is for a small project of limited edition audio or pictures or scripts, etc. Hens, I'd like to limit each user in the allotted 150 to be able to download (whatever it is) only once. But up to 150 users can get in on it kind of thing. Karl On May 28, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: On May 28, 2010, at 4:25 PM, tedd wrote: At 3:39 PM -0500 5/28/10, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: Hello, How can I go about restricting the number of downloads of a file on my server? For Eg: if I want a music track to only be able to be downloaded by 150 people and thats it.. ever, how can I go about doing this? Much obliged, Karl DeSaulniers Karl: Just have the download pass through a script that counts, such as found here: http://sperling.com/freeware.php When someone click the link, it activates a script that provides the download and saves a count. It would be trivial to stop the download at a specific number. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Hey thanks Tedd. Quick question. Were you referring me to this link to download one of their demos or just to show that they count their downloads? EG: Binary-Tree v1.1 Downloads: 2806 THX Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms
From: aj...@alumni.iu.edu To: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com CC: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:31:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:18:21 -0400 To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms CC: php-general@lists.php.net On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:12 -0400, Alice Wei wrote: What I am trying to find out is, when I have my form with a dependent select menu, how can I pass the value of the select menu to another page? I have mentioned in the initial email that if I just allow users to type stuff, it passes the form back to itself and works. However, what I want to do is to allow users click one radio button/checkbox, and use that value to determine which select menu to bring up. However, the information I am only interested in storing, is the value of the select menu and not the radio button/checkbox. Am I making sense here? and Maybe that is why I cannot pass the information on in the hidden value, but what have I missed here? Ajax? PHP? I am getting confused. Alice Alice: That's the reason why I am taking this in steps instead of hitting you with all the buzz-words you were throwing around when we started. If you don't know how to pass variables from one page to another, then why require ajax? That only complicates the process. There are several methods to pass variables from one page to another. You could have everything contained in a single page, but let's just solve your problem. To pass things from one page to another has been demonstrated to you in the examples I provided, namely: http://webbytedd.com//alice and http://webbytedd.com//alice1/ Those forms are passing data as the user clicks submit. Now, you want the user to pick a value and then pass that value to a different page to bring up a different select control, right? Please review this: http://www.webbytedd.com//alice2/index.php That does everything you ask and it does it simply without ajax. From these examples you should be able to create just about anything you want. Cheers, tedd Anything I want? On a second note, after looking at your example again, is it possible to generate what is on form 4 without having to push submit button on form 3? Or, is that another topic in Javascript or something else? Alice -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2
[PHP] authentication issue...
Hey Everyone,
So I'm sitting here on a friday night trying to figure out how in the
world I'm going to fix an issue that should probably be simple to me
but is escaping me at the moment
Take this authentication function:
?PHP
function authentication($authUser, $authPass, $cfgtableAuth){
// Keep in mind, PASSWORD has meaning in MySQL
// Do your string sanitizing here
// (e.g. - $user = mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['user']);)
$authUser = mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['txtUser']);
$authPass = mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['txtPass']);
$md5pass = md5($authPass);
$loginQuery = SELECT * FROM {$cfgtableAuth} WHERE
userLogin='.$authUser.' AND userPass='.$md5pass.' LIMIT 0,1;;
$loginResult = mysql_query($loginQuery) or die(Wrong
data supplied or database error .mysql_error());
$row1 = mysql_fetch_assoc($loginResult);
if($row1['access'] == 500){
foreach (array_keys($_SESSION) as $key)
unset($_SESSION[$key]);
die('account disabled');
}
if(is_array($row1)){
$_SESSION['userInfo'] = array( userLogin =
$row1['userName'], loggedin = TRUE, userName =
$row1['userName'], userPermission = $row1['userPermission']);
error_log(User has logged in: .
$row1['userLogin']);
}else{
//$_SESSION['userInfo'] =array(loggedin = FALSE);
die('authentication failed');
}
return TRUE;
}
?
Here is how I am displaying the login form:
?PHP
session_start();
$link = dbconnect($server, $username, $password, $database);
$page = $_GET['page'];
echo CSS
body
div class=contentwrapper
CSS;
include(nav.php);
if ($_SESSION['userInfo']['loggedin'] == TRUE) {
MAIN PAGE DISPLAY HERE
}else{
//Display login info
echo FORM
div class=dark
form method=post
p
You must login to proceed!BR /
User Name: input type=text size=20 name=txtUserBR
/
Password: input type=password size=20
name=txtPassBR /
input type=submit value=LoginBR /
/p
/form
/div
FORM;
if(isset($_POST['txtUser'])) {
$authUser = $_POST['txtUser'];
$authPass = $_POST['txtPass'];
$auth = authentication($authUser, $authPass, $cfgtableAuth);
}
}
?
Now... the authentication actually works, and it logs me in properly,
but I have to click the login button twice Ideally I should just
do it once, so I'm wondering if anyone can spot my grievous misstep
here?
Thanks in advance for the help and pointers I am bound to receive from
this list! :)
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Re: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Alice Wei aj...@alumni.iu.edu wrote: From: aj...@alumni.iu.edu To: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com CC: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:31:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:18:21 -0400 To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PHP] Select Values Didn't Get Passed in From Two Different Forms CC: php-general@lists.php.net On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:12 -0400, Alice Wei wrote: What I am trying to find out is, when I have my form with a dependent select menu, how can I pass the value of the select menu to another page? I have mentioned in the initial email that if I just allow users to type stuff, it passes the form back to itself and works. However, what I want to do is to allow users click one radio button/checkbox, and use that value to determine which select menu to bring up. However, the information I am only interested in storing, is the value of the select menu and not the radio button/checkbox. Am I making sense here? and Maybe that is why I cannot pass the information on in the hidden value, but what have I missed here? Ajax? PHP? I am getting confused. Alice Alice: That's the reason why I am taking this in steps instead of hitting you with all the buzz-words you were throwing around when we started. If you don't know how to pass variables from one page to another, then why require ajax? That only complicates the process. There are several methods to pass variables from one page to another. You could have everything contained in a single page, but let's just solve your problem. To pass things from one page to another has been demonstrated to you in the examples I provided, namely: http://webbytedd.com//alice and http://webbytedd.com//alice1/ Those forms are passing data as the user clicks submit. Now, you want the user to pick a value and then pass that value to a different page to bring up a different select control, right? Please review this: http://www.webbytedd.com//alice2/index.php That does everything you ask and it does it simply without ajax. From these examples you should be able to create just about anything you want. Cheers, tedd Anything I want? On a second note, after looking at your example again, is it possible to generate what is on form 4 without having to push submit button on form 3? Or, is that another topic in Javascript or something else? Alice -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 Alice, I'm not really sure what you're looking for, but this page has examples of forms that are dynamically generated using AJAX. Perhaps sifting through the code (and using tools like the Web Developer plugin) will give you some ideas: http://nephtaliproject.com/nedit/ Adam -- Nephtali: PHP web framework that functions beautifully http://nephtaliproject.com
Re: [PHP] authentication issue...
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Jason Pruim li...@pruimphotography.comwrote:
Hey Everyone,
So I'm sitting here on a friday night trying to figure out how in the world
I'm going to fix an issue that should probably be simple to me but is
escaping me at the moment
Take this authentication function:
?PHP
function authentication($authUser, $authPass, $cfgtableAuth){
// Keep in mind, PASSWORD has meaning in MySQL
// Do your string sanitizing here
// (e.g. - $user = mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['user']);)
$authUser = mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['txtUser']);
$authPass = mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['txtPass']);
$md5pass = md5($authPass);
$loginQuery = SELECT * FROM {$cfgtableAuth} WHERE
userLogin='.$authUser.' AND userPass='.$md5pass.' LIMIT 0,1;;
$loginResult = mysql_query($loginQuery) or die(Wrong data
supplied or database error .mysql_error());
$row1 = mysql_fetch_assoc($loginResult);
if($row1['access'] == 500){
foreach (array_keys($_SESSION) as $key)
unset($_SESSION[$key]);
die('account disabled');
}
if(is_array($row1)){
$_SESSION['userInfo'] = array( userLogin =
$row1['userName'], loggedin = TRUE, userName = $row1['userName'],
userPermission = $row1['userPermission']);
error_log(User has logged in: . $row1['userLogin']);
}else{
//$_SESSION['userInfo'] =array(loggedin = FALSE);
die('authentication failed');
}
return TRUE;
}
?
Here is how I am displaying the login form:
?PHP
session_start();
$link = dbconnect($server, $username, $password, $database);
$page = $_GET['page'];
echo CSS
body
div class=contentwrapper
CSS;
include(nav.php);
if ($_SESSION['userInfo']['loggedin'] == TRUE) {
MAIN PAGE DISPLAY HERE
}else{
//Display login info
echo FORM
div class=dark
form method=post
p
You must login to proceed!BR /
User Name: input type=text size=20
name=txtUserBR /
Password: input type=password size=20
name=txtPassBR /
input type=submit value=LoginBR /
/p
/form
/div
FORM;
if(isset($_POST['txtUser'])) {
$authUser = $_POST['txtUser'];
$authPass = $_POST['txtPass'];
$auth = authentication($authUser, $authPass, $cfgtableAuth);
}
}
?
Now... the authentication actually works, and it logs me in properly, but I
have to click the login button twice Ideally I should just do it once,
so I'm wondering if anyone can spot my grievous misstep here?
it looks to me like you need to move the authentication() call
if(isset($_POST['txtUser'])) {
$authUser = $_POST['txtUser'];
$authPass = $_POST['txtPass'];
$auth = authentication($authUser, $authPass, $cfgtableAuth);
}
above the check to see if the user has logged in, right after the
include(nav.php);
line. right now, when the user submits the form, your code is first finding
that the user isnt logged in, spitting out the 'please log in' portion of
the html then logging them in, so youre actually already logged in when the
form shows itself the second time!
-nathan
Re: [PHP] Convert UTF-8 to PHP defines
On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:52:09 -0400, tedd wrote: At 8:52 PM +0200 5/28/10, Nisse =?utf-8?Q?Engstr=C3=B6m?= wrote: On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:13:35 -0400, tedd wrote: As is my understanding, UTF-8 will accommodate all the languages (glyphs) of the world and then some. It will be a while before we need UTF-16 or UTF-32 but those are just a larger super-sets. Again: The theoretical limits are: UTF-8 [0 - 7fff] UTF-16 [0 - 10] UTF-32 [0 - ] In what way are UTF-16 and -32 super-sets of UTF-8? Also, there are many, many, *many* more glyphs than characters (code point) in the world. As an example, www.fonts.com lists 165,125 fonts. Every one has a *different* glyph for the characer A... As you say, UTF-8 has a range of 0 to 7FFF No, I said that's the theoretical range. It is restricted to [0-10] according to current specifications. If you spend some time looking at the numerous char sets that Unicode offers you will see that just about every symbol known to man has been cataloged Yes. (Except those that are missing). every language in the world and glyph known to man has been included -- a truly massive project. No. There are no glyphs in Unicode. This is spelled out for you in chapter 2, figure 2-2. Characters versus Glyphs. /Nisse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
