php-general Digest 21 Sep 2012 19:41:16 -0000 Issue 7974
php-general Digest 21 Sep 2012 19:41:16 - Issue 7974 Topics (messages 319168 through 319185): Bounce messages 319168 by: Lester Caine 319169 by: Matijn Woudt 319178 by: Paul M Foster 319182 by: Jim Lucas 319183 by: Ashley Sheridan 319184 by: Jeff Burcher 319185 by: Jim Lucas Re: about PHP's filter_var function 319170 by: Sebastian Krebs Re: PHP Bounce messages 319171 by: Tim Streater Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb 319172 by: Girish Talluru 319174 by: Samuel Lopes Grigolato 319175 by: Girish Talluru 319176 by: Samuel Lopes Grigolato 319177 by: Girish Talluru 319180 by: Ashley Sheridan 319181 by: shiplu Re: Warning at PDO:Firebird driver manual page removed. 319173 by: Davi Marcondes Moreira output compression when host has disabled mod_deflate, mod_gzip and php_value auto_prepend_file 319179 by: edward eric pedersson Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-subscr...@lists.php.net To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-unsubscr...@lists.php.net To post to the list, e-mail: php-gene...@lists.php.net -- ---BeginMessage--- I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Op 21 sep. 2012 09:41 schreef Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk het volgende: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? What exactly is your problem? I don't get it and I still don't see a problem here.. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:40:23AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) Not seeing bounce messages here. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail server IP is listed on a black list. Check the link below. http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127 This could be the source of your bounce messages. -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 09:56 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote: On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail server IP is listed on a black list. Check the link below. http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127 This could be the source of your bounce messages. -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people on the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service to prove you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking about? -- Thanks, Ash
Re: [PHP] Warning at PDO:Firebird driver manual page removed.
Davi Marcondes Moreira wrote: The question is: why the warning message was removed, and now this extension is safe for use, without risks of being discontinued or depreciated? Davi The current version of the extension is stable and a number of the initial bugs have been cleared up. If you use it you will find that it does work fine, but most PHP/Firebird users - like myself - stay with the php_interbase driver on it's own simply because some function are not available via the PDO driver. That only replaces the 'data' interface and does not address some of the control stuff. This is the case with many of the PDO drivers since it is not easy to provide a 'compatible' version of this across all database engines. I've still got FB1.5 on a number of sites mainly because of legacy apps that can no longer be recompiled, but PHP provides an additional interface to fill the gaps. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird-php/ is the home for a more in depth discussion and assistance :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Bounce messages
I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bounce messages
Op 21 sep. 2012 09:41 schreef Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk het volgende: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? What exactly is your problem? I don't get it and I still don't see a problem here..
Re: [PHP] about PHP's filter_var function
Am 20.09.2012 19:54, schrieb Jim Lucas:
On 09/20/2012 10:00 AM, Matijn Woudt wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Jim Lucasli...@cmsws.com wrote:
On 09/20/2012 02:35 AM, Sebastian Krebs wrote:
Plaseplease update... 5.1.6 is from 2006! I read the it's required,
but I can't imagine _anything_ that it's worth it to use such an
extremely outdated, unsupported and therefore insecure and inefficient
version... You know: There are 3 (!) new minor versions available right
now (5.2, 5.3 and 5.4).
However: Regarding your concrete problem I guess you can use ip2long()
if (ip2long($ip)) {
I would suggest a modification to this.
if ( ip2long($ip) !== false ) {
I suggest this because IP to long will return negative numbers for
half the
IP range. Therefor 50% of your possible results would be considered
false
when in fact they are valid IPs.
See Example #2 on this page:
http://php.net/manual/en/function.ip2long.php
First of all, I agree with Maciek that inet_pton is the way to go
because of IPv6.
But, there seems to be some wrong information in your reply which
bothers me.
First of all, ip2long only returns negative numbers on 32bit systems,
not on 64bit (which most servers are nowadays).
Second, there's nothing wrong with the if, if(-5) is still true. The
only difference is that you can differentiate between IP 0.0.0.0 and
false. But IP 0.0.0.0 is not valid anyway.
- Matijn
After some testing, I stand corrected. Wow, I wonder where I ran into
the issue of negative numbers equating to false. while loops maybe...
Strange. I must have ran into this issue years ago. I have always
performed strict (===) comparisons because I thought PHP would equate
negative numbers as false.
Learn something new every day...
You can find the full matrix here: http://php.net/types.comparisons
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[PHP] Re: PHP Bounce messages
On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the list, if possible. Why would I do anything else? -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Warning at PDO:Firebird driver manual page removed.
Dear Lester, Thank you very much for your attention. You gave me the exact explanation which solved all my doubts about using PDO:Firebird. Actually I'm building step by step a abstract layer file for general use on these projects, and it works fine for us, using the php_interbase extension functions. Unfortunately I can't share the code here, due to ethics contract. But I'll stay in touch in the discussion group you've sent and keep informed. Certainly I'll find more PHP/Firebird developers there. Sincerely, 2012/9/21 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk Davi Marcondes Moreira wrote: The question is: why the warning message was removed, and now this extension is safe for use, without risks of being discontinued or depreciated? Davi The current version of the extension is stable and a number of the initial bugs have been cleared up. If you use it you will find that it does work fine, but most PHP/Firebird users - like myself - stay with the php_interbase driver on it's own simply because some function are not available via the PDO driver. That only replaces the 'data' interface and does not address some of the control stuff. This is the case with many of the PDO drivers since it is not easy to provide a 'compatible' version of this across all database engines. I've still got FB1.5 on a number of sites mainly because of legacy apps that can no longer be recompiled, but PHP provides an additional interface to fill the gaps. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/**firebird-php/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird-php/is the home for a more in depth discussion and assistance :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=**contacthttp://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.**ukhttp://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- *Davi Marcondes Moreira* + Info: http://about.me/davi.m.moreira
RES: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb
I would start trying my DBMS user list. Or maybe you're afraid of impacts on PHP code? Cheers. -Mensagem original- De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com] Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:04 Para: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb Hi Guys, I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb. Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve? Thanks, Girish Talluru -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb
Samuel, Can you please send the DBMS list address? Thanks, Girish On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote: I would start trying my DBMS user list. Or maybe you're afraid of impacts on PHP code? Cheers. -Mensagem original- De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com] Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:04 Para: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb Hi Guys, I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb. Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve? Thanks, Girish Talluru -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RES: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb
Sure, the address you're looking for is: http://lists.mysql.com/ http://lists.mysql.com/ Good hunting =) De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com] Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:15 Para: Samuel Lopes Grigolato Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb Samuel, Can you please send the DBMS list address? Thanks, Girish On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote: I would start trying my DBMS user list. Or maybe you're afraid of impacts on PHP code? Cheers. -Mensagem original- De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com] Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:04 Para: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb Hi Guys, I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb. Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve? Thanks, Girish Talluru -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb
Thanks a lot Samuel. Appreciate your help. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, the address you’re looking for is: http://lists.mysql.com/ ** ** Good hunting =) ** ** *De:* Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com] *Enviada em:* sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:15 *Para:* Samuel Lopes Grigolato *Cc:* php-general@lists.php.net *Assunto:* Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb ** ** Samuel, Can you please send the DBMS list address? ** ** Thanks, Girish On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote: I would start trying my DBMS user list. Or maybe you're afraid of impacts on PHP code? Cheers. -Mensagem original- De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com] Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:04 Para: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb Hi Guys, I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb. Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve? Thanks, Girish Talluru -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php ** **
Re: [PHP] Bounce messages
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:40:23AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) Not seeing bounce messages here. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] output compression when host has disabled mod_deflate, mod_gzip and php_value auto_prepend_file
Hi My host, Host Papa (yes, they are rubbish) has disabled mod_deflate, mod_gzip and php_value auto_prepend_file so can't use them in .htaccess file. I would move host but I did not realise this was the case until I wanted to make use of them. I am tied in for three years so need to find a workaround or live with it. The site is built using CMS Made Simple (a php based CMS) and I am using ob_start (ob_gzhandler); to compress the html output from the CMS. I want to compress the css and javascript external files as well but without the apache options available I am wondering what other options I have. The files are not massive, all but one less than 20k. Not sure how much of a performance gain I will get but I thought it is worth while asking the question. One solution I have on my mind is to call a php script that pulls in the css and js files and compresses the output e.g link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=http://my.domain.com/stylesheet.php?file=/path/to/stylesheet.css; / stylesheet.php -- ?php // initialize ob_gzhandler function to send and compress data ob_start (ob_gzhandler); // send the requisite header information and character set header (content-type: text/css; charset: UTF-8); // check cached credentials and reprocess accordingly header (cache-control: must-revalidate); // set variable for duration of cached content $offset = 60 * 60; // set variable specifying format of expiration header $expire = expires: . gmdate (D, d M Y H:i:s, time() + $offset) . GMT; // send cache expiration header to the client broswer header ($expire); //read and echo the file $file = readfile($_GET[file]); echo $file; ? -- Similar code for javascript with different content-type. A few questions: 1) Will apache cache the full url or the url minus the query parameter? 2) Are there any performance benefits as there is an overhead in calling the PHP file? 3) If the PHP call is cached is it cached with the file query parameter? Many thanks for your help. -- j -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb
Girish Talluru girish.dev1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot Samuel. Appreciate your help. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, the address you’re looking for is: http://lists.mysql.com/ ** ** Good hunting =) ** ** *De:* Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com] *Enviada em:* sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:15 *Para:* Samuel Lopes Grigolato *Cc:* php-general@lists.php.net *Assunto:* Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb ** ** Samuel, Can you please send the DBMS list address? ** ** Thanks, Girish On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote: I would start trying my DBMS user list. Or maybe you're afraid of impacts on PHP code? Cheers. -Mensagem original- De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com] Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:04 Para: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb Hi Guys, I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb. Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve? Thanks, Girish Talluru -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php ** ** As it's a Friday... I would back the database up and convert each table one by one. I've not had any data problems ever doing this myself, even on large tables. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Girish Talluru girish.dev1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb. Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve? Thanks, Girish Talluru If you use full-text search, it'll not work in InnoDb engine. -- Shiplu.Mokadd.im ImgSign.com | A dynamic signature machine Innovation distinguishes between follower and leader -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bounce messages
On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail server IP is listed on a black list. Check the link below. http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127 This could be the source of your bounce messages. -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bounce messages
On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 09:56 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote: On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail server IP is listed on a black list. Check the link below. http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127 This could be the source of your bounce messages. -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people on the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service to prove you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking about? -- Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
RE: [PHP] Bounce messages
Hi, I don't know if this is specifically what he is referring to when he says, the 'reply to sender' email handling camp , but I know that when I just click Reply it goes to the individual whose post I am commenting on. I need to click on Reply All and several emails are in the blanks and I need to delete them all and move the list email address from the CC: box to the TO: box. If I am not paying attention and don't do this little email musical chairs process, sometimes I will get out of office replies from some of the email addresses in the reply. Is this 'bouncing'? Jeff -Original Message- From: Ashley Sheridan [mailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:56 PM To: Jim Lucas Cc: Lester Caine; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Bounce messages On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 09:56 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote: On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail server IP is listed on a black list. Check the link below. http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127 This could be the source of your bounce messages. -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people on the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service to prove you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking about? -- Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bounce messages
On 09/21/2012 12:22 PM, Jeff Burcher wrote: Hi, I don't know if this is specifically what he is referring to when he says, the 'reply to sender' email handling camp , but I know that when I just click Reply it goes to the individual whose post I am commenting on. I need to click on Reply All and several emails are in the blanks and I need to delete them all and move the list email address from the CC: box to the TO: box. If I am not paying attention and don't do this little email musical chairs process, sometimes I will get out of office replies from some of the email addresses in the reply. Is this 'bouncing'? Technically, it is called back scatter. And SPAMers can use it to send SPAM to unsuspecting servers. And http://www.backscatterer.org loves to block mail servers that have auto responders turned on. Jeff -Original Message- From: Ashley Sheridan [mailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:56 PM To: Jim Lucas Cc: Lester Caine; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Bounce messages On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 09:56 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote: On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail server IP is listed on a black list. Check the link below. http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127 This could be the source of your bounce messages. -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people on the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service to prove you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking about? -- Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Bounce messages
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote: On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the list, if possible. Why would I do anything else? I believe Lester is referring to the behaviour of the Reply-To: field sent by the list serv, which is the sender's address. Some other listservs put the list reply address in Reply-To: -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bounce messages
Ashley Sheridan wrote: On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail server IP is listed on a black list. Check the link below. http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127 This could be the source of your bounce messages. Well that is BT Internet ;) Not a lot I can do about that ... I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people on the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service to prove you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking about? Yes ... I posted a reply earlier, and got three 'spam' warnings as well as the copy of my post. Actually it's not as bad as it has been ... I was expecting a few more after I posted the comment. And Yes tamouse ... it's having to replace a block of return addresses with just the list address to tidy things up. A long list of addresses can build up when everyone uses 'reply all' where as many other lists just need 'reply' so nowadays I only use reply - and hopefully remember to change to the the list address :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP Re: PHP Bounce messages
On 21 Sep 2012 at 20:56, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote: On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the list, if possible. Why would I do anything else? I believe Lester is referring to the behaviour of the Reply-To: field sent by the list serv, which is the sender's address. Some other listservs put the list reply address in Reply-To: Thanks, I'm with you now. And I also do the To: cc: musical chairs. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bounce messages
On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:31:36 PM Lester Caine wrote: Ashley Sheridan wrote: On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)? ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) ) Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail server IP is listed on a black list. Check the link below. http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127 This could be the source of your bounce messages. Well that is BT Internet ;) Not a lot I can do about that ... I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people on the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service to prove you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking about? Yes ... I posted a reply earlier, and got three 'spam' warnings as well as the copy of my post. Actually it's not as bad as it has been ... I was expecting a few more after I posted the comment. And Yes tamouse ... it's having to replace a block of return addresses with just the list address to tidy things up. A long list of addresses can build up when everyone uses 'reply all' where as many other lists just need 'reply' so nowadays I only use reply - and hopefully remember to change to the the list address :) I use reply to mailing list in Kontact. -- David M. David's Webhosting and consulting.
