php-general Digest 21 Sep 2012 19:41:16 -0000 Issue 7974

2012-09-21 Thread php-general-digest-help

php-general Digest 21 Sep 2012 19:41:16 - Issue 7974

Topics (messages 319168 through 319185):

Bounce messages
319168 by: Lester Caine
319169 by: Matijn Woudt
319178 by: Paul M Foster
319182 by: Jim Lucas
319183 by: Ashley Sheridan
319184 by: Jeff Burcher
319185 by: Jim Lucas

Re: about PHP's filter_var function
319170 by: Sebastian Krebs

Re: PHP Bounce messages
319171 by: Tim Streater

Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb
319172 by: Girish Talluru
319174 by: Samuel Lopes Grigolato
319175 by: Girish Talluru
319176 by: Samuel Lopes Grigolato
319177 by: Girish Talluru
319180 by: Ashley Sheridan
319181 by: shiplu

Re: Warning at PDO:Firebird driver manual page removed.
319173 by: Davi Marcondes Moreira

output compression when host has disabled mod_deflate, mod_gzip and php_value 
auto_prepend_file
319179 by: edward eric pedersson

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---BeginMessage---
I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp 
rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple 
reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of 
cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)?


( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )

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-
Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/
Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk
Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
---End Message---
---BeginMessage---
Op 21 sep. 2012 09:41 schreef Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk het
volgende:

 I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling
camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the
multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is
there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to
the list(s)?


What exactly is your problem? I don't get it and I still don't see a
problem here..
---End Message---
---BeginMessage---
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:40:23AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote:

 I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email
 handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now
 and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY
 reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails
 we all get when posting to the list(s)?
 
 ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )

Not seeing bounce messages here.

Paul

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http://quillandmouse.com
---End Message---
---BeginMessage---

On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote:

I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling
camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the
multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is
there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to
the list(s)?

( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )



Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail 
server IP is listed on a black list.  Check the link below.


http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127

This could be the source of your bounce messages.

--
Jim Lucas

http://www.cmsws.com/
http://www.cmsws.com/examples/
---End Message---
---BeginMessage---
On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 09:56 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote:

 On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
  I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling
  camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the
  multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is
  there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to
  the list(s)?
 
  ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )
 
 
 Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail 
 server IP is listed on a black list.  Check the link below.
 
 http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127
 
 This could be the source of your bounce messages.
 
 -- 
 Jim Lucas
 
 http://www.cmsws.com/
 http://www.cmsws.com/examples/
 


I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people
on the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service
to prove you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking
about?

-- 
Thanks,
Ash

Re: [PHP] Warning at PDO:Firebird driver manual page removed.

2012-09-21 Thread Lester Caine

Davi Marcondes Moreira wrote:

The question is: why the warning message was removed, and now this
extension is safe for use, without risks of being discontinued or
depreciated?


Davi
The current version of the extension is stable and a number of the initial bugs 
have been cleared up. If you use it you will find that it does work fine, but 
most PHP/Firebird users - like myself - stay with the php_interbase driver on 
it's own simply because some function are not available via the PDO driver. That 
only replaces the 'data' interface and does not address some of the control 
stuff. This is the case with many of the PDO drivers since it is not easy to 
provide a 'compatible' version of this across all database engines.


I've still got FB1.5 on a number of sites mainly because of legacy apps that can 
no longer be recompiled, but PHP provides an additional interface to fill the gaps.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird-php/ is the home for a more in depth 
discussion and assistance :)


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[PHP] Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread Lester Caine
I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp 
rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the multiple 
reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is there no way of 
cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to the list(s)?


( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )

--
Lester Caine - G8HFL
-
Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/
Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk
Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk

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Re: [PHP] Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread Matijn Woudt
Op 21 sep. 2012 09:41 schreef Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk het
volgende:

 I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling
camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the
multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is
there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to
the list(s)?


What exactly is your problem? I don't get it and I still don't see a
problem here..


Re: [PHP] about PHP's filter_var function

2012-09-21 Thread Sebastian Krebs

Am 20.09.2012 19:54, schrieb Jim Lucas:

On 09/20/2012 10:00 AM, Matijn Woudt wrote:

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Jim Lucasli...@cmsws.com  wrote:

On 09/20/2012 02:35 AM, Sebastian Krebs wrote:


Plaseplease update... 5.1.6 is from 2006! I read the it's required,
but I can't imagine _anything_ that it's worth it to use such an
extremely outdated, unsupported and therefore insecure and inefficient
version... You know: There are 3 (!) new minor versions available right
now (5.2, 5.3 and 5.4).


However: Regarding your concrete problem I guess you can use ip2long()

if (ip2long($ip)) {



I would suggest a modification to this.

if ( ip2long($ip) !== false ) {


I suggest this because IP to long will return negative numbers for
half the
IP range.  Therefor 50% of your possible results would be considered
false
when in fact they are valid IPs.

See Example #2 on this page:
http://php.net/manual/en/function.ip2long.php




First of all, I agree with Maciek that inet_pton is the way to go
because of IPv6.
But, there seems to be some wrong information in your reply which
bothers me.
First of all, ip2long only returns negative numbers on 32bit systems,
not on 64bit (which most servers are nowadays).
Second, there's nothing wrong with the if, if(-5) is still true. The
only difference is that you can differentiate between IP 0.0.0.0 and
false. But IP 0.0.0.0 is not valid anyway.

- Matijn



After some testing, I stand corrected.  Wow, I wonder where I ran into
the issue of negative numbers equating to false.  while loops maybe...

Strange.  I must have ran into this issue years ago.  I have always
performed strict (===) comparisons because I thought PHP would equate
negative numbers as false.

Learn something new every day...



You can find the full matrix here: http://php.net/types.comparisons

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[PHP] Re: PHP Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread Tim Streater
On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: 

 I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp
 rather than reply to list.

I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the list, 
if possible. Why would I do anything else?

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Re: [PHP] Warning at PDO:Firebird driver manual page removed.

2012-09-21 Thread Davi Marcondes Moreira
Dear Lester,


Thank you very much for your attention. You gave me the exact explanation
which solved all my doubts about using PDO:Firebird.
Actually I'm building step by step a abstract layer file for general use on
these projects, and it works fine for us, using the php_interbase extension
functions. Unfortunately I can't share the code here, due to ethics
contract. But I'll stay in touch in the discussion group you've sent and
keep informed. Certainly I'll find more PHP/Firebird developers there.


Sincerely,


2012/9/21 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk

 Davi Marcondes Moreira wrote:

 The question is: why the warning message was removed, and now this
 extension is safe for use, without risks of being discontinued or
 depreciated?


 Davi
 The current version of the extension is stable and a number of the initial
 bugs have been cleared up. If you use it you will find that it does work
 fine, but most PHP/Firebird users - like myself - stay with the
 php_interbase driver on it's own simply because some function are not
 available via the PDO driver. That only replaces the 'data' interface and
 does not address some of the control stuff. This is the case with many of
 the PDO drivers since it is not easy to provide a 'compatible' version of
 this across all database engines.

 I've still got FB1.5 on a number of sites mainly because of legacy apps
 that can no longer be recompiled, but PHP provides an additional interface
 to fill the gaps.

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/**firebird-php/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird-php/is
  the home for a more in depth discussion and assistance :)

 --
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 Contact - 
 http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=**contacthttp://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
 L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
 EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/
 Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk
 Rainbow Digital Media - 
 http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.**ukhttp://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk

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RES: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

2012-09-21 Thread Samuel Lopes Grigolato
I would start trying my DBMS user list. Or maybe you're afraid of impacts on
PHP code?

Cheers.

-Mensagem original-
De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com] 
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:04
Para: php-general@lists.php.net
Assunto: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

Hi Guys,

I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using
myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb.

Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve?

Thanks,
Girish Talluru


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Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

2012-09-21 Thread Girish Talluru
Samuel, Can you please send the DBMS list address?

Thanks,
Girish

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato 
samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would start trying my DBMS user list. Or maybe you're afraid of impacts
 on
 PHP code?

 Cheers.

 -Mensagem original-
 De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com]
 Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:04
 Para: php-general@lists.php.net
 Assunto: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

 Hi Guys,

 I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using
 myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb.

 Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve?

 Thanks,
 Girish Talluru


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RES: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

2012-09-21 Thread Samuel Lopes Grigolato
Sure, the address you're looking for is:  http://lists.mysql.com/
http://lists.mysql.com/

 

Good hunting =)

 

De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com] 
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:15
Para: Samuel Lopes Grigolato
Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
Assunto: Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

 

Samuel, Can you please send the DBMS list address?

 

Thanks,

Girish

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato
samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote:

I would start trying my DBMS user list. Or maybe you're afraid of impacts on
PHP code?

Cheers.

-Mensagem original-
De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com]
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:04
Para: php-general@lists.php.net
Assunto: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb


Hi Guys,

I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using
myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb.

Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve?

Thanks,
Girish Talluru



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Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

2012-09-21 Thread Girish Talluru
Thanks a lot Samuel. Appreciate your help.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato 
samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sure, the address you’re looking for is: http://lists.mysql.com/

 ** **

 Good hunting =)

 ** **

 *De:* Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com]
 *Enviada em:* sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:15
 *Para:* Samuel Lopes Grigolato
 *Cc:* php-general@lists.php.net
 *Assunto:* Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

 ** **

 Samuel, Can you please send the DBMS list address?

 ** **

 Thanks,

 Girish

 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato 
 samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would start trying my DBMS user list. Or maybe you're afraid of impacts
 on
 PHP code?

 Cheers.

 -Mensagem original-
 De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com]
 Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:04
 Para: php-general@lists.php.net
 Assunto: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb


 Hi Guys,

 I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using
 myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb.

 Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve?

 Thanks,
 Girish Talluru

 

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 ** **



Re: [PHP] Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread Paul M Foster
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:40:23AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote:

 I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email
 handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now
 and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY
 reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails
 we all get when posting to the list(s)?
 
 ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )

Not seeing bounce messages here.

Paul

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[PHP] output compression when host has disabled mod_deflate, mod_gzip and php_value auto_prepend_file

2012-09-21 Thread edward eric pedersson
Hi

My host, Host Papa (yes, they are rubbish) has disabled mod_deflate,
mod_gzip and php_value auto_prepend_file so can't use them in
.htaccess file. I would move host but I did not realise this was the
case until I wanted to make use of them. I am tied in for three years
so need to find a workaround or live with it.

The site is built using CMS Made Simple (a php based CMS) and I am
using ob_start (ob_gzhandler); to compress the html output from the
CMS.

I want to compress the css and javascript external files as well but
without the apache options available I am wondering what other options
I have. The files are not massive, all but one less than 20k. Not sure
how much of a performance gain I will get but I thought it is worth
while asking the question.

One solution I have on my mind is to call a php script that pulls in
the css and js files and compresses the output e.g

link rel=stylesheet type=text/css
href=http://my.domain.com/stylesheet.php?file=/path/to/stylesheet.css;
/

stylesheet.php
--
?php

   // initialize ob_gzhandler function to send and compress data
   ob_start (ob_gzhandler);

   // send the requisite header information and character set
   header (content-type: text/css; charset: UTF-8);

   // check cached credentials and reprocess accordingly
   header (cache-control: must-revalidate);

   // set variable for duration of cached content
   $offset = 60 * 60;

   // set variable specifying format of expiration header
   $expire = expires:  . gmdate (D, d M Y H:i:s, time() + $offset) .  GMT;

   // send cache expiration header to the client broswer
   header ($expire);

   //read and echo the file
   $file = readfile($_GET[file]);

   echo $file;

?

--

Similar code for javascript with different content-type.


A few questions:

1) Will apache cache the full url or the url minus the query parameter?
2) Are there any performance benefits as there is an overhead in
calling the PHP file?
3) If the PHP call is cached is it cached with the file query parameter?

Many thanks for your help.


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Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

2012-09-21 Thread Ashley Sheridan


Girish Talluru girish.dev1...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks a lot Samuel. Appreciate your help.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato 
samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sure, the address you’re looking for is: http://lists.mysql.com/

 ** **

 Good hunting =)

 ** **

 *De:* Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com]
 *Enviada em:* sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:15
 *Para:* Samuel Lopes Grigolato
 *Cc:* php-general@lists.php.net
 *Assunto:* Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

 ** **

 Samuel, Can you please send the DBMS list address?

 ** **

 Thanks,

 Girish

 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Samuel Lopes Grigolato 
 samuel.grigol...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would start trying my DBMS user list. Or maybe you're afraid of
impacts
 on
 PHP code?

 Cheers.

 -Mensagem original-
 De: Girish Talluru [mailto:girish.dev1...@gmail.com]
 Enviada em: sexta-feira, 21 de setembro de 2012 10:04
 Para: php-general@lists.php.net
 Assunto: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb


 Hi Guys,

 I have requirement to change my production database tables which are
using
 myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb.

 Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve?

 Thanks,
 Girish Talluru

 

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 ** **


As it's a Friday...

I would back the database up and convert each table one by one. I've not had 
any data problems ever doing this myself, even on large tables.

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Re: [PHP] Risks involved in MyISAM to Innodb

2012-09-21 Thread shiplu
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Girish Talluru
girish.dev1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 I have requirement to change my production database tables which are using
 myISAM and now bcoz of some changes we have to move to Innodb.

 Can anyone suggest how the plan should be and risks involve?

 Thanks,
 Girish Talluru

If you use full-text search, it'll not work in InnoDb engine.

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Re: [PHP] Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread Jim Lucas

On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote:

I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling
camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the
multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is
there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to
the list(s)?

( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )



Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail 
server IP is listed on a black list.  Check the link below.


http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127

This could be the source of your bounce messages.

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http://www.cmsws.com/
http://www.cmsws.com/examples/

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Re: [PHP] Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 09:56 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote:

 On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
  I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling
  camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the
  multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is
  there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to
  the list(s)?
 
  ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )
 
 
 Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail 
 server IP is listed on a black list.  Check the link below.
 
 http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127
 
 This could be the source of your bounce messages.
 
 -- 
 Jim Lucas
 
 http://www.cmsws.com/
 http://www.cmsws.com/examples/
 


I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people
on the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service
to prove you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking
about?

-- 
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Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk




RE: [PHP] Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread Jeff Burcher
Hi,

I don't know if this is specifically what he is referring to when he says, the 
'reply to sender' email handling camp , but I know that when I just click 
Reply it goes to the individual whose post I am commenting on. I need to click 
on Reply All and several emails are in the blanks and I need to delete them all 
and move the list email address from the CC: box to the TO: box. If I am not 
paying attention and don't do this little email musical chairs process, 
sometimes I will get out of office replies from some of the email addresses in 
the reply. Is this 'bouncing'?

Jeff

 -Original Message-
 From: Ashley Sheridan [mailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk]
 Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:56 PM
 To: Jim Lucas
 Cc: Lester Caine; php-general@lists.php.net
 Subject: Re: [PHP] Bounce messages
 
 On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 09:56 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote:
 
  On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
   I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email
   handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now
   and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY
   reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails
   we all get when posting to the list(s)?
  
   ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )
  
 
  Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your
  mail server IP is listed on a black list.  Check the link below.
 
  http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127
 
  This could be the source of your bounce messages.
 
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 I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people on
 the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service to prove
 you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking about?
 
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Re: [PHP] Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread Jim Lucas

On 09/21/2012 12:22 PM, Jeff Burcher wrote:

Hi,

I don't know if this is specifically what he is referring to when he
 says, the 'reply to sender' email handling camp , but I know that
when I just click Reply it goes to the individual whose post I am
commenting on. I need to click on Reply All and several emails are
in the blanks and I need to delete them all and move the list email
address from the CC: box to the TO: box. If I am not paying attention
and don't do this little email musical chairs process, sometimes I
will get out of office replies from some of the email addresses in
the reply. Is this 'bouncing'?


Technically, it is called back scatter.  And SPAMers can use it to send 
SPAM to unsuspecting servers.  And http://www.backscatterer.org loves to 
block mail servers that have auto responders turned on.




Jeff


-Original Message-
From: Ashley Sheridan [mailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:56 PM
To: Jim Lucas
Cc: Lester Caine; php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] Bounce messages

On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 09:56 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote:


On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote:

I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email
handling camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now
and handle the multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY
reply to list. BUT is there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails
we all get when posting to the list(s)?

( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )



Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your
mail server IP is listed on a black list.  Check the link below.

http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127

This could be the source of your bounce messages.

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I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people on
the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service to prove
you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking about?

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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread tamouse mailing lists
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote:
 On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:

 I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp
 rather than reply to list.

 I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the 
 list, if possible. Why would I do anything else?

I believe Lester is referring to the behaviour of the Reply-To: field
sent by the list serv, which is the sender's address. Some other
listservs put the list reply address in Reply-To:

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Re: [PHP] Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread Lester Caine

Ashley Sheridan wrote:

On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
 I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling
 camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the
 multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is
 there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting to
 the list(s)?

 ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )


Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail
server IP is listed on a black list.  Check the link below.

http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127

This could be the source of your bounce messages.


Well that is BT Internet ;) Not a lot I can do about that ...


I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people on the
list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service to prove you're
a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking about?


Yes ... I posted a reply earlier, and got three 'spam' warnings as well as the 
copy of my post. Actually it's not as bad as it has been ... I was expecting a 
few more after I posted the comment.


And Yes tamouse ... it's having to replace a block of return addresses with just 
the list address to tidy things up. A long list of addresses can build up when 
everyone uses 'reply all' where as many other lists just need 'reply' so 
nowadays I only use reply - and hopefully remember to change to the the list 
address :)


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[PHP] Re: PHP Re: PHP Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread Tim Streater
On 21 Sep 2012 at 20:56, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: 

 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote:
 On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:

 I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling
 camp rather than reply to list.

 I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the
 list, if possible. Why would I do anything else?

 I believe Lester is referring to the behaviour of the Reply-To: field
 sent by the list serv, which is the sender's address. Some other
 listservs put the list reply address in Reply-To:

Thanks, I'm with you now. And I also do the To: cc: musical chairs.

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Re: [PHP] Bounce messages

2012-09-21 Thread David McGlone
On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:31:36 PM Lester Caine wrote:
 Ashley Sheridan wrote:
  On 09/21/2012 12:40 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
   I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email
   handling
   camp rather than reply to list. I can cope with that now and handle the
   multiple reply address problem this end so I ONLY reply to list. BUT is
   there no way of cleaning up the bounce emails we all get when posting
   to
   the list(s)?
   
   ( Waits to delete all the bounce messages for this post :) )
  
  Doing a little checking on your IP address, I have found that your mail
  server IP is listed on a black list.  Check the link below.
  
  http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a213.123.20.127
  
  This could be the source of your bounce messages.
 
 Well that is BT Internet ;) Not a lot I can do about that ...
 
  I sporadically get a lot of messages that appear as bounces where people
  on the list filter out replies and make you sign up to some web service
  to prove you're a real person. Is that the sort of bounce you're talking
  about?
 
 Yes ... I posted a reply earlier, and got three 'spam' warnings as well as
 the copy of my post. Actually it's not as bad as it has been ... I was
 expecting a few more after I posted the comment.
 
 And Yes tamouse ... it's having to replace a block of return addresses with
 just the list address to tidy things up. A long list of addresses can build
 up when everyone uses 'reply all' where as many other lists just need
 'reply' so nowadays I only use reply - and hopefully remember to change to
 the the list address :)

I use reply to mailing list in Kontact.
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