php-general Digest 22 Oct 2012 14:06:35 -0000 Issue 8018
php-general Digest 22 Oct 2012 14:06:35 - Issue 8018 Topics (messages 319544 through 319554): Re: User Timezone 319544 by: tamouse mailing lists 319545 by: Matijn Woudt 319546 by: Karl DeSaulniers 319548 by: tamouse mailing lists Free LAPP stack 319547 by: Robert Stone 319549 by: tamouse mailing lists RAM Disk 319550 by: Alan Hoffmeister 319552 by: Camilo Sperberg 319553 by: СÓãϺ Table help needed - followup 319551 by: Chris Payne Recommendation request: Use Magento or build my own eCommerce? 319554 by: Mark Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-subscr...@lists.php.net To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-unsubscr...@lists.php.net To post to the list, e-mail: php-gene...@lists.php.net -- ---BeginMessage--- On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Maciek Sokolewicz maciek.sokolew...@gmail.com wrote: On 21-10-2012 01:11, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: Thanks for the response. Yes, for the US I plan on calculating by state, but this website is not geared to just the US. So I am looking for a solution that lets me also calculate by country/region. Was looking on google and found geoip, but not sure if this will do the job I am looking for. Anyone with experience on geoip that can send pointers? Thanks, Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com Geo IP is based on IP, and I must warn you that IP data is not always accurate. Especially here in Europe, companies that are based in multiple countries sometimes only register their IPs in a single country, and share them between all the countries they are active in. This will give you wrong data from GeoIP. The time difference will only be 1 hour at max, but still. That was what my own suspicions were leading to. I am familiar with the fact that ips can be spoofed. Thanks for the corroboration. Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com As Bart said, IP is not ideal for this situation. Since you do have information about the location of that person (as in country and possible state), you can find out the timezone via a static database. The HTML5 geolocation tool is nice, and would certainly help a lot! However, be aware of the fact that it only works if there is the device on which the browser runs actually has the ability to find out its location. Many smartphones have GPS chips, but most PCs don't. Asking a PC where are you located? the PC will answer How should I know?. Luckily for you, the way of country and state is pretty easy. I've handed you a list to find it in the USA. For most countries in the world, there's a simple 1:1 mapping of timezone and country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_time_zones_by_country), there are however 21 countries which have multiple timezones. In these cases, you'll need extra information to be able to distinguish between them. For the USA, you already have a way. For (ex-)colonical islands and such (such as for France), you could always add them to the country list: - France - France (Marquesas Islands) - France (Gambier) etc. Thus treating them as separate countries for your timezone db. In Russia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brasil, Indonesia, Kiribati, Mexico,Congo, Ecuador, Micronesia, Kazakhstan and Mongolia you'll need to know their province / state to more accurately assess the ideal timezone. So for most countries, it's a simple 1:1 translation. For the above countries, you'll need some extra info, and translate further based on that. You should be able to find the info required yourself, it just takes a while to collect it. Alternatively, and this is the most simple way; since you're asking people for their country and such, simply also ask them about their timezone. Don't bother automating and putting a heck of a lot of time into hard to realize solutions, when you can ask a very simple and easy-to-answer question to the browser instead. :) - Tul Don't forget that some countries have DST, and some don't. And those that have DST, all use different dates.. So in to keep a static database you would also need to have DST info from all countries. - Matijn Using the standard labels in /usr/share/zoneinfo should be able to avoid having to keep track of who is and isn't in DST, *provided* you find a way to map the user's address to one of those files. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: Don't most browsers include this information in the HTTP headers? Nope, you're probably confused with servers that return their time and date. - Matijn ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Oct 21, 2012, at 5:11 PM,
Re: [PHP] RAM Disk
On 22 okt. 2012, at 04:45, Alan Hoffmeister alanhoffmeis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello fellows. Have anyone already tested PHP inside RAM disk with some Apache/nginx accessing those files or even session files? It's just for curiosity and performance analysis. Thanks. -- -- Att, Alan Hoffmeister I have not tested it but I think it wouldn't be much difference respecting APC for example, maybe a tiny little bit faster reading sessions and other file stuff because RAM have really small access times, but database connections and stuff would still be your main bottleneck (I'm assuming you do). I would install APC and set /tmp up into a RAM disc, mainly because not only do MySQL write temporary files into /tmp (example: if MySQL decides to create a temporary table which would be with almost any grouping you do), also apache does and, if you haven't setted up the session routes, sessions will also write itself to /tmp. Plus, if your machine happens to suddenly reboot, you won't lose any important stuff. Getting /var/log/ into an SSD or RAM disk should help too, but again: if reliability is important to you, I wouldn't do that. Greetings. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RAM Disk
I have use RAM DISK in IIS7.5 and MYSQL. PHP and MYSQL working in RAM DISK. faster... -- Original -- From: Camilo Sperbergunrea...@gmail.com; Date: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 04:47 PM To: Alan Hoffmeisteralanhoffmeis...@gmail.com; Cc: php-generalphp-general@lists.php.net; Subject: Re: [PHP] RAM Disk On 22 okt. 2012, at 04:45, Alan Hoffmeister alanhoffmeis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello fellows. Have anyone already tested PHP inside RAM disk with some Apache/nginx accessing those files or even session files? It's just for curiosity and performance analysis. Thanks. -- -- Att, Alan Hoffmeister I have not tested it but I think it wouldn't be much difference respecting APC for example, maybe a tiny little bit faster reading sessions and other file stuff because RAM have really small access times, but database connections and stuff would still be your main bottleneck (I'm assuming you do). I would install APC and set /tmp up into a RAM disc, mainly because not only do MySQL write temporary files into /tmp (example: if MySQL decides to create a temporary table which would be with almost any grouping you do), also apache does and, if you haven't setted up the session routes, sessions will also write itself to /tmp. Plus, if your machine happens to suddenly reboot, you won't lose any important stuff. Getting /var/log/ into an SSD or RAM disk should help too, but again: if reliability is important to you, I wouldn't do that. Greetings. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Recommendation request: Use Magento or build my own eCommerce?
Hi, I'm in a difficult situation here. I have a list of requirements for an eCommerce system (Magento) where i'm getting mixed opinions about what to do. Note: i do consider myself to be a quite experienced PHP programmer and certainly have the skills to either make the extensions or make everything from scratch. Both do require month of work! First - for the complete picture - the list of requirements for the eCommerce system: - (buld into magento) Multishop has to be possible - Different payment modules have to be possible (buckaroo, afterpay, ...) - Online chat (with for example zopim) has to be possible - Advanced product permissions (magento only has manage not more specific as in edit) - Setting pruduct margins - Abandoned cart alerts - One page checkout - Some javascript/ajax things like instant cart - A very specific order page (the Booking and Reservations plugin can do that) Thus far it's all oke. However, if i go to the magento irc channel i'm getting really mixed opinions about what to use and what to create myself. They basically say that i should prevent installing as much extensions as possible and try to make most of the things myself. This is where i'm getting really confused. There are two possible routes to take here. 1. I can go for the magento route and just take the very steep learning curve it has. It will be a slow process to make the modules required (mainly the advanced permissions, setting product margins and a abandoned cart extension). Two of those three are very difficult to make. Certainly if you consider that i'm just starting developing in any eCommerce system. 2. Considering the steep learning curve of making extensions for Magento it might be easier - in the long run - to build it all myself. In the beginning that will be an even slower process then using Magento, but once the structure is build it will be a much faster development process for any extension. I know it's usually a bad thing to reinvent the wheel and i am certainly not intending that. However, right now i really get the impression that i'm better of making it all myself. Both approaches take many months of development where the self made version is going to pay off in development time in the long run when compared to magento. I am just not sure what the best solution might be. So here is a list of pros and cons that i can think of for both approaches. Pros/Cons for using magento - [pro] a lot of existing extensions - [pro] i don't need to worry about security updates since the come from magento - [pro] living community around it to help out if there are any issues - [con] very steep learning curve - [con] not straightforward to start developing in - [con] takes a lot of time till you can even use the basics Pros/Cons for self made - [pro] Development will go a lot faster - [pro] i can make it more specific for one goal - [pro] a much easier extension model - [con] security all depends on me - [con] i have to make complicated extensions like buckaroo and afterpay myself - [con] no existing library of extensions to use Again, i'm puzzled by this. If i follow the #magento (on freenode) list then i should pick magento, but make every extension myself or only use the really good ones. Thus that will require a lot of time to develop them. I 'm guessing about half a year. Then again, if i make it all from the ground up it's probably also going to take half a year to develop (or slightly more) but it will obviously be much easier to maintain since i know every single line of it. What is your recommendation? Build it myself? Use Magento? or another option that i didn't even consider yet? Kind regards, Mark
Re: [PHP] Recommendation request: Use Magento or build my own eCommerce?
Use Magento. It will take you more than 6 months to build what you're talking about all by yourself. Magento is a pain to learn at first but once you get into it things start to make sense and development speeds up. Marc -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Recommendation request: Use Magento or build my own eCommerce?
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Mark mark...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm in a difficult situation here. I have a list of requirements for an eCommerce system (Magento) where i'm getting mixed opinions about what to do. Note: i do consider myself to be a quite experienced PHP programmer and certainly have the skills to either make the extensions or make everything from scratch. Both do require month of work! First - for the complete picture - the list of requirements for the eCommerce system: - (buld into magento) Multishop has to be possible - Different payment modules have to be possible (buckaroo, afterpay, ...) - Online chat (with for example zopim) has to be possible - Advanced product permissions (magento only has manage not more specific as in edit) - Setting pruduct margins - Abandoned cart alerts - One page checkout - Some javascript/ajax things like instant cart - A very specific order page (the Booking and Reservations plugin can do that) Thus far it's all oke. However, if i go to the magento irc channel i'm getting really mixed opinions about what to use and what to create myself. They basically say that i should prevent installing as much extensions as possible and try to make most of the things myself. This is where i'm getting really confused. There are two possible routes to take here. 1. I can go for the magento route and just take the very steep learning curve it has. It will be a slow process to make the modules required (mainly the advanced permissions, setting product margins and a abandoned cart extension). Two of those three are very difficult to make. Certainly if you consider that i'm just starting developing in any eCommerce system. 2. Considering the steep learning curve of making extensions for Magento it might be easier - in the long run - to build it all myself. In the beginning that will be an even slower process then using Magento, but once the structure is build it will be a much faster development process for any extension. I know it's usually a bad thing to reinvent the wheel and i am certainly not intending that. However, right now i really get the impression that i'm better of making it all myself. Both approaches take many months of development where the self made version is going to pay off in development time in the long run when compared to magento. I am just not sure what the best solution might be. So here is a list of pros and cons that i can think of for both approaches. Pros/Cons for using magento - [pro] a lot of existing extensions - [pro] i don't need to worry about security updates since the come from magento - [pro] living community around it to help out if there are any issues - [con] very steep learning curve - [con] not straightforward to start developing in - [con] takes a lot of time till you can even use the basics Pros/Cons for self made - [pro] Development will go a lot faster - [pro] i can make it more specific for one goal - [pro] a much easier extension model - [con] security all depends on me - [con] i have to make complicated extensions like buckaroo and afterpay myself - [con] no existing library of extensions to use Again, i'm puzzled by this. If i follow the #magento (on freenode) list then i should pick magento, but make every extension myself or only use the really good ones. Thus that will require a lot of time to develop them. I 'm guessing about half a year. Then again, if i make it all from the ground up it's probably also going to take half a year to develop (or slightly more) but it will obviously be much easier to maintain since i know every single line of it. What is your recommendation? Build it myself? Use Magento? or another option that i didn't even consider yet? Kind regards, Mark Something i made up just now. Would it work if i make the ecommerce system myself and build OpenCart support in it so that OpenCart extensions can be installed in my oscommerce as well? Since then i wouldn't have to bother about payment modules. Though it does add a very complex translation layer from my to be build oscommerce to the OpenCart system... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Recommendation request: Use Magento or build my own eCommerce?
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Marc Guay marc.g...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just use the entire OpenCart package? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Well, i was basing my choice of Magento on the internet opinion and magento seems the most popular system out there to use with most of the required extensions already there. OpenCart doesn't seem to be as recommended as Magento.. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Missing email
Hi Daniel, I think that the robot that manage the list is not sending you your own emails. Gerardo. On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote: @Moderator Any reason why my emails do not post or at least dont post for hours later? There is no moderator on this list. I'm probably about as close as it comes. Can you explain more about the problems you're experiencing so that I can look into it further? -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Gerardo Benitez - Programador Web Freelance
Re: [PHP] Wrong time being displayed by PHP!
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Ford, Mike m.f...@leedsmet.ac.uk wrote: From: underp...@gmail.com [mailto:underp...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Richard S. Crawford Sent: 17 October 2012 19:29 To: PHP-General You can see the current output of the above code here: http://projectbench.extensiondlc.net Can I ask what the fix for this was? Because that URL is currently showing the following for me: 02:09:27 am America/Los_Angeles America/Los_Angeles Thu, 18 Oct 2012 02:09:27 -0700 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:09:27 + 1350551367 (-25200) Thu Oct 18 02:09:27 PDT 2012 Cheers! Mike Hi Mike, Sorry I took so long to answer. I've been out sick, and didn't have access to the resolution information until this morning. The server administrators wound up reinstalling the tzdata package and enabled time synchronization. -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (rich...@underpope.com) http://www.underpope.com Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com)
Re: [PHP] Missing email
Strange, it did when I signed up and for a number of years after. On Oct 22, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Gerardo Benitez wrote: Hi Daniel, I think that the robot that manage the list is not sending you your own emails. Gerardo. On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote: @Moderator Any reason why my emails do not post or at least dont post for hours later? There is no moderator on this list. I'm probably about as close as it comes. Can you explain more about the problems you're experiencing so that I can look into it further? -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Gerardo Benitez - Programador Web Freelance Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com
[PHP] PDO
Hello,
i have built php 5.4.7 on Ubuntu with the configure Arguments like on my
Gentoo System. But on Gentoo run the website without Problems, under Ubuntu
want not work. I become in error.log:
[22-Oct-2012 21:15:00 UTC] PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function
prepare() on a non-object in html/index.html on line 23
U use PHP FPM with Nginx.
The configure Arguments:
http://pastebin.geany.org/qz8TP/
The Script which work:
?php
require_once (db.php);
$query = $db-prepare(SELECT id, title, date FROM bloggen ORDER BY date DESC
LIMIT 0,5);
if (!$query) {die(Execute query error, because: . $db-errorInfo());}
$query-execute();
while ($row = $query-fetch(PDO::FETCH_ASSOC)) {
echo pa href=\/blog/post.html?id=.$row['id'].\
title=\.(htmlentities($row['title'], ENT_QUOTES,
UTF-8)).\.(htmlentities($row['title'], ENT_QUOTES, UTF-8))./a/p\n;
}
$row = null;
$query = null;
$db = null;
?
Has someone a idea what is there wrong?
Thanks for help and nice Day.
Silvio
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Re: [PHP] PDO
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de wrote:
Hello,
i have built php 5.4.7 on Ubuntu with the configure Arguments like on my
Gentoo System. But on Gentoo run the website without Problems, under Ubuntu
want not work. I become in error.log:
[22-Oct-2012 21:15:00 UTC] PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function
prepare() on a non-object in html/index.html on line 23
U use PHP FPM with Nginx.
The configure Arguments:
http://pastebin.geany.org/qz8TP/
The Script which work:
?php
require_once (db.php);
$query = $db-prepare(SELECT id, title, date FROM bloggen ORDER BY date
DESC LIMIT 0,5);
if (!$query) {die(Execute query error, because: . $db-errorInfo());}
That looks like you've not connected to the database successfully inside of
db.php.
-nathan
Re: [PHP] PDO
On Mon, 2012-10-22 at 23:27 +0200, Silvio Siefke wrote:
Hello,
i have built php 5.4.7 on Ubuntu with the configure Arguments like on my
Gentoo System. But on Gentoo run the website without Problems, under Ubuntu
want not work. I become in error.log:
[22-Oct-2012 21:15:00 UTC] PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function
prepare() on a non-object in html/index.html on line 23
U use PHP FPM with Nginx.
The configure Arguments:
http://pastebin.geany.org/qz8TP/
The Script which work:
?php
require_once (db.php);
$query = $db-prepare(SELECT id, title, date FROM bloggen ORDER BY date DESC
LIMIT 0,5);
if (!$query) {die(Execute query error, because: . $db-errorInfo());}
$query-execute();
while ($row = $query-fetch(PDO::FETCH_ASSOC)) {
echo pa href=\/blog/post.html?id=.$row['id'].\
title=\.(htmlentities($row['title'], ENT_QUOTES,
UTF-8)).\.(htmlentities($row['title'], ENT_QUOTES,
UTF-8))./a/p\n;
}
$row = null;
$query = null;
$db = null;
?
Has someone a idea what is there wrong?
Thanks for help and nice Day.
Silvio
It's a bit odd that you're parsing all .html files as if they were PHP
(little bit of a waste, and does mean you'll have an extra step when
configuring a server to run the code)
That aside, I don't see 23 lines of code in your example, so I'm
assuming you've snipped a lot of the beginning (you've not mentioned in
particular which line in your excerpt is the 23rd). What's in your
db.php include? Are there any checks on whether a connection has been
established or not there?
--
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] PDO
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de wrote: Hello, i have built php 5.4.7 on Ubuntu with the configure Arguments like on my Gentoo System. But on Gentoo run the website without Problems, under Ubuntu want not work. I become in error.log: [22-Oct-2012 21:15:00 UTC] PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function prepare() on a non-object in html/index.html on line 23 Can you show the code in db.php (just remember to remove any login credentials)? It looks like there's an issue creating the $db object you're using. Adam -- Nephtali: A simple, flexible, fast, and security-focused PHP framework http://nephtaliproject.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PDO
Hello, i found the mistake, i have forgetten write the new path for the sqlite database. Thx Silvio -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PDO
Silvio Siefke wrote: i found the mistake, i have forgetten write the new path for the sqlite database. Just been caught with a similar problem. Had moved a working site from windows to linux and it stopped serving up the swf files. Turns out the file has a hardcoded path with upper and lower case name, while the xml file was all lower case. Rename the folder with the right cases and it started working again :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
