Why don't you two just email each other instead of including us all in
your little pissing contest?

Stanley G. Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: -{ Rene Brehmer }- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:59 PM
To: PHP Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Web Hosting

According to historical records, on Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:39:33 -0400 John
Nichel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about "Re: [PHP] PHP Web Hosting":

>-{ Rene Brehmer }- wrote:
>> At 21:19 19-04-2004, John Nichel wrote:
>> 
>>> Greg Donald wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your signature is twice the rfc1855 suggested limit.
>>>> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
>>>>  - If you include a signature keep it short.  Rule of thumb is no
longer
>>>> than 4 lines.
>>>
>>>
>>> And the RFC1885 'guidelines' are also almost 10 years old.  I think 
>>> most people today have a fast enough connection to handle the 500+/-

>>> bytes of my signature....even if they're still on dial-up.  Of
course, 
>>> I could be mistaken and there may still be someone out there using 
>>> 900baud. ;)
>> 
>> 
>> Most usenet netiquette guidelines I've read suggest max. 4-6 lines of

>> sig content, with "permitted" divider lines at either end ... and in 
>> this case a line is 75 chars ...
>
>Ahhhh, but the almost 10 year old RFC says this...
>
>"Limit line length to fewer than 65 characters and end a line with a 
>carriage return."
>
>;)

Hmm ... why the heck 65 characters ??? ... Old EGA screens were 80x34
characters, VGA is 80x43 characters ... The reason Usenet standard is 76
chars wide messages (today anyways) is that text-mode readers need the
last
4 characters to display window borders and control chars along the
message
lines ...

But "end a line with carriage" return is Mac standard ... in DOS an
endline
is NL\CR, while in Unix it's NL, and on old Mac CR ... I took a peak at
that
RFC ... and I think most of it is in the 10 year old 1200 page Internet
book
I have ... That book also throughly describes the hazards of using 8 bit
characters because of the old 7 bit servers ... (AFAIK, Africa and rural
China are the only places today where you can expect to find 7 bit
servers)
....

In most Usenet groups I've participated in,  you generally only get
pounded
by a long sig if it's very long or longer than the actual message ...
these
days 4 or 8 lines makes the difference of 1/10 second for most of the
users
on slow 56K connections ... for anyone else it's not noticeable...


Rene

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