Re: [PHP] [Off] How much time should this take?
Brian Dunning wrote: I got a 12-hour invoice from a consultant who was tasked to do the following: There are people that can do it faster ... then again it seems about right given the time it takes to customize, tweak and secure allsorts of things... I might add tho that a 'professional' might consider swapping his copy of RedHat for a some fresh horse manure and using Debian or somesuch instead (horse manure can be put to good use in the garden). Debian won't save you any time but it sure runs faster/safer imho) ;-) John Nichel's points are all good ones. never forget that it's very easy to 'lose' a day or more because a machine configuration is 'playing up' - I remember at my company losing _lots_ of time trying to get Squid & Apache to play nice (inc SSL) so that the 'web logs' (from which [webalizer] statistics were generated) were complete/accurate... and that was just the webserver request logging! so if the box does what you want, is fast and secure ... then you have a fair deal me thinks (well it depends what he charges per hour - $1000/hour is extortion ;-). - Install a Red Hat machine from absolute scratch for PHP/MySQL/Apache - Copy over some MySQL databases - Have mod_rewrite working via htaccess, and have wildcard DNS I realize there are a billion different variables - I don't know specifically what distribution he used, or any other variables - but what are the chances that his invoice is reasonable? Assume that he should know what he's doing without having to learn anything. Thanks... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] [Off] How much time should this take?
I must admit that this seems a little excessive to me. I don't work much with RH, but what is involved: - install a minimal redhat(I've installed other distros in as little as 15 mins. An hour seems reasonable) - configure/install apache ( assuming he is using RPM's, which I'd recommend for stability, this should take a few mins. Otherwise 30 mins seems reasonable) - configure/install php ( assuming no exotic requirements, php could be installed from rpms in 45 seconds) - configure/installl mysql(including a/c management)(installation from rpms, copying the dbs across could be done as simply as using the correct mysqldump, mysql and netcat combination(assuming the machines are networked) - configure/install a named - lock down the machine( - Assuming an hour for RH installation, and 30 mins for each package, that is 3 hours so far. 9 hours seems quite a lot for post-install configuration, and securing, particularly since most(not all) of the security is integrated into the previous steps. granted this is a vanilla rpm system, but given the requirements, can anyone suggest a reason why not to go for a vanilla rpm system. With rpms you have the benefit testing that is done by rh labs as well as thousands of other users. The only testing of custom compiles is that which you do yourself. I think a professional should take a lot less time. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] [Off] How much time should this take?
Iggep wrote: John Nichel wrote: Brian Dunning wrote: I got a 12-hour invoice from a consultant who was tasked to do the following: - Install a Red Hat machine from absolute scratch for PHP/MySQL/Apache - Copy over some MySQL databases - Have mod_rewrite working via htaccess, and have wildcard DNS I realize there are a billion different variables - I don't know specifically what distribution he used, or any other variables - but what are the chances that his invoice is reasonable? Assume that he should know what he's doing without having to learn anything. Thanks... Sounds about right. I just set up a box Tuesdaytook me about 9 hours. Installed RHEL 3.0 AS, Apache 1.3.x, PHP 4.4.0, mod_perl, MySQL 4.0.x, CVS, etc. from scratch. Wednesday I took about 4 hours tweaking and locking down the box before I put it on the network. How on earth could you take 9 hours to do this? Thats a ridiculously long time to do something such as this. Well, perhaps I could see that if you were fumbling around with no plan in mind. Just installing and then going over things as you thought of them. But a consultant who proffers to do this? No way. It shouldn't have taken even half of the time billed and probably 1-2 hours less than even that. Well then, enlighten us as to the plan you have in mind, and how it will take you less than 4.5 hours. -- John C. Nichel ÜberGeek KegWorks.com 716.856.9675 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] [Off] How much time should this take?
On 9/16/05, John Nichel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brian Dunning wrote: > > I got a 12-hour invoice from a consultant who was tasked to do the > > following: > > > > - Install a Red Hat machine from absolute scratch for PHP/MySQL/Apache > > > > - Copy over some MySQL databases > > > > - Have mod_rewrite working via htaccess, and have wildcard DNS > > > > I realize there are a billion different variables - I don't know > > specifically what distribution he used, or any other variables - but > > what are the chances that his invoice is reasonable? Assume that he > > should know what he's doing without having to learn anything. Thanks... > > > > Sounds about right. I just set up a box Tuesdaytook me about 9 > hours. Installed RHEL 3.0 AS, Apache 1.3.x, PHP 4.4.0, mod_perl, MySQL > 4.0.x, CVS, etc. from scratch. Wednesday I took about 4 hours tweaking > and locking down the box before I put it on the network. > > -- > John C. Nichel > ÜberGeek > KegWorks.com > 716.856.9675 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > Well, we just had a box with a fresh install using http://www.centos.org/ .. it cost about $500 to have someone do it for us.. centos is redhat, apache & mysql and a bunch of other stuff... now that i know what was used, i probably would just do it myself... not to say that i could have done the install as fast -- Joe Harman - Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. - Ralph Waldo Emerson -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] [Off] How much time should this take?
Brian Dunning wrote: I got a 12-hour invoice from a consultant who was tasked to do the following: - Install a Red Hat machine from absolute scratch for PHP/MySQL/Apache - Copy over some MySQL databases - Have mod_rewrite working via htaccess, and have wildcard DNS I realize there are a billion different variables - I don't know specifically what distribution he used, or any other variables - but what are the chances that his invoice is reasonable? Assume that he should know what he's doing without having to learn anything. Thanks... Sounds about right. I just set up a box Tuesdaytook me about 9 hours. Installed RHEL 3.0 AS, Apache 1.3.x, PHP 4.4.0, mod_perl, MySQL 4.0.x, CVS, etc. from scratch. Wednesday I took about 4 hours tweaking and locking down the box before I put it on the network. -- John C. Nichel ÜberGeek KegWorks.com 716.856.9675 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] [Off] How much time should this take?
I got a 12-hour invoice from a consultant who was tasked to do the following: - Install a Red Hat machine from absolute scratch for PHP/MySQL/Apache - Copy over some MySQL databases - Have mod_rewrite working via htaccess, and have wildcard DNS I realize there are a billion different variables - I don't know specifically what distribution he used, or any other variables - but what are the chances that his invoice is reasonable? Assume that he should know what he's doing without having to learn anything. Thanks... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
