Re: [PHP] Re: Something you can do with AJAX + PHP as well
At 5:02 PM +0200 10/11/07, Per Jessen wrote: tedd wrote: For example: If you have a process that is taking time server-side and want to let the user know in real time what the progress is, this is one way to do it. That's not something (by definition) you can do with javascript alone, right? Correct, but it doesn't require any ajax either. That was my main point. Yes, but I didn't say that my demo *required* ajax either -- so, I don't know why you want to make a point about something not claimed? Here's my demo: http://webbytedd.com/b/timed-php/ Where does it say that Ajax is required?! The demo is self explanatory as to what it is showing. I simply created the demo and presented it here for review. But for some, instead of understanding what the demo was doing, made statements that it was an overkill that could be done more simply by using javascript alone, which was absolutely not true and clearly demonstrated that they didn't understand the demo (my bad for not making it more clear). If you have something constructive to say in relation to the demo, please do. But, I think it's misleading and confusing to point out something that was not claimed and then object to it. Why do that? That's just being argumentative for no reason. I'll tell you what, why don't you create a demo to exhibit whatever points you want to make? I am sure that my comments will be more germane. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Something you can do with AJAX + PHP as well
tedd wrote: At 3:27 PM +0200 10/10/07, Per Jessen wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: What do you think of this? http://webbytedd.com/b/timed-php/ It's a combination of using both ajax and php together. I'd say overkill for the end result (could be done in plain Javascript without any Ajax calls), That was my reaction too. I've used iframe/rpc for about three years - ajax doesn't improve on the basic functionality. /Per Jessen, Zürich The rotation of a graphic could be done in javascript, that's true. But, the process demonstrated goes a bit deeper than that. Hi Tedd, OK, what exactly have you demonstrated that could not have been done using javascript/iframe-rpc ? ajax is nothing but javascript, and in principle it is exactly the same as using iframe-rpc. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Something you can do with AJAX + PHP as well
At 8:40 AM +0200 10/11/07, Per Jessen wrote: tedd wrote: At 3:27 PM +0200 10/10/07, Per Jessen wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: What do you think of this? http://webbytedd.com/b/timed-php/ It's a combination of using both ajax and php together. I'd say overkill for the end result (could be done in plain Javascript without any Ajax calls), That was my reaction too. I've used iframe/rpc for about three years - ajax doesn't improve on the basic functionality. /Per Jessen, Zürich The rotation of a graphic could be done in javascript, that's true. But, the process demonstrated goes a bit deeper than that. Hi Tedd, OK, what exactly have you demonstrated that could not have been done using javascript/iframe-rpc ? ajax is nothing but javascript, and in principle it is exactly the same as using iframe-rpc. I dunno -- I've never used iframe-rpc and I'm not commenting pro/con about it. I was just saying that my demo is a combination of using php and ajax to produce something. Now, maybe some people want to call it an overkill and say that *everything* could be done in javascript alone. That's fine, but they are missing the point I'm failing to make. My demo is just another (not unique) way to use both javascript and php to solve a problem. For example: If you have a process that is taking time server-side and want to let the user know in real time what the progress is, this is one way to do it. That's not something (by definition) you can do with javascript alone, right? There are other applications, but if you fail to see the basic concept, then you also fail to see the opportunity. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Something you can do with AJAX + PHP as well
tedd wrote: For example: If you have a process that is taking time server-side and want to let the user know in real time what the progress is, this is one way to do it. That's not something (by definition) you can do with javascript alone, right? Correct, but it doesn't require any ajax either. That was my main point. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Something you can do with AJAX + PHP as well
Colin Guthrie wrote: What do you think of this? http://webbytedd.com/b/timed-php/ It's a combination of using both ajax and php together. I'd say overkill for the end result (could be done in plain Javascript without any Ajax calls), That was my reaction too. I've used iframe/rpc for about three years - ajax doesn't improve on the basic functionality. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Something you can do with AJAX + PHP as well
At 3:27 PM +0200 10/10/07, Per Jessen wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: What do you think of this? http://webbytedd.com/b/timed-php/ It's a combination of using both ajax and php together. I'd say overkill for the end result (could be done in plain Javascript without any Ajax calls), That was my reaction too. I've used iframe/rpc for about three years - ajax doesn't improve on the basic functionality. /Per Jessen, Zürich The rotation of a graphic could be done in javascript, that's true. But, the process demonstrated goes a bit deeper than that. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Something you can do with AJAX + PHP as well
Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] I saved it and it played in Winamp, but no audio [/snip] So, is it worth going to all of the trouble to see? In a word, no. I watched it fine in Firefox on Linux with mplayer pluing. It just worked(tm) for me! But overall I have to say I was somewhat disappointed. It was just your standard Ajax stuff really, nothing PHP related at all and nothing that isn't done slicker on Facebook and Flickr and other good Web 2.0 sites. Sorry Mark but that's just the way it is. I'm sure it's useful in the context but I wouldn't say it's rocket science or visually impressive. Col Col: What do you think of this? http://webbytedd.com/b/timed-php/ It's a combination of using both ajax and php together. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Something you can do with AJAX + PHP as well
tedd wrote: Col: What do you think of this? http://webbytedd.com/b/timed-php/ It's a combination of using both ajax and php together. I'd say overkill for the end result (could be done in plain Javascript without any Ajax calls), but then that's not really the point of the page... it's more to demonstrate the methods rather than the end results... and just goes to show that there are multiple methods of removing the epidermus from a feline. :p Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Something you can do with AJAX + PHP as well
At 5:52 PM +0100 10/9/07, Colin Guthrie wrote: tedd wrote: Col: What do you think of this? http://webbytedd.com/b/timed-php/ It's a combination of using both ajax and php together. I'd say overkill for the end result (could be done in plain Javascript without any Ajax calls), but then that's not really the point of the page... it's more to demonstrate the methods rather than the end results... and just goes to show that there are multiple methods of removing the epidermus from a feline. :p Col Well yes, it is an overkill to simply display a gif in different positions over time -- but as you said, that was not the point of the demo. While I may be just discovering what's obvious to everyone else, this has been an awakening for me. The idea that I could have processes going on in the background (server-side) and also communicate in real time with the user (client-side) as to what was happening was significant for me. Thus, my preparation of the demo. I see all sorts of applications. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Something you can do with AJAX + PHP as well
Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] I saved it and it played in Winamp, but no audio [/snip] So, is it worth going to all of the trouble to see? In a word, no. I watched it fine in Firefox on Linux with mplayer pluing. It just worked(tm) for me! But overall I have to say I was somewhat disappointed. It was just your standard Ajax stuff really, nothing PHP related at all and nothing that isn't done slicker on Facebook and Flickr and other good Web 2.0 sites. Sorry Mark but that's just the way it is. I'm sure it's useful in the context but I wouldn't say it's rocket science or visually impressive. Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
