[PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger recommendations besides Zend?

2009-11-09 Thread Dave M G
PHP List,

I won't go into a big rant about Zend, and instead simply say that while
I was using Zend Studio to debug PHP pages since version 5.0. I was
never really all that happy with it. It seemed to be the most complete
debugging environment for PHP, so I put up with it. I will say that the
Studio installation procedure has got better, but setting up a reliable
debugging server has not.

Now, the current version of Zend Studio (7.0) is based on Eclipse (I
think since v6.0), and so I'm just not sure what I'm paying for anymore.
Aptana Studio, also based on Eclipse has pretty much the exact same
interface and can even connect to a Zend server.

Since one of those is free, I can't see why I wouldn't switch. The issue
for me is that paying for Zend hasn't really saved me much hassle, so
even if Aptana has difficulties, at least they are free difficulties.

The main failing point, so far as I can see, of Aptana/Xdebug, is a lack
of good, clear, documentation (also note that Zend doesn't have great
documentation either). Especially on how to set it up.

I was wondering if anyone has used it and could provide a link or
instructions on how to get the debugging environment up and running.

Or, equally as valuable, would be recommendations on other debugging
environments. The key is finding one that has a clear set of
instructions for how to set it up (On Ubuntu/Debian Linux with a local
LAMP server.)

Thanks for any advice.

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Dave M G

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Re: [PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger recommendations besides Zend?

2009-11-09 Thread Ali Asghar Toraby Parizy
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Martin Scotta martinsco...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Arno Kuhl ak...@telkomsa.net wrote:

  -Original Message-
  From: Dave M G [mailto:mar...@autotelic.com]
  Sent: 09 November 2009 05:36 PM
  To: php-general@lists.php.net
  Subject: [PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger
  recommendations besides Zend?
 
  PHP List,
 
  I won't go into a big rant about Zend, and instead simply say that while
 I
  was using Zend Studio to debug PHP pages since version 5.0. I was never
  really all that happy with it. It seemed to be the most complete
 debugging
  environment for PHP, so I put up with it. I will say that the Studio
  installation procedure has got better, but setting up a reliable
 debugging
  server has not.
 
  Now, the current version of Zend Studio (7.0) is based on Eclipse (I
 think
  since v6.0), and so I'm just not sure what I'm paying for anymore.
  Aptana Studio, also based on Eclipse has pretty much the exact same
  interface and can even connect to a Zend server.
 
  Since one of those is free, I can't see why I wouldn't switch. The issue
  for
  me is that paying for Zend hasn't really saved me much hassle, so even if
  Aptana has difficulties, at least they are free difficulties.
 
  The main failing point, so far as I can see, of Aptana/Xdebug, is a lack
 of
  good, clear, documentation (also note that Zend doesn't have great
  documentation either). Especially on how to set it up.
 
  I was wondering if anyone has used it and could provide a link or
  instructions on how to get the debugging environment up and running.
 
  Or, equally as valuable, would be recommendations on other debugging
  environments. The key is finding one that has a clear set of instructions
  for how to set it up (On Ubuntu/Debian Linux with a local LAMP server.)
 
  Thanks for any advice.
 
  Dave M G
  --
 
  Dave, take a look at PhpED from Nusphere. I've used the Windows version
  very
  happily for the last 6 years. There is a Linux version but I haven't
 tried
  it so can't comment - from the forum I gather that most users use the
  Windows version. Debugging in PhpED is brilliant, but so is the rest of
 the
  IDE. I also looked at Zend Studio every now and then over the last few
  years
  to see how it was progressing, but wasn't that impressed.
 
  Cheers
  Arno
 
 
 
 
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 Why anyone needs to buy a IDE for develop PHP code?

 You can use any text editor.

 I use SciTE. It is free and open source.
 It does not provide any tool of any kind. It just allow me to write code,
 and that's all I need.

 Also there are a lot of tools for development.
 And IDE is just a fat text editor with lot of tools on it, and in some
 cases
 it can make your development slower.

 You can improve your development with a set of lightweight tools, this is
 the linux style.

 --
 Martin Scotta

What do you think IDE is?
Do you think you can build a real commercial application without debugging
and project management tools?