Re: [PHP] Crossing over to the Darkside?
On Sat, October 14, 2006 7:52 am, Ross wrote: I am very suprised how easy things like user auhtentication and form validation is. Literally in minutes. Even though I have written a similar script many times for php there is always some tweeking or modifying required before it fits the project. The asp object model is far superior, something that PHP developers can't really argue against. It makes the easy things easy, and the hard things harder. :-) -What is planned for the next version of PHP? Google for PHP 6 Roadmap Subscribe to php-internals or read its archives There's no secret path of what's coming down the pike -- More like wading through tons of arguments, actually. :-) -How many of you use both of the technologies? I used to use ASP -- Never again. Okay, wait... Yeah, hand me $1,000,000 up-front as a signing bonus, and I'll consider it. This is not a joke. -What influences your decision when using either ASP, .NET, or PHP If you want to do anything USEFUL in ASP or .NET, you can expect to pay through the nose, or get nickel and dimed to death for things that kinda sorta don't really work right, but they're cheap. I know people feel very strongly about PHP, however I don't want to start an argument, just want a decent discussion, I'm not trying to be argumentative, though it probably sounds that way... This is simply my real-world experience of ASP. YMMV -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Crossing over to the Darkside?
Hello, Having used php for a while now and am fairly competent I was persuaded by a collegue to look into asp.net. I decided to download the free trial of VS2005 and start with a few tutorials. I am very suprised how easy things like user auhtentication and form validation is. Literally in minutes. Even though I have written a similar script many times for php there is always some tweeking or modifying required before it fits the project. The asp object model is far superior, something that PHP developers can't really argue against. Now I know asp .net is not ideal for all projects but I am now thinking that there are some projects that would be suited to the use of .net and the development time would be greatly reduced. I would like to know -What is planned for the next version of PHP? -How many of you use both of the technologies? -What influences your decision when using either ASP, .NET, or PHP I know people feel very strongly about PHP, however I don't want to start an argument, just want a decent discussion, Regards, R. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Crossing over to the Darkside?
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-10-14 13:52:50 +0100: Having used php for a while now and am fairly competent I was persuaded by a collegue to look into asp.net. I decided to download the free trial of VS2005 and start with a few tutorials. I am very suprised how easy things like user auhtentication and form validation is. Literally in minutes. Even though I have written a similar script many times for php there is always some tweeking or modifying required before it fits the project. The asp object model is far superior, That's a comparision of code you wrote in PHP with code Microsoft programmers wrote in C#, and has nothing to do with PHP. something that PHP developers can't really argue against. It's hard to say either way since you didn't show us your code. Are you aware that you're comparing libraries, not programming languages? There's a gazillion authentication libraries written in PHP to choose from if you can't write one yourself. Now I know asp .net is not ideal for all projects but I am now thinking that there are some projects that would be suited to the use of .net and the development time would be greatly reduced. Well, libraries boost development. I would like to know -What is planned for the next version of PHP? -How many of you use both of the technologies? -What influences your decision when using either ASP, .NET, or PHP License. -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Crossing over to the Darkside?
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-10-14 16:53:34 +: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-10-14 13:52:50 +0100: -What influences your decision when using either ASP, .NET, or PHP License. Scratch that, TCO is it. License is a mere contributor to TCO. -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Crossing over to the Darkside?
On 10/14/06, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Having used php for a while now and am fairly competent I was persuaded by a collegue to look into asp.net. I decided to download the free trial of VS2005 and start with a few tutorials. I am very suprised how easy things like user auhtentication and form validation is. Literally in minutes. Even though I have written a similar script many times for php there is always some tweeking or modifying required before it fits the project. The asp object model is far superior, something that PHP developers can't really argue against. That's a bit like saying that apples are better than oranges. PHP and ASP.NET, while they were designed to server similar, but not identical purposes, are different tools. PHP is a programming language, but ASP.NET is a platform, built on the dotNET framework. You could compare something like CakePHP to ASP.NET, in pretty much the same way as you could compare PHP itself to C#. Now I know asp .net is not ideal for all projects but I am now thinking that there are some projects that would be suited to the use of .net and the development time would be greatly reduced. I would like to know Unless dotNET is a total absolute piece of crap, them I'm sure there are some things that are better suited to the ASP.NET than to their PHP counterpart. I suspect this would be mainly things that integrate with other MS technologies. -What is planned for the next version of PHP? Google is good for you. http://www.corephp.co.uk/archives/19-Prepare-for-PHP-6.html -How many of you use both of the technologies? -What influences your decision when using either ASP, .NET, or PHP The first thing it would depend on would be whether I wanted a framework or a programming language. If I wanted a framework I'd go with ( out of the above choices ) ASP.NET, where as if I wanted a programming language I'd go for PHP. Given the choice however, I'd go with a PHP based framework for websites, unless they had to integrate with windos services. I don't currently know ASP.NET enough to use it for production purposes, added to the fact that most of our machines are Solaris, and not Windos. I know people feel very strongly about PHP, however I don't want to start an argument, just want a decent discussion, You serious? I would never have thought people on the PHP mailing list would have any interest at all on PHP.
Re: [PHP] Crossing over to the Darkside?
I agree with Roman and Rory's comments, but I figure I might be able to add something, so here goes... On Oct 14, 2006, at 5:52 AM, Ross wrote: I am very suprised how easy things like user auhtentication and form validation is. Literally in minutes. Even though I have written a similar script many times for php there is always some tweeking or modifying required before it fits the project. Checkout : - Zend Studio - Zend Platform - Zend Framework - Dreamweaver Google search: - PHP Framework - PHP library Also checkout Ruby on Rails. Last, but not least, search the PHP mailing list for other available PHP frameworks for leads. Keep in mind that editors may save you some work, but they often use a generic approach - bloated code, less efficient code, code that doesn't meet the specific needs of your project, code that's difficult to change without fighting the editor, and code that's more difficult to troubleshoot when you run into problems. Some people are actually faster when coding manually, but that applies to C# just as much as it does to PHP. The asp object model is far superior, something that PHP developers can't really argue against. On what basis are you saying one is superior? It sounds like you're still trying to learn the differences between your options in order to choose which one to focus on. Please list individual reasons for the superiority that you're talking about and give people a chance to provide counter arguments or counter examples. Every language, development platform, and development library has strengths and weaknesses. Now I know asp .net is not ideal for all projects but I am now thinking that there are some projects that would be suited to the use of .net and the development time would be greatly reduced. Sure, but the same thing could be said for PHP and some of it's available development tools. I would like to know -What is planned for the next version of PHP? In case you're not already checking, you'll have a more balanced comparison if you also find out what's planned for the next version of ASP or .NET. -How many of you use both of the technologies? I do. It's more expensive. There's a lot more work in applying updates. There's also a lot more work to stay current with changes in technology; Jack of all trades, master of none. -What influences your decision when using either ASP, .NET, or PHP The individual needs of each project. It's usually best to stick with whatever the customer is using if they already have a large investment in a particular technology. However, it is sometimes cost effective to switch if the customer can afford it - Google PHP versus ASP or PHP versus .NET for plenty of examples. Google Linux versus Windows; this ties into the debate. Compare the cost of hiring developers for each of the technologies. Compare the cost of hosting on Linux versus hosting on Windows. Compare the security of IIS versus Apache. And, like someone else mentioned, compare your value in being able to develop on one platform versus your value in being able to develop for one server platform versus your value in being able to develop for all of the server platforms that Apache/PHP work under. I've seen examples of .NET being implemented under UNIX; they didn't work all that well from what I saw, but researching this might also add to your pool of knowledge on which direction to go. -Ed -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
