Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
Richard Heyes wrote: I have less issues with Chrome and its beta Not thrashing my HDD is also kinda basic, but Chrome 0.2 was more than happy to do that. Thrashing? That's not a bug... it's a feature and that thrashing was chrome indexing (read harvesting information) your hard drive. Mark -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
Mark Weaver wrote: Richard Heyes wrote: I have less issues with Chrome and its beta Not thrashing my HDD is also kinda basic, but Chrome 0.2 was more than happy to do that. Thrashing? That's not a bug... it's a feature and that thrashing was chrome indexing (read harvesting information) your hard drive. Mark This is why I removed it from my system. -- Jim Lucas Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them. Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
This is why I removed it from my system. FWIW, it doesn't do it now. I still by far prefer Firefox. If anything, it's because of Firebug. -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated December 5th) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Everyone has their favorite unstandardized feature they'd love IE to support. (Personally I'd be delighted by -ms-border-radius and content:uri() support.) Nope, I don't have a single one. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
Hi, a client reported problems with a web app written by me with IE8. Why on earth would you support a beta browser? -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated November 29th) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, a client reported problems with a web app written by me with IE8. Why on earth would you support a beta browser? -- Richard Heyes Agreed. Test your site in the beta if you have time so you can anticipate (and hopefully plan fixes for) issues that will need attention when the official version is released, but supporting a beta often causes you to chase problems that MAY be resolved in the official release. Or, in some cases, the final release could have a whole different batch of problems than the beta. :-) Andrew -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] IE8 and HTML5
Hi, From a recent IEBlog post: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/12/03/compatibility-view-improvements-to-come-in-ie8.aspx ...and our start on HTML5 support. Does this mean canvas support? Is it as a direct result of Chrome being released and MS realising (finally) they are going to have to remain competitive? Wouldn't that be nice? -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated November 29th) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
On Thursday 04 December 2008 10:45:21 Richard Heyes wrote: Hi, From a recent IEBlog post: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/12/03/compatibility-view-improvements -to-come-in-ie8.aspx Microsoft and Standarts ? Ship load of crap... Every web developer should open class action suit against M$ because of IE and M$ should banned from to create web browser for ever... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:44 AM, Sancar Saran [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thursday 04 December 2008 10:45:21 Richard Heyes wrote: Hi, From a recent IEBlog post: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/12/03/compatibility-view-improvements -to-come-in-ie8.aspx Microsoft and Standarts ? Ship load of crap... Every web developer should open class action suit against M$ because of IE and M$ should banned from to create web browser for ever... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I am running IE8 beta and its a PoS. Constantly crashing and flaky as shit. -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
I am running IE8 beta and its a PoS. Constantly crashing and flaky as shit. Point of Sale...? -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated November 29th) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running IE8 beta and its a PoS. Constantly crashing and flaky as shit. Point of Sale...? -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated November 29th) haha -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
I am running IE8 beta and its a PoS. Constantly crashing and flaky as shit. Devil's Advocate It's a beta. What do you expect? /Devil's Advocate -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Jay Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running IE8 beta and its a PoS. Constantly crashing and flaky as shit. Devil's Advocate It's a beta. What do you expect? /Devil's Advocate -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php How about not throwing a js error on opening a new tab? Kinda basic, even MS should be able to handle that or so I would have hoped. I have less issues with Chrome and its beta -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
Bastien Koert wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Jay Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running IE8 beta and its a PoS. Constantly crashing and flaky as shit. Devil's Advocate It's a beta. What do you expect? /Devil's Advocate -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php How about not throwing a js error on opening a new tab? Kinda basic, even MS should be able to handle that or so I would have hoped. I have less issues with Chrome and its beta At least have the decency to wait till it's out of beta to complain about all the issues that should have been fixed in the beta. Don't worry. They'll still be there. ;) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
I have less issues with Chrome and its beta Not thrashing my HDD is also kinda basic, but Chrome 0.2 was more than happy to do that. -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated November 29th) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Heyes Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:10 AM To: Bastien Koert Cc: Jay Moore; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5 I have less issues with Chrome and its beta Not thrashing my HDD is also kinda basic, but Chrome 0.2 was more than happy to do that. http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php Iron: Chromium source re-worked for efficiency and privacy. Not sure if it will solve your thrashing issue, but then again... I'm not sure how or why a browser would cause your HDD to thrash in the first place. Got a lot of questionable videos open in several tabs, eh? ;) I've had Firefox thrash sometimes when it's loading lots of Applets and Flash objects, etc., though, so I guess I can understand. (And don't get me wrong--I had tons of problems with Chrome; mostly about crashing unexpectedly.) // Todd -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
(And don't get me wrong--I had tons of problems with Chrome; mostly about crashing unexpectedly.) That was the only one for me, and it doesn't do it anymore. Guess it was an update to 0.4 (?) that fixed it. Switching to FF fixed it quite well... Thing is, it's a beater - until it gets close to a 1 version, I'm not going to worry about it. -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated November 29th) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 17:37 +, Richard Heyes wrote: (And don't get me wrong--I had tons of problems with Chrome; mostly about crashing unexpectedly.) That was the only one for me, and it doesn't do it anymore. Guess it was an update to 0.4 (?) that fixed it. Switching to FF fixed it quite well... Thing is, it's a beater - until it gets close to a 1 version, I'm not going to worry about it. -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated November 29th) I recall M$ saying a lot of the same during IE7 development, then they fell behind schedule, and decided that focusing on standards wasn't that important and they needed to re-align their focus. Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
Richard Heyes wrote: From a recent IEBlog post: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/12/03/compatibility-view-improvements-to-come-in-ie8.aspx ...and our start on HTML5 support. Does this mean canvas support? Not in IE8. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/11/19/ie8-what-s-after-beta-2.aspx#9129600 Everyone has their favorite unstandardized feature they'd love IE to support. (Personally I'd be delighted by -ms-border-radius and content:uri() support.) Experimental support for Canvas and other unstandardized features might be a good thing; I know the spec editors would welcome implementor feedback. It would be a shame, however, if we were locked into a technically poor solution thanks to the most popular browser implementing an early version of the specification, websites beginning to rely on that behaviour, and subsequent versions of the specification being forced to mandate such behaviour. I haven't used Canvas much, but it seems to me there a lot of areas of Canvas where there's room for further evolution, e.g. proper text width calculations? an accessible Canvas example? what about 3D? Is it as a direct result of Chrome being released and MS realising (finally) they are going to have to remain competitive? Given Chrome's poor rate of take-up and tendency to canibalize the userbases of non-MS browsers, I somewhat doubt it. http://blog.statcounter.com/2008/09/chrome-whos-losing/ Regardless of Chrome's technical merits, it seems to me that it's Firefox's growing userbase, tailed by the other popular browsers in some markets, that has long represented the market challenge to IE. http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm Could be I'm underestimating the effects of press hype about chrome on MS's strategy, but I think actually Microsoft's turn towards a stronger emphasis on standards support long preceded the release of Chrome. For example: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx Given that IE8 was already in beta when Chrome was released, standard support in IE8 is mostly a product of decisions taken before that time. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
-Original Message- From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:15 PM To: Richard Heyes Cc: php List Subject: Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5 Richard Heyes wrote: From a recent IEBlog post: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/12/03/compatibility-view- improvements-to-come-in-ie8.aspx ...and our start on HTML5 support. Does this mean canvas support? Not in IE8. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/11/19/ie8-what-s-after-beta- 2.aspx#9129600 Everyone has their favorite unstandardized feature they'd love IE to support. (Personally I'd be delighted by -ms-border-radius and content:uri() support.) Experimental support for Canvas and other unstandardized features might be a good thing; I know the spec editors would welcome implementor feedback. It would be a shame, however, if we were locked into a technically poor solution thanks to the most popular browser implementing an early version of the specification, websites beginning to rely on that behaviour, and subsequent versions of the specification being forced to mandate such behaviour. I haven't used Canvas much, but it seems to me there a lot of areas of Canvas where there's room for further evolution, e.g. proper text width calculations? an accessible Canvas example? what about 3D? Is it as a direct result of Chrome being released and MS realising (finally) they are going to have to remain competitive? Given Chrome's poor rate of take-up and tendency to canibalize the userbases of non-MS browsers, I somewhat doubt it. http://blog.statcounter.com/2008/09/chrome-whos-losing/ Regardless of Chrome's technical merits, it seems to me that it's Firefox's growing userbase, tailed by the other popular browsers in some markets, that has long represented the market challenge to IE. http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm Could be I'm underestimating the effects of press hype about chrome on MS's strategy, but I think actually Microsoft's turn towards a stronger emphasis on standards support long preceded the release of Chrome. For example: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s- interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx Given that IE8 was already in beta when Chrome was released, standard support in IE8 is mostly a product of decisions taken before that time. Well, as far as canvas / in IE, you can fake it with Javascript: http://me.eae.net/archive/2005/12/29/canvas-in-ie/ Yes, this is another patchwork circumvention routine to drag IE, kicking and screaming, into the world of web browsing that exists outside of Quirks Mode... but it works. HTH, // Todd -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE8 and HTML5
Recently, I installed IE8 beta 2 and whenever I start it, DEP comes in and says, this application is not secure... I haven't got it to run as yet. The reason I installed it was because a client reported problems with a web app written by me with IE8. Now I can't run IE altogether lol. Yeah, I knew before I installed it, that whenever M$ claim that it's beta, it more like a alpha release with version no 0.0001a and when they sell it it's beta... lol On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, From a recent IEBlog post: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/12/03/compatibility-view-improvements-to-come-in-ie8.aspx ...and our start on HTML5 support. Does this mean canvas support? Is it as a direct result of Chrome being released and MS realising (finally) they are going to have to remain competitive? Wouldn't that be nice? -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated November 29th) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Tim-Hinnerk Heuer http://www.ihostnz.com -- Web Design, Hosting and free Linux Support
