Re: [PHP] Manual contradiction concerning string access?
On Tue, February 20, 2007 10:15 am, Christian Heinrich wrote:
> today, I read in a german PHP forum about a problem with accessing an
> offset of a string.
>
> For example, if you have a variable like
>
> $string = "this is my string";
>
> and you want to access the third character at once, I would suggest to
> use
>
> $string{2}
>
> so this will return the "i".
>
> The (german!) manual says about that:
> (http://de.php.net/manual/de/language.types.string.php#language.types.string.substr)
>
>> *Anmerkung: * Für Abwärtskompatibilität können Sie für den selben
>> Zweck immer noch die Array-Klammern verwenden. Diese Syntax wird
>> jedoch seit PHP 4 missbilligt.
>
> (Translation:)
>
>> *Note: *For downwards compatibility you may use the array brackets
>> as
>> well. But as of PHP 4, this syntax is deprecated.
>
> The english manual says: (Link:
> http://de.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#language.types.string.substr
> )
>
>> *Note: * They may also be accessed using braces like $str{42} for
>> the
>> same purpose. However, using square array-brackets is preferred
>> because the {braces} style is deprecated as of PHP 6.
>
>
> I'm a little bit confused by now. Which style should I pick? I use PHP
> 4
> and 5. Is there any other difference?
>
> It would be great if someone could solve that contradiction within the
> manual, too.
We have made a bit of a mess of this...
In early versions of PHP, it was considered "good" by the PHP Dev Team
to be able to access a string as an array.
$third = $foo[2];
$foo[2] = 'j';
Later PHP Dev Team members thought that was "icky" and decided to
change it to use {} and deprecated [].
Still others thought it was icky and one should only use substr to
read a string, and, I guess, never replace a single character directly
in a string.
Then, a backlash occurred, as far as I can tell, and [] was back in
vogue, or at least {} was deprecated.
There is still a camp that wants [] to die, and only have substr.
The German translation is "out of date", by one round of changes in
all this.
I am not 100% certain of the future status of [], but will personally
be pretty cranky if it goes away, as I happen to like it.
I know others feel differently, however, and would prefer to not have
yet another flame war on this issue, so am trying to present a
balanced view.
I suspect that even if [] is still deprecated, or again deprecated,
that it won't disappear as a feature for a long time, because it's
just "out there" in too much code, and will be almost impossible to
find and "fix"...
You may want to check in with the internals@ list, as this is really
more their kind of question/discussion...
YMMV
NAIAA
IANAL
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Re: [PHP] Manual contradiction concerning string access?
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 17:21 +0100, Németh Zoltán wrote:
> AFAIK the english manual is more up to date, so I would follow that
>
> greets
> Zoltán Németh
>
> 2007. 02. 20, kedd keltezéssel 17.15-kor Christian Heinrich ezt írta:
> > Dear list,
> >
> > today, I read in a german PHP forum about a problem with accessing an
> > offset of a string.
> >
> > For example, if you have a variable like
> >
> > $string = "this is my string";
> >
> > and you want to access the third character at once, I would suggest to use
> >
> > $string{2}
Use [], internals recently (7 months or so ago) reversed their opinion
of on deprecating [] for strings in favour of {}. The {} almost got
deprecated itself, but was saved in lieu of user feedback on internals.
So it would seem [] is the superior choice and {} may someday get cut.
This is in spite of the PHP group original recommending {}.
Cheers,
Rob.
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Re: [PHP] Manual contradiction concerning string access?
AFAIK the english manual is more up to date, so I would follow that
greets
Zoltán Németh
2007. 02. 20, kedd keltezéssel 17.15-kor Christian Heinrich ezt írta:
> Dear list,
>
> today, I read in a german PHP forum about a problem with accessing an
> offset of a string.
>
> For example, if you have a variable like
>
> $string = "this is my string";
>
> and you want to access the third character at once, I would suggest to use
>
> $string{2}
>
> so this will return the "i".
>
> The (german!) manual says about that:
> (http://de.php.net/manual/de/language.types.string.php#language.types.string.substr)
>
> > *Anmerkung: * Für Abwärtskompatibilität können Sie für den selben
> > Zweck immer noch die Array-Klammern verwenden. Diese Syntax wird
> > jedoch seit PHP 4 missbilligt.
>
> (Translation:)
>
> > *Note: *For downwards compatibility you may use the array brackets as
> > well. But as of PHP 4, this syntax is deprecated.
>
> The english manual says: (Link:
> http://de.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#language.types.string.substr
>
> )
>
> > *Note: * They may also be accessed using braces like $str{42} for the
> > same purpose. However, using square array-brackets is preferred
> > because the {braces} style is deprecated as of PHP 6.
>
>
> I'm a little bit confused by now. Which style should I pick? I use PHP 4
> and 5. Is there any other difference?
>
> It would be great if someone could solve that contradiction within the
> manual, too.
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Sincere regards
> Christian Heinrich
>
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[PHP] Manual contradiction concerning string access?
Dear list,
today, I read in a german PHP forum about a problem with accessing an
offset of a string.
For example, if you have a variable like
$string = "this is my string";
and you want to access the third character at once, I would suggest to use
$string{2}
so this will return the "i".
The (german!) manual says about that:
(http://de.php.net/manual/de/language.types.string.php#language.types.string.substr)
*Anmerkung: * Für Abwärtskompatibilität können Sie für den selben
Zweck immer noch die Array-Klammern verwenden. Diese Syntax wird
jedoch seit PHP 4 missbilligt.
(Translation:)
*Note: *For downwards compatibility you may use the array brackets as
well. But as of PHP 4, this syntax is deprecated.
The english manual says: (Link:
http://de.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#language.types.string.substr
)
*Note: * They may also be accessed using braces like $str{42} for the
same purpose. However, using square array-brackets is preferred
because the {braces} style is deprecated as of PHP 6.
I'm a little bit confused by now. Which style should I pick? I use PHP 4
and 5. Is there any other difference?
It would be great if someone could solve that contradiction within the
manual, too.
Thanks in advance.
Sincere regards
Christian Heinrich
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