Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread mlists

A university, which hypes the need for an education, charges a fortune
for it (causing people to go into massive debt to get it), and then
turns around an offers less than a living wage is hypocritical.

Becoming university staff takes a couple years, after which salaries
are competivitive with the going rates.  So for the first couple of
years you get taken advantage of and then, maybe, you will get paid
more!

That is just not fair.



On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 14:28 -0400, Greg Gay wrote:
 Rob/mlists
 
 You're certainly not encouraging PHP programmers to get involved with
 paid open source projects. That's a guaranteed $50,000 a yr, a little
 low perhaps by industry standards, but it is a reasonable starting rate,
 and gets your foot in the door.
 
 You should have a look at who the employer is, and what they do. They
 (we) are
 looking for a person who has done their research. This is more than
 just a job. It has the potential to introduce applicants to a world of
 experience, not just code crunching, but getting involved with the
 groups who introduce new technologies and working on leading edge
 projects (groups like the W3C, IMS, ISO, AICC, and many others) .
 Experiences you won't get as a programmer for your average software
 developer. The ATRC is involved with most standards bodies around the
 world, and has dozen of open source projects on the go.
 
 Becoming university staff takes a couple years, after which salaries are
 competivitive with the going rates. Not to mention a full set of
 benefits, pension, excellent working environment, including flexible
 working hours, travel benefits, free university course (get a masters or
 phd for nothing) etc. Most staff start on a casual/contract basis before
 being moved into the main stream. Our established programmers do earn in
 the 90-100G per year, with benefits on top of that. All included, that's
 somewhere in the $60/hr range, with $0 expenses.
 
 You're auto machanic btw, has overhead included in that rate, so that's
 a rather poor comparison. How much do you think he really makes an hour,
 after paying expenses out of that $99? And of course 4% isn't a bonus.
 Contract workers are paid that weekly, while staff accumulate it so they
 can take holidays and get paid.
 
 
 greg
 
 
 
 
 Robert Cummings wrote:
  On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 13:47 -0400, mlists wrote:
 
 Wow!
 
 Spend $100K on a university degree in computer science, work
 successfully for five years with all the major technologies, and then
 get paid $25 per hour?
 
 
  The poster didn't mention anything about being competent.
 
 
 My auto mechanic charges an average of $99 per hour.
 
 Sounds like a great deal for the university. Maybe the successful
 candidate can work off his student loans.
 
 
  Well 100k is a bit high for a 4 year program. And then again it depends
  on whether you had to move away from your parents to attend university.
  If you live within commute range of your university then you can get
  away with 20 to 30k expenses in Canada (depending on University). If you
  have to cover rent then it's a different story :) That said, Toronto is
  one of the most expensive cities in Canada in which to live. IMHO he
  still thinks the tech sector is in a depression and developers with 5
  years experience can be had for a pittance. What made me laugh was the
  4% vacation pay. That's a legal requirement in Canada for full time
  employment. Not a bonus.
 
  Cheers,
  Rob.
 

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Greg Gay
Some people just have to whine. It's too bad people on this list have to
put up with this behaviour.

We do have a position available for someone who wants to work, and climb
the ladder into what could be a lifelong career working with a leading
edge group of developers.  It is a foot in the door position, with
potential to turn into a staff position, as most of these positions do,
and a secure, well paying career with many benefits. You can find out
more about some of the work undertaken at the centre by visiting the Web
site.

http://atrc.utoronto.ca/index.php?option=com_contenttask=blogcategoryid=26Itemid=109

greg


mlists wrote:

A university, which hypes the need for an education, charges a fortune
for it (causing people to go into massive debt to get it), and then
turns around an offers less than a living wage is hypocritical.

Becoming university staff takes a couple years, after which salaries
are competivitive with the going rates.  So for the first couple of
years you get taken advantage of and then, maybe, you will get paid
more!

That is just not fair.



On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 14:28 -0400, Greg Gay wrote:
  

Rob/mlists

You're certainly not encouraging PHP programmers to get involved with
paid open source projects. That's a guaranteed $50,000 a yr, a little
low perhaps by industry standards, but it is a reasonable starting rate,
and gets your foot in the door.

You should have a look at who the employer is, and what they do. They
(we) are
looking for a person who has done their research. This is more than
just a job. It has the potential to introduce applicants to a world of
experience, not just code crunching, but getting involved with the
groups who introduce new technologies and working on leading edge
projects (groups like the W3C, IMS, ISO, AICC, and many others) .
Experiences you won't get as a programmer for your average software
developer. The ATRC is involved with most standards bodies around the
world, and has dozen of open source projects on the go.

Becoming university staff takes a couple years, after which salaries are
competivitive with the going rates. Not to mention a full set of
benefits, pension, excellent working environment, including flexible
working hours, travel benefits, free university course (get a masters or
phd for nothing) etc. Most staff start on a casual/contract basis before
being moved into the main stream. Our established programmers do earn in
the 90-100G per year, with benefits on top of that. All included, that's
somewhere in the $60/hr range, with $0 expenses.

You're auto machanic btw, has overhead included in that rate, so that's
a rather poor comparison. How much do you think he really makes an hour,
after paying expenses out of that $99? And of course 4% isn't a bonus.
Contract workers are paid that weekly, while staff accumulate it so they
can take holidays and get paid.


greg




Robert Cummings wrote:


On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 13:47 -0400, mlists wrote:

  

Wow!

Spend $100K on a university degree in computer science, work
successfully for five years with all the major technologies, and then
get paid $25 per hour?


The poster didn't mention anything about being competent.


  

My auto mechanic charges an average of $99 per hour.

Sounds like a great deal for the university. Maybe the successful
candidate can work off his student loans.


Well 100k is a bit high for a 4 year program. And then again it depends
on whether you had to move away from your parents to attend university.
If you live within commute range of your university then you can get
away with 20 to 30k expenses in Canada (depending on University). If you
have to cover rent then it's a different story :) That said, Toronto is
one of the most expensive cities in Canada in which to live. IMHO he
still thinks the tech sector is in a depression and developers with 5
years experience can be had for a pittance. What made me laugh was the
4% vacation pay. That's a legal requirement in Canada for full time
employment. Not a bonus.

Cheers,
Rob.
  


  


-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 09:18 -0400, Greg Gay wrote:
 
 http://atrc.utoronto.ca/index.php?option=com_contenttask=blogcategoryid=26Itemid=109

VRML... it makes me cry how it never came to be as popular as it could
have been.

Cheers,
Rob.
-- 
...
SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com

Leveraging the buying power of the masses!
...

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Dan Shirah
I personally think it sounds like a pretty fun job with a lot of potential.
Even if you don't get hired on as staff after the contract is up, you're
still potentially walking away with:
1 - Some excellent business contacts
2 - First hand experience in developing their new applications
3 - More marketability
All of which can help you in getting the job you might really want.

And, while this job may not be ideal for many programmers out there with
that much experience under their belt, you know there is always that
person who has lost their job and is trying hard to find something/anything
to support their family.

So, thank you Greg for posting this opportunity for people to look at.

My only question is.is that $50,000 Canadian dollars or American? :)


On 9/5/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 09:18 -0400, Greg Gay wrote:
 
 
 http://atrc.utoronto.ca/index.php?option=com_contenttask=blogcategoryid=26Itemid=109

 VRML... it makes me cry how it never came to be as popular as it could
 have been.

 Cheers,
 Rob.
 --
 ...
 SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com

Leveraging the buying power of the masses!
 ...

 --
 PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
 To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php




Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Greg Gay


Dan Shirah wrote:

My only question is.is that $50,000 Canadian dollars or American? :)

  

It's in Canadian dollars. Though there's not much difference between
Canadian and American dollars any more.

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 09:47 -0400, Dan Shirah wrote:
 I personally think it sounds like a pretty fun job with a lot of potential.
 Even if you don't get hired on as staff after the contract is up, you're
 still potentially walking away with:
 1 - Some excellent business contacts
 2 - First hand experience in developing their new applications
 3 - More marketability
 All of which can help you in getting the job you might really want.
 
 And, while this job may not be ideal for many programmers out there with
 that much experience under their belt, you know there is always that
 person who has lost their job and is trying hard to find something/anything
 to support their family.
 
 So, thank you Greg for posting this opportunity for people to look at.
 
 My only question is.is that $50,000 Canadian dollars or American? :)

I don't think the currency matters very much anymore... you get $1.05 on
the American dollar these days. It's not like 6 years ago where you got
around a $1.80 :)

Cheers,
Rob.
-- 
...
SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com

Leveraging the buying power of the masses!
...

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Daniel Brown
On 9/5/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
 I don't think the currency matters very much anymore... you get $1.05 on
 the American dollar these days. It's not like 6 years ago where you got
 around a $1.80 :)

Until you think about the fact that the $0.05 difference on the
dollar adds up to $2,500 on a $50k salary.  Not a bank-breaker, but
still worth a mention.  I know I'd certainly like an additional
$2,500.

Actually, I'd like it right now.  Volunteers?  ;-P

-- 
Daniel P. Brown
[office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272
[mobile] (570-) 766-8107

Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day.  Then you'll find out he was
allergic and is hospitalized.  See?  No good deed goes unpunished

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 14:03 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote:
 On 9/5/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [snip]
  I don't think the currency matters very much anymore... you get $1.05 on
  the American dollar these days. It's not like 6 years ago where you got
  around a $1.80 :)
 
 Until you think about the fact that the $0.05 difference on the
 dollar adds up to $2,500 on a $50k salary.  Not a bank-breaker, but
 still worth a mention.  I know I'd certainly like an additional
 $2,500.
 
 Actually, I'd like it right now.  Volunteers?  ;-P

Well $2,500 is $2,500... no arguing that. But 6 years ago you'd have
gotten about $40,000 and that certainly made a BIG difference :) 

Cheers,
Rob.
-- 
...
SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com

Leveraging the buying power of the masses!
...

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Daniel Brown
On 9/5/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well $2,500 is $2,500... no arguing that. But 6 years ago you'd have
 gotten about $40,000 and that certainly made a BIG difference :)

Here, here.

Don't worry, though soon that $50k Canadian will transfer to
$84k+ American.  At which point, I'm going to get a tattoo of a maple
leaf on my face and move north.

-- 
Daniel P. Brown
[office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272
[mobile] (570-) 766-8107

Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day.  Then you'll find out he was
allergic and is hospitalized.  See?  No good deed goes unpunished

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Greg Maruszeczka
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:35:10 -0400
Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 9/5/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well $2,500 is $2,500... no arguing that. But 6 years ago you'd have
  gotten about $40,000 and that certainly made a BIG difference :)
 
 Here, here.
 
 Don't worry, though soon that $50k Canadian will transfer to
 $84k+ American.  At which point, I'm going to get a tattoo of a maple
 leaf on my face and move north.
 


You won't fit in very well with a mapleleaf on your face...er...except
maybe in Toronto :)


G

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Daniel Brown
On 9/5/07, Greg Maruszeczka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You won't fit in very well with a mapleleaf on your face...er...except
 maybe in Toronto :)

Fair enough, in this case.

On 8/31/07, Greg Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Title: Web Applications Developer

 Open August 30, 2007,

 Closing September 14, 2007

 Formal Education: University Degree in computer science/engineering or
 related discipline

 Employer: University of Toronto, Faculty of Information Studies,
 Adaptive Technology Resource Centre,


-- 
Daniel P. Brown
[office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272
[mobile] (570-) 766-8107

Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day.  Then you'll find out he was
allergic and is hospitalized.  See?  No good deed goes unpunished

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 11:41 -0700, Greg Maruszeczka wrote:
 On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:35:10 -0400
 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 9/5/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Well $2,500 is $2,500... no arguing that. But 6 years ago you'd have
   gotten about $40,000 and that certainly made a BIG difference :)
  
  Here, here.
  
  Don't worry, though soon that $50k Canadian will transfer to
  $84k+ American.  At which point, I'm going to get a tattoo of a maple
  leaf on my face and move north.
  
 
 
 You won't fit in very well with a mapleleaf on your face...er...except
 maybe in Toronto :)

Or if it's the 1st of July :D

Cheers,
Rob.
-- 
...
SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com

Leveraging the buying power of the masses!
...

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



[Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-04 Thread Greg Gay
Rob/mlists

You're certainly not encouraging PHP programmers to get involved with
paid open source projects. That's a guaranteed $50,000 a yr, a little
low perhaps by industry standards, but it is a reasonable starting rate,
and gets your foot in the door.

You should have a look at who the employer is, and what they do. They
(we) are
looking for a person who has done their research. This is more than
just a job. It has the potential to introduce applicants to a world of
experience, not just code crunching, but getting involved with the
groups who introduce new technologies and working on leading edge
projects (groups like the W3C, IMS, ISO, AICC, and many others) .
Experiences you won't get as a programmer for your average software
developer. The ATRC is involved with most standards bodies around the
world, and has dozen of open source projects on the go.

Becoming university staff takes a couple years, after which salaries are
competivitive with the going rates. Not to mention a full set of
benefits, pension, excellent working environment, including flexible
working hours, travel benefits, free university course (get a masters or
phd for nothing) etc. Most staff start on a casual/contract basis before
being moved into the main stream. Our established programmers do earn in
the 90-100G per year, with benefits on top of that. All included, that's
somewhere in the $60/hr range, with $0 expenses.

You're auto machanic btw, has overhead included in that rate, so that's
a rather poor comparison. How much do you think he really makes an hour,
after paying expenses out of that $99? And of course 4% isn't a bonus.
Contract workers are paid that weekly, while staff accumulate it so they
can take holidays and get paid.


greg




Robert Cummings wrote:
 On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 13:47 -0400, mlists wrote:

Wow!

Spend $100K on a university degree in computer science, work
successfully for five years with all the major technologies, and then
get paid $25 per hour?


 The poster didn't mention anything about being competent.


My auto mechanic charges an average of $99 per hour.

Sounds like a great deal for the university. Maybe the successful
candidate can work off his student loans.


 Well 100k is a bit high for a 4 year program. And then again it depends
 on whether you had to move away from your parents to attend university.
 If you live within commute range of your university then you can get
 away with 20 to 30k expenses in Canada (depending on University). If you
 have to cover rent then it's a different story :) That said, Toronto is
 one of the most expensive cities in Canada in which to live. IMHO he
 still thinks the tech sector is in a depression and developers with 5
 years experience can be had for a pittance. What made me laugh was the
 4% vacation pay. That's a legal requirement in Canada for full time
 employment. Not a bonus.

 Cheers,
 Rob.

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 14:28 -0400, Greg Gay wrote:
 Rob/mlists
 
 You're certainly not encouraging PHP programmers to get involved with
 paid open source projects. That's a guaranteed $50,000 a yr, a little
 low perhaps by industry standards, but it is a reasonable starting rate,
 and gets your foot in the door.
 
 You should have a look at who the employer is, and what they do. They
 (we) are
 looking for a person who has done their research. This is more than
 just a job. It has the potential to introduce applicants to a world of
 experience, not just code crunching, but getting involved with the
 groups who introduce new technologies and working on leading edge
 projects (groups like the W3C, IMS, ISO, AICC, and many others) .
 Experiences you won't get as a programmer for your average software
 developer. The ATRC is involved with most standards bodies around the
 world, and has dozen of open source projects on the go.
 
 Becoming university staff takes a couple years, after which salaries are
 competivitive with the going rates. Not to mention a full set of
 benefits, pension, excellent working environment, including flexible
 working hours, travel benefits, free university course (get a masters or
 phd for nothing) etc. Most staff start on a casual/contract basis before
 being moved into the main stream. Our established programmers do earn in
 the 90-100G per year, with benefits on top of that. All included, that's
 somewhere in the $60/hr range, with $0 expenses.
 
 You're auto machanic btw, has overhead included in that rate, so that's
 a rather poor comparison. How much do you think he really makes an hour,
 after paying expenses out of that $99? And of course 4% isn't a bonus.
 Contract workers are paid that weekly, while staff accumulate it so they
 can take holidays and get paid.

See, now that's a much better job post. Although it's still $25/hr after
5 years of experience on a contract basis with no guarantee of future
contracts with good performance. As a contractor one generally charges
more to cover the dry times, self-development, dental, prescriptions,
retirement, etc, etc. It's not about being greedy, well not for me
anyways, it's about covering one's ass in the present and in the future.
Have you ever seen the way it usually works in government and any other
large businesses... contractors earn more per hour than the regular
employees, that's because they need to. Contractors often can't just
jump onto any job with stars in their eyes hoping to get a hold of a
maybe brass ring several years down the road.

Cheers,
Rob.
-- 
...
SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com

Leveraging the buying power of the masses!
...

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

2007-09-04 Thread tedd

At 4:05 PM -0400 9/4/07, Robert Cummings wrote:

On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 14:28 -0400, Greg Gay wrote:
  Rob/mlists


So, you can get that much?  :-)

I knew my MSc would pay off some day.

Cheers,

tedd

--
---
http://sperling.com  http://ancientstones.com  http://earthstones.com

--
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required

2007-09-03 Thread mlists

Wow!

Spend $100K on a university degree in computer science, work
successfully for five years with all the major technologies, and then
get paid $25 per hour?

My auto mechanic charges an average of $99 per hour.

Sounds like a great deal for the university.  Maybe the successful
candidate can work off his student loans.

Kind of like buying from the company store, eh?








On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 11:46 -0400, Greg Gay wrote:
 Title: Web Applications Developer
 
 Open August 30, 2007,
 
 Closing September 14, 2007
 
 Formal Education: University Degree in computer science/engineering or
 related discipline
 
 Employer: University of Toronto, Faculty of Information Studies,
 Adaptive Technology Resource Centre,
 
 Description: Under the direction of the Project Manager, the successful
 applicant will take a leading role in the development of PHP web
 applications, and participate through these projects in a number of open
 source communities, assisting with community support, assisting clients
 developing functional specifications, and assisting with development and
 maintenance of a number of open source community Web sites.
 Opportunities will also be available to participate in a broad range of
 development projects under taken at the centre, working with
 international and local groups, government, corporate, health care, and
 not for profit sectors, among others.
 
 Experience: At least five years experience working in team programming
 environment. Advanced knowledge of PHP web application development.
 Working knowledge of SQL, Javascript, AJAX, JAVA, XML, SOAP, HTML, CSS
 and working in a distributed programming environment using Subversion.
 Comfortable working in both Windows and Linux environments. Working
 knowledge of Apache and Tomcat. Understanding of Web accessibility and
 working in open source development projects would be an asset
 
 Other: Flexibility, initiative and the ability to work and learn
 independently. Excellent communication skills and an ability to
 communicate technical details courteously and clearly to non-technical
 users.
 
 Starting Rate: $25/hr/CAD + 4% vacation pay
 
 Appointment Type: One year renewable contract
 
 Percentage of FTE: 100
 
 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
 
 Forward Resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required

2007-09-03 Thread tedd

At 1:47 PM -0400 9/3/07, mlists wrote:

Wow!

Spend $100K on a university degree in computer science, work
successfully for five years with all the major technologies, and then
get paid $25 per hour?


You can really get that much?

Cheers,

tedd
--
---
http://sperling.com  http://ancientstones.com  http://earthstones.com

--
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required

2007-09-03 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 13:47 -0400, mlists wrote:
 Wow!
 
 Spend $100K on a university degree in computer science, work
 successfully for five years with all the major technologies, and then
 get paid $25 per hour?

The poster didn't mention anything about being competent.

 My auto mechanic charges an average of $99 per hour.
 
 Sounds like a great deal for the university.  Maybe the successful
 candidate can work off his student loans.

Well 100k is a bit high for a 4 year program. And then again it depends
on whether you had to move away from your parents to attend university.
If you live within commute range of your university then you can get
away with 20 to 30k expenses in Canada (depending on University). If you
have to cover rent then it's a different story :) That said, Toronto is
one of the most expensive cities in Canada in which to live. IMHO he
still thinks the tech sector is in a depression and developers with 5
years experience can be had for a pittance. What made me laugh was the
4% vacation pay. That's a legal requirement in Canada for full time
employment. Not a bonus.

Cheers,
Rob.
-- 
...
SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com

Leveraging the buying power of the masses!
...

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required

2007-09-03 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 14:38 -0400, tedd wrote:
 At 1:47 PM -0400 9/3/07, mlists wrote:
 Wow!
 
 Spend $100K on a university degree in computer science, work
 successfully for five years with all the major technologies, and then
 get paid $25 per hour?
 
 You can really get that much?

Please be joking.

Cheers,
Rob.
-- 
...
SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com

Leveraging the buying power of the masses!
...

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required

2007-09-03 Thread tedd

At 4:45 PM -0400 9/3/07, Robert Cummings wrote:

On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 14:38 -0400, tedd wrote:

 At 1:47 PM -0400 9/3/07, mlists wrote:
 Wow!
 
 Spend $100K on a university degree in computer science, work
 successfully for five years with all the major technologies, and then
 get paid $25 per hour?

 You can really get that much?


Please be joking.

Cheers,
Rob.


Rob:

I was joking, but I've worked for far less. Keep in mind that $25 per 
hour is a bit above $50k per year (just double the hourly rate and 
multiply by 1K).


In the last 20 years, my yearly income has varied considerably from 
under $10k to over $300k. So, in the lean years, I would have jumped 
at a $50k job and considered myself lucky.


Cheers,

tedd

--
---
http://sperling.com  http://ancientstones.com  http://earthstones.com

--
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



[PHP] PHP Developer Required

2007-08-31 Thread Greg Gay
Title: Web Applications Developer

Open August 30, 2007,

Closing September 14, 2007

Formal Education: University Degree in computer science/engineering or
related discipline

Employer: University of Toronto, Faculty of Information Studies,
Adaptive Technology Resource Centre,

Description: Under the direction of the Project Manager, the successful
applicant will take a leading role in the development of PHP web
applications, and participate through these projects in a number of open
source communities, assisting with community support, assisting clients
developing functional specifications, and assisting with development and
maintenance of a number of open source community Web sites.
Opportunities will also be available to participate in a broad range of
development projects under taken at the centre, working with
international and local groups, government, corporate, health care, and
not for profit sectors, among others.

Experience: At least five years experience working in team programming
environment. Advanced knowledge of PHP web application development.
Working knowledge of SQL, Javascript, AJAX, JAVA, XML, SOAP, HTML, CSS
and working in a distributed programming environment using Subversion.
Comfortable working in both Windows and Linux environments. Working
knowledge of Apache and Tomcat. Understanding of Web accessibility and
working in open source development projects would be an asset

Other: Flexibility, initiative and the ability to work and learn
independently. Excellent communication skills and an ability to
communicate technical details courteously and clearly to non-technical
users.

Starting Rate: $25/hr/CAD + 4% vacation pay

Appointment Type: One year renewable contract

Percentage of FTE: 100

Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Forward Resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php