Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Brendon Van Heyzen]

I really like zend studio for eclipse, debugger is slow at times on  
large projects. I hope, zend said they won't, is provide xdebug  
support for zend studio. I also really like working with mylyn.

--Brendon


On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:06 AM, Sascha Braun wrote:


Hi people,

I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually
using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became
very instable regarding that project.

As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an  
out

of memory error occours.

So I need a new IDE for linux.

Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at
that size.

Thank you friends,

kind regards,

Sascha

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Lupus Michaelis]

Shelley a écrit :

Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy.


  Actually, it is. An IDE is a glue between a set of tools. Vim 
provides every services you need, and it is scriptable.


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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/8/28 Micah Gersten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> You must be new here :)
>
> I've been on the list for over a month and I post quite a bit.

It is an internet meme for those who express surprise at some old
internet habits. Probably most familiar to readers of /.. It was meant
as an in-joke, with absolutely no offense intended. Quite the
opposite, it is most often said to veterans.

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Micah Gersten]

I've been on the list for over a month and I post quite a bit.  I do the
same thing apparently.  See 'Re: [PHP] Re: Variable name as a string'
thread.  :-)

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Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/8/28 Micah Gersten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>> That's an opinion that you state as fact.
>> 
>
> You must be new here :)
>
>   

Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/8/28 Micah Gersten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> That's an opinion that you state as fact.

You must be new here :)

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Micah Gersten]

That's an opinion that you state as fact.  I use an IDE for PHP for
function referencing is very PHP.  The open declaration feature is very
helpful in eclipse.   Also, subeclipse is great too.

Thank you,
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have
> features such as code completion, library reference, code
> highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc.
>
> Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler
> and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in
> _Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to
> integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need
> an integrated development environment.
>
>   
>> This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever
>> actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote
>> projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code. I've
>> also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon, kate,
>> notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember. It's
>> text, use what works for you.
>>
>> 
>
> I've also rarely answered this question, and I don't know why I spoke up 
> today.
>
>   

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/8/28 Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> And thanks for the tasty eggs!
>

Eggs? I've obviously missed something.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/8/28 Dan Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Well, while that is true about compiling, you're forgetting about other
> things inside of an IDE, such as debugging.  Yes, you can just pull up a web
> browser or run the script at command line, but the debugger also has the
> stepping features and break points that can make debugging a whole lot
> easier and quicker.
>

Dan, you are right. A debugger most certainly makes it an IDE. As I
don't use a debugger I never really paid attention to their existence.
I stand corrected.

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Stut]

On 28 Aug 2008, at 13:59, Dotan Cohen wrote:

2008/8/28 Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no "IDE" is needed. VIM is
great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will  
soon

be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait!


What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely  
interpreted but

that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE.


Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have
features such as code completion, library reference, code
highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc.

Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler
and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in
_Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to
integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need
an integrated development environment.


The point I was trying to make which I apparently didn't do very well  
was that the need for an IDE has nothing to do with whether the  
language you're using is compiled or interpreted, but instead with  
what you want from your development tools. You can develop with C++  
without an IDE in exactly the same way as you can with PHP. All you're  
doing is replacing the PHP interpreter with a C++ compiler. That extra  
tool is still needed, but integration with an editor is entirely  
optional.


And thanks for the tasty eggs!

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Dan Joseph]

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2008/8/28 Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no "IDE" is needed. VIM is
> >> great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon
> >> be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait!
> >
> > What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted
> but
> > that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE.
>
> Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have
> features such as code completion, library reference, code
> highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc.
>
> Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler
> and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in
> _Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to
> integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need
> an integrated development environment.
>
> > This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever
> > actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote
> > projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code.
> I've
> > also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon,
> kate,
> > notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember.
> It's
> > text, use what works for you.
> >
>
> I've also rarely answered this question, and I don't know why I spoke up
> today.
>
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>

Well, while that is true about compiling, you're forgetting about other
things inside of an IDE, such as debugging.  Yes, you can just pull up a web
browser or run the script at command line, but the debugger also has the
stepping features and break points that can make debugging a whole lot
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/8/28 Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no "IDE" is needed. VIM is
>> great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon
>> be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait!
>
> What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted but
> that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE.

Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have
features such as code completion, library reference, code
highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc.

Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler
and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in
_Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to
integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need
an integrated development environment.

> This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever
> actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote
> projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code. I've
> also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon, kate,
> notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember. It's
> text, use what works for you.
>

I've also rarely answered this question, and I don't know why I spoke up today.

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Brice]

>
> Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at
> that size.


Don't know for sure, but you can try Netbeans for PHP  :

http://php.netbeans.org/

kind regards,
Brice Favre

Thank you friends,
>
> kind regards,
>
> Sascha
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Stut]

On 28 Aug 2008, at 11:57, Dotan Cohen wrote:

2008/8/28 Shelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy.



And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no "IDE" is needed. VIM is
great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon
be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait!


What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted  
but that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE.


This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've  
ever actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for  
remote projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step  
through code. I've also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico,  
nano, emacs, epsilon, kate, notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and  
many more I can't remember. It's text, use what works for you.


I recently made the mistake of putting over 100k fairly small data  
files into the tree for my current project and it completely killed  
TextMate. Best option for lots of files or very large files is to  
disable any automatic scanning your editor does. You may lose some of  
the nice-to-have features like code completion but to me that's a  
small price to pay for being able to do anything at all.


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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/8/28 Shelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy.
>

And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no "IDE" is needed. VIM is
great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon
be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait!

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Shelley]

Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy.

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Sascha Braun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi people,
>
> I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually
> using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became
> very instable regarding that project.
>
> As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out
> of memory error occours.
>
> So I need a new IDE for linux.
>
> Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at
> that size.
>
> Thank you friends,
>
> kind regards,
>
> Sascha
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Shawn McKenzie]

VamVan wrote:

use Aptana its awesome and free as well.

thanks




And it's Eclipse as well :-)

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[VamVan]

use Aptana its awesome and free as well.

thanks



On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Micah Gersten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How much RAM do you have?  Eclipse is a great IDE.  Have you upgraded to
> 3.4?
>
> Thank you,
> Micah Gersten
> onShore Networks
> Internal Developer
> http://www.onshore.com
>
>
>
> Sascha Braun wrote:
> > Hi people,
> >
> > I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually
> > using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became
> > very instable regarding that project.
> >
> > As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out
> > of memory error occours.
> >
> > So I need a new IDE for linux.
> >
> > Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at
> > that size.
> >
> > Thank you friends,
> >
> > kind regards,
> >
> > Sascha
> >
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Micah Gersten]

How much RAM do you have?  Eclipse is a great IDE.  Have you upgraded to
3.4?

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Sascha Braun wrote:
> Hi people,
>
> I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually
> using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became
> very instable regarding that project.
>
> As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out
> of memory error occours.
>
> So I need a new IDE for linux.
>
> Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at
> that size.
>
> Thank you friends,
>
> kind regards,
>
> Sascha
>

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[PHP] PHP IDE needed

[Sascha Braun]

Hi people,

I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually
using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became
very instable regarding that project.

As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out
of memory error occours.

So I need a new IDE for linux.

Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at
that size.

Thank you friends,

kind regards,

Sascha

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Chris]

OK, I'm looking at the PHPEclipse site, and I've been here before: the current
Using PHPEclipse document lists the system requirements as PHP 5.1.2 or *below*,
and Apache 2.0 or *below*
Is that just badly out-of-date (last update is April 2007), or is PHPEclipse
really not able to support PHP 5.2.4 and Apache 2.2.4 (my current system 
levels)?


Ask the phpeclipse guys, they write the requirements and will be able to 
tell you what's going on with that.


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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Peter Ford]

Lester Caine wrote:
> Peter Ford wrote:
>> I've tried to use Eclipse PDT, and it's just generally horrible - the
>> All-in-one
>> has no Subversion support and no SSH support for deploying to the server
>> properly. The debugging support worked well on the windows version, but I
>> couldn't get it to work from Linux (with the same web server...)
>> And the look and feel is so crowded and over-complicated.
>> Yuck.
> Well PDT is the 'commercial' offering from Zend since they hijacked the
> PHP slot :(
> PHPEclipse is much tidier and has a longer pedigree.
> Subversion and SSH are OTHER packages and part of Eclipse not the PHP
> editor. And the look and feel is fully configurable, but it does take a
> while to work out how.
> 
>> Quanta+ can do this (mostly) right, although I have had some trouble with
>> debugging.
> But you can't handle the legacy C++ code with that ;)
> 

OK, I'm looking at the PHPEclipse site, and I've been here before: the current
Using PHPEclipse document lists the system requirements as PHP 5.1.2 or *below*,
and Apache 2.0 or *below*
Is that just badly out-of-date (last update is April 2007), or is PHPEclipse
really not able to support PHP 5.2.4 and Apache 2.2.4 (my current system 
levels)?

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Lester Caine]

Peter Ford wrote:

I've tried to use Eclipse PDT, and it's just generally horrible - the All-in-one
has no Subversion support and no SSH support for deploying to the server
properly. The debugging support worked well on the windows version, but I
couldn't get it to work from Linux (with the same web server...)
And the look and feel is so crowded and over-complicated.
Yuck.
Well PDT is the 'commercial' offering from Zend since they hijacked the PHP 
slot :(

PHPEclipse is much tidier and has a longer pedigree.
Subversion and SSH are OTHER packages and part of Eclipse not the PHP editor. 
And the look and feel is fully configurable, but it does take a while to work 
out how.



Quanta+ can do this (mostly) right, although I have had some trouble with
debugging.

But you can't handle the legacy C++ code with that ;)

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RE: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Shelley Shyan]

It has, but you should install them manually...

Try help-> Software updates -> Find and install...


Regards,
Shelley

-Original Message-
From: Peter Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:24 PM
To: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

I've tried to use Eclipse PDT, and it's just generally horrible - the 
All-in-one has no Subversion support and no SSH support for deploying to the 
server properly. The debugging support worked well on the windows version, but 
I couldn't get it to work from Linux (with the same web server...) And the look 
and feel is so crowded and over-complicated.
Yuck.

Quanta+ can do this (mostly) right, although I have had some trouble
Quanta+ with
debugging.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Andrew Peterson wrote:
>> I'll try installed it again with none of the other nonsense.
>
> PDT has the so called ALL-IN-ONE thing, however I don't really trust it.
>
> I would suggest the following -
>
> a) Be sure you have the latest Java.
>
> b) Get the normal, traditional Eclipse.
>
> c) Update it (Help > Software updates > Find and install > Search for
> updates of the currently installed features). Repeat if needed.
>
> d) Go to Help > Software updates > Find and install > Search for new
> features to install and add the PDT site
> (http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/updates/). Check the PDT site
> and the Europa Discovery Site and click Finish (I haven't done it for
> a while, so could be something has changed there). When you get the
> result, the Update manager might complain that PDT depends on something.
> In this case unfold the Europa Discovery Site result (by clicking the
> +, if you do not unfold it the next step might not work) and click the
> Select Required button. This should select the minimum you need. Let
> me know if you run into a trouble and I'll try to send you reproducible steps.
>
> And again, Eclipse is Java, so you need a decent machine.
>
> Iv

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Peter Ford]

I've tried to use Eclipse PDT, and it's just generally horrible - the All-in-one
has no Subversion support and no SSH support for deploying to the server
properly. The debugging support worked well on the windows version, but I
couldn't get it to work from Linux (with the same web server...)
And the look and feel is so crowded and over-complicated.
Yuck.

Quanta+ can do this (mostly) right, although I have had some trouble with
debugging.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Andrew Peterson wrote:
>> I'll try installed it again with none of the other nonsense.
> 
> PDT has the so called ALL-IN-ONE thing, however I don't really trust it.
> 
> I would suggest the following -
> 
> a) Be sure you have the latest Java.
> 
> b) Get the normal, traditional Eclipse.
> 
> c) Update it (Help > Software updates > Find and install > Search for
> updates of the currently installed features). Repeat if needed.
> 
> d) Go to Help > Software updates > Find and install > Search for new
> features to install and add the PDT site
> (http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/updates/). Check the PDT site and
> the Europa Discovery Site and click Finish (I haven't done it for a
> while, so could be something has changed there). When you get the
> result, the Update manager might complain that PDT depends on something.
> In this case unfold the Europa Discovery Site result (by clicking the +,
> if you do not unfold it the next step might not work) and click the
> Select Required button. This should select the minimum you need. Let me
> know if you run into a trouble and I'll try to send you reproducible steps.
> 
> And again, Eclipse is Java, so you need a decent machine.
> 
> Iv

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Mario Guenterberg]

On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 01:44:19PM +, Lester Caine wrote:
> Tiago Silva wrote:
>> Lester Caine escreveu:
>>> Robert Cummings wrote:
 Ubuntu = Debian + New Life
>>>
>>> Mandriva has Eclipse and PHPEclipse 'out of the box' along with Apache 
>>> and PHP
>>> I can build a fully functional development machine from a pile of bits in 
>>> under an hour ;)
>>> And currently that includes downloading the latest updates :)
>>>
>> I use an OS called Windows Vista :-P
>> hahahha crap(I use openSuse... ;-) )
>> Guys, talking about features of distributions is a looping question...it's 
>> a vicious endless thing...
>> let's talk about PHP ide's ok?
>> I use eclipse, with PHPEclipse it's fullfeatured for PHP, look, FOR PHP!
>> The good programmer don't need a full featured IDE, like Delphi for PHP 
>> and anyothers that wrap you behind the scenes...
>
> Not had to bother with vista yet - in fact a lot of my hardware intensive 
> stuff simply will not run on it :(
> BUT the best thing about Eclipse is that it runs the same on windows as 
> Linux, so I don't have to have different environments on each. I just run a 
> local CSV server and sync things between the two environments. And now I 
> can move stuff that was originally developed on Windows over to Linux
> - or replace it with PHP powered stuff :)

Hi all...

in the past i'd worked for a web development company. We had some
Windows, some MacOSX and some Linux workstations and a central
Dedian development server. The best solution to work with an IDE 
was the use of Eclipse with the needed plugins. On every machine the
same environment for development and the individual stuff for
design/grafix and more. No problems with a central subversion/CVS
repo and a NFS/Samba share for the apache document root on the devel
server.

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RE: [PHP] PHP ide? Back On Topic

[Instruct ICC]

> But I highly doubt you'll find a first-class PHP code IDE (Zend Studio) that
> is also a first-class HTML layout tool (Dreamweaver).

My 2006 rant said I'll accept multiple tools.  I'll have to find that post and 
see if my needs have changed.  Ahh here:

I am looking for a tool (or tools) that can do the following:

Use a Model Driven Architecture (Ex. Gentleware's "just model" concept and 
Applied Models' "the model is the program" concept)

UML (Ex. Sun Java Studio Enterprise)

Generate Database from UML (Ex. Umbrello)

Generate Classes from UML (Ex. Umbrello/Sun Java Studio Enterprise -- backend 
classes)

UI Design (Ex. Netbeans Matisse -- frontend classes)

Integrate AJAX toolkits (Ex. Aptana/Dojo/jMaki)

Separate application code from presentation, Model-View-Controller (Ex. 
Smarty/symfony)

Deploy/Convert to HTML/Javascript (Ex. Google Web Toolkit/Visual Web Developer 
2005 Express Edition --> design in Design view and have automatic code 
generated in "code behind" Source view)

Code Refactoring (Ex. Sun Java Studio Enterprise/Netbeans)

The above tools do some part of the workflow I want, but they do not play well 
together as far as I know (usually because they are based on a specific 
language or dialect of that language).  And some do not have a web application 
as the deployment target.


> Then you don't want to be working in HTML.
True.  With the ongoing browser wars, let vendors like Yahoo and YUI handle 
that layer.
And let's start getting some decent requirements 
http://www.serena.com/products/prototype-composer/home.html and 
http://www.visual-paradigm.com/
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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Lester Caine]

Tiago Silva wrote:

Lester Caine escreveu:

Robert Cummings wrote:

Ubuntu = Debian + New Life


Mandriva has Eclipse and PHPEclipse 'out of the box' along with Apache 
and PHP
I can build a fully functional development machine from a pile of bits 
in under an hour ;)

And currently that includes downloading the latest updates :)


I use an OS called Windows Vista :-P

hahahha crap(I use openSuse... ;-) )

Guys, talking about features of distributions is a looping 
question...it's a vicious endless thing...


let's talk about PHP ide's ok?

I use eclipse, with PHPEclipse it's fullfeatured for PHP, look, FOR PHP!

The good programmer don't need a full featured IDE, like Delphi for PHP 
and anyothers that wrap you behind the scenes...


Not had to bother with vista yet - in fact a lot of my hardware intensive 
stuff simply will not run on it :(
BUT the best thing about Eclipse is that it runs the same on windows as Linux, 
so I don't have to have different environments on each. I just run a local CSV 
server and sync things between the two environments. And now I can move stuff 
that was originally developed on Windows over to Linux

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[Lester Caine]

Robert Cummings wrote:

Ubuntu = Debian + New Life


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Re: [PHP] PHP ide? OT

[Børge Holen]

On Friday 09 November 2007 02:05:32 you wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 01:03 +0100, Børge Holen wrote:
> > > > oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on
> >
> > tersus
> >
> > > > beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > homepage: "we're practically NOTHING without debian".
> > >
> > > Ubuntu = Debian + New Life
> >
> > you know, thats what I call BS.
> > if something fails to do anything by itself.. it should've stayed @
> > home.
> > Just look at patches and fixes. They only deliver when the debian
> > maintainers 've a fix ready, and between 2 days to a week for the
> > maintainers
> > to get it into their own pool.
> > The reason is simple... Hype! they sell a product witch claims to be
> > more or
> > less a lifestyle of simplicity like osx, however maintenance is a
> > bitch who
> > noone wants to ride, and the few who works on buntu rather sell the
> > new stuff
> > than fixing bogus, tiresome and lenghty faults on imported programs.
> > Just for
> > the sake of some rich dude that feels he need a momentum.
> > I'm really getting it out now, cleaning the pipes you can say.
>
> Lol, Debian has a release cycle of 2 to 3 years. Ubuntu has a release
> cycle of 6 months. Personally I like the fast and furious releases when
> it's for my desktop. As for server needs... Debian is a better call for
> it's stabilty. Either way you comment "It's like the ubunty hype, witch
> fails to state on the homepage: "we're practically NOTHING without
> debian" is a bit silly since Debian doesn't state "we're practically
> nothing without the Linux kernel and GNU software". 

We are talking distributions here, not os. Debian supports all these 
underdogs, but ubuntu is the "hyped saviour". I also fail to the whatever the 
release cycle got to do with... anything? You install once, shortly 
thereafter you just upgrade now and then.
You want release cycles, go for the nighly builds. Count them, don't complain 
because the debian team fail to see the importance of release cycles. I can 
take a woody cd install and given the speed of this 100mbit line and 1.67 ghz 
ppc, I would say 30~40 minutes later I would be running sid.
Now that would be fast and furious for you eh?
I bet I actually got all the "new" packages... like ff apache any sql whatever 
on my testing approximatly 1 week before you got in on ubuntu. They are 
sickly dependable on all the debian devs to fix their shit and keep theyre 
hype.

> But I'll give you a 
> taste of what both do say:
>
>  Debian:
> "Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer.
>  An operating system is the set of basic programs and
>  utilities that make your computer run. Debian uses the
>  Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most
>  of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence
>  the name GNU/Linux."
>
>  Ubuntu:
>  "Ubuntu is a community developed, linux-based operating
>   system that is perfect for laptops, desktops and
>   servers. It contains all the applications you need - a
>   web browser, presentation, document and spreadsheet
>   software, instant messaging and much more."

Everybody loves raymond.

>
> Now analysis of the blurbs reveals that Debian attributes the Linux
> Kernel and GNU whereas Ubuntu attributes the community at large. Ask
> yourself which statement is more inclusive :) Community can easily be
> taken to include the kernel community, the GNU community, the Debian
> community and any other groups contributing. I'm sure this is the spirit
> in which the word "community" is used. Whereas the Debian blurb is more
> restrictive in it's interpretation. But don't get me wrong, I'm in no
> way pointing fingers at Debian, they probably have more attributions
> elsehwere as does Ubuntu. I just think it's silly to argue that Ubuntu
> owes everything to Debian when Ubuntu, Debian, GNU, the Linux Kernel,
> etc are all standing upon the shoulders of giants. And those giants are
> the community of individuals and organizations that give their time and
> resources to make it happen. There's nothing stopping Debian from
> integrating things in Ubuntu, that's the spirit of open source and
> sharing.

Why would debian intergrate things in ubuntu, they run ubuntus show right now.
Thats why all the ubuntu ppl are harrassing the debian mailinglist... oh wait, 
much like this.

Time to get back to work... cheers btw =D

>
> Cheers,
> Rob.



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Re: [PHP] PHP ide? Back On Topic

[Larry Garfield]

On Thursday 08 November 2007, Instruct ICC wrote:
> Do you pay for Ubuntu?  Maybe a support package?
>
> Earlier this week I was pissed at Adobe Dreamweaver CS3 and their
> developers.  And I began thinking that the major difference between open
> source software (free as in no $ outa my pocket) and retail closed source
> software is that maybe, just maybe, I have someone to complain to about
> their bugs in the retail case, and should just be thankful I have an
> ordered set of bits given to me for free in the open source case that
> sometimes gets the job done (not to mention sometimes getting support,
> community, knowledge, etc.).

In my case, it's entirely different.  Too many proprietary software companies 
are locking down their software too far for me to be comfortable with.  DRM, 
product activation, region coding, forced-subscriptions... "The more you 
tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more software users will slip through your 
fingers."  There's still a very small number of non-free programs I use, but 
they're being replaced as quickly as I can with something open source and at 
least passable.  I simply don't trust code that tries to fight me.

*snip lots of talk about Dreamweaver et al*

> I just looked at Eclipse PDT (due to this topic and its posts).  It looks
> like a text editor with possible project grouping of files.  What do I gain
> by using it?
>
> Aptana is okay for Ajaxy javascript and html (and I think PHP).  It's
> Eclipse again though LOL.  I just don't like when I feel constrained and
> can't absolutely place a widget (like you can in MS Visual Basic). 

If you want to absolutely control layout, don't bother designing for the 
web. :-)

> Netbeans Matisse (it has a new name now) can do it, but it deploys to Java.
>  Delphi for PHP (retail product) looks good, but its MS Windows only.  And
> although I can use a VM, I'd rather stay away from MS products.  Sun Java
> Studio Creator can, but it's Java again.
>
> What do you want in an integrated development environment?
>
> I would expect Zend Studio to be _the_ PHP IDE, but it doesn't meet what I
> want in an IDE.

That's because Zend Studio (which is one of the few proprietary programs that 
I feel tempted to use personally, as I use it at work and love it) is a 
programmer's IDE.  It's for people writing code.  From the sound of it, 
you're looking for a designer's IDE, for doing things graphically.  

There's nothing wrong with that, mind you.  Not in the least.  But it's a 
different sort of task, and requires a different sort of tool.  

> I want to "just model" like Gentleware's Poseidon.  Maybe some UML; maybe
> just Tersus. I want to refactor like Sun Java Studio Enterprise.
> I want to layout my GUI like VB, Matisse, and Apple's Interface Builder.

Then you don't want to be working in HTML.

> I want to remote debug like Zend Studio.

That is easily my #1 favorite feature. :-)  The only worthwhile 
context-sensitive code-assistance I've yet to find would be a close second.  
But I highly doubt you'll find a first-class PHP code IDE (Zend Studio) that 
is also a first-class HTML layout tool (Dreamweaver).

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RE: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Instruct ICC]

 Blah blah blah...electricity
 You see where I'm going.
>> You forgot Adam and Eve

For those who believe "You see where I'm going".
For the others, you get vacuum fluctuations LOL.
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RE: [PHP] PHP ide? Back On Topic

[Instruct ICC]

Do you pay for Ubuntu?  Maybe a support package?

Earlier this week I was pissed at Adobe Dreamweaver CS3 and their developers.  
And I began thinking that the major difference between open source software 
(free as in no $ outa my pocket) and retail closed source software is that 
maybe, just maybe, I have someone to complain to about their bugs in the retail 
case, and should just be thankful I have an ordered set of bits given to me for 
free in the open source case that sometimes gets the job done (not to mention 
sometimes getting support, community, knowledge, etc.).

I tend to fall back to DW -- currently CS3, but I'm always looking around.  It 
crashed on a paste attempt after a simple plain text copy.
The DW 8 developers didn't know how to use threads (and threads were hyped in 
that version).  They would run a thread to block my current requested action to 
do something locally by doing something remote (which I state again, I did not 
request.  If you insist on doing the remote action which I didn't request, it's 
perfect for a thread, so please put it in the background.)
I think I prefered DW MX 2004 over DW MX.  8 had a nice "fold your source 
wherever you want" feature though.
I was interested in CS3 for the Spry, but it's weak.  Back to basic hand coding 
with YUI, Scriptaculous, Xajax, etc. using DW basically as an editor and FTP 
client.

Oh and Crimson Editor when I was on MS Windows for Perl files which DW couldn't 
deal with.
I use Xcode on the Mac for Perl files now.  I should also start using Xcode for 
PHP projects.

My (perceived) problem is that I need a tool that helps me do my job well, but 
not so well that it looks like I can be replaced.  I'm telling you that Tersus 
scares me [and I will not tell my employer about it LOL].  gi.tibco.com will be 
my next real evaluation for an IDE at work.  At home I'll spend my time on 
Tersus.  Except I'm into a project at home now that is easier if I use what I 
know.

I just looked at Eclipse PDT (due to this topic and its posts).  It looks like 
a text editor with possible project grouping of files.  What do I gain by using 
it?

Aptana is okay for Ajaxy javascript and html (and I think PHP).  It's Eclipse 
again though LOL.  I just don't like when I feel constrained and can't 
absolutely place a widget (like you can in MS Visual Basic).  Netbeans Matisse 
(it has a new name now) can do it, but it deploys to Java.  Delphi for PHP 
(retail product) looks good, but its MS Windows only.  And although I can use a 
VM, I'd rather stay away from MS products.  Sun Java Studio Creator can, but 
it's Java again.

What do you want in an integrated development environment?

I would expect Zend Studio to be _the_ PHP IDE, but it doesn't meet what I want 
in an IDE.

I want to "just model" like Gentleware's Poseidon.  Maybe some UML; maybe just 
Tersus.
I want to refactor like Sun Java Studio Enterprise.
I want to layout my GUI like VB, Matisse, and Apple's Interface Builder.
I want to remote debug like Zend Studio.
I have an extensive list I made in 2006 that would make this post even longer.  
So I know I'm missing some features.
And I want it all for free as in beer and no $ out of my pocket (to use 
personally).
Well, if neccessary, I'll also have the company pay for it and expect to be 
able to use it at home like the DW licenses.
And I'll still be looking around for the next best thing.



--------> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
php-general@lists.php.net> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:03:13 +0100> Subject: Re: 
[PHP] PHP ide? OT>> On Friday 09 November 2007 00:47:56 you wrote:>> On Fri, 
2007-11-09 at 00:28 +0100, Børge Holen wrote:>>> On Friday 09 November 2007 
00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote:>>>>>>>>> Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and 
if so what ones?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ta,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
Quanta +, of course.>>>>>>>> Other is to much work and not worth the 
effort...>>>>>>>> I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in 
eclipse,>>>>>>>> it's a mistake all together>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use JOE of course. 
I really can't see what so many of you guys>>>>>>> see in an IDE :B>>>>>>>>>>>> 
I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse>>>>>> 
http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF)>>>>>>>>>> umm yeah right, some 
create and some steal and brag bout em>>>>> discoveries they've made to save 
the f* day.

RE: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Robert Cummings]

On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 19:06 -0800, Instruct ICC wrote:
> Sorry for the crap below.  I think it's MS Hotmail not playing nice with 
> Safari.
> 
> Eclipse and Netbeans (now it may look like I'm pushing Java) have offerings 
> to allow us developers to build upon -- not just apps, but tools.  I think 
> that's a good thing.
> 
> "Don't reinvent the wheel" is another good practice to build upon the work of 
> others.
> 
> Where would this forum be without the web?
> Where would the web be without the internet?
> Where would the internet be without Al Gore?  ;-P
> 
> Where would Debian be without Linus?
> Where would Linus be without GNU?
> 
> Blah blah blah...electricity
> 
> You see where I'm going.

You forgot Adam and Eve ;)

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[Instruct ICC]

Sorry for the crap below.  I think it's MS Hotmail not playing nice with Safari.

Eclipse and Netbeans (now it may look like I'm pushing Java) have offerings to 
allow us developers to build upon -- not just apps, but tools.  I think that's 
a good thing.

"Don't reinvent the wheel" is another good practice to build upon the work of 
others.

Where would this forum be without the web?
Where would the web be without the internet?
Where would the internet be without Al Gore?  ;-P

Where would Debian be without Linus?
Where would Linus be without GNU?

Blah blah blah...electricity

You see where I'm going.


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
php-general@lists.php.net> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:28:59 +0100> Subject: Re: 
[PHP] PHP ide?>> On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote:>>>>>>> 
Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
Ta,>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H.>>>>>>>>>>>> Quanta +, of course.>>>>>> Other is to much 
work and not worth the effort...>>>>>> I really cannot see what so many of you 
guys see in eclipse, it's a>>>>>> mistake all together>>>>>>>>>> I use JOE of 
course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see>>>>> in an IDE 
:B>>>>>>>> I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse>>>> 
http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF)>>>>>> umm yeah right, some create 
and some steal and brag bout em discoveries>>> they've made to save the f* day. 
;D>>>> Not mine. But if you do Java, that's your bogey.>> oh no, I wasn't 
hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing> eclipse. It's like 
the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the> homepage: "we're practically 
NOTHING without debian".>>>>> 
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Re: [PHP] PHP ide? OT

[Robert Cummings]

On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 01:03 +0100, Børge Holen wrote:
> > > oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on
> tersus
> > > beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on
> the
> > > homepage: "we're practically NOTHING without debian".
> >
> > Ubuntu = Debian + New Life
> 
> you know, thats what I call BS.
> if something fails to do anything by itself.. it should've stayed @
> home.
> Just look at patches and fixes. They only deliver when the debian 
> maintainers 've a fix ready, and between 2 days to a week for the
> maintainers 
> to get it into their own pool.
> The reason is simple... Hype! they sell a product witch claims to be
> more or 
> less a lifestyle of simplicity like osx, however maintenance is a
> bitch who 
> noone wants to ride, and the few who works on buntu rather sell the
> new stuff 
> than fixing bogus, tiresome and lenghty faults on imported programs.
> Just for 
> the sake of some rich dude that feels he need a momentum.
> I'm really getting it out now, cleaning the pipes you can say.

Lol, Debian has a release cycle of 2 to 3 years. Ubuntu has a release
cycle of 6 months. Personally I like the fast and furious releases when
it's for my desktop. As for server needs... Debian is a better call for
it's stabilty. Either way you comment "It's like the ubunty hype, witch
fails to state on the homepage: "we're practically NOTHING without
debian" is a bit silly since Debian doesn't state "we're practically
nothing without the Linux kernel and GNU software". But I'll give you a
taste of what both do say:

 Debian:
"Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer.
 An operating system is the set of basic programs and
 utilities that make your computer run. Debian uses the
 Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most
 of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence
 the name GNU/Linux."

 Ubuntu:
 "Ubuntu is a community developed, linux-based operating
  system that is perfect for laptops, desktops and
  servers. It contains all the applications you need - a
  web browser, presentation, document and spreadsheet
  software, instant messaging and much more."

Now analysis of the blurbs reveals that Debian attributes the Linux
Kernel and GNU whereas Ubuntu attributes the community at large. Ask
yourself which statement is more inclusive :) Community can easily be
taken to include the kernel community, the GNU community, the Debian
community and any other groups contributing. I'm sure this is the spirit
in which the word "community" is used. Whereas the Debian blurb is more
restrictive in it's interpretation. But don't get me wrong, I'm in no
way pointing fingers at Debian, they probably have more attributions
elsehwere as does Ubuntu. I just think it's silly to argue that Ubuntu
owes everything to Debian when Ubuntu, Debian, GNU, the Linux Kernel,
etc are all standing upon the shoulders of giants. And those giants are
the community of individuals and organizations that give their time and
resources to make it happen. There's nothing stopping Debian from
integrating things in Ubuntu, that's the spirit of open source and
sharing.

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide? OT

[Børge Holen]

On Friday 09 November 2007 01:03:13 Børge Holen wrote:
> On Friday 09 November 2007 00:47:56 you wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 00:28 +0100, Børge Holen wrote:
> > > On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ta,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > H.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Quanta +, of course.
> > > > > > > > Other is to much work and not worth the effort...
> > > > > > > > I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse,
> > > > > > > > it's a mistake all together
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you
> > > > > > > guys see in an IDE :B
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse
> > > > > > http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF)
> > > > >
> > > > > umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em
> > > > > discoveries they've made to save the f* day. ;D
> > > >
> > > > Not mine.  But if you do Java, that's your bogey.
> > >
> > > oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus
> > > beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the
> > > homepage: "we're practically NOTHING without debian".
> >
> > Ubuntu = Debian + New Life
>
> you know, thats what I call BS.
> if something fails to do anything by itself.. it should've stayed @ home.
> Just look at patches and fixes. They only deliver when the debian
> maintainers 've a fix ready, and between 2 days to a week for the
> maintainers to get it into their own pool.
> The reason is simple... Hype! they sell a product witch claims to be more
> or less a lifestyle of simplicity like osx, however maintenance is a bitch
> who noone wants to ride, and the few who works on buntu rather sell the new
> stuff than fixing bogus, tiresome and lenghty faults on imported programs.
> Just for the sake of some rich dude that feels he need a momentum.

momento that is

> I'm really getting it out now, cleaning the pipes you can say.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Rob.
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Re: [PHP] PHP ide? OT

[Børge Holen]

On Friday 09 November 2007 00:47:56 you wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 00:28 +0100, Børge Holen wrote:
> > On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote:
> > > > > > > > Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ta,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > H.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Quanta +, of course.
> > > > > > > Other is to much work and not worth the effort...
> > > > > > > I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse,
> > > > > > > it's a mistake all together
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys
> > > > > > see in an IDE :B
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse
> > > > > http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF)
> > > >
> > > > umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em
> > > > discoveries they've made to save the f* day. ;D
> > >
> > > Not mine.  But if you do Java, that's your bogey.
> >
> > oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus
> > beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the
> > homepage: "we're practically NOTHING without debian".
>
> Ubuntu = Debian + New Life

you know, thats what I call BS.
if something fails to do anything by itself.. it should've stayed @ home.
Just look at patches and fixes. They only deliver when the debian 
maintainers 've a fix ready, and between 2 days to a week for the maintainers 
to get it into their own pool.
The reason is simple... Hype! they sell a product witch claims to be more or 
less a lifestyle of simplicity like osx, however maintenance is a bitch who 
noone wants to ride, and the few who works on buntu rather sell the new stuff 
than fixing bogus, tiresome and lenghty faults on imported programs. Just for 
the sake of some rich dude that feels he need a momentum.
I'm really getting it out now, cleaning the pipes you can say.

>
> Cheers,
> Rob.



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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Robert Cummings]

On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 00:28 +0100, Børge Holen wrote:
> On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote:
> > > > > > > Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ta,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > H.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quanta +, of course.
> > > > > > Other is to much work and not worth the effort...
> > > > > > I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a
> > > > > > mistake all together
> > > > >
> > > > > I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see
> > > > > in an IDE :B
> > > >
> > > > I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse
> > > > http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF)
> > >
> > > umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries
> > > they've made to save the f* day. ;D
> >
> > Not mine.  But if you do Java, that's your bogey.
> 
> oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing 
> eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the 
> homepage: "we're practically NOTHING without debian".

Ubuntu = Debian + New Life

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Børge Holen]

On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote:
> > > > > > Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ta,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > H.
> > > > >
> > > > > Quanta +, of course.
> > > > > Other is to much work and not worth the effort...
> > > > > I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a
> > > > > mistake all together
> > > >
> > > > I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see
> > > > in an IDE :B
> > >
> > > I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse
> > > http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF)
> >
> > umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries
> > they've made to save the f* day. ;D
>
> Not mine.  But if you do Java, that's your bogey.

oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing 
eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the 
homepage: "we're practically NOTHING without debian".

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RE: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Instruct ICC]

> > > > > Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ta,
> > > > >
> > > > > H.
> > > >
> > > > Quanta +, of course.
> > > > Other is to much work and not worth the effort...
> > > > I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a
> > > > mistake all together
> > >
> > > I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in
> > > an IDE :B
> >
> > I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse
> > http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF)
> 
> umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries 
> they've made to save the f* day. ;D

Not mine.  But if you do Java, that's your bogey.

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Børge Holen]

On Thursday 08 November 2007 23:33:07 Instruct ICC wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 21:47 +0100, Børge Holen wrote:
> > > On Thursday 08 November 2007 11:02:07 Hulf wrote:
> > > > Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?
> > > >
> > > > Ta,
> > > >
> > > > H.
> > >
> > > Quanta +, of course.
> > > Other is to much work and not worth the effort...
> > > I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a
> > > mistake all together
> >
> > I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in
> > an IDE :B
>
> I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse
> http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF)

umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries 
they've made to save the f* day. ;D


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RE: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Instruct ICC]

> On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 21:47 +0100, Børge Holen wrote:
> > On Thursday 08 November 2007 11:02:07 Hulf wrote:
> > > Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?
> > >
> > > Ta,
> > >
> > > H.
> > 
> > 
> > Quanta +, of course.
> > Other is to much work and not worth the effort...
> > I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake 
> > all together
> 
> I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in
> an IDE :B

I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse http://www.tersus.com -- 
Go there with FF)

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Robert Cummings]

On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 21:47 +0100, Børge Holen wrote:
> On Thursday 08 November 2007 11:02:07 Hulf wrote:
> > Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?
> >
> > Ta,
> >
> > H.
> 
> 
> Quanta +, of course.
> Other is to much work and not worth the effort...
> I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake 
> all together

I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in
an IDE :B

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Børge Holen]

On Thursday 08 November 2007 11:02:07 Hulf wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?
>
> Ta,
>
> H.


Quanta +, of course.
Other is to much work and not worth the effort...
I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake 
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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

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Andrew Peterson wrote:

I'll try installed it again with none of the other nonsense.


PDT has the so called ALL-IN-ONE thing, however I don't really trust it.

I would suggest the following -

a) Be sure you have the latest Java.

b) Get the normal, traditional Eclipse.

c) Update it (Help > Software updates > Find and install > Search for 
updates of the currently installed features). Repeat if needed.


d) Go to Help > Software updates > Find and install > Search for new 
features to install and add the PDT site 
(http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/updates/). Check the PDT site and 
the Europa Discovery Site and click Finish (I haven't done it for a 
while, so could be something has changed there). When you get the 
result, the Update manager might complain that PDT depends on something. 
In this case unfold the Europa Discovery Site result (by clicking the +, 
if you do not unfold it the next step might not work) and click the 
Select Required button. This should select the minimum you need. Let me 
know if you run into a trouble and I'll try to send you reproducible steps.


And again, Eclipse is Java, so you need a decent machine.

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

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George Pitcher wrote:
I used Eclipse a few years ago when I was pretending to be a java developer. 


I use Eclipse for 1 1/2 year now and just lately it became nice for what 
I need (decent PDT, decent Subclipse).


Can't imagine what it looked like few years ago.


Since then I've mainly been using Dreamweaver, which works well with Smarty, 
and the 30-odd sites I manage.

How easy would it be for me to move my existing PHP sites into Eclipse, or do 
they need to be started off as projects?


I stopped using Dreamweaver at version 4 which had so many bugs they 
never fixed, even in 4.01.


Don't know how it has progressed since then.

Basically Eclipse does nothing to the code. It adds two folders .project 
and .settings to the project and needs somewhere to store non-project 
settings.


So there is nothing much to be moved.

For me the most powerful features are (no idea how Dreamweaver does that) -

a) Powerful integration between PDT and Subversion (or CVS, if you 
prefer). You see the version information in the file browser, in the 
search results, everywhere.


b) Powerful Subversion integration (Subclipse). Diffs across the 
history, branches, tags, etc., are done with 2-3 clicks.


c) Powerful local history. Eclipse can be configured to remember 
massively local changes, so if you mess up something, you can go back 
basically second by second and minute by minute and see what you did when.


d) Powerful search. PDT understands php so if you are looking for a 
function or a method - it takes zero time to find it even in a huge 
project. Eclipse remembers all searches you have done and dynamically 
updates the search result when you change files, so you can switch 
between different search result with one click.


e) Outline. You have both current file and project outline showing you 
all classes, methods, properties, constants - for one click access.


f) ... There is so much more, I have to write a book to tell you everything.

The best of all is that it's free in a big way - it's backed by IBM, 
etc. and there are tons of powerful projects that develop Eclipse modules.


All this does not mean you will be happier with Eclipse. The habit is a 
big thing and if you know Dreamweaver, you may be happier to stay there. 
Plus, Eclipse need some effort to be discovered, it is unconventional 
thing and at first one does know where to start.


But since I use it, the good surprises haven't stopped, and the pleasure 
to know that there are more on the way is a nice thing to have.


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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Lester Caine]

George Pitcher wrote:

Apart from that Eclipse is excellent and is improving.


I used Eclipse a few years ago when I was pretending to be a java developer. 


Since then I've mainly been using Dreamweaver, which works well with Smarty, 
and the 30-odd sites I manage.

How easy would it be for me to move my existing PHP sites into Eclipse, or do 
they need to be started off as projects?


Moving them in is a doddle. I'm adding external PHP packages to workspace all 
the time and the fault reporting in PHPEclipse often highlights problems that 
were not easy to track otherwise.


But never having used Dreamwaever I don't know if you loose anything?

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RE: [PHP] PHP ide?

[George Pitcher]

> Apart from that Eclipse is excellent and is improving.

I used Eclipse a few years ago when I was pretending to be a java developer. 

Since then I've mainly been using Dreamweaver, which works well with Smarty, 
and the 30-odd sites I manage.

How easy would it be for me to move my existing PHP sites into Eclipse, or do 
they need to be started off as projects?

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Andrew Peterson wrote:
Does anyone else find the Eclipse programs run EXTREMELY slow?  Maybe 
there's some sort of configuration I'm missing.


-Andrew


Eclipse is Java based. You need a decent machine and decent amount of RAM.

More tips -

a) Install only what you need

Eclipse is a universe of things written by different people and you can 
easily find yourself running tons of stuff that arrived as dependencies. 
It used to take me a while to figure out how to install what I need 
without installing what I don't need. In the latest version of Eclipse 
this became easier, especially using the Europa Discovery site.


b) Try alternative ways of doing things

For instance committing a file using the Subclipse perspective takes 
forever (on a large project) - it seems the Subclipse perspective 
updates the whole project after the commit. Committing the same file 
from within the PDT perspective takes seconds.


c) I/O access is critical

PDT does a lot of thing on save, for example. Slow I/O (hard drive) or 
concurrent access may slow your Eclipse a lot.


Apart from that Eclipse is excellent and is improving.

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

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Hulf wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?
>
> Ta,
>
> H.

Eclipse w/ PDT is great.

Excellent integration with Subversion (Subclipse). Shows the changed 
files in the file browser, extremely easy diff, history, etc.


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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Zoltán Németh]

2007. 11. 8, csütörtök keltezéssel 10.58-kor Lester Caine ezt írta:
> Darryl Ware wrote:
> > Eclipse with PDT plugin
> 
> I still prefer PHPEclise and Eclipse handles a lot of my documentation 
> management and other development tools so just one 'IDE' to play with

for me EasyEclipse for PHP

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[Lester Caine]

Darryl Ware wrote:

Eclipse with PDT plugin


I still prefer PHPEclise and Eclipse handles a lot of my documentation 
management and other development tools so just one 'IDE' to play with


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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Richard Heyes]

Eclipse with PDT plugin


Scite. Not quite an IDE per-se, but still very very good and extremely 
versatile.



IDE of champions ;)


That somewhat subjective... :)

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Re: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Darryl Ware]

Eclipse with PDT plugin

IDE of champions ;)

Hulf wrote:

Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?

Ta,

H. 



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RE: [PHP] PHP ide?

[Shelley Shyan]

Zend Studio or
PHPEd


Regards,
Shelley

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[PHP] PHP ide?

[Hulf]

Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones?

Ta,

H. 

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Re: [PHP] php ide type scripts

[Miles Thompson]

Malcolm,
It's called a learning curve, and is necessary to know the mechanics of the 
language. If you try to short-circuit it, you'll forever be wondering 
"How'd that happen?"

Just prepare some simple scripts and try them out, or use something like 
ColdFusion and be resigned to forever working in CF.

Trust me on this  -  I tried to short-circuit dBase II by using Fox & 
Geller's templating engine, except that because it had to be so general to 
handle every scenario, it wrote v. inefficient code. (It also wrote buggy 
code, and by the time you worked out their approach to programming you 
could have written the thing yourself.) And I've used a number of 
frameworks since; all have their pitfalls, usually because they have to be 
so general.

So, work with the tutorials on the PHP site and use them as stepping stone 
to help you through that swamp labelled "Slough of Stuff I Don't Know" to 
the "Uplands of Competency".

Have fun  - Miles Thompson
At 11:13 AM 12/15/2004, Malcolm Mill wrote:
Hi,
Newbie learning php here.
Does anyone (have|know where I can get) a set of html and php files to
automate script and form writing?
What I want is an html file with forms, drop down boxes, check boxes
etc, that will allow me to quickly|automatically construct php and
html code to run on my server.
For instance, a template generator:
to create a new file with the script directive for scripts I want to
run from the shell and output plain text.
to create a new file with html tags for server-scripts which will
output html formatting
to create scraps of code for function declarations, or control flow
structures, using text boxes on an html form to name variables and set
values, outputting the fully constructed scraps into another text area
from which I can cut and paste into a main script.
I don't want anything too complicated such as a fully blown graphical
IDE that will take me a long time to learn.
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[PHP] php ide type scripts

[Malcolm Mill]

Hi, 
Newbie learning php here. 
Does anyone (have|know where I can get) a set of html and php files to
automate script and form writing?

What I want is an html file with forms, drop down boxes, check boxes
etc, that will allow me to quickly|automatically construct php and
html code to run on my server.

For instance, a template generator:
to create a new file with the script directive for scripts I want to
run from the shell and output plain text.
to create a new file with html tags for server-scripts which will
output html formatting
to create scraps of code for function declarations, or control flow
structures, using text boxes on an html form to name variables and set
values, outputting the fully constructed scraps into another text area
from which I can cut and paste into a main script.

I don't want anything too complicated such as a fully blown graphical
IDE that will take me a long time to learn.

Cheers, 
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE for OS X

[Eric Marden]

I use Drewmweaver's code view as a PHP IDE It allows me to manage my
site / app files as a whole (which dreamweaver does great) and the
built-in IDE (not the wyswyg) has great code hinting and the other
standard features one might look for (syntax colors, line numbers,
etc.)

Since I usually do development as well as design, DW is a great IDE.
The MX and MX 2004 have a real Homesite feel - a great IDE that never
did make it over to the Mac.

- Eric Marden


On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:26:31 +1000, Justin French
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a PHP editor/IDE for OS X other than:
> 
> - BBEdit (already using it)
> - Zend Studio (it's Java, not OS X native)
> 
> What I'm hoping for is:
> - some form of auto-complete text for functions/constants/etc,
> - integrated testing/debugging
> - integration with local install of PHP
> - anything else that will make my life easier without 'getting in the
> way'.
> 
> My guess is it doesn't exist, but it's worth a shot.
> 
> PLEASE, no "On Windows I use..." or "I just use 'Text Editor X'" -- I'm
> looking for something more than a basic text editor, and it has to be
> OS X native (not some ugly, sluggish Java thing).
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE for OS X

[Daniel Schierbeck]

Andrei Verovski wrote:
Hi, Jastin,
Just try Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) and PHP plugin called phpeclipse (available 
at sourceforge.net). Works great on ALL platforms, including Linux, OSX and 
Win.

On Saturday 04 September 2004 05:26 pm, Justin French wrote:
Can anyone suggest a PHP editor/IDE for OS X other than:
- BBEdit (already using it)
- Zend Studio (it's Java, not OS X native)
What I'm hoping for is:
- some form of auto-complete text for functions/constants/etc,
- integrated testing/debugging
- integration with local install of PHP
- anything else that will make my life easier without 'getting in the
way'.
My guess is it doesn't exist, but it's worth a shot.
PLEASE, no "On Windows I use..." or "I just use 'Text Editor X'" -- I'm
looking for something more than a basic text editor, and it has to be
OS X native (not some ugly, sluggish Java thing).


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Hehe, i hope that you don't mind that i tag along here, but i'm also 
looking for a good IDE. I've installed Eclipse, but i can't really seem 
to understand exactly what i have to do in order to install phpEclipse. 
The installation help thing says that i have to install wampp first, but 
i have absolutely no idea what that is... What happened to the good old 
clean install.exe files?! Should i install that wampp thing? (i hope 
it's not some twisted virus :x)

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE for OS X

[Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru)]

Hi, Jastin,

Just try Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) and PHP plugin called phpeclipse (available 
at sourceforge.net). Works great on ALL platforms, including Linux, OSX and 
Win.

On Saturday 04 September 2004 05:26 pm, Justin French wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a PHP editor/IDE for OS X other than:
>
> - BBEdit (already using it)
> - Zend Studio (it's Java, not OS X native)
>
> What I'm hoping for is:
> - some form of auto-complete text for functions/constants/etc,
> - integrated testing/debugging
> - integration with local install of PHP
> - anything else that will make my life easier without 'getting in the
> way'.
>
> My guess is it doesn't exist, but it's worth a shot.
>
> PLEASE, no "On Windows I use..." or "I just use 'Text Editor X'" -- I'm
> looking for something more than a basic text editor, and it has to be
> OS X native (not some ugly, sluggish Java thing).


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[PHP] PHP IDE for OS X

[Justin French]

Can anyone suggest a PHP editor/IDE for OS X other than:
- BBEdit (already using it)
- Zend Studio (it's Java, not OS X native)
What I'm hoping for is:
- some form of auto-complete text for functions/constants/etc,
- integrated testing/debugging
- integration with local install of PHP
- anything else that will make my life easier without 'getting in the 
way'.

My guess is it doesn't exist, but it's worth a shot.
PLEASE, no "On Windows I use..." or "I just use 'Text Editor X'" -- I'm 
looking for something more than a basic text editor, and it has to be 
OS X native (not some ugly, sluggish Java thing).

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE

[Richard Davey]

Hello Alex,

Monday, February 16, 2004, 3:35:32 PM, you wrote:

AH> I was just wondering what different IDEs everyone is using and why.  I am
AH> asking to see if there are advantages in working in one over the other,
AH> other than personal preference of course.

Zend IDE 3.0.2

The biggest benefits for me:

Code Profiler - find out which parts of your code are running slowly.
Debugger - find out why.

Both accessible from the IE toolbar plugin (browse to the page/form
you want to profile and hit the button).

Very nice editor. Powerful search/replace (although no better than
Homesites which is what DW uses IIRC). Syntax checker, good Project
and CVS support, auto-complete and the very very useful function
in-sight feature which will give you pop-up suggestions to finish off
your function - i.e. type in "str" and as well as showing you stuff
like striptags or str_replace it'll also should you any functions you
have that start with "str" (stream_file for example). This is very
neat in big projects with loads of functions. Works across classes
too.

It's quite expensive, but the code profiler has paid for itself
several times over already and hey - it's by Zend, so you're kinda
supporting PHPs future too in a way.

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[PHP] PHP IDE

[Alex Hogan]

Hi All,

 

I was just wondering what different IDEs everyone is using and why.  I am
asking to see if there are advantages in working in one over the other,
other than personal preference of course.

 

I currently work in DW MX 04.  But I would like to know the pros and cons in
the others being used in production environments.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

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[PHP] PHP IDE opinions

[Shawn McKenzie]

Any opinions on the most feature rich IDE?  I use Maguma now, but I notice
that Zend Studio and phpED have some good profiling features.  I didn't see
that Zend had any DB connection features built-in though.  Any advice on
these two?  Others?

Thanks for your input!
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Ahbaid Gaffoor]

My folding is setup to work based on a function to fold and unfold. I 
have the function mapped to my "spacebar", so pressing it while
in escape mode will either fold or unfold the code

Place this in your .vimrc and then you can use "{{{" and "}}}" as your 
start and end tags


if has("folding")
 highlight Folded term=standout ctermfg=Yellow ctermbg=Blue
 set commentstring=#%s
 set fillchars="vert:|,fold: "
 set foldmethod=marker
 set foldmarker={{{,}}}
 fun! ToggleFold()
 if foldlevel('.') == 0
 normal! l
 else
 if foldclosed('.') < 0
 . foldclose
 else
 . foldopen
 endif
 endif
 " Clear status line
 echo
 endfun
 " Map this function to Space key.
 noremap  :call ToggleFold()
endif

The reasons given about vim (or vi) being on platforms are exactly the 
same that I have stuck with vim (vi) over the years.
In some shops they do not allow emacs on their boxes, some don't install 
additional editors, but vi has always been a constant.
this is just my experience, so please note that I am not berating anyone 
for their choice of editor...

regards

Ahbaid.

Wouter van Vliet wrote:

Yeah .. vim is my god too. You can do so many things with so little
keystrokes. And it basically has the best syntax highlighting I've ever
seen. With some easy tricks you can even let it highlight your own
functions. I haven't doen so, but I know it's possible :P... Also, it exists
on most servers so you can work directly on the server. Without having to
mess with (Samba) filesharing. Another advantage is that it runs both on
Linux as well as on Windows.
W.

(ps. Ahbaid or anyone else .. how can I get code to re-fold. I've setup my
vim to fold every PHP function and class, which works when I load te file.
But when I'm done editing a certain block, what do I do to make it fold back
in again?)
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

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Chris W. Parker wrote:

Of all these things can it connect to FTP locations?

I tried it out but could only manage to open files from my local
harddrive which is exactly where my php files are not.
 

Try HTMLKit: it can connect to an ftp-server.
http://www.html-kit.com
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RE: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Chris W. Parker]

Al 
on Monday, December 15, 2003 12:52 PM said:

> I searched for weeks and tried about 8 php editors and settled on
> http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/
> 
> Code hints and completion, and highlighting, etc. are superb.
> 
> Has a few minor bugs, but they are not serious.
> 
> The automatic documenter [they call it help, which it really isn't] is
> super.
> 
> Has built-in debugger.

Of all these things can it connect to FTP locations?

I tried it out but could only manage to open files from my local
harddrive which is exactly where my php files are not.


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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Al]

I searched for weeks and tried about 8 php editors and settled on 
http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/

Code hints and completion, and highlighting, etc. are superb. 

Has a few minor bugs, but they are not serious. 

The automatic documenter [they call it help, which it really isn't] is 
super. 

Has built-in debugger. 

Daniel Hahler wrote:

on Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:06:56 -0800 (PST) Jough Jeaux wrote:

JJ> Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
JJ> coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
JJ> works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
JJ> ways to boost my productivity.
Used to use UltraEdit some time, but now I'm with jEdit.

It's an OpenSource Java editor and supports plugins.. so you can
manage Projects and a lot more.
It's main target (from the number of plugins) is Java development, but
it's great for PHP/HTML also.
http://www.jedit.org/

 

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[daniel hahler]

on Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:06:56 -0800 (PST) Jough Jeaux wrote:

JJ> Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
JJ> coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
JJ> works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
JJ> ways to boost my productivity.

Used to use UltraEdit some time, but now I'm with jEdit.

It's an OpenSource Java editor and supports plugins.. so you can
manage Projects and a lot more.

It's main target (from the number of plugins) is Java development, but
it's great for PHP/HTML also.

http://www.jedit.org/


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RE: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Wouter van Vliet]

Yeah .. vim is my god too. You can do so many things with so little
keystrokes. And it basically has the best syntax highlighting I've ever
seen. With some easy tricks you can even let it highlight your own
functions. I haven't doen so, but I know it's possible :P... Also, it exists
on most servers so you can work directly on the server. Without having to
mess with (Samba) filesharing. Another advantage is that it runs both on
Linux as well as on Windows.

W.

(ps. Ahbaid or anyone else .. how can I get code to re-fold. I've setup my
vim to fold every PHP function and class, which works when I load te file.
But when I'm done editing a certain block, what do I do to make it fold back
in again?)

On zondag 14 december 2003 18:27 Ahbaid Gaffoor told the butterflies:
> with folding you can "fold" your code in chunks, you
> basically setup a "start fold" and an "end fold" and place
> code between them, then you can open and close (fold) that
> block of code as you need to or don't need to see it...
> 
> for example:
> 
> # {{{ PHP Code to do something...
> 
> ..
> ..
> 1 lines of code...
> ..
> ..
> # }}}
> 
> would collapse to one line when folded and look something like:
> 
> + PHP Code to do something
> 
> then when you hit space on it it expands. (I use {{{ and }}}
> as my start and end folds)
> 
> 
> ctags allows you to build a dictionary of words which you can
> hook into
> vim, that way you can do tab completion on PHP words etc.
> 
> I also like to map keystrokes to coding templates for things like
> functions, loops, declarations etc.
> 
> Everyone's got their own setup :)
> 
> Plus I always use a CVS repository for my work, so my routine
> of, code,
> test, commit is habit.
> 
> Looking at the responses there seems to be a lot of neat editors out
> there, to each his own. 
> 
> regards,
> 
> Ahbaid.
> 
> Jough Jeaux wrote:
> 
> > Hmm, I'm currently a vim user also.  You'll have to
> > elaborate on this folding and ctag business though...
> > 
> > 
> > --- Ahbaid Gaffoor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > vim - with folding and ctags
> > > 
> > > sweet.
> > > 
> > > Ahbaid
> > > 
> > > Jough Jeaux wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
> > > > coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
> > > > works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > for
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > ways to boost my productivity.
> > > > 
> > > > --Jough
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[SLanger]

Hello

If you don't mind running a JVM you can use PHPEclipse with the Eclipse 
Framework. Additionally to the php plugin there are a lot of other plugins 
out there that  can assist you. 

http://www.phpeclipse.org

Regards
Stefan Langer

RE: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Pablo Gosse]

>Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
>coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
>works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
>ways to boost my productivity.
>
>--Jough


If you're willing to purchase a commercial product I'd highly recommend
Zend's IDE.  I've been working on a large PHP development project for a
little over a year now and switched to the Zend IDE about three months
ago and it has really increased my productivity.

My $0.02 CDN ($0.0151483 USD).

P.

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Erwin Kerk]

Jough Jeaux wrote:
Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
ways to boost my productivity.
--Jough

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available, in-program previews (via local webserver), and much more.

http://www.htmlkit.com

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Ahbaid Gaffoor]

with folding you can "fold" your code in chunks, you basically setup a 
"start fold" and an "end fold" and place code between them, then you can
open and close (fold) that block of code as you need to or don't need to 
see it...

for example:

# {{{ PHP Code to do something...

..
..
1 lines of code...
..
..
# }}}
would collapse to one line when folded and look something like:

+ PHP Code to do something

then when you hit space on it it expands. (I use {{{ and }}} as my start 
and end folds)

ctags allows you to build a dictionary of words which you can hook into 
vim, that way you can do tab completion on PHP words etc.

I also like to map keystrokes to coding templates for things like 
functions, loops, declarations etc.

Everyone's got their own setup :)

Plus I always use a CVS repository for my work, so my routine of, code, 
test, commit is habit.

Looking at the responses there seems to be a lot of neat editors out 
there, to each his own.

regards,

Ahbaid.

Jough Jeaux wrote:

Hmm, I'm currently a vim user also.  You'll have to
elaborate on this folding and ctag business though...
--- Ahbaid Gaffoor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

vim - with folding and ctags

sweet.

Ahbaid

Jough Jeaux wrote:

   

Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking
 

for
   

ways to boost my productivity.

--Jough

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Mike]

Not that good. IIRC, all the error messages and the prompts are in 
German, one need to guess which button should press if you don't know 
the very language.

They were all in english last time I used it (which was a while ago)

Mike

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[BAO RuiXian]

Mike wrote:

if you are using windows, I would highlt recommend PHPEdit, it is open
source and has function completion.  It boosts productivity a lot
http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/

Mike
 

Not that good. IIRC, all the error messages and the prompts are in 
German, one need to guess which button should press if you don't know 
the very language.

Best

Bao

On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 17:06, Jough Jeaux wrote:
 

Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
ways to boost my productivity.
--Jough

   

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Mike]

if you are using windows, I would highlt recommend PHPEdit, it is open
source and has function completion.  It boosts productivity a lot

http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/

Mike

On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 17:06, Jough Jeaux wrote:
> Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
> coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
> works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
> ways to boost my productivity.
> 
> --Jough
> 
> 
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Tim Nilimaa]

Jough Jeaux wrote:

Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
ways to boost my productivity.
--Jough

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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

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On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 12:06, Jough Jeaux wrote:
> Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
> coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
> works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
> ways to boost my productivity.

Quanta Plus:
http://quanta.sourceforge.net

Bluefish is also very promising:
http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/


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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Clint Tredway]

I also have Note Tab Pro and I love it for simple stuff. The more complicated my stuff 
got the more I got away from note tab.

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>From: "Website Managers.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:45:46 -0600

>Some of us prefer the basics. Note Tab Pro www.notetab.com
>Has syntax highlighting and enough clip book libraries to do just about anything we 
>want.
>NetCaptor www.netcaptor.com for previewing our work.
>
>Jim
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>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Jough Jeaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:06 AM
>Subject: [PHP] PHP IDE?
>
>
>| Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
>| coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
>| works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
>| ways to boost my productivity.
>| 
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Some of us prefer the basics. Note Tab Pro www.notetab.com
Has syntax highlighting and enough clip book libraries to do just about anything we 
want.
NetCaptor www.netcaptor.com for previewing our work.

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From: "Jough Jeaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:06 AM
Subject: [PHP] PHP IDE?


| Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
| coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
| works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
| ways to boost my productivity.
| 
| --Jough

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re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Clint Tredway]

I have started using PrimalScript from www.sapien.com

It's cheaper than NuSphere and I love it.

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>From: Jough Jeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [PHP] PHP IDE?
>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:06:56 -0800 (PST)

>Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
>coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
>works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
>ways to boost my productivity.
>
>--Jough
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Richard Davey]

Hello Jough,

Saturday, December 13, 2003, 5:06:56 PM, you wrote:

JJ> Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
JJ> coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
JJ> works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
JJ> ways to boost my productivity.

I use NuSphere's phpED - it was a quite expensive initial outlay, but
it has paid for itself many times over since then. For HTML work (with
PHP included) I still use HomeSite 5 + TopStyle and will never move to anything
else (Dreamweaver is bloated beyond belief and don't even get me
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[Jough Jeaux]

Hmm, I'm currently a vim user also.  You'll have to
elaborate on this folding and ctag business though...


--- Ahbaid Gaffoor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> vim - with folding and ctags
> 
> sweet.
> 
> Ahbaid
> 
> Jough Jeaux wrote:
> 
> >Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
> >coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
> >works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking
> for
> >ways to boost my productivity.
> >
> >--Jough
> >
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?

[Ahbaid Gaffoor]

vim - with folding and ctags

sweet.

Ahbaid

Jough Jeaux wrote:

Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
ways to boost my productivity.
--Jough

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[PHP] PHP IDE?

[Jough Jeaux]

Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
coding in PHP.  I've got a big PHP project in the
works.  I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for
ways to boost my productivity.

--Jough


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Re: [PHP] php IDE for linux

[José León Serna]

Hello:
> please tell me a good PHP editor for linux, wich one you prefer.
> or a package for PHP in Xemacs.
I like very much this under linux http://quanta.sourceforge.net/

Best Regards.

QaDRAM Studio, RAD Development for the WEB
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Re: [PHP] php IDE for linux

[Scott]

I have been using Zend Studio on Windows and they have a Linux client.  
You can get a demo key at www.zend.com.

I am pretty sure that xemacs has a php mode as well.

-Scott



On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Pedro Jorge Dias Cardoso wrote:

> 
> please tell me a good PHP editor for linux, wich one you prefer.
> or a package for PHP in Xemacs.
> 
> i try the bluefish but i dont like it.
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Pedro Cardoso
> 
> 
> 
> 

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[PHP] php IDE for linux

[Pedro Jorge Dias Cardoso]

please tell me a good PHP editor for linux, wich one you prefer.
or a package for PHP in Xemacs.

i try the bluefish but i dont like it.
Thanks,


Pedro Cardoso



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[PHP] PHP IDE Feedback

[Dennis Moore]

I am currently evaluating the following IDEs that support PHP.

Zend's Studio 2.0
NuSphere's PHPEd
Active State's Komodo

My selection criteria are:

Code Completion 
Debugging
Project Management
Versioning and Source Control
Documentation
Code Deployment

I have read through the documentation of each vendor's product.   I am looking for 
feedback from those who are actually use the product and their satistaction and/or 
disappointment.


  

Re: [PHP] PHP IDE

[Jordan S. Jones]

Sweet.. Thanks..

"Andrey Hristov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
047801c1c9c1$ae7ec820$0b01a8c0@ANDreY">news:047801c1c9c1$ae7ec820$0b01a8c0@ANDreY...
> on gtk.php.net there is a link to PHPMole. Built with PHP requires GTK.
Not sure but I think that there is gtk lib for OSX since it
> is BSD.
>
> Best reagrds,
> Andrey Hristov
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jordan S. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:23 PM
> Subject: [PHP] PHP IDE
>
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I am, and have been for some time, in search of a PHP IDE that allows me
to
> > view things more on a project basis.  Meaning, that I would like to have
> > some sort of Class browsing capabilities along with file browsing
> > capabilities.  I am also looking for a decent freeware Texteditor/Web
> > Development environment for OS X.. If anyone can help me out in these
areas,
> > I would be greatly appreciative.
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Jordan
> >
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE

[Andrey Hristov]

on gtk.php.net there is a link to PHPMole. Built with PHP requires GTK. Not sure but I 
think that there is gtk lib for OSX since it
is BSD.

Best reagrds,
Andrey Hristov

- Original Message -
From: "Jordan S. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:23 PM
Subject: [PHP] PHP IDE


> Hey all,
>
> I am, and have been for some time, in search of a PHP IDE that allows me to
> view things more on a project basis.  Meaning, that I would like to have
> some sort of Class browsing capabilities along with file browsing
> capabilities.  I am also looking for a decent freeware Texteditor/Web
> Development environment for OS X.. If anyone can help me out in these areas,
> I would be greatly appreciative.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jordan
>
>
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[PHP] PHP IDE

[Jordan S. Jones]

Hey all,

I am, and have been for some time, in search of a PHP IDE that allows me to
view things more on a project basis.  Meaning, that I would like to have
some sort of Class browsing capabilities along with file browsing
capabilities.  I am also looking for a decent freeware Texteditor/Web
Development environment for OS X.. If anyone can help me out in these areas,
I would be greatly appreciative.

Thank You,

Jordan



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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE

[DrouetL]

You can use html-kit (www.chami.com) with the php plugin.

Very simple editor with syntax highlighting. Free

Or  you can buy phped from www.nusphere.com more sophisticated.

Laurent Drouet


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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE

[TD - Sales International Holland B.V.]

On Saturday 26 January 2002 03:49, Zeev Suraski stuffed this into my mailbox:

I use Activestate Komodo (www.activestate.com). It's not free though ($ 29,95 
end-user/educational $ 299 commercial). However, it's not just PHP, it also 
has stuff for perl, C and several other languages.

regards


> I'm probably not objective, but the upcoming (Feb 4) Zend Studio is pretty
> darned good, and it works perfectly under Linux.  You can try the beta
> (even though final release will have much more impressive/intelligent code
> completion) at zend.com/store/beta.php
>
> Zeev
>
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Rafael Perazzo B Mota wrote:
> > Who knows a good Php IDE for linux, like PHP Code ?
> >
> > Rafael Perazzo
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE

[Zeev Suraski]

I'm probably not objective, but the upcoming (Feb 4) Zend Studio is pretty
darned good, and it works perfectly under Linux.  You can try the beta
(even though final release will have much more impressive/intelligent code
completion) at zend.com/store/beta.php

Zeev

On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Rafael Perazzo B Mota wrote:

> Who knows a good Php IDE for linux, like PHP Code ? 
> 
> Rafael Perazzo 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE

[Alexander Weber]

Rafael Perazzo B Mota wrote:
> 
> Who knows a good Php IDE for linux, like PHP Code ?
> 
Just have a look at www.activestate.com. They sell a product called
Komodo.


Alexander

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[Rafael Perazzo B Mota]

Who knows a good Php IDE for linux, like PHP Code ? 

Rafael Perazzo 



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Re: [PHP] PHP ide features...

[Rick St Jean]

I use a fantastic program called Textpad.  I love ultraedit also but 
what it lacks is a clip or snippets library.
The functions work well... as well as the macros.  The thing that the 
snippets or clip library needs is the ability
to have a hotkey tied to each one... the drawback of a macro is you have to 
retype them.,,, the big thing why
I dropped ultraedit is that the line numbers do not read the end of a 
line if a line goes past the edge of a page
and the word wrap is on the rest of that line gets a new number that throws 
everything else off.  Ability to use
unix regular expressions for searching.  Ability to reassign hotkeys is 
important... everyone wants to customize
their keys.



Something that I have also never seen and would like is to have a central 
repository for code snippets within a
company.  I think that something like this would be very unique and 
useful.  Everyone has a shared drive and
it load the definitions from there.  If it gets updated then everyone's 
would update.





At 01:04 PM 3/9/01 -0600, Chris Lee wrote:
>I use ultraedit love it.
>
>- ftp open
>- line numbers and ruler
>- search and replace by file, highlightd text, dir
>- auto indent, highlight a group of text and indent or de-dent.
>- file::open::default dir depends on the current file open
>- htmltidy built in
>- spell check text not code.
>- macros
>- syntax highlighting
>- linking to php.net/manual/ functions.
>- new files open inside main windows (file tabs) not in new windows (like IE)
>
>there are lots
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>It's release date is March 15.  It is a completely free source/ware.  I
>was hoping to get a list of features that PHP developers would want to
>see.  I will make an attempt to have all of these features included in the
>March 15 version.  Thank you very much for your time.
>
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