Re: [PHP] Re: No forums?
On Mon, November 7, 2005 6:34 am, Finner, Doug wrote: > Wow, go away for a few days and holy war breaks out...cool! > > Why not one system that supports both without extra work? The model > I'm > thinking of is Google or Yahoo groups(*). You can access any 'forum' > via a web browser, search, post, reply, etc AND/OR you can subscribe > to > any forum and get messages sent to you via email (individual or digest > format). > > At work, I sit behind a firewall and web access involves a multi-stop > PITA process so listerservers work well for me there. At home, forum > access is easier since I can go to the forum site, decide what I want > to > read and/or respond to without cluttering up my email client. > > Doug > > (*) - I am NOT suggesting this forum be configured like Yahoo, the > search function absolutely sucks and I'm not a real fan of the layout, > but the concept of a forum that's a list that's a forum...is what I > like. For what it's worth, Yahoo has not PHP groups I can find but > there are 33 over at Google with 100 - 1000 members. YahooGroups hosts at least 2 (regional) PHP mailing lists that I know of. Both happen to be Chicago-based. (as am I) One gets virtually no traffic. The other has migrated to SourceForge for all intents and purposes, but the YahooGroups list remains as a doorway out of darkness for those who stumble into it. So not only does searching for a message within a YahooGroup suck (and it really really really sucks) but apparently searching for a Group also sucks. :-) PS I really don't understand how a filter and a separate folder can "clutter" up an email client... Surely your email client HAS filters/folders... -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: No forums?
Wow, go away for a few days and holy war breaks out...cool! Why not one system that supports both without extra work? The model I'm thinking of is Google or Yahoo groups(*). You can access any 'forum' via a web browser, search, post, reply, etc AND/OR you can subscribe to any forum and get messages sent to you via email (individual or digest format). At work, I sit behind a firewall and web access involves a multi-stop PITA process so listerservers work well for me there. At home, forum access is easier since I can go to the forum site, decide what I want to read and/or respond to without cluttering up my email client. Doug (*) - I am NOT suggesting this forum be configured like Yahoo, the search function absolutely sucks and I'm not a real fan of the layout, but the concept of a forum that's a list that's a forum...is what I like. For what it's worth, Yahoo has not PHP groups I can find but there are 33 over at Google with 100 - 1000 members. ___ This e-mail message has been sent by Kollsman, Inc. and is for the use of the intended recipients only. The message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, and you are requested to delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify the sender immediately. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: No forums?
Since when is a forum more efficent than this newsgroup, forums tend to be more images/content and require more maintainance, this newsgroup is perfect for me and many other people I imagine. GamblerZG wrote: AFAIK, there are no "official" forums for PHP. Considering the fact that PHP is a web development tool, such distaste for message boards is ironic at the least. So why exactly there aren't any forums on php.net? I've monitored this list long enough to predict the most probable replies to this message. To save everybody some time, I will ansver them here, without waiting someone to key them in. Reply: There are forums on zend.com. My Reply: zend.com != php.com. lol, too right, php.com is nothing to do with PHP or zend.com is nothing to do with php.com :-) R: There is a web interface for this mailing list. MR: You cant' post new messages there, and it's just another way of showing emails anyway. R: There is a newsgroup interface. MR: Yeah, I'm using it right now. But it requires special software, and is terribly slow, unless you have very good connection and moderately powerful PC. Most desktop systems come with an email client as standard so what special software is required! R: Forums suck, mailing lists rule. MR: Not if you don't like receiving 200 messages + spam every day. If you bother to look when suscribing you would notice two choices, 1. Digest 2. Normal The first being the one where you get emails, the second is for those who just open their mail client at their own leisure, R: Synchronizing mail lists and forums is very difficult and nobody will do it. MR: There is no need to synchronize anything. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: No forums?
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:09:01 -0500, GamblerZG wrote: > AFAIK, there are no "official" forums for PHP. Considering the fact that > PHP is a web development tool, such distaste for message boards is ironic > at the least. So why exactly there aren't any forums on php.net? I wonder why you use the term distaste i don't think that is why there is no mesage boards around. I believe you've answer your own question later in this email with your question: R: Synchronizing mail lists and forums is very difficult and nobody will do it. You only (incorrectly) answer the first part of the question but never address the second part. > ... > I've monitored this list long enough to predict the most probable > replies to this message. To save everybody some time, I will ansver them > here, without waiting someone to key them in. So what is the point of the sending your message? > ... > R: There is a web interface for this mailing list. > MR: You cant' post new messages there, and it's just another way of > showing emails anyway. It wasn't designed for an interface to reply to, hence the read only factor. > R: There is a newsgroup interface. > MR: Yeah, I'm using it right now. But it requires special software, and > is terribly slow, unless you have very good connection and moderately > powerful PC. Special software? Outlook, Thunderbird, mutt. yes the news server is slow. > > R: Forums suck, mailing lists rule. > MR: Not if you don't like receiving 200 messages + spam every day. The question isn't about forums sucking, i tend to belong to several mailing lists and have them all go in my proper folders or (gmail) labels. > > R: Synchronizing mail lists and forums is very difficult and nobody will > do it. > MR: There is no need to synchronize anything. I wouldn't say that it is difficult, it is a matter of anyone doing it. I'm half way at the point to enable posting via the web (see sig), but i don't think i will even go that route. At this point it sounds like you just want to get rid of the current ways of discussing topics and just use a web forum. It just comes down to it that the mailing list system isn't going to go away anytime soon nor is the news server. so someone will just have to take the time and write some sort of web forum like application. Besides, because php is a web development tool it doesn't mean that everything that php.net does has to be written in php. I hope you don't suggest to have a web only cvs interface to commit code. Curt. -- http://news.zirzow.dyndns.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
