RE: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]
On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 13:51 -0500, Jay Blanchard wrote: > [snip]tons of stuff[/snip] > > C'mon folks! You're programmers! Don't like the way your mail client > handles the list? Then write an interface (using PHP of course) that > only responds to the list when you generate a reply. I wish I was that good! :-) > -- Blessings, David M. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]
On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jay Blanchard wrote: Then write an interface (using PHP of course) that only responds to the list when you generate a reply. LOL WT?? WHY would we want to do that? Much unnecessary work when an admin could set a reply-to and all would be solved. With all due respect, if I was going to go through all that trouble just so I could hit reply instead of reply-all or reply-list or reply- group, I would write an email list program that discussed PHP (in PHP) and I would set the reply-to to go to my list email. :) Not to mention, the admin can set all of them to go to the list email. reply-to reply-list reply-group They just have to set the headers to point there. Much easier than what was suggested. That aside, I think David was just wondering why it was set up that way in the first part. More a question for a admin, then the list, but it is on the list none the less. I would have sent that one to the Admin directly. It is curious though, why the admin of the PHP lists depend on special case scenarios such as reply-list or reply-group. To me, thats kind of like saying you can only click buttons on our website if you use Internet Explorer. Everyone else has to view the source and copy the urls to navigate. Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]
On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 15:55 -0500, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: > On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jay Blanchard wrote: > > > Then write an interface (using PHP of course) that > > only responds to the list when you generate a reply. > > LOL > WT?? > > WHY would we want to do that? Much unnecessary work when an admin > could set a reply-to and all would be solved. > With all due respect, if I was going to go through all that trouble > just so I could hit reply instead of reply-all or reply-list or reply- > group, > I would write an email list program that discussed PHP (in PHP) and I > would set the reply-to to go to my list email. > :) > > Not to mention, the admin can set all of them to go to the list email. > > reply-to > reply-list > reply-group > > They just have to set the headers to point there. Much easier than > what was suggested. > > That aside, I think David was just wondering why it was set up that > way in the first part. > More a question for a admin, then the list, but it is on the list > none the less. > I would have sent that one to the Admin directly. > > It is curious though, why the admin of the PHP lists depend on > special case scenarios such as reply-list or reply-group. > To me, thats kind of like saying you can only click buttons on our > website if you use Internet Explorer. > Everyone else has to view the source and copy the urls to navigate. > > Best, > > Karl DeSaulniers > Design Drumm > http://designdrumm.com > > I believe Dan Brown mentioned a very good reason why this is not as simple an issue as just changing the reply-to. Not everyone who posts to the list subscribes to the list, so being copied into the emails is good for them. Suddenly changing the way things work could actually be detrimental to the list. Imagine how many people joined up *after* posting a question and receiving a good answer. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]
On 22 April 2010 12:14, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > I believe Dan Brown mentioned a very good reason why this is not as > simple an issue as just changing the reply-to. Not everyone who posts to > the list subscribes to the list, so being copied into the emails is good > for them. Suddenly changing the way things work could actually be > detrimental to the list. Imagine how many people joined up *after* > posting a question and receiving a good answer. That wouldn't change - they only get copied in when you choose 'reply-all' and that would work the same whether or not a 'reply-to' is used. Regards Peter -- WWW: http://plphp.dk / http://plind.dk LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/plind Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fake51 BeWelcome: Fake51 Couchsurfing: Fake51 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 17:06 +0200, Peter Lind wrote: > On 22 April 2010 12:14, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > I believe Dan Brown mentioned a very good reason why this is not as > > simple an issue as just changing the reply-to. Not everyone who posts to > > the list subscribes to the list, so being copied into the emails is good > > for them. Suddenly changing the way things work could actually be > > detrimental to the list. Imagine how many people joined up *after* > > posting a question and receiving a good answer. > > That wouldn't change - they only get copied in when you choose > 'reply-all' and that would work the same whether or not a 'reply-to' > is used. > > Regards > Peter > It would change for the first reply. You say you just want to hit reply to reply to the list. Now if anyone hits reply, because the reply-to' header has been changed, the reply goes to the list and not the op. They're not subscribed and so they miss out. The way things stand, hitting reply instead of reply to all sends the reply back to the op only. It happens on this list often and doesn't cause many issues as the op or replyer notices and sends/copies the list back in again. Changing the reply-to header would mean that if someone just hit reply, the unsubscribed op wouldn't get the reply at all, and any further replies to that thread would all be to the list only and the unsubscribed op would never know. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]
On 22 April 2010 17:05, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 17:06 +0200, Peter Lind wrote: > > On 22 April 2010 12:14, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > I believe Dan Brown mentioned a very good reason why this is not as > > simple an issue as just changing the reply-to. Not everyone who posts to > > the list subscribes to the list, so being copied into the emails is good > > for them. Suddenly changing the way things work could actually be > > detrimental to the list. Imagine how many people joined up *after* > > posting a question and receiving a good answer. > > That wouldn't change - they only get copied in when you choose > 'reply-all' and that would work the same whether or not a 'reply-to' > is used. > > Regards > Peter > > > It would change for the first reply. You say you just want to hit reply to > reply to the list. Now if anyone hits reply, because the reply-to' header has > been changed, the reply goes to the list and not the op. They're not > subscribed and so they miss out. You seem to forget the amount of people stating "remove the other addresses" from the "reply-all" response. Also, if you don't want to subscribe to a mailing list, the onus is really on you to make sure you get the response if any comes. > The way things stand, hitting reply instead of reply to all sends the reply > back to the op only. It happens on this list often and doesn't cause many > issues as the op or replyer notices and sends/copies the list back in again. It's rather annoying and easily avoided. The question is whether this problem is bigger than people not subscribed to the list not getting a response, because people use "reply" instead of "reply all". > Changing the reply-to header would mean that if someone just hit reply, the > unsubscribed op wouldn't get the reply at all, and any further replies to > that thread would all be to the list only and the unsubscribed op would never > know. Emailing a mailing list and expecting an automated response is ... I don't want to be negative or arrogant, but I think there's a general and rather problematic lack of experience there. It's a bit like walking past a group of people, yelling a question at them, then expecting one of them to run back to you with the answer after you've passed. Would you normally expect that kind of behaviour? Apart from that, if in the current scenario you just hit 'reply' and send the email off to the OP, the list doesn't get the benefit - and the OP is not going to change that fact, as they're not subscribed to the list and won't notice anyway. Which is worse, one person having to check the answer by looking at the mailing list archive or the rest of the list not benefiting at all from the answer? Regards Peter -- WWW: http://plphp.dk / http://plind.dk LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/plind Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fake51 BeWelcome: Fake51 Couchsurfing: Fake51 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 17:35 +0200, Peter Lind wrote: > Which is worse, one person having to > check the answer by looking at the mailing list archive or the rest of > the list not benefiting at all from the answer? Well, as that one person was the one who needed the help enough to ask the question in the first place... I just don't agree that the reply-to field should be changed. Most email clients are intelligent enough to recognise mailing lists when they see them, and those that aren't, well, I don't think the world should have to change to fit in with poor software. I know that often people don't have a choice with what is installed on a computer, but surely it's better trying to speak to whoever is in-charge of that to ask them to change their procedures than get however many shared systems (i.e. mailing lists) to change their methods? I guess I'm too far gone down the open source route now to 'get' the closed source problems that many people face in their offices. If I don't like a piece of software, I can choose different software, contact the developers, or even attempt to create a workaround myself. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
