Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
Ethan Rosenberg wrote: FYI [to all the list] -- I thank all for their input. I only needed US phones, and I am forcing the user of the form to conform to xxx-xxx- as the input format. out of interest, why are you forcing you're users to conform to that input format? you could simply strip all non-numeric chars then format how you like to save, thus giving users a looser, more friendly, experience. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
At 07:11 AM 12/31/2010, Nathan Rixham wrote: Ethan Rosenberg wrote: FYI [to all the list] -- I thank all for their input. I only needed US phones, and I am forcing the user of the form to conform to xxx-xxx- as the input format. out of interest, why are you forcing you're users to conform to that input format? you could simply strip all non-numeric chars then format how you like to save, thus giving users a looser, more friendly, experience. + Nathan - This expression will be used to search a database which will contain patient data resulting from medical research. At the initial visit a medical record number will be assigned to the patient. Other information will be collected at that point; eg, the telephone number. At subsequent visits, the patient will be referenced by his/hers medical record number. If the patient either forgot their clinic card, or cannot remember their medical record number, a search will be performed. One of the many parameters that can be used in the search is the phone number. It is easier if all the data has a fixed format. The form for the initial visit will use a regex that will validate the phone number. As the research will be performed in the US, only US numbers have to be validated. Hope this helps. Ethan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
Sorry for top-post, on phone. What about mobile phone numbers (cell phones you call them in the US) do they conform to the same format? I know there have been times myself when I've been without a landline number leaving me with only my mobile as a means of contact. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk - Reply message - From: Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net Date: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 14:03 Subject: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers To: Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com Cc: php-general@lists.php.net php-general@lists.php.net At 07:11 AM 12/31/2010, Nathan Rixham wrote: Ethan Rosenberg wrote: FYI [to all the list] -- I thank all for their input. I only needed US phones, and I am forcing the user of the form to conform to xxx-xxx- as the input format. out of interest, why are you forcing you're users to conform to that input format? you could simply strip all non-numeric chars then format how you like to save, thus giving users a looser, more friendly, experience. + Nathan - This expression will be used to search a database which will contain patient data resulting from medical research. At the initial visit a medical record number will be assigned to the patient. Other information will be collected at that point; eg, the telephone number. At subsequent visits, the patient will be referenced by his/hers medical record number. If the patient either forgot their clinic card, or cannot remember their medical record number, a search will be performed. One of the many parameters that can be used in the search is the phone number. It is easier if all the data has a fixed format. The form for the initial visit will use a regex that will validate the phone number. As the research will be performed in the US, only US numbers have to be validated. Hope this helps. Ethan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
At 09:27 AM 12/31/2010, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: Sorry for top-post, on phone. What about mobile phone numbers (cell phones you call them in the US) do they conform to the same format? I know there have been times myself when I've been without a landline number leaving me with only my mobile as a means of contact. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.ukhttp://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk - Reply message - From: Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net Date: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 14:03 Subject: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers To: Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com Cc: php-general@lists.php.net php-general@lists.php.net At 07:11 AM 12/31/2010, Nathan Rixham wrote: Ethan Rosenberg wrote: FYI [to all the list] -- I thank all for their input. I only needed US phones, and I am forcing the user of the form to conform to xxx-xxx- as the input format. out of interest, why are you forcing you're users to conform to that input format? you could simply strip all non-numeric chars then format how you like to save, thus giving users a looser, more friendly, experience. + Nathan - This expression will be used to search a database which will contain patient data resulting from medical research. At the initial visit a medical record number will be assigned to the patient. Other information will be collected at that point; eg, the telephone number. At subsequent visits, the patient will be referenced by his/hers medical record number. If the patient either forgot their clinic card, or cannot remember their medical record number, a search will be performed. One of the many parameters that can be used in the search is the phone number. It is easier if all the data has a fixed format. The form for the initial visit will use a regex that will validate the phone number. As the research will be performed in the US, only US numbers have to be validated. Hope this helps. Ethan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.phphttp://www.php.net/unsub.php Ash - In contrast to some non-US phone numbers, all the numbers here [cell and landline] have the same format. Ethan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
Ethan Rosenberg wrote: At 07:11 AM 12/31/2010, Nathan Rixham wrote: Ethan Rosenberg wrote: FYI [to all the list] -- I thank all for their input. I only needed US phones, and I am forcing the user of the form to conform to xxx-xxx- as the input format. out of interest, why are you forcing you're users to conform to that input format? you could simply strip all non-numeric chars then format how you like to save, thus giving users a looser, more friendly, experience. + Nathan - This expression will be used to search a database which will contain patient data resulting from medical research. At the initial visit a medical record number will be assigned to the patient. Other information will be collected at that point; eg, the telephone number. At subsequent visits, the patient will be referenced by his/hers medical record number. If the patient either forgot their clinic card, or cannot remember their medical record number, a search will be performed. One of the many parameters that can be used in the search is the phone number. It is easier if all the data has a fixed format. The form for the initial visit will use a regex that will validate the phone number. As the research will be performed in the US, only US numbers have to be validated. Ethan, I think you misunderstand, I'm saying that regardless of which format you use within the system, users could enter phone numbers as 1231231234 123 123 1234 123-123 1234 or any variant they like, that's completely orthogonal to how you validate and save the data, in all of those cases all you need to do string non-numeric chars to validate, you may also find your indexes work that bit quicker storing numbers rather than specially (and needlessly) formatted string. Likewise on the way back out, when presenting the numbers to users, all you need to do is string format them. Follow? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: Sorry for top-post, on phone. What about mobile phone numbers (cell phones you call them in the US) do they conform to the same format? AFAIK, they too vary from country to country. Swiss mobile numbers are 07[6789] NNN, the latter usually written as NNN NN NN, but also often in a way that will help remembering the number. Danish mobile#s are the same as land line numbers, no area code, just . -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.8°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:04, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: AFAIK, they too vary from country to country. Swiss mobile numbers are 07[6789] NNN, the latter usually written as NNN NN NN, but also often in a way that will help remembering the number. Danish mobile#s are the same as land line numbers, no area code, just . In the US and Canada, though, there's [as of yet] no difference between landline, mobile, VOIP, fax, toll-free, premium (900), et cetera. Again, that's why I wrote out the example the way I did, which conforms to NANP (NPA/NXX) standards. It's the only suggestion so far that will work completely (which sounds cocky, but screw it, it's the last Friday of the year ;-P). -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers, Cloud and Cloud Hybrid Solutions, VPS, Hosting (866-) 725-4321 http://www.parasane.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
I guess, this will work fine ereg('[0-9]{3}-[0-9]{3}-[0-9]{4}', $phone_number); On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.netwrote: Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Thanks. Ethan MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- with best regards, Dmitriy.
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:05, Dmitriy Ugnichenko mitya.ugniche...@gmail.com wrote: I guess, this will work fine ereg('[0-9]{3}-[0-9]{3}-[0-9]{4}', $phone_number); Not quite. Plus, all ereg* functions have been deprecated for some time now. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager Documentation, Webmaster Teams http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 19:35 -0500, Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 19:12, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Congrats. People in Hell would like ice water. Now we all know that everyone wants something. ;-P Really, this isn't a PHP question, but rather one of regular expressions. That said, something like this (untested) should work: ?php $numbers = array( '123-456-7890', '2-654-06547', 'sf34-asdf-', 'abc-def-ghij', '555_555_', '000-000-', '8007396325', '241-555-2091', '800-555-0129', '900-976-739', '5352-342=452', '200-200-2000', ); foreach ($numbers as $n) { echo $n.(validate_phone($n) ? ' is ' : ' is not ').'a valid US/Canadian telephone number.'.PHP_EOL; } function validate_phone($number) { if (preg_match('/^[2-9]{1,}[0-9]{2,}\-[2-9]{1,}[0-9]{2,}\-[0-9]{4,}$/',trim($number))) { return true; } return false; } ? THIS is the regex you want to use... it is the most complete one that has been posted here, and it works. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
On 12/29/2010 4:35 PM, Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 19:12, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Congrats. People in Hell would like ice water. Now we all know that everyone wants something. ;-P Really, this isn't a PHP question, but rather one of regular expressions. That said, something like this (untested) should work: ?php $numbers = array( '123-456-7890', '2-654-06547', 'sf34-asdf-', 'abc-def-ghij', '555_555_', '000-000-', '8007396325', '241-555-2091', '800-555-0129', '900-976-739', '5352-342=452', '200-200-2000', ); foreach ($numbers as $n) { echo $n.(validate_phone($n) ? ' is ' : ' is not ').'a valid US/Canadian telephone number.'.PHP_EOL; } function validate_phone($number) { if (preg_match('/^[2-9]{1,}[0-9]{2,}\-[2-9]{1,}[0-9]{2,}\-[0-9]{4,}$/',trim($number))) { return true; } return false; } ? Actually... Specified here [1] it says that the {1,} is the same as '+'. I think you should drop the comma. If you don't this would be valid 844-2345-123456 ^[2-9]{1,}[0-9]{2,}\-[2-9]{1,}[0-9]{2,}\-[0-9]{4,}$ should be ^[2-9]{1}[0-9]{2}\-[2-9]{1}[0-9]{2}\-[0-9]{4}$ 1 http://us.php.net/manual/en/regexp.reference.repetition.php Jim Lucas -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 19:09, Jim Lucas li...@cmsws.com wrote: Actually... Specified here [1] it says that the {1,} is the same as '+'. I think you should drop the comma. If you don't this would be valid 844-2345-123456 ^[2-9]{1,}[0-9]{2,}\-[2-9]{1,}[0-9]{2,}\-[0-9]{4,}$ should be ^[2-9]{1}[0-9]{2}\-[2-9]{1}[0-9]{2}\-[0-9]{4}$ Bah, you're absolutely correct. Force of habit with the commas. I didn't even notice the sample test cases I put into that test array didn't check for more than the number of digits per field, either. Good catch, Jim, and Happy New Year. -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers, Cloud and Cloud Hybrid Solutions, VPS, Hosting (866-) 725-4321 http://www.parasane.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
At 07:27 PM 12/29/2010, Josh Kehn wrote: On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Thanks. Ethan MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php You can't, phone numbers are more complex then that. You could use \d{3}-\d{3}-\d{4} to match that basic pattern for all numbers though. Regards, -Josh ___ http://joshuakehn.com Sent from my iPod Josh - I used use \d{3}-\d{3}-\d{4}. It works beautifully!! FYI [to all the list] -- I thank all for their input. I only needed US phones, and I am forcing the user of the form to conform to xxx-xxx- as the input format. Ethan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 14:07, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net wrote: Josh - I used use \d{3}-\d{3}-\d{4}. It works beautifully!! Just keep in mind that invalid numbers will also pass that check, such as 000-000- or 123-456-6789. That's why my example was a bit more involved. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager Documentation, Webmaster Teams http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=regex+to+validate+US+phone+numbers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Thanks. Ethan MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
I suggest you try javascript. Richard L. Buskirk -Original Message- From: Ethan Rosenberg [mailto:eth...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:12 PM To: php-db-lists.php.net; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Thanks. Ethan MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
On 30/12/2010, at 1:12 PM, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Thanks. Ethan MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php \d{3}-\d{3}-\d{4} Also, have a look at the phoneNumber method in the relevant Validate PEAR package: http://pear.php.net/packages.php?catpid=50catname=Validate --- Simon Welsh Admin of http://simon.geek.nz/ Who said Microsoft never created a bug-free program? The blue screen never, ever crashes! http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/gimme.cgi?wid=81d520e5e -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
Also remove your stupid Email filter. If you need a email filter, you should not be on this list or learn to setup rules one. Richard L. Buskirk -Original Message- From: Ethan Rosenberg [mailto:eth...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:12 PM To: php-db-lists.php.net; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Thanks. Ethan MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Thanks. Ethan MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php You can't, phone numbers are more complex then that. You could use \d{3}-\d{3}-\d{4} to match that basic pattern for all numbers though. Regards, -Josh ___ http://joshuakehn.com Sent from my iPod -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
Hi Ethan, Could you do a string compare and check at certain characters for a dash? IE: check the second character to see if it is a dash for 1-800... if that is not a dash, check the fourth character for a dash, 469-9... then the other places where dashes would be based on those two characters. You may have to investigate how international numbers would work and adjust appropriately, but for the US, that should work. Then just send an error message when it isn't like you want. JAT Karl On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:27 PM, Josh Kehn wrote: On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Thanks. Ethan MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php You can't, phone numbers are more complex then that. You could use \d{3}-\d{3}-\d{4} to match that basic pattern for all numbers though. Regards, -Josh ___ http://joshuakehn.com Sent from my iPod -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
You could also help them out a little with something like.. $phone = str_replace((, , $phone); $phone = str_replace(), -, $phone); HTH, Karl On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:27 PM, Josh Kehn wrote: On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Thanks. Ethan MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php You can't, phone numbers are more complex then that. You could use \d{3}-\d{3}-\d{4} to match that basic pattern for all numbers though. Regards, -Josh ___ http://joshuakehn.com Sent from my iPod -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
Why not have three separate fields for each part, as that way you don't need to bother about how the user separates them, as trust me, if they can break it, they will. I have found it is best to always limit the amount of free entry you permit a user, as that will drastically cut back in data entry validation. Alexis On 29/12/10 17:46, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: Hi Ethan, Could you do a string compare and check at certain characters for a dash? IE: check the second character to see if it is a dash for 1-800... if that is not a dash, check the fourth character for a dash, 469-9... then the other places where dashes would be based on those two characters. You may have to investigate how international numbers would work and adjust appropriately, but for the US, that should work. Then just send an error message when it isn't like you want. JAT Karl On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:27 PM, Josh Kehn wrote: On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Thanks. Ethan MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php You can't, phone numbers are more complex then that. You could use \d{3}-\d{3}-\d{4} to match that basic pattern for all numbers though. Regards, -Josh ___ http://joshuakehn.com Sent from my iPod -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 19:12, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear List - Thank you for all your help in the past. Here is another one I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone number is in the format xxx-xxx-. Congrats. People in Hell would like ice water. Now we all know that everyone wants something. ;-P Really, this isn't a PHP question, but rather one of regular expressions. That said, something like this (untested) should work: ?php $numbers = array( '123-456-7890', '2-654-06547', 'sf34-asdf-', 'abc-def-ghij', '555_555_', '000-000-', '8007396325', '241-555-2091', '800-555-0129', '900-976-739', '5352-342=452', '200-200-2000', ); foreach ($numbers as $n) { echo $n.(validate_phone($n) ? ' is ' : ' is not ').'a valid US/Canadian telephone number.'.PHP_EOL; } function validate_phone($number) { if (preg_match('/^[2-9]{1,}[0-9]{2,}\-[2-9]{1,}[0-9]{2,}\-[0-9]{4,}$/',trim($number))) { return true; } return false; } ? -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers, Cloud and Cloud Hybrid Solutions, VPS, Hosting (866-) 725-4321 http://www.parasane.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php