RE: [PHP] a code question..??
On Thu, November 10, 2005 7:41 pm, bruce wrote: > +---+ > | | > | user| > | 'sub_btn'| > | | > | | > | | > | | > | blah | > | blah | > | blah | > | | > | | > | | > +---+ > > in this example, the user/sub_btn is generated from the app B > server/system. Presumably blah, blah, blah is on A, right?... > the user would then fill in the 'user' and hit the 'sub_btn', causing > the > information to be sent back to the app B server. > > the app B server would then return a result, based on the user > input... i'm > trying to figure out how to essentially allocate a section of the > page, to a > remote application. after i've finished with the remote stuff, the > user > could go ahead and select other items/buttons on the page that are in > the > current environment > i'm not sure what's the best approach to this... How much do you trust the remote applications? How much power do you need to give them for them to be able to generate the correct output for their space allocated to them? How much data needs to transfer for them to know what content to generate? How much content will the be generating? How flexible will this need to be for A and B content decisions? What sort of volume of traffic are you looking at? Until we know more, our answer remains: "Yes, you can do this any number of ways, depending on what you want to do" You can web-scrape, you can SOAP, you can RPC, you can require source code back and forth, you can get the elves to do all the work for you. We don't know which way you want to go with this either, because we don't know any of the parameters that affect the decisions, much less know what you're actually trying to do. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] a code question..??
On Thu, November 10, 2005 6:02 pm, bruce wrote: > in your example, wouldn't app A, essentially download the code from > app B, > and run the source on app A? or would the code be run on app B, with > the > resulting html/content/page being transferred to app A? Yes, but I've NEVER in this entire thread understood which server you wanted to run the code in the first place... If you want B to run the code, then just web-scrape the results. If you want A to run the code, then have B deliver code to A to run. You can do whichever one you want. > would this be better if it were perhaps done as a soap client/server > process... of course, the fact that the user's php would have to have > the > soap extensions installed would be an issue... Which goes back to our earlier statement, that you've abstracted this out so well, and left out so many details, that none of us really understand what you're trying to do in the first place. Which doesn't really matter: Whichever one you want to do, you can do it. If you want to add the overhead of SOAP and require B to have SOAP to play with you, that's fine. If not, that's fine too. I've been thinking about buying a new car. Which car should I buy? This is the level at which you're asking us to help you, so it should be no surprise our answer seems like it's just "Yes." -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] a code question..??
> would the approach be to use an iframe, and some sort of ajax code, to allow > the user to interact with the dialog/code within the iframe. keep in mind, > that the code within the iframe would be running on the remote server... Sorry, I had forgotten the content of the original question. If what you want is a login dialog, then it would probably be easiest to make your own login form, then use CURL (or HttpClient (http://scripts.incutio.com/httpclient/index.php), which doesn't require anything external) like the other posters suggested when the form is submitted, to pretend to be a person filling out app B's login dialog. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] a code question..??
would the approach be to use an iframe, and some sort of ajax code, to allow the user to interact with the dialog/code within the iframe. keep in mind, that the code within the iframe would be running on the remote server... -bruce -Original Message- From: comex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:57 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] a code question..?? > the app B server would then return a result, based on the user input... i'm > trying to figure out how to essentially allocate a section of the page, to a > remote application. after i've finished with the remote stuff, the user > could go ahead and select other items/buttons on the page that are in the > current environment You could just use an iframe... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] a code question..??
> the app B server would then return a result, based on the user input... i'm > trying to figure out how to essentially allocate a section of the page, to a > remote application. after i've finished with the remote stuff, the user > could go ahead and select other items/buttons on the page that are in the > current environment You could just use an iframe... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] a code question..??
ok... so can i do something like... +---+ | | | user| | 'sub_btn'| | | | | | | | | | blah | | blah | | blah | | | | | | | +---+ in this example, the user/sub_btn is generated from the app B server/system. the user would then fill in the 'user' and hit the 'sub_btn', causing the information to be sent back to the app B server. the app B server would then return a result, based on the user input... i'm trying to figure out how to essentially allocate a section of the page, to a remote application. after i've finished with the remote stuff, the user could go ahead and select other items/buttons on the page that are in the current environment +---+ | | | +-+ | | | remote| | | | app | | | |area | | | +-+ | | | | | | local app space | | | | blah | | blah | | blah | | | | | | | +---+ i'm not sure what's the best approach to this... thanks bruce -Original Message- From: comex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:28 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] a code question..?? > in your example, wouldn't app A, essentially download the code from app B, > and run the source on app A? or would the code be run on app B, with the > resulting html/content/page being transferred to app A? If the PHP file has a .php extension, it will be run on the webserver like any PHP page. If it is .txt or you set Apache directives, etc., it will be transferred to the client app. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] a code question..??
> in your example, wouldn't app A, essentially download the code from app B, > and run the source on app A? or would the code be run on app B, with the > resulting html/content/page being transferred to app A? If the PHP file has a .php extension, it will be run on the webserver like any PHP page. If it is .txt or you set Apache directives, etc., it will be transferred to the client app. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] a code question..??
richard... in your example, wouldn't app A, essentially download the code from app B, and run the source on app A? or would the code be run on app B, with the resulting html/content/page being transferred to app A? would this be better if it were perhaps done as a soap client/server process... of course, the fact that the user's php would have to have the soap extensions installed would be an issue... -bruce -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Ben'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] a code question..?? On Thu, November 10, 2005 4:30 pm, bruce wrote: > as i understand curl functions (and correct me if i'm wrong). the > functions > simply allow the user/app to download/copy the file from the remote > server, > where the existing app could do whatever with the content... > > this isn't what i want.. i'm trying to figure out if there's a way to > run a > chunk of code on a remote server... i'd rather not put the source on > the > intial client-app A machine... The trick, then, is for app B to make its SOURCE CODE available for curl on server A to snatch. http://b.example.com/source_code.php?filename=login.php On server A: http://b.example.com/source_code.php?filename=login.php";; ?> Or you could use curl to get the code and eval it, or you could use file_get_contents and eval it, or you could get the code, save it to a temp file, and then include the temp file, or you could... It's not that it can't be done. It's that there are so many ways to do it, we don't know where to start. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] a code question..??
On Thu, November 10, 2005 4:30 pm, bruce wrote: > as i understand curl functions (and correct me if i'm wrong). the > functions > simply allow the user/app to download/copy the file from the remote > server, > where the existing app could do whatever with the content... > > this isn't what i want.. i'm trying to figure out if there's a way to > run a > chunk of code on a remote server... i'd rather not put the source on > the > intial client-app A machine... The trick, then, is for app B to make its SOURCE CODE available for curl on server A to snatch. http://b.example.com/source_code.php?filename=login.php On server A: http://b.example.com/source_code.php?filename=login.php";; ?> Or you could use curl to get the code and eval it, or you could use file_get_contents and eval it, or you could get the code, save it to a temp file, and then include the temp file, or you could... It's not that it can't be done. It's that there are so many ways to do it, we don't know where to start. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] a code question..??
bruce said the following on 11/10/2005 02:30 PM: as i understand curl functions (and correct me if i'm wrong). the functions simply allow the user/app to download/copy the file from the remote server, where the existing app could do whatever with the content... It depends... You could get the php source (which is what Richard was suggesting when he pointed out that the s wasn't a typo) or you could simply get the output of a php script (ie html or whatever it outputs) by requesting a php page from the remote server. Any time you request a php file you are 'running it on a remote server'. Request the file with curl and voila, you're done. - Ben -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] a code question..??
as i understand curl functions (and correct me if i'm wrong). the functions simply allow the user/app to download/copy the file from the remote server, where the existing app could do whatever with the content... this isn't what i want.. i'm trying to figure out if there's a way to run a chunk of code on a remote server... i'd rather not put the source on the intial client-app A machine... -bruce -Original Message- From: Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:59 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] a code question..?? bruce said the following on 11/10/2005 01:44 PM: > as you can see, there are interactions that occur betwwen app A and app B. > but i'm not sure if what i'm thinking of can be accomplished... > > the information in the code/forms from app B will change based on the > username... > > thoughts/comments.. As Richard suggested, curl ought to work or what ever web services flavour you prefer. - Ben -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] a code question..??
On Thu, November 10, 2005 3:15 pm, bruce wrote: > the primary issue i'm trying to address is whether it's possible for a > php > app to somehow display on one app, code/forms that essentially resides > on > another server? doens't have to be a login form.. > > in all honesty, i don't see how it can be possible.. > > using curl, would simply download the code from app B to app A which > isn't curl would download the HTML, not the PHP source. You can use: http://example.com/application/B/source.phpsource";;?> to snag the source code from B and execute it on A. That's the closest thing to what I think you may be asking... which I'm not even sure what it is. The 's' at the end of my URL is not a typo. It assumes that you have a file named source.phpsource of MIME type text/plain that dumps out PHP code from Application B. Application A can include and execute this source code. This is not a Good Idea (tm) at all if you don't implicitly trust Application B source code to be completely free of (intentional and unintentional) malicious/dangerous/buggy code. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] a code question..??
bruce said the following on 11/10/2005 01:44 PM: as you can see, there are interactions that occur betwwen app A and app B. but i'm not sure if what i'm thinking of can be accomplished... the information in the code/forms from app B will change based on the username... thoughts/comments.. As Richard suggested, curl ought to work or what ever web services flavour you prefer. - Ben -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] a code question..??
here's the basic logic flow that i'm contemplating...
app A (server A)app B (server B)
-app displays page
-app gets code from app B --->>>code/form section
-app displays rest of
page with code/form from
app B
-user enters name
-app sends name to app B--->>> app B returns new
code/form
-app displays new page, with
new code/form from app B
-user enters new information
in code/form
as you can see, there are interactions that occur betwwen app A and app B.
but i'm not sure if what i'm thinking of can be accomplished...
the information in the code/forms from app B will change based on the
username...
thoughts/comments..
-bruce
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From: Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:24 PM
To: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] a code question..??
bruce said the following on 11/10/2005 01:15 PM:
> the primary issue i'm trying to address is whether it's possible for a php
> app to somehow display on one app, code/forms that essentially resides on
> another server? doens't have to be a login form..
>
> in all honesty, i don't see how it can be possible..
>
> using curl, would simply download the code from app B to app A which isn't
> what i want. i'm looking to keep the code on app B from being
> modified/played with, which is why i'm inclined to think the code/form in
> question needs to be able to be run from app B...
I quick stroll through the archives ought to answer your question. You
have many options. It could be as simple as:
if($login) {
print("http://url.for.app.b\";>\n");
}
It depends what you want to do and how aware you want your two
applications to be of each other, which you haven't really explained.
- Ben
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Re: [PHP] a code question..??
bruce said the following on 11/10/2005 01:15 PM:
the primary issue i'm trying to address is whether it's possible for a php
app to somehow display on one app, code/forms that essentially resides on
another server? doens't have to be a login form..
in all honesty, i don't see how it can be possible..
using curl, would simply download the code from app B to app A which isn't
what i want. i'm looking to keep the code on app B from being
modified/played with, which is why i'm inclined to think the code/form in
question needs to be able to be run from app B...
I quick stroll through the archives ought to answer your question. You
have many options. It could be as simple as:
if($login) {
print("http://url.for.app.b\";>\n");
}
It depends what you want to do and how aware you want your two
applications to be of each other, which you haven't really explained.
- Ben
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RE: [PHP] a code question..??
the primary issue i'm trying to address is whether it's possible for a php app to somehow display on one app, code/forms that essentially resides on another server? doens't have to be a login form.. in all honesty, i don't see how it can be possible.. using curl, would simply download the code from app B to app A which isn't what i want. i'm looking to keep the code on app B from being modified/played with, which is why i'm inclined to think the code/form in question needs to be able to be run from app B... -bruce -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] a code question..?? On Thu, November 10, 2005 2:20 pm, bruce wrote: > i have a situation where i have a client app (A), and another app (B). > i'd > like to be able to have app A have a login dialog. I'd like the login > dialog > to be comming/run from app B. so i envision somehow having code from > app B > within app A, that essentially is bing run If this all lives on the same server, some include files and some flags or some function arguments to do anything different between A and B could do this. If they live on different servers, you could use http://php.net/curl to manage the I/O back and forth, probably. Or, you could use include() with url_file_wrappers (?) turned "on" and have app B output the PHP source for app A to run. There are probably several more options. It's difficult to provide quality answers, because you've abstracted things very nicely, to the point that our advice could easily lead you to do something inherently risky. User authentication being shared between A and B was beaten to death in another thread recently. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] a code question..??
On Thu, November 10, 2005 2:20 pm, bruce wrote: > i have a situation where i have a client app (A), and another app (B). > i'd > like to be able to have app A have a login dialog. I'd like the login > dialog > to be comming/run from app B. so i envision somehow having code from > app B > within app A, that essentially is bing run If this all lives on the same server, some include files and some flags or some function arguments to do anything different between A and B could do this. If they live on different servers, you could use http://php.net/curl to manage the I/O back and forth, probably. Or, you could use include() with url_file_wrappers (?) turned "on" and have app B output the PHP source for app A to run. There are probably several more options. It's difficult to provide quality answers, because you've abstracted things very nicely, to the point that our advice could easily lead you to do something inherently risky. User authentication being shared between A and B was beaten to death in another thread recently. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] a code question..??
hi.. i have a situation where i have a client app (A), and another app (B). i'd like to be able to have app A have a login dialog. I'd like the login dialog to be comming/run from app B. so i envision somehow having code from app B within app A, that essentially is bing run +--+ | login | | function <<<-+ from app B | | | | | | | | | | app A| | | | | |--+ | | ^ | +--+ | | login | | | function >>--+ | code (php) | | | | | | app B| | | |--+ my question is how the heck can i do this... i want the code to run on app B if possible. but the display of the code segment, will be a dialog for user input. so, once the user inputs information in the app A dialog, i need to be able to run the results on app B (which is where the code would reside) and then return the resulting information back to app A... is this even possible?? is there an easier solution...??? thanks -bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
