Re: [PHP] building a control panel in php

2002-03-20 Thread James Arthur

On Wednesday 20 Mar 2002 02:42, Thalis A. Kalfigopoulos wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Miguel Cruz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:49 PM
> > To: Paul ...
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [PHP] building a control panel in php
> >
> > On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Paul ... wrote:
> > > just thinking about making a small control panel for my server so i
> > can do
> > > the web hosting related things from the web... would php be a good
> > language
> > > to do this in and if so why?.. what would be the ups and downs?
> >
> > The fastest way would be to download Webmin from here
> > (http://www.webmin.com/), then change all the comments so it says you
> > wrote it.
> >
> > Seriously, you might want to look into that because a lot of people have
> >
> > already put a lot of work into making something fairly comprehensive.
> >
> > miguel
>
> Yes, but how safe can one feel having all this power-functionality over a
> webpage? (I presume lots of stuff is SETUID;Correct?)

Webmin is modular. You only install the modules you want to control over the 
web. You can also retrict access to port 1 (on which it lives by default) 
in the normal way. I imagine you can set it to do HTTPS connections as well, 
but I've not tried that because I only use it locally.

--jaa

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RE: [PHP] building a control panel in php

2002-03-19 Thread Thalis A. Kalfigopoulos

> -Original Message-
> From: Miguel Cruz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:49 PM
> To: Paul ...
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP] building a control panel in php
> 
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Paul ... wrote:
> > just thinking about making a small control panel for my server so i
> can do
> > the web hosting related things from the web... would php be a good
> language
> > to do this in and if so why?.. what would be the ups and downs?
> 
> The fastest way would be to download Webmin from here
> (http://www.webmin.com/), then change all the comments so it says you
> wrote it.
> 
> Seriously, you might want to look into that because a lot of people have
> 
> already put a lot of work into making something fairly comprehensive.
> 
> miguel

Yes, but how safe can one feel having all this power-functionality over a webpage? (I 
presume lots of stuff is SETUID;Correct?)

--thalis


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RE: [PHP] building a control panel in php

2002-03-19 Thread Demitrious S. Kelly

I agree.  Unless there isn't a product which matches your needs I
personally would consider my time better spent contributing to a project
that has only a short distance left to go rather then starting a new
project which would take months/years before perfection (if there is
such a thing)

Onto my opinions of the technical aspects of creating a control panel in
php... there are two ideas (that I see looming obvious on the
horizon)... Both of these ideas deal with permissions.  To be a truly
effective 'system control panel' it would be necessary to have root
priv's to accomplish tasks... the fact that apache runs as a specific
non-root user (and if it doesn't it d#%!#$^mned well should!) is a
drawback... Webmin circumvents this project by incorporating its own
http/https server which runs on an assigned port (idea 1). Otherwise it
may be possible to use a php front-end-script which modifies a text
file, mysql, or some other form of database, and either a daemon script
running as root or a single pass script running as a cron job... this
process would interpret information in the data file and act accordingly
on the server.  

PHP is a wonderful lang. in my experience, and it's becoming more
advanced by the second.  I don't think the problem would be the lang.
itself but the time invested in learning it and implementing it...

So I guess it boils down to these questions:

1) do you NEED to do it?
2) do you want to do it?
3) are you willing to invest in yourself to get it done?

>From my experience creating these types of things tends to be a
thankless job right up until the end :) stick in there and it's
possible...

-Original Message-
From: Miguel Cruz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:49 PM
To: Paul ...
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] building a control panel in php

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Paul ... wrote:
> just thinking about making a small control panel for my server so i
can do
> the web hosting related things from the web... would php be a good
language
> to do this in and if so why?.. what would be the ups and downs?

The fastest way would be to download Webmin from here
(http://www.webmin.com/), then change all the comments so it says you
wrote it.

Seriously, you might want to look into that because a lot of people have

already put a lot of work into making something fairly comprehensive.

miguel


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Re: [PHP] building a control panel in php

2002-03-19 Thread Miguel Cruz

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Paul ... wrote:
> just thinking about making a small control panel for my server so i can do
> the web hosting related things from the web... would php be a good language
> to do this in and if so why?.. what would be the ups and downs?

The fastest way would be to download Webmin from here
(http://www.webmin.com/), then change all the comments so it says you
wrote it.

Seriously, you might want to look into that because a lot of people have 
already put a lot of work into making something fairly comprehensive.

miguel


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[PHP] building a control panel in php

2002-03-19 Thread Paul ...

Hello all,

just thinking about making a small control panel for my server so i can do
the web hosting related things from the web... would php be a good language
to do this in and if so why?.. what would be the ups and downs?

Paul



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