Re: [PHP] Upgrade or Die?
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:13 AM, ad...@buskirkgraphics.com wrote: The message for Netscape was very clear, the development community refused to write for it they had started a precedence that could not be forgotten. I say communities will not forget this act and remove the browser from their systems rather than be forced into an update for security reasons. Honestly, rarely do any of my customers use FF, and their reasons are justified in their mind, so I do not argue the point. This is another reason for security personnel, to credit their policies in denying FF on their network the same as they did with Netscape. Richard L. Buskirk Senior Software Engineer/Systems Administrator You can’t grow your business with systems that are on life support... -Original Message- From: Richard Quadling [mailto:rquadl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 5:38 PM To: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk Cc: Andy McKenzie; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Upgrade or Die? On 24 June 2011 19:39, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 13:38 -0400, Andy McKenzie wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:30 PM, ja...@nixsecurity.org wrote: Chrome. Enough said. Now, if we can only convince the rest of the world ... Ugh. I can't stand Chrome. Of course, I gave up on Firefox years ago and went back to Opera, so it doesn't bother me when Firefox does something weird like this... -Andy Meh, I'm still using 3.6 on my main computer and 3.5 on my laptop. Using Fx4 at work, and I have to say, I prefer 3.6. Fx4 is slower, prone to crashing and a bit of a memory hog. I really hope Mozilla doesn't go the way of Google and create loads of new versions dropping support for the older ones as it goes, even if the 'older' versions are barely that old at all. That pattern of behaviour sounds exactly like Netscape all those years ago. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Just to throw my two pennies into this - I believe that all browsers should auto-upgrade. The browser has become the most important application on desktops and it is remiss of all parties involved to allow the masses to use exploitable out-dated software. If someone is paranoid about their supposed privacy, afford them the luxury of finding ways to use software that has known defects. I entreat you to consider how much time and pain this would have prevented over the last decade. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Upgrade or Die?
That is indeed frustrating. I upgraded to FF 4 a month ago or so, and it's been nothing but a hassle. Out of frustration, I switched to Chrome, and I haven't looked back. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:16 AM, ad...@buskirkgraphics.com wrote: In shifting gears to a faster pace of development and release, Mozilla has opted to abandon security support for Firefox 4 immediately upon the release of version 5, which came out this week. This could be a risky move, since many users neglect to update their browsers immediately for various reasons, despite the pop-up reminders Firefox periodically displays. I will never understand this mindset. Full story : http://www.technewsworld.com/edpick/72739.html Richard L. Buskirk -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (rich...@underpope.com) http://www.underpope.com Publisher and Editor in Chief, Daikaijuzine (http://www.daikaijuzine.com)
Re: [PHP] Upgrade or Die?
Chrome. Enough said. Now, if we can only convince the rest of the world ... Original Message From: ad...@buskirkgraphics.com To: php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 1:17 PM Subject: [PHP] Upgrade or Die? In shifting gears to a faster pace of development and release, Mozilla has opted to abandon security support for Firefox 4 immediately upon the release of version 5, which came out this week. This could be a risky move, since many users neglect to update their browsers immediately for various reasons, despite the pop-up reminders Firefox periodically displays. I will never understand this mindset. Full story : http://www.technewsworld.com/edpick/72739.html Richard L. Buskirk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Upgrade or Die?
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:30 PM, ja...@nixsecurity.org wrote: Chrome. Enough said. Now, if we can only convince the rest of the world ... Ugh. I can't stand Chrome. Of course, I gave up on Firefox years ago and went back to Opera, so it doesn't bother me when Firefox does something weird like this... -Andy -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Upgrade or Die?
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 13:38 -0400, Andy McKenzie wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:30 PM, ja...@nixsecurity.org wrote: Chrome. Enough said. Now, if we can only convince the rest of the world ... Ugh. I can't stand Chrome. Of course, I gave up on Firefox years ago and went back to Opera, so it doesn't bother me when Firefox does something weird like this... -Andy Meh, I'm still using 3.6 on my main computer and 3.5 on my laptop. Using Fx4 at work, and I have to say, I prefer 3.6. Fx4 is slower, prone to crashing and a bit of a memory hog. I really hope Mozilla doesn't go the way of Google and create loads of new versions dropping support for the older ones as it goes, even if the 'older' versions are barely that old at all. -- Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Upgrade or Die?
On 11-06-24 01:16 PM, ad...@buskirkgraphics.com wrote: In shifting gears to a faster pace of development and release, Mozilla has opted to abandon security support for Firefox 4 immediately upon the release of version 5, which came out this week. This could be a risky move, since many users neglect to update their browsers immediately for various reasons, despite the pop-up reminders Firefox periodically displays. I will never understand this mindset. Full story : http://www.technewsworld.com/edpick/72739.html I downloaded version 497.3 from the future, it's great, it deletes itself before finishing the install because it knows there's a new more advanced version already out. Cheers, Rob. -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is intended solely for the addressee(s). Disclosure, copying, and distribution are prohibited unless authorized. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Upgrade or Die?
On 24 June 2011 19:39, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 13:38 -0400, Andy McKenzie wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:30 PM, ja...@nixsecurity.org wrote: Chrome. Enough said. Now, if we can only convince the rest of the world ... Ugh. I can't stand Chrome. Of course, I gave up on Firefox years ago and went back to Opera, so it doesn't bother me when Firefox does something weird like this... -Andy Meh, I'm still using 3.6 on my main computer and 3.5 on my laptop. Using Fx4 at work, and I have to say, I prefer 3.6. Fx4 is slower, prone to crashing and a bit of a memory hog. I really hope Mozilla doesn't go the way of Google and create loads of new versions dropping support for the older ones as it goes, even if the 'older' versions are barely that old at all. That pattern of behaviour sounds exactly like Netscape all those years ago. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Upgrade or Die?
Dear James, In case you love Chrome that much, be sure you not using its `remember password` feature or any one else share using your PC/laptop will see it super-easily! Nam On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:30 AM, ja...@nixsecurity.org wrote: Chrome. Enough said. Now, if we can only convince the rest of the world ... Original Message From: ad...@buskirkgraphics.com To: php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 1:17 PM Subject: [PHP] Upgrade or Die? In shifting gears to a faster pace of development and release, Mozilla has opted to abandon security support for Firefox 4 immediately upon the release of version 5, which came out this week. This could be a risky move, since many users neglect to update their browsers immediately for various reasons, despite the pop-up reminders Firefox periodically displays. I will never understand this mindset. Full story : http://www.technewsworld.com/edpick/72739.html Richard L. Buskirk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Upgrade or Die?
The message for Netscape was very clear, the development community refused to write for it they had started a precedence that could not be forgotten. I say communities will not forget this act and remove the browser from their systems rather than be forced into an update for security reasons. Honestly, rarely do any of my customers use FF, and their reasons are justified in their mind, so I do not argue the point. This is another reason for security personnel, to credit their policies in denying FF on their network the same as they did with Netscape. Richard L. Buskirk Senior Software Engineer/Systems Administrator You can’t grow your business with systems that are on life support... -Original Message- From: Richard Quadling [mailto:rquadl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 5:38 PM To: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk Cc: Andy McKenzie; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Upgrade or Die? On 24 June 2011 19:39, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 13:38 -0400, Andy McKenzie wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:30 PM, ja...@nixsecurity.org wrote: Chrome. Enough said. Now, if we can only convince the rest of the world ... Ugh. I can't stand Chrome. Of course, I gave up on Firefox years ago and went back to Opera, so it doesn't bother me when Firefox does something weird like this... -Andy Meh, I'm still using 3.6 on my main computer and 3.5 on my laptop. Using Fx4 at work, and I have to say, I prefer 3.6. Fx4 is slower, prone to crashing and a bit of a memory hog. I really hope Mozilla doesn't go the way of Google and create loads of new versions dropping support for the older ones as it goes, even if the 'older' versions are barely that old at all. That pattern of behaviour sounds exactly like Netscape all those years ago. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
