Re: [PHP] Articles system OT
At 1:48 PM -0700 5/8/07, Micky Hulse wrote: How much content should go on each site page? Like Goldilocks and the three bears, the answer is not too much, and not too little: just the right amount of content. As an English Professor once told me about writing a good essay, he said: It's like a woman's skirt -- short enough to arouse interest, but long enough to cover the subject. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Articles system OT
That's the first time I've ever heard that one! I can say, though, I'll get some use out of it. Brilliant that really made my evening. On 5/11/07, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1:48 PM -0700 5/8/07, Micky Hulse wrote: How much content should go on each site page? Like Goldilocks and the three bears, the answer is not too much, and not too little: just the right amount of content. As an English Professor once told me about writing a good essay, he said: It's like a woman's skirt -- short enough to arouse interest, but long enough to cover the subject. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107
Re: [PHP] Articles system
Richard Lynch wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2007 2:50 pm, Stut wrote: WeberSites LTD wrote: 1st, I never said I was any authority about anything :) I'm just building the weber sites as a hobby... Hobby or not, when you publish information on the web without a big message saying I have no frickin' idea what I'm talking about, you are presenting yourself as an authority on the subject. And when you answer questions on a mailing list with links to your site you are re-enforcing that point. Just to play Devil's Advocate... Are you suggesting that every site on the 'net, or even just those which LOOK like worthy material, without such a disclaimer, IS authoritative?... :-) People are stupid, and they believe what they want to believe. If they're looking for an answer, they'll take any answer that comes along, usually without any concern about the source. So no, I'm not saything that every site on the 'net IS authoritative, I'm saying that anyone publishing information in any medium needs to understand that people will assume they know what they're talking about. Taking this a step further, or dragging it out into an open discussion: I'm not a real huge fan of the folks on this list who post almost as often as I with links to their own ad-revenue sites, but they are at least (usually) on-topic and with valid information available to the reader. It might be better if they sprinkled in links to php.net or even (gasp!) a competitor's site sometimes, but it's not like total spamming, eh? There are even times where I know that there is specific content on such a site, and I'll recommend it. SO where do you draw the line? Seems to me we have to be reasonable about that. And we also have to expect the Reader to at least have half a clue and do some basic research about the source[s] of their info, and their vested interests, and choose for themselves what info to pursue... Though based on experience with some posts, that may be expecting more than will actually happen. Aim high. :-) I agree that the reader should realise that not everything they read will be accurate, but readers tend to be people and are therefore generally stupid. Anyone who disagrees with that either lives in a box or demonstrates the point. Where do I draw the line? I draw the line at mis-information. However, I could have phrased my comment slightly better, and for that I apologise. -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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hi rich(ard)!! kind of an off point/topic reply. but here goes. the issue you mention is in my opinion a part of a much larger issue that has to do with the anonymous nature of the internet with regards mailing lists, as well as the kinds of product review sites/blogs/etc... there is no 'good' way for the average user/reader to know if what someone says is really valid!!! if you, (or anyone else) created a kind of ranking/rating process so that when a given person posts something, you could quickly check that user's credentials, then you'd make yourself a nice chunk of change... -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:35 PM To: Stut Cc: WeberSites LTD; 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, May 8, 2007 2:50 pm, Stut wrote: WeberSites LTD wrote: 1st, I never said I was any authority about anything :) I'm just building the weber sites as a hobby... Hobby or not, when you publish information on the web without a big message saying I have no frickin' idea what I'm talking about, you are presenting yourself as an authority on the subject. And when you answer questions on a mailing list with links to your site you are re-enforcing that point. Just to play Devil's Advocate... Are you suggesting that every site on the 'net, or even just those which LOOK like worthy material, without such a disclaimer, IS authoritative?... :-) Taking this a step further, or dragging it out into an open discussion: I'm not a real huge fan of the folks on this list who post almost as often as I with links to their own ad-revenue sites, but they are at least (usually) on-topic and with valid information available to the reader. It might be better if they sprinkled in links to php.net or even (gasp!) a competitor's site sometimes, but it's not like total spamming, eh? There are even times where I know that there is specific content on such a site, and I'll recommend it. SO where do you draw the line? Seems to me we have to be reasonable about that. And we also have to expect the Reader to at least have half a clue and do some basic research about the source[s] of their info, and their vested interests, and choose for themselves what info to pursue... Though based on experience with some posts, that may be expecting more than will actually happen. Aim high. :-) -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Articles system
WeberSites LTD wrote: Wasn't sure if to use the CMS thread or not so I opened a new one. I'm guess I'm looking for a CMS system but I only need it for articles. Preferably one that knows how to break the article into several pages so that you don't need to see one big scroll. Any recommendations? bitweaver www.bitweaver.org And just install articles If you find later you need another package you can simply add it, but you only need the core user stuff, and the package(s) you want to use. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird Foundation Inc. - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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WeberSites LTD wrote: Wasn't sure if to use the CMS thread or not so I opened a new one. I'm guess I'm looking for a CMS system but I only need it for articles. Preferably one that knows how to break the article into several pages so that you don't need to see one big scroll. Any recommendations? bitweaver www.bitweaver.org And just install articles If you find later you need another package you can simply add it, but you only need the core user stuff, and the package(s) you want to use. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird Foundation Inc. - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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WeberSites LTD wrote: Wasn't sure if to use the CMS thread or not so I opened a new one. I'm guess I'm looking for a CMS system but I only need it for articles. Preferably one that knows how to break the article into several pages so that you don't need to see one big scroll. Any recommendations? bitweaver www.bitweaver.org And just install articles If you find later you need another package you can simply add it, but you only need the core user stuff, and the package(s) you want to use. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird Foundation Inc. - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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WeberSites LTD wrote: Wasn't sure if to use the CMS thread or not so I opened a new one. I'm guess I'm looking for a CMS system but I only need it for articles. Preferably one that knows how to break the article into several pages so that you don't need to see one big scroll. Any recommendations? bitweaver www.bitweaver.org And just install articles If you find later you need another package you can simply add it, but you only need the core user stuff, and the package(s) you want to use. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird Foundation Inc. - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Lester Caine wrote: WeberSites LTD wrote: Wasn't sure if to use the CMS thread or not so I opened a new one. I'm guess I'm looking for a CMS system but I only need it for articles. Preferably one that knows how to break the article into several pages so that you don't need to see one big scroll. Any recommendations? bitweaver www.bitweaver.org And just install articles If you find later you need another package you can simply add it, but you only need the core user stuff, and the package(s) you want to use. Hey Lester, kick your damn mail server! -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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WeberSites LTD wrote: Wasn't sure if to use the CMS thread or not so I opened a new one. I'm guess I'm looking for a CMS system but I only need it for articles. Preferably one that knows how to break the article into several pages so that you don't need to see one big scroll. Any recommendations? bitweaver www.bitweaver.org And just install articles If you find later you need another package you can simply add it, but you only need the core user stuff, and the package(s) you want to use. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird Foundation Inc. - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 17:21 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: WeberSites LTD wrote: Wasn't sure if to use the CMS thread or not so I opened a new one. I'm guess I'm looking for a CMS system but I only need it for articles. Preferably one that knows how to break the article into several pages so that you don't need to see one big scroll. I'll take one big scroll any day over 10 pages of ad infestation. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Stut wrote: If you find later you need another package you can simply add it, but you only need the core user stuff, and the package(s) you want to use. Hey Lester, kick your damn mail server! Haven't got a big enough boot to get at pigging BT :( Currently it's saying SMTP is down - but it had still sent the message . -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird Foundation Inc. - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, May 8, 2007 12:17 pm, Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 17:21 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: WeberSites LTD wrote: Wasn't sure if to use the CMS thread or not so I opened a new one. I'm guess I'm looking for a CMS system but I only need it for articles. Preferably one that knows how to break the article into several pages so that you don't need to see one big scroll. I'll take one big scroll any day over 10 pages of ad infestation. +1 I don't really understand how breaking it up is good unless we're talking about a series broken up by an author or editor for good valid semantic reasons... -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ Do more people prefer all of the info on one page? thanks berber -Original Message- From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:18 PM To: Lester Caine Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 17:21 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: WeberSites LTD wrote: Wasn't sure if to use the CMS thread or not so I opened a new one. I'm guess I'm looking for a CMS system but I only need it for articles. Preferably one that knows how to break the article into several pages so that you don't need to see one big scroll. I'll take one big scroll any day over 10 pages of ad infestation. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | a | powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | such as | forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Notice my last mail where I give the example of how devarticles.com break the articles into several pages : http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ berber -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:07 PM To: Robert Cummings Cc: Lester Caine; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, May 8, 2007 12:17 pm, Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 17:21 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: WeberSites LTD wrote: Wasn't sure if to use the CMS thread or not so I opened a new one. I'm guess I'm looking for a CMS system but I only need it for articles. Preferably one that knows how to break the article into several pages so that you don't need to see one big scroll. I'll take one big scroll any day over 10 pages of ad infestation. +1 I don't really understand how breaking it up is good unless we're talking about a series broken up by an author or editor for good valid semantic reasons... -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On May 8, 2007, at 2:13 PM, WeberSites LTD wrote: Do more people prefer all of the info on one page? For me, unless it's like a Chapters in a book setup, I'd prefer the info all on one page (Especially tutorials so I can scroll back and refer to other stuff) Just my 2ยข -- Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Production Technology Manager MQC Specialist (2005 certified) 3251 132nd Ave Holland MI 49424 616.399.2355 www.raoset.com America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. -Abraham Lincoln smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
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Stut wrote: Hey Lester, kick your damn mail server! Sorry about that British Telecom crap again :( Usually when it's busy it just says no service, and you try again later. This time it decided to give the no service message but send a copy of the message anyway. SO each time I tried to send it ... Yep I know I need another ISP, but until BT admit that they cause even more damage to other ISP's services that go through them there is little point in changing :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird Foundation Inc. - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 Interesting example - I presume there should be text on the page, but all I see is a blue page ;) To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ That one goes TOO far breaking things down - that is separate articles. Do more people prefer all of the info on one page? The happy medium is to download the article, but be able to select via tabs or something similar which page you are on, so you can go back without having to scroll up and down when checking things out. ( One of the options bitweaver provides :) ) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird Foundation Inc. - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, May 8, 2007 1:13 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 Completely un-usable on Firefox 1.5.0.5 with current Gentoo Linux. I've got a full-width blue screen of death, and then a 1-inch (?) column of text (unreaedable) off screen to the right. I *would* like this better, if the layout actually worked. To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ There's an article on that page? Where? :-) Honestly, I can almost always find the same content on a site with much lower ad density, and will always choose a cleaner simple site over something that cluttered/messy. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 20:13 +0200, WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ Do more people prefer all of the info on one page? One big page. I can at a glance scan the entire document and all emphasized headings to get at what I want. The page loads all of the noise once and so skipping ads between sections in a single page is quite quick. I don't feel like I'm being conned into viewing ads. When I see an ad that bores me it's a split second to jump past it whereas using a link requires pointing my mouse at the link instead of scrolling my scrollwheel. Additionally, I have to wait for the page to load, all the garbage around the page to load, and depending on how the page was made, the page to settle down into a stable visual display. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, May 8, 2007 1:14 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: Notice my last mail where I give the example of how devarticles.com break the articles into several pages : http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ I should have said author/editory unconstrained by artificial constraints imposed by ad-greedy webmaster Because I find it hard to believe that any author would have voluntarily chosen to break it up like that. Sorry for the confusion. Think of it this way: Content is king. When your advertising out-weighs your content, you lose visitors. When you lose visitors, you lose revenue. PS Yes, I also hate the entertainment media formerly known as news. Any questions? -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I'm shocked :) Had no idea the page was not usable on FF. Will get on it ASAP. -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:45 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, May 8, 2007 1:13 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 Completely un-usable on Firefox 1.5.0.5 with current Gentoo Linux. I've got a full-width blue screen of death, and then a 1-inch (?) column of text (unreaedable) off screen to the right. I *would* like this better, if the layout actually worked. To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ There's an article on that page? Where? :-) Honestly, I can almost always find the same content on a site with much lower ad density, and will always choose a cleaner simple site over something that cluttered/messy. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Not sure why it's not working with FF. the page passes validation at validator.w3.org. -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:45 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, May 8, 2007 1:13 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 Completely un-usable on Firefox 1.5.0.5 with current Gentoo Linux. I've got a full-width blue screen of death, and then a 1-inch (?) column of text (unreaedable) off screen to the right. I *would* like this better, if the layout actually worked. To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ There's an article on that page? Where? :-) Honestly, I can almost always find the same content on a site with much lower ad density, and will always choose a cleaner simple site over something that cluttered/messy. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 21:28 +0200, WeberSites LTD wrote: Not sure why it's not working with FF. the page passes validation at validator.w3.org. Are you using CSS instead of tables? *teehee* sorry couldn't resist for all the CSS purists reading this :) Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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WeberSites LTD wrote: Not sure why it's not working with FF. the page passes validation at validator.w3.org. Validation has never and will never mean it looks right. And it worries me that someone presenting themselves as an authority on web development would think so. -Stut -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:45 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, May 8, 2007 1:13 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 Completely un-usable on Firefox 1.5.0.5 with current Gentoo Linux. I've got a full-width blue screen of death, and then a 1-inch (?) column of text (unreaedable) off screen to the right. I *would* like this better, if the layout actually worked. To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ There's an article on that page? Where? :-) Honestly, I can almost always find the same content on a site with much lower ad density, and will always choose a cleaner simple site over something that cluttered/messy. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Actually I'm using tables. I have no idea what was the problem but I added a nbsp; somewhere and it looks ok now. FF bug? I mean, the page passed w3 validation and didn't show on FF while at the same time was ok on IE. -Original Message- From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:33 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 21:28 +0200, WeberSites LTD wrote: Not sure why it's not working with FF. the page passes validation at validator.w3.org. Are you using CSS instead of tables? *teehee* sorry couldn't resist for all the CSS purists reading this :) Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | a | powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | such as | forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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1st, I never said I was any authority about anything :) I'm just building the weber sites as a hobby... 2nd, I beg to disagree. Validation has allot to do with how pages look. In many cases, if you have differences between browsers, or if things don't look like you expect, validating the page solves the problem. I think we are a bit OT here :) I was looking to replace my article system and it looks like many people prefer to see the one that I have now. I'll look at the feedback people post here and decide what to do. Thanks to everyone on the input. berber -Original Message- From: Stut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:34 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Articles system WeberSites LTD wrote: Not sure why it's not working with FF. the page passes validation at validator.w3.org. Validation has never and will never mean it looks right. And it worries me that someone presenting themselves as an authority on web development would think so. -Stut -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:45 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, May 8, 2007 1:13 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 Completely un-usable on Firefox 1.5.0.5 with current Gentoo Linux. I've got a full-width blue screen of death, and then a 1-inch (?) column of text (unreaedable) off screen to the right. I *would* like this better, if the layout actually worked. To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ There's an article on that page? Where? :-) Honestly, I can almost always find the same content on a site with much lower ad density, and will always choose a cleaner simple site over something that cluttered/messy. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 21:37 +0200, WeberSites LTD wrote: Actually I'm using tables. DOH! Should have looked before slamming :) I have no idea what was the problem but I added a nbsp; somewhere and it looks ok now. FF bug? I mean, the page passed w3 validation and didn't show on FF while at the same time was ok on IE. Like Stut said, validation only ensures you're using proper markup, not that it will render in any given way. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 21:42 +0200, WeberSites LTD wrote: 1st, I never said I was any authority about anything :) I'm just building the weber sites as a hobby... 2nd, I beg to disagree. Validation has allot to do with how pages look. In many cases, if you have differences between browsers, or if things don't look like you expect, validating the page solves the problem. Nope, (X)HTML validation is about structure and semantics. It cares not for whether your page is being rendered in FF, Opera, IE, Lynx, etc. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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WeberSites LTD wrote: 1st, I never said I was any authority about anything :) I'm just building the weber sites as a hobby... Hobby or not, when you publish information on the web without a big message saying I have no frickin' idea what I'm talking about, you are presenting yourself as an authority on the subject. And when you answer questions on a mailing list with links to your site you are re-enforcing that point. 2nd, I beg to disagree. Validation has allot to do with how pages look. In many cases, if you have differences between browsers, or if things don't look like you expect, validating the page solves the problem. That's as may be, but it doesn't mean validation guarantees it'll render correctly, or even as you expect. -Stut I think we are a bit OT here :) I was looking to replace my article system and it looks like many people prefer to see the one that I have now. I'll look at the feedback people post here and decide what to do. Thanks to everyone on the input. berber -Original Message- From: Stut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:34 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Articles system WeberSites LTD wrote: Not sure why it's not working with FF. the page passes validation at validator.w3.org. Validation has never and will never mean it looks right. And it worries me that someone presenting themselves as an authority on web development would think so. -Stut -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:45 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, May 8, 2007 1:13 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 Completely un-usable on Firefox 1.5.0.5 with current Gentoo Linux. I've got a full-width blue screen of death, and then a 1-inch (?) column of text (unreaedable) off screen to the right. I *would* like this better, if the layout actually worked. To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ There's an article on that page? Where? :-) Honestly, I can almost always find the same content on a site with much lower ad density, and will always choose a cleaner simple site over something that cluttered/messy. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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structure and semantics influence how the page looks. One browser may overlook a missing /TABLE and show the page and another may not. validating will show where you may have gone wrong. Writing good HTML is good practice :) berber -Original Message- From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:44 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: 'Stut'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 21:42 +0200, WeberSites LTD wrote: 1st, I never said I was any authority about anything :) I'm just building the weber sites as a hobby... 2nd, I beg to disagree. Validation has allot to do with how pages look. In many cases, if you have differences between browsers, or if things don't look like you expect, validating the page solves the problem. Nope, (X)HTML validation is about structure and semantics. It cares not for whether your page is being rendered in FF, Opera, IE, Lynx, etc. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | a | powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | such as | forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I get your point. Most of the content on the site is UGC. I didn't write it, I just send a link to it if I think it can help. 99% of the people on this list don't know that the site is mine. So what about a good article system? :) berber -Original Message- From: Stut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:51 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Articles system WeberSites LTD wrote: 1st, I never said I was any authority about anything :) I'm just building the weber sites as a hobby... Hobby or not, when you publish information on the web without a big message saying I have no frickin' idea what I'm talking about, you are presenting yourself as an authority on the subject. And when you answer questions on a mailing list with links to your site you are re-enforcing that point. 2nd, I beg to disagree. Validation has allot to do with how pages look. In many cases, if you have differences between browsers, or if things don't look like you expect, validating the page solves the problem. That's as may be, but it doesn't mean validation guarantees it'll render correctly, or even as you expect. -Stut I think we are a bit OT here :) I was looking to replace my article system and it looks like many people prefer to see the one that I have now. I'll look at the feedback people post here and decide what to do. Thanks to everyone on the input. berber -Original Message- From: Stut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:34 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Articles system WeberSites LTD wrote: Not sure why it's not working with FF. the page passes validation at validator.w3.org. Validation has never and will never mean it looks right. And it worries me that someone presenting themselves as an authority on web development would think so. -Stut -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:45 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, May 8, 2007 1:13 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 Completely un-usable on Firefox 1.5.0.5 with current Gentoo Linux. I've got a full-width blue screen of death, and then a 1-inch (?) column of text (unreaedable) off screen to the right. I *would* like this better, if the layout actually worked. To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ There's an article on that page? Where? :-) Honestly, I can almost always find the same content on a site with much lower ad density, and will always choose a cleaner simple site over something that cluttered/messy. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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WeberSites LTD wrote: I get your point. Most of the content on the site is UGC. I didn't write it, I just send a link to it if I think it can help. 99% of the people on this list don't know that the site is mine. So what about a good article system? :) Personally I use wordpress on my blog and a custom set of scripts for my other sites. When you say a good article system it's like asking what's the best fish? What exactly do you want it to do? The best place to start is http://opensourcecms.com/ and try a few out. When you've found a couple that look like they meet most of your requirements, install them and evaluate them properly. That's how I came to the conclusion that custom solutions tend to work best for the kind of sites I develop. YMMV. -Stut -Original Message- From: Stut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:51 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Articles system WeberSites LTD wrote: 1st, I never said I was any authority about anything :) I'm just building the weber sites as a hobby... Hobby or not, when you publish information on the web without a big message saying I have no frickin' idea what I'm talking about, you are presenting yourself as an authority on the subject. And when you answer questions on a mailing list with links to your site you are re-enforcing that point. 2nd, I beg to disagree. Validation has allot to do with how pages look. In many cases, if you have differences between browsers, or if things don't look like you expect, validating the page solves the problem. That's as may be, but it doesn't mean validation guarantees it'll render correctly, or even as you expect. -Stut I think we are a bit OT here :) I was looking to replace my article system and it looks like many people prefer to see the one that I have now. I'll look at the feedback people post here and decide what to do. Thanks to everyone on the input. berber -Original Message- From: Stut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:34 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Articles system WeberSites LTD wrote: Not sure why it's not working with FF. the page passes validation at validator.w3.org. Validation has never and will never mean it looks right. And it worries me that someone presenting themselves as an authority on web development would think so. -Stut -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:45 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, May 8, 2007 1:13 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 Completely un-usable on Firefox 1.5.0.5 with current Gentoo Linux. I've got a full-width blue screen of death, and then a 1-inch (?) column of text (unreaedable) off screen to the right. I *would* like this better, if the layout actually worked. To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ There's an article on that page? Where? :-) Honestly, I can almost always find the same content on a site with much lower ad density, and will always choose a cleaner simple site over something that cluttered/messy. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Robert Cummings wrote: I'll take one big scroll any day over 10 pages of ad infestation. At my part-time job (web content editor at newspaper) we give folks the option of viewing the multi-page ad infested article as a print preview which is the same article, but on one page and print ready. But I agree with you... I hate having to click-through. But, I do see the need for such things. Hmm, bitweaver sounds interesting though. Have a great day all! Cheers, Micky -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/1gqpj Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Richard Lynch wrote: I don't really understand how breaking it up is good unless we're talking about a series broken up by an author or editor for good valid semantic reasons... off-topic Some good info from book Google Advertising Tools: Page Size: How much content should go on each site page? Like Goldilocks and the three bears, the answer is not too much, and not too little: just the right amount of content. It's in the interest of the site publisher to keep pages short, because the same amount of content spread over shorter pages makes for more pages. And more pages on a site means more places for advertising, which in theory might mean more revenue. Sidebar: In addition, more pages may mean more page views, implying better metrics to advertisers who don't look too carefully. However, if you break an article up into many short pages that a user has to click through, users will find it irritating and vote with their time by frequenting the site less often. The happy medium is to be natural about page lenght. The natural length for a content page is the content that will reasonable fit into a maximized browser window without having to scroll. Sidebar: Obviously, this is a rough, rather than precise, guideline since different browsers on different systems will show different size pages. Don't gratuitiously break an article into multiple pages unless the article really is longer than a few browser-sized pages. Also, don't break an article (even if it is long) unlsess there are natural breaks in the content. Anytime there is a new Level 1 header in an article, it's a good sign that you could break to a new content page without the break feeling forced. -- Page 16-17, Chapter 1 Ideally, pages should be between 100 and 250 words. If it is shorter than 100 words, Google and other search engines will tend to discount the page as lightweight. In addition, you want to include as many keywords as you can without throwing the contetn off-kilter. With less than 100 words, any significant inclusion of keywords is going to look like keyword stuffing--a verboten practice. -- Page 70, Chapter 3 /off-topic :D -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/1gqpj Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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You seem to have fixed it, at least for FF 1.5.0.5 on Gentoo. Though there are 16 warnings according to the HTML Validator plug-in. Some of them are pretty BS (imho) about width attribute for TD tag, which, basically, every browser supports just fine, and is not going away any time soon, afaict. Not to mention that a page just won't look right if you can't dictate column width, so it's kinda important to keep that bit there. 'Course, your CSS can can still come along and totally screw up your tables, even the ones you SHOULD have for tabular data. I'm dealing with that issue today on an admin page that we weren't gonna bother styling, until we found out just how screwy the CSS made it... Sigh. But, really, an unescaped in the page is almost always fixable. And stray text inside the TR tag is almost always a programming error, though I can't actually see what it's complaining about in my brief look-through. PS Yes, the long-scrolling article with ads like you have is WAY better than that icky other one. On Tue, May 8, 2007 2:28 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: Not sure why it's not working with FF. the page passes validation at validator.w3.org. -Original Message- From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:45 PM To: WeberSites LTD Cc: 'Robert Cummings'; 'Lester Caine'; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Articles system On Tue, May 8, 2007 1:13 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: This is interesting. I wonder if more people feel the same. Compare the articles on weberdev.com (my site) : Example : http://www.weberdev.com/ViewArticle/486 Completely un-usable on Firefox 1.5.0.5 with current Gentoo Linux. I've got a full-width blue screen of death, and then a 1-inch (?) column of text (unreaedable) off screen to the right. I *would* like this better, if the layout actually worked. To the articles on devarticles.com for example. http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Java/Getting-Started-with-Java-2D/ There's an article on that page? Where? :-) Honestly, I can almost always find the same content on a site with much lower ad density, and will always choose a cleaner simple site over something that cluttered/messy. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, May 8, 2007 2:33 pm, Stut wrote: WeberSites LTD wrote: Not sure why it's not working with FF. the page passes validation at validator.w3.org. Validation has never and will never mean it looks right. And it worries me that someone presenting themselves as an authority on web development would think so. The following is an unsolicited plug from an unbiased third party for a commercial online product (though with free trials that you can abuse indefintely by making up new emails). http://browsercam.com Synopsis: You send the URL, and you pick the OS/browser combos you want to test, and they make screen shots for you of what it looks like. A very usable variety of OS and browser combinations is provided. You can tweak how long it waits for slow page to render. You can choose if Flash is installed or not. I'm not promising it suits every user, or will catch every rendering bug, but it sure makes it easy to test a heck of a lot more OS/browser combos than I'd want to try to install, even with VMWare or whatever. YMMV -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, May 8, 2007 3:48 pm, Micky Hulse wrote: Richard Lynch wrote: Page Size: How much content should go on each site page? Like Goldilocks and the three bears, the answer is not too much, and not too little: just the right amount of content. Or as Sr. Andre, OSC at St. Patrick's Grade School told us, and rather stunned us, when we asked how long our papers should be: It should be as long as a woman's skirt; Long enough to cover everything important, and short enough to be interesting. I don't think I'll ever forget that advice, coming from a nun... :-) [Note that I don't promise to not never *follow* the advice... :-)] -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Richard Lynch wrote: It should be as long as a woman's skirt; Long enough to cover everything important, and short enough to be interesting. Hehehe! Great quote! :D -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/1gqpj Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, May 8, 2007 2:50 pm, Stut wrote: WeberSites LTD wrote: 1st, I never said I was any authority about anything :) I'm just building the weber sites as a hobby... Hobby or not, when you publish information on the web without a big message saying I have no frickin' idea what I'm talking about, you are presenting yourself as an authority on the subject. And when you answer questions on a mailing list with links to your site you are re-enforcing that point. Just to play Devil's Advocate... Are you suggesting that every site on the 'net, or even just those which LOOK like worthy material, without such a disclaimer, IS authoritative?... :-) Taking this a step further, or dragging it out into an open discussion: I'm not a real huge fan of the folks on this list who post almost as often as I with links to their own ad-revenue sites, but they are at least (usually) on-topic and with valid information available to the reader. It might be better if they sprinkled in links to php.net or even (gasp!) a competitor's site sometimes, but it's not like total spamming, eh? There are even times where I know that there is specific content on such a site, and I'll recommend it. SO where do you draw the line? Seems to me we have to be reasonable about that. And we also have to expect the Reader to at least have half a clue and do some basic research about the source[s] of their info, and their vested interests, and choose for themselves what info to pursue... Though based on experience with some posts, that may be expecting more than will actually happen. Aim high. :-) -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Articles system
On Tue, May 8, 2007 2:54 pm, WeberSites LTD wrote: structure and semantics influence how the page looks. One browser may overlook a missing /TABLE and show the page and another may not. validating will show where you may have gone wrong. Writing good HTML is good practice :) To be pedantic: Validating MIGHT show you where you have gone wrong. Or it might not. Or, another way, a page that validates is more likely to render somewhat consistently cross-platform than one that doesn't, on average. It's much more likely to continue to render in browser version upgrades on the same os/browser. But there's no guarantee it will render how you want, or at all, really, until you see that sucker actually displayed in that browser/OS with your own eyes. Or, in my case, with the Designer's eyes, as I'm unlikely to spot a few zillion buglets in display... I see what I want to see, and probably won't even notice that image dangling over the input box differently on all three browsers, or the one paragraph in Times instead of Verdana or... Designer folks tend to look at me funny when I make them point to exactly has their knickers in a twist, but there it is. I won't even notice it until they point to it. Oh well. Maybe I just got used to a heck of a lot of ugly sites too early on. Remember when the IMG tag was controversial? OMG!!! Like, 5K on a webpage? Are you crazy? Nobody will visit that! :-) -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Articles system
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 19:40 -0500, Richard Lynch wrote: OMG!!! Like, 5K on a webpage? Are you crazy? Nobody will visit that! 5K deflated right?? ;) Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Articles system
Richard Lynch wrote: Sorry for the confusion. Think of it this way: Content is king. When your advertising out-weighs your content, you lose visitors. When you lose visitors, you lose revenue. PS Yes, I also hate the entertainment media formerly known as news. Any questions? I haven't watched TV (except briefly when HBO had carnivale) for almost five years. I don't listen to the radio. I don't go to any news/culture websites... Even still, I break up the pages on my site. I do it primarily because I write long articles, and it's better for people to bookmark the one short page (on my site, a page-length is about 500-750 words for me, maybe more) for the info they want, than to bookmark a page that they have to search through every single time they need that info. I'm sure it irks you when you want to wade through one of those EXTRA-long pages at php.net for some obscure usage, right? The ads on my site are modest and not really up to google standards. Personally, I only ever click on ad-links when I want to support the website I'm on anyway. I figure other people do the same Because really, after the first one, whose stupid enough to Click Here to claim your free laptop!? -- ~Mike Shanley~ ~you are almost there~ ~no, wait. you are there!~ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Articles system
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 21:21 -0400, Mike Shanley wrote: Richard Lynch wrote: Sorry for the confusion. Think of it this way: Content is king. When your advertising out-weighs your content, you lose visitors. When you lose visitors, you lose revenue. PS Yes, I also hate the entertainment media formerly known as news. Any questions? I haven't watched TV (except briefly when HBO had carnivale) for almost five years. I don't listen to the radio. I don't go to any news/culture websites... Even still, I break up the pages on my site. I do it primarily because I write long articles, and it's better for people to bookmark the one short page (on my site, a page-length is about 500-750 words for me, maybe more) for the info they want, than to bookmark a page that they have to search through every single time they need that info. That's why anchor fragments exist! I'm sure it irks you when you want to wade through one of those EXTRA-long pages at php.net for some obscure usage, right? No, some of them go directly to the interesting fragment of the document. http://ca.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#id2649426 Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
