Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 10:18 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:42 AM > > To: paragasu > > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP] scalable web gallery > > ---8<--- snip > > > And for the record, in the "olden days," there was a limit of > > about 2048 files per directory, back when no one thought there would > > ever be a need for nearly that many files. Then, with improved > > filesystems, the limit was rumored to be another magic number: 65535. > > That depended on the operating system, filesystem, and the kernel. I > > think (but don't quote me on this) that BeOS had the 65535 limit. > > > > Now, on an ext3 filesystem (we're not counting ReiserFS because > > (1) I was never a fan, and (2) he might kill me if I say something > > bad! 8^O) you're okay with hundreds of thousands of files per > > directory. ls'ing will be a bit of a pain in the ass, and if you're > > in Bash, you probably don't want to double-TAB the directory, but all > > in all, you'll be okay. > > > > Still, I'd create 16 subdirectories under the images directory: > > 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,a,b,c,d,e,f. Then name the file as an MD5 hash of > > the image uploaded, and place it in the directory matching the first > > character of the new file name. > > Aren't directory structures in Windows (>2.x) and even DOS (>4.x) built > with B-Trees? I wouldn't figure there would be any kind of > limit--excepting memory, of course--to how many files or subdirectories > can be linked to a single node. > > Been a while since I've played with those underlying data structures we > all take for granted, though, so maybe I'm way off base. They may all be B-Trees but the storage mechanism often differs between one filesystem and another. FAT16 and FAT32 both suffered from limitations on the number of files that could exist in a directory. Actually, I may be wrong about FAT32, but I do know for certain it had massive slowdown if it hit some magic number. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:24 AM > To: Boyd, Todd M. > Cc: Daniel Brown; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery > > On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 10:18 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:42 AM > > > To: paragasu > > > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] scalable web gallery > > > > ---8<--- snip > > > > > And for the record, in the "olden days," there was a limit of > > > about 2048 files per directory, back when no one thought there > would > > > ever be a need for nearly that many files. Then, with improved > > > filesystems, the limit was rumored to be another magic number: > 65535. > > > That depended on the operating system, filesystem, and the kernel. > I > > > think (but don't quote me on this) that BeOS had the 65535 limit. > > > > > > Now, on an ext3 filesystem (we're not counting ReiserFS because > > > (1) I was never a fan, and (2) he might kill me if I say something > > > bad! 8^O) you're okay with hundreds of thousands of files per > > > directory. ls'ing will be a bit of a pain in the ass, and if > you're > > > in Bash, you probably don't want to double-TAB the directory, but > all > > > in all, you'll be okay. > > > > > > Still, I'd create 16 subdirectories under the images directory: > > > 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,a,b,c,d,e,f. Then name the file as an MD5 hash > of > > > the image uploaded, and place it in the directory matching the > first > > > character of the new file name. > > > > Aren't directory structures in Windows (>2.x) and even DOS (>4.x) > built > > with B-Trees? I wouldn't figure there would be any kind of > > limit--excepting memory, of course--to how many files or > subdirectories > > can be linked to a single node. > > > > Been a while since I've played with those underlying data structures > we > > all take for granted, though, so maybe I'm way off base. > > They may all be B-Trees but the storage mechanism often differs between > one filesystem and another. FAT16 and FAT32 both suffered from > limitations on the number of files that could exist in a directory. > Actually, I may be wrong about FAT32, but I do know for certain it had > massive slowdown if it hit some magic number. tedd also sent me an e-mail that sparked a memory of mine... the b-trees, regardless of their efficiency, still assign each dir/file INode an identifying number. This number, obviously, can only get so large in the context of one b-tree object (i.e., a directory). In spite of this mental exercise, I do *NOT* miss my Data Structures & Algorithms class. :) Todd Boyd Web Programmer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 12:06 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:24 AM > > To: Boyd, Todd M. > > Cc: Daniel Brown; php-general@lists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery > > > > On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 10:18 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:42 AM > > > > To: paragasu > > > > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] scalable web gallery > > > > > > ---8<--- snip > > > > > > > And for the record, in the "olden days," there was a limit of > > > > about 2048 files per directory, back when no one thought there > > would > > > > ever be a need for nearly that many files. Then, with improved > > > > filesystems, the limit was rumored to be another magic number: > > 65535. > > > > That depended on the operating system, filesystem, and the kernel. > > I > > > > think (but don't quote me on this) that BeOS had the 65535 limit. > > > > > > > > Now, on an ext3 filesystem (we're not counting ReiserFS > because > > > > (1) I was never a fan, and (2) he might kill me if I say something > > > > bad! 8^O) you're okay with hundreds of thousands of files per > > > > directory. ls'ing will be a bit of a pain in the ass, and if > > you're > > > > in Bash, you probably don't want to double-TAB the directory, but > > all > > > > in all, you'll be okay. > > > > > > > > Still, I'd create 16 subdirectories under the images > directory: > > > > 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,a,b,c,d,e,f. Then name the file as an MD5 > hash > > of > > > > the image uploaded, and place it in the directory matching the > > first > > > > character of the new file name. > > > > > > Aren't directory structures in Windows (>2.x) and even DOS (>4.x) > > built > > > with B-Trees? I wouldn't figure there would be any kind of > > > limit--excepting memory, of course--to how many files or > > subdirectories > > > can be linked to a single node. > > > > > > Been a while since I've played with those underlying data structures > > we > > > all take for granted, though, so maybe I'm way off base. > > > > They may all be B-Trees but the storage mechanism often differs > between > > one filesystem and another. FAT16 and FAT32 both suffered from > > limitations on the number of files that could exist in a directory. > > Actually, I may be wrong about FAT32, but I do know for certain it had > > massive slowdown if it hit some magic number. > > tedd also sent me an e-mail that sparked a memory of mine... the > b-trees, regardless of their efficiency, still assign each dir/file > INode an identifying number. This number, obviously, can only get so > large in the context of one b-tree object (i.e., a directory). > > In spite of this mental exercise, I do *NOT* miss my Data Structures & > Algorithms class. :) Really? That along with distributed computing, and parallel computing were my favourites... and here I am programming for the Web... I guess it's distributed ;) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
At 12:31 AM -0400 7/11/08, Robert Cummings wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 12:06 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: > tedd also sent me an e-mail that sparked a memory of mine... the b-trees, regardless of their efficiency, still assign each dir/file INode an identifying number. This number, obviously, can only get so large in the context of one b-tree object (i.e., a directory). In spite of this mental exercise, I do *NOT* miss my Data Structures & > Algorithms class. :) Really? That along with distributed computing, and parallel computing were my favourites... and here I am programming for the Web... I guess it's distributed ;) Cheers, Rob. Todd and Rob: I understand. But, I'm more inclined to agree with Rob, I actually *DO* miss Algorithms and such. There are great minds out there and it's nice to be able to touch their genius. As for favorites, I liked digital filters, FFT, ray theory, computed surfaces, and all versions of AI. I even developed an algorithm to explain why migrating birds fly in a V formation. Some exciting Geek stuff. But here I sit programming the web and following a client's instructions "I don't like that 'Buy Button' in blue, make it red." I feel like a 45 that's being used to swat flies. But hey, we all can't be born rich and most of us have to work for a living. At least I have work. :-) Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:31 PM > To: Boyd, Todd M. > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery > > On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 12:06 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Robert Cummings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:24 AM > > > To: Boyd, Todd M. > > > Cc: Daniel Brown; php-general@lists.php.net > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 10:18 -0500, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:42 AM > > > > > To: paragasu > > > > > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > > > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] scalable web gallery > > > > > > > > ---8<--- snip > > > > > > > > > And for the record, in the "olden days," there was a limit > of > > > > > about 2048 files per directory, back when no one thought there > > > would > > > > > ever be a need for nearly that many files. Then, with improved > > > > > filesystems, the limit was rumored to be another magic number: > > > 65535. > > > > > That depended on the operating system, filesystem, and the > kernel. > > > I > > > > > think (but don't quote me on this) that BeOS had the 65535 > limit. > > > > > > > > > > Now, on an ext3 filesystem (we're not counting ReiserFS > > because > > > > > (1) I was never a fan, and (2) he might kill me if I say > something > > > > > bad! 8^O) you're okay with hundreds of thousands of files per > > > > > directory. ls'ing will be a bit of a pain in the ass, and if > > > you're > > > > > in Bash, you probably don't want to double-TAB the directory, > but > > > all > > > > > in all, you'll be okay. > > > > > > > > > > Still, I'd create 16 subdirectories under the images > > directory: > > > > > 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,a,b,c,d,e,f. Then name the file as an MD5 > > hash > > > of > > > > > the image uploaded, and place it in the directory matching the > > > first > > > > > character of the new file name. > > > > > > > > Aren't directory structures in Windows (>2.x) and even DOS (>4.x) > > > built > > > > with B-Trees? I wouldn't figure there would be any kind of > > > > limit--excepting memory, of course--to how many files or > > > subdirectories > > > > can be linked to a single node. > > > > > > > > Been a while since I've played with those underlying data > structures > > > we > > > > all take for granted, though, so maybe I'm way off base. > > > > > > They may all be B-Trees but the storage mechanism often differs > > between > > > one filesystem and another. FAT16 and FAT32 both suffered from > > > limitations on the number of files that could exist in a directory. > > > Actually, I may be wrong about FAT32, but I do know for certain it > had > > > massive slowdown if it hit some magic number. > > > > tedd also sent me an e-mail that sparked a memory of mine... the > > b-trees, regardless of their efficiency, still assign each dir/file > > INode an identifying number. This number, obviously, can only get so > > large in the context of one b-tree object (i.e., a directory). > > > > In spite of this mental exercise, I do *NOT* miss my Data Structures > & > > Algorithms class. :) > > Really? That along with distributed computing, and parallel computing > were my favourites... and here I am programming for the Web... I guess > it's distributed ;) Don't get me wrong--I enjoyed the class very much. I had never seen sorting algorithms outside of the Bubble Sort, so learning Pivot, Shell, etc. was quite a blast. Self-balancing data trees and such were a real eye-opener as to the power of data structures, too. I'm just... glad I don't have to learn it all over again in a classroom environment. :) Haven't taken a distributed computing class just yet, but I've still got a bit until I graduate, and these elective credits are burning a hole in my pocket... Todd Boyd Web Programmer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
At 5:01 PM -0500 7/11/08, Boyd, Todd M. wrote: Don't get me wrong--I enjoyed the class very much. I had never seen sorting algorithms outside of the Bubble Sort, so learning Pivot, Shell, etc. was quite a blast. I used to hang with a bunch of Macintosh software developers. It was brought to discussion about which sort would be best and everyone submitted theirs. I won the competition with a Quicksort. They all wow'ed about how fast it was, but I told them I didn't want to improve on it any more because I was afraid if I did, it would go back in time. Self-balancing data trees and such were a real eye-opener as to the power of data structures, too. Self-balancing data trees were one of my favorites -- I even wrote a Macintosh application showing the operation of a splay binary-tree, as seen here (for those who have Macs): http://sperling.com/freeware.php A splay is based upon how often a search is preformed for a specific item. The more often the search, the closer the item appears toward the top of the tree -- thus less time to find it. The up and downside of the splay is that the tree is balanced each time a search is preformed -- requiring more time to balance it, but less time to find the item -- kind of a trade-off that works for some situations. I am sure that many search engines use a similar approach. I'm just... glad I don't have to learn it all over again in a classroom environment. :) Not me, I would love to be in a classroom again. You would think that three degrees would burn me out, but just the opposite, I can't get enough of this stuff -- I'm constantly reading and programming everything I can lay my hands on. The only downside of the classroom environment is that I can honestly learn more from this group et al than I can in a classroom. I just don't see academia keeping up with technology. By time the instructors prepare their class-notes, their class-notes are outdated -- or so is my perspective. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
tedd wrote: The only downside of the classroom environment is that I can honestly learn more from this group et al than I can in a classroom. I just don't see academia keeping up with technology. By time the instructors prepare their class-notes, their class-notes are outdated -- or so is my perspective. Cheers, tedd This is so true. Our Community College here in Central Oregon has a Cisco class that is based on the IOS from about 8 years ago. Some of the things that the guy teaches are not even in the current ISO. Or the work-a-rounds he talks about for problems in that ISO have already been fixed in the current releases. -- Jim Lucas "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
Jim Lucas wrote: tedd wrote: The only downside of the classroom environment is that I can honestly learn more from this group et al than I can in a classroom. I just don't see academia keeping up with technology. By time the instructors prepare their class-notes, their class-notes are outdated -- or so is my perspective. Cheers, tedd This is so true. Our Community College here in Central Oregon has a Cisco class that is based on the IOS from about 8 years ago. Some of the things that the guy teaches are not even in the current ISO. Or the work-a-rounds he talks about for problems in that ISO have already been fixed in the current releases. ...and he even calls the IOS an ISO sometimes ;-) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
Shawn McKenzie wrote: Jim Lucas wrote: tedd wrote: The only downside of the classroom environment is that I can honestly learn more from this group et al than I can in a classroom. I just don't see academia keeping up with technology. By time the instructors prepare their class-notes, their class-notes are outdated -- or so is my perspective. Cheers, tedd This is so true. Our Community College here in Central Oregon has a Cisco class that is based on the IOS from about 8 years ago. Some of the things that the guy teaches are not even in the current ISO. Or the work-a-rounds he talks about for problems in that ISO have already been fixed in the current releases. ...and he even calls the IOS an ISO sometimes ;-) good catch, lazy/tired finger TGIF -- Jim Lucas "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
At 7:22 PM -0500 7/11/08, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Jim Lucas wrote: tedd wrote: The only downside of the classroom environment is that I can honestly learn more from this group et al than I can in a classroom. I just don't see academia keeping up with technology. By time the instructors prepare their class-notes, their class-notes are outdated -- or so is my perspective. This is so true. Our Community College here in Central Oregon has a Cisco class that is based on the IOS from about 8 years ago. Some of the things that the guy teaches are not even in the current ISO. Or the work-a-rounds he talks about for problems in that ISO have already been fixed in the current releases. ...and he even calls the IOS an ISO sometimes ;-) He just proved his point, right? I deal with local colleges a bit -- taught a few classes. Recently our local Community College (LCC) decided to return to their previous database. They tried using Oracle for about six years, but they could never get it to work and finally gave up. Unfortunately in the process, they spent over $20 million dollars, which included a help desk that cost over $650,000 per year, and everything failed miserably. They simply didn't have the experience and no one would admit that they didn't. Instead of hiring local talent, the board of trustees sought out "experts" from NYC who encouraged them to throw even more money at the problem. You see, NYC has all their colleges running on Oracle, but they also have over 200 full-time Oracle programmers working on it. It wasn't until the Federal government threaten to hold up government money (because the college wasn't paying students their grant and other monies) that the college wised up and retreated from their "We're just like NYC" attitude. Sometimes, these "smart" people aren't as smart as they think they are. Cheers, tedd PS: BTW -- I offered my talents but they didn't have the professional curiosity to even reply. I'm afraid that the bad news isn't over for the local taxpayer just yet. -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
Todd Boyd recently offered: > Haven't taken a distributed computing class just yet, but I've still got > a bit until I graduate, and these elective credits are burning a hole in > my pocket... The cost of public colleges and universities, as well as community colleges, are truly astounding these days. I for one am quite happy learning from books, web tutorials and the occasional ( ;-g ) mailing list thread. --David.
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
At 9:13 AM -0500 7/12/08, David Giragosian wrote: Todd Boyd recently offered: Haven't taken a distributed computing class just yet, but I've still got a bit until I graduate, and these elective credits are burning a hole in my pocket... The cost of public colleges and universities, as well as community colleges, are truly astounding these days. I for one am quite happy learning from books, web tutorials and the occasional ( ;-g ) mailing list thread. --David. Yes, but college degrees are the bill of goods we've been sold. We are lead to believe that if our children (and us) go to colleges and get that sheepskin then everything will be great for the rest of our lives. But unfortunately, that's not true. In the meantime, academia and politician still demand more funding waving the same banner of yesteryear -- "Your children's education needs improving" -- while continuing to fail miserably in the global arena. Like with everything else, you really don't realize the problem until you bounce off the bottom. We just haven't reached that yet, but we're doing our level best to get there. Cheers (I guess), tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
On 7/12/08, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 9:13 AM -0500 7/12/08, David Giragosian wrote: > >> Todd Boyd recently offered: >> >> Haven't taken a distributed computing class just yet, but I've still got >>> a bit until I graduate, and these elective credits are burning a hole in >>> my pocket... >>> >> >> The cost of public colleges and universities, as well as community >> colleges, >> are truly astounding these days. I for one am quite happy learning from >> books, web tutorials and the occasional ( ;-g ) mailing list thread. >> >> --David. >> > > Yes, but college degrees are the bill of goods we've been sold. We are lead > to believe that if our children (and us) go to colleges and get that > sheepskin then everything will be great for the rest of our lives. But > unfortunately, that's not true. > > In the meantime, academia and politician still demand more funding waving > the same banner of yesteryear -- "Your children's education needs improving" > -- while continuing to fail miserably in the global arena. > > Like with everything else, you really don't realize the problem until you > bounce off the bottom. We just haven't reached that yet, but we're doing our > level best to get there. > > Cheers (I guess), > > tedd We had an article in our local paper yesterday about the guy that made and 'starred' in the video that Daniel posted about here a couple of weeks ago (Matt of 'Where in the World is Matt', fame). Seems his father didn't think he was mature enough to be able to benefit from college, and he was advised to do some traveling instead. That apparently led to an early version of the current 15-minutes-of-fame video. When I read that, I thought, not everybody is buying into the college degree to 'success' route. But that I'm sure is the exception rather than the rule. I think the bigger problem, for education and the USA at least, is that there are few middle-class jobs to be prepared for, despite what you might learn in school. Learning for the sake of learning is wonderful, and yes, I think it does benefit society by broadening one's perspective, but as a path to financial success, defined here as being able to support yourself and raise a family, I agree that a college degree is a dicey undertaking for the expense. (And to be clear, I've completed 10 years of post high school education.) --David.
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 11:36 AM, David Giragosian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We had an article in our local paper yesterday about the guy that made and > 'starred' in the video that Daniel posted about here a couple of weeks ago > (Matt of 'Where in the World is Matt', fame). That was actually something I sent to just a few people directly. However, if anyone wants to see it --- and I recommend it, because it's "geekily-neat" --- you can view the video, entitled "Dancing 2008", at this link: http://www.wherethehellismatt.com/ -- Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
On 7/12/08, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 11:36 AM, David Giragosian > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > We had an article in our local paper yesterday about the guy that made > and > > 'starred' in the video that Daniel posted about here a couple of weeks > ago > > (Matt of 'Where in the World is Matt', fame). > >That was actually something I sent to just a few people directly. > However, if anyone wants to see it --- and I recommend it, because > it's "geekily-neat" --- you can view the video, entitled "Dancing > 2008", at this link: > >http://www.wherethehellismatt.com/ Oops. My mistake. --David.
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 10:43 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 9:13 AM -0500 7/12/08, David Giragosian wrote: > > Todd Boyd recently offered: > > > >> Haven't taken a distributed computing class just yet, but I've still got > >> a bit until I graduate, and these elective credits are burning a hole in > >> my pocket... > > > >The cost of public colleges and universities, as well as community colleges, > >are truly astounding these days. I for one am quite happy learning from > >books, web tutorials and the occasional ( ;-g ) mailing list thread. > > > >--David. > > Yes, but college degrees are the bill of goods we've been sold. We > are lead to believe that if our children (and us) go to colleges and > get that sheepskin then everything will be great for the rest of our > lives. But unfortunately, that's not true. That may be why you went... but I triple major'd in drinking beer and picking up chicks... hence the extra years I put in and all the psychology electives ;) It was well worth the investment... I met my wife there and our third child will arrive in October. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] OT - RE: [PHP] scalable web gallery
At 2:35 PM -0400 7/12/08, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 10:43 -0400, tedd wrote: > Yes, but college degrees are the bill of goods we've been sold. We are lead to believe that if our children (and us) go to colleges and get that sheepskin then everything will be great for the rest of our lives. But unfortunately, that's not true. That may be why you went... but I triple major'd in drinking beer and picking up chicks... hence the extra years I put in and all the psychology electives ;) It was well worth the investment... I met my wife there and our third child will arrive in October. Cheers, Rob. Well, most of us can have kids without college instruction. :-) I didn't go to college to make money, I went for other reasons. But, that didn't stop me from making and spending a couple million. College should have taught me how to save. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
