Re: [PHP] PHP5 stable enough for webapps ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote / napsal (a): I am in the midst of getting work to implement PHP5 onto a new server for a web based app I am doing using PEAR's DB_DataObject plus some other fancy OO. To give them the piece of mind I would like to know if its stable enough to run for an intranet based app running on Federo Linux. The extensions I am trying to get are DOM XML, XSL , GD, getext + a heap of PEAR packages. I have been developing under PHP5 on Mac OSX so no know issues as yet, but I was the one that did the compiling. Its always a querky finnaky thing when someone else does it for you :| Let me know. Dan (also wondering when php will be apache2 ready, Rusmas care to answer without having to repeat yourself though ?? :)) Under GNU/Linux you can compile it too, you don't have to use th pre-compiled packages. I think GNU/Linux is stable enough but it is up to you. trobi -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP5 stable enough for webapps ?
On 28/01/2005, at 11:26 PM, trobi wrote: Under GNU/Linux you can compile it too, you don't have to use th pre-compiled packages. I think GNU/Linux is stable enough but it is up to you. trobi Heh is that for PHP5 or Apache2 ? I think PHP5 is stable enough for what i need it to do, no bugs hangs or crashes., Convincing others that it isnt bleeding edge anymore is a different story. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP5 stable enough for webapps ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the midst of getting work to implement PHP5 onto a new server for a web based app I am doing using PEAR's DB_DataObject plus some other fancy OO. To give them the piece of mind I would like to know if its stable enough to run for an intranet based app running on Federo Linux. The extensions I am trying to get are DOM XML, XSL , GD, getext + a heap of PEAR packages. I have been developing under PHP5 on Mac OSX so no know issues as yet, but I was the one that did the compiling. Its always a querky finnaky thing when someone else does it for you :| Let me know. well if you have been working fine on MacOSX then I reckon thats a good indication! ...and if you want to run redhat thats your problem ;-) Yes PHP5 is stable enough to use IMHO, just don't rely on updates to std packages always working (like the redhat packages - which _ahem_ suck). (I have been writing a PHP5 framework since around 11-2003 and I haven't been able to get it to segfault since around May last year.) ...so it runs on Apache2 quite nicely - there is the fact that you must use the prefork apache2 worker module, other than that there are no overwhelming problems (I assume that there are bugs that could crop up - but this is just going on the assumption that bugless software is only made on other planets :-) - at any rate I have pushed PHP5 quite far on Apache2 and nothing is breaking - e.g. many cyclic-object-references, which was something that sometimes caused segfaults in the 'early' days) good luck with the setup, Jochem Dan (also wondering when php will be apache2 ready, Rusmas care to answer bad form Dan!!! you spelt his name wrong. tut tut ;-) without having to repeat yourself though ?? :)) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP5 stable enough for webapps ?
On 28/01/2005, at 11:56 PM, Jochem Maas wrote: well if you have been working fine on MacOSX then I reckon thats a good indication! Well umm, its a standard setup really, i install all the libraries needed for the extensions via fink, i compile php via source. ...and if you want to run redhat thats your problem ;-) Not my decsision what would you suggest ? We need pretty standard stuff for it to be supported. I dont work for a web company, i'm in an IT department of a government Tv station or i wouldnt need to go through all this hassle to get it. Yes PHP5 is stable enough to use IMHO, just don't rely on updates to std packages always working (like the redhat packages - which _ahem_ suck). As before the systems guy will be doing it from source fk rpm's. (I have been writing a PHP5 framework since around 11-2003 and I haven't been able to get it to segfault since around May last year.) Yeh right interested what your view is on framework ...so it runs on Apache2 quite nicely - there is the fact that you must use the prefork apache2 worker module, other than that there are no overwhelming problems (I assume that there are bugs that could crop up - but this is just going on the assumption that bugless software is only made on other planets :-) - at any rate I have pushed PHP5 quite far on Apache2 and nothing is breaking - e.g. many cyclic-object-references, which was something that sometimes caused segfaults in the 'early' days) I think we could start a flame here, but I have been told the problem isnt with php c code directly but the c libraries it hooks into that instead thread safe ? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP5 stable enough for webapps ?
electroteque wrote: On 28/01/2005, at 11:56 PM, Jochem Maas wrote: well if you have been working fine on MacOSX then I reckon thats a good indication! Well umm, its a standard setup really, i install all the libraries needed for the extensions via fink, i compile php via source. was not meant as a a dig - its merely that MacOSX is less used and therefore per definition less tested, statistically you have more chance of finding a (platform specific) bug there. at least that was my reasoning. ...and if you want to run redhat thats your problem ;-) Not my decsision what would you suggest ? We need pretty standard stuff for it to be supported. I dont work for a web company, i'm in an IT department of a government Tv station or i wouldnt need to go through all this hassle to get it. what do you classify as std? (most gov orgs I know of think std == Microsoft). redhat is shite, if you need professional support/indemnity/etc I would recommend Novell/SuSE. if you can go for a minimal setup like debian or gentoo (2 distros that I like) which take the 'less is more' approach and gives you control - rather than some redhat webserver 1500 miles away which thinks it knows better than you whether you want to upgrade to the latest version of xyz. Yes PHP5 is stable enough to use IMHO, just don't rely on updates to std packages always working (like the redhat packages - which _ahem_ suck). As before the systems guy will be doing it from source fk rpm's. I pity the man - I have a friend who is _really_ ace at the sort of thing and he used the word 'nightmare' (php5/apache2/firebird1.5 on a redhat v3 enterprise server). yum yum not. () (I have been writing a PHP5 framework since around 11-2003 and I haven't been able to get it to segfault since around May last year.) Yeh right interested what your view is on framework framework == 'bunch of code that I can reuse to form the basis of a site' basically its a data-object setup specific to Firebird DB - basically you design a DB (day or 2), write the objects (day or 2 again), boom instant CMS - and then I spend countless hours doing the custom magic for a given client. There is a lot of work done on relating data entities and on the generic/generated CMS interface. (3 types of relation: Reference, Vector, Association - each is implements as a Field object - fields objects make up the structure of data-object). Its pretty cool, but the stuff that really makes it stand out (IMHO) is the generic management/editing screens...e.g. 1. highlight rows (ala phpmyAdmin but better) and then edit all the highlighted rows (no use of checkboxes) with a single click 2. drag'n'drop columns (to change the order) with the ability to store the changes (the system is capable of storing custom view settings for each user) Actually I have wanted to make the code open source - but its really a quite a complex beast to setup i.e. I can't just give someone a file and say run it, theres your demo. which means I need to write an install file, a help file and make a test DBstructure for people to play with as soon as I have time I will get my ass into gear, then you (and the rest of the world) will be able to see if its any good. ...so it runs on Apache2 quite nicely - there is the fact that you must use the prefork apache2 worker module, other than that there are no overwhelming problems (I assume that there are bugs that could crop up - but this is just going on the assumption that bugless software is only made on other planets :-) - at any rate I have pushed PHP5 quite far on Apache2 and nothing is breaking - e.g. many cyclic-object-references, which was something that sometimes caused segfaults in the 'early' days) I think we could start a flame here, but I have been told the problem isnt with php c code directly but the c libraries it hooks into that instead thread safe ? correct as far as I understand it. to paraphrase Rasmus (answering a post on threading) 'your in uncharted territory, good luck' I see you sneakily snipped off the misspelling of Rasmus' name ;-) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP5 stable enough for webapps ?
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:43:54 +1100, electroteque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh is that for PHP5 or Apache2 ? I think PHP5 is stable enough for what i need it to do, no bugs hangs or crashes., Convincing others that it isnt bleeding edge anymore is a different story. I wouldn't say it has no bugs.. especially when you look at the other 5.0.x releases: http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php Sure PHP 5 is getting better all the time, but bug free I seriously doubt. That said, I'm using it for new development and it does appear to work fine. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
