Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On Jan 25, 2008 8:58 AM, Jason Pruim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Eric Butera wrote: > > > On Jan 25, 2008 8:43 AM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 25/01/2008, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> not to mention the 'all-your-email-belong-to-us' aspect of > >> world googlisation. > > > > yeah, that's exactly why I don't use gmail > > That's why I use gmail for lists, but not for work or personal > mail. > The spam filtering is great, and so is the interface, but I want my > personal email on my own disk space. > >>> > >>> You do realize that your personal email does go across the wire in > >>> plain text, right? :) > >>> > >> > >> Doesn't bother me one bit (pun intended). I meant that I like to have > >> my email safe where I can accidentally rm it rather than on Google's > >> servers. I don't consider list mail as "my mail". > >> > >> > >> Dotan Cohen > >> > >> http://what-is-what.com > >> http://gibberish.co.il > >> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ- > >> ק-ר-ש-ת > >> > >> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > >> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > >> > > > > Ah, ok! I just know a lot of people got really upset about Google > > showing context specific ads on email. I just always smile at this > > wondering why people think any other form of plain/text is so much > > more secure. > > > I've always believed that if I'm going to get subjected to ads (Which > of course I do) I want them to be as specific as possible... Don't > show me the benefits of estrogen treatments :) > > > > -- > > Jason Pruim > Raoset Inc. > Technology Manager > MQC Specialist > 3251 132nd ave > Holland, MI, 49424 > www.raoset.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Which is why Google is friendly enough to provide a link to a map of your address when I view this thread, or track packages any time someone posts a large number (e.g. in a script example) that happens to match a pattern that any of several major companies like UPS or FedEx. As for the sponsored links? Five ways from Sunday to search for e-mail addresses. I can understand why they want to put the links there. It's just that there are so many places (especially in e-mail) where the links aren't going to make sense. Andrew
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Eric Butera wrote: On Jan 25, 2008 8:43 AM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 25/01/2008, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: not to mention the 'all-your-email-belong-to-us' aspect of world googlisation. yeah, that's exactly why I don't use gmail That's why I use gmail for lists, but not for work or personal mail. The spam filtering is great, and so is the interface, but I want my personal email on my own disk space. You do realize that your personal email does go across the wire in plain text, right? :) Doesn't bother me one bit (pun intended). I meant that I like to have my email safe where I can accidentally rm it rather than on Google's servers. I don't consider list mail as "my mail". Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ- ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? Ah, ok! I just know a lot of people got really upset about Google showing context specific ads on email. I just always smile at this wondering why people think any other form of plain/text is so much more secure. I've always believed that if I'm going to get subjected to ads (Which of course I do) I want them to be as specific as possible... Don't show me the benefits of estrogen treatments :) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On 25/01/2008, Jason Pruim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've always believed that if I'm going to get subjected to ads (Which > of course I do) I want them to be as specific as possible... Don't > show me the benefits of estrogen treatments :) > > Hey! You are ruining my contextual ads with words such as estrogen! Careful! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On Jan 25, 2008 8:43 AM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 25/01/2008, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > not to mention the 'all-your-email-belong-to-us' aspect of world > > > > > googlisation. > > > > > > > > yeah, that's exactly why I don't use gmail > > > > > > That's why I use gmail for lists, but not for work or personal mail. > > > The spam filtering is great, and so is the interface, but I want my > > > personal email on my own disk space. > > > > You do realize that your personal email does go across the wire in > > plain text, right? :) > > > > Doesn't bother me one bit (pun intended). I meant that I like to have > my email safe where I can accidentally rm it rather than on Google's > servers. I don't consider list mail as "my mail". > > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > Ah, ok! I just know a lot of people got really upset about Google showing context specific ads on email. I just always smile at this wondering why people think any other form of plain/text is so much more secure.
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On 25/01/2008, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > not to mention the 'all-your-email-belong-to-us' aspect of world > > > > googlisation. > > > > > > yeah, that's exactly why I don't use gmail > > > > That's why I use gmail for lists, but not for work or personal mail. > > The spam filtering is great, and so is the interface, but I want my > > personal email on my own disk space. > > You do realize that your personal email does go across the wire in > plain text, right? :) > Doesn't bother me one bit (pun intended). I meant that I like to have my email safe where I can accidentally rm it rather than on Google's servers. I don't consider list mail as "my mail". Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On Jan 25, 2008 5:28 AM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 25/01/2008, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008. 01. 25, péntek keltezéssel 11.10-kor Jochem Maas ezt írta: > > > bruce schreef: > > > > also... > > > > > > > > for gmail, as far as i can tell.. you can't do a resend on a sent > > > > email... > > > > ie, get the email you sent, reedit it, and resend it.. > > > > > > not to mention the 'all-your-email-belong-to-us' aspect of world > > > googlisation. > > > > yeah, that's exactly why I don't use gmail > > That's why I use gmail for lists, but not for work or personal mail. > The spam filtering is great, and so is the interface, but I want my > personal email on my own disk space. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > You do realize that your personal email does go across the wire in plain text, right? :)
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On 25/01/2008, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008. 01. 25, péntek keltezéssel 11.10-kor Jochem Maas ezt írta: > > bruce schreef: > > > also... > > > > > > for gmail, as far as i can tell.. you can't do a resend on a sent email... > > > ie, get the email you sent, reedit it, and resend it.. > > > > not to mention the 'all-your-email-belong-to-us' aspect of world > > googlisation. > > yeah, that's exactly why I don't use gmail That's why I use gmail for lists, but not for work or personal mail. The spam filtering is great, and so is the interface, but I want my personal email on my own disk space. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
2008. 01. 25, péntek keltezéssel 11.10-kor Jochem Maas ezt írta: > bruce schreef: > > also... > > > > for gmail, as far as i can tell.. you can't do a resend on a sent email... > > ie, get the email you sent, reedit it, and resend it.. > > not to mention the 'all-your-email-belong-to-us' aspect of world googlisation. yeah, that's exactly why I don't use gmail greets Zoltán Németh > > > > > > > peace.. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:51 AM > > To: Eric Butera > > Cc: Nathan Nobbe; Jochem Maas; clive; PHP LIST > > Subject: Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2008 10:42 AM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I used to be hardcore pop only but now that I use gmail I don't care > >> about any other mail client. It beats Thunderbird and Mail.app hands > >> down. If you don't look at the right hand side you won't see the ads. > >> :) I even have it set up now to pull my pop mail account and slap it > >> in a filter. Plus I enjoy all the people complaining about how users > >> shouldn't change the subject. The gmail thread grouping takes care of > >> all that for me. :D The only real downside is you can't view the raw > >> source of messages or get the headers. > > > > At the top-right of each message is a little downward-pointing > > arrow (next to the Reply button). Click that, and then you click > > "Show Original" to view all of the headers. > > > > I actually don't see the same threading in Gmail. If a subject is > > changed, for whatever reason, my Gmail sees it as a new thread - even > > just with `Re:` appended to it. No clue why. > > > > -- > > > > > > Daniel P. Brown > > Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated "Year's Coolest Guy" By Self Since > > Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
bruce schreef: also... for gmail, as far as i can tell.. you can't do a resend on a sent email... ie, get the email you sent, reedit it, and resend it.. not to mention the 'all-your-email-belong-to-us' aspect of world googlisation. peace.. -Original Message- From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:51 AM To: Eric Butera Cc: Nathan Nobbe; Jochem Maas; clive; PHP LIST Subject: Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed On Jan 24, 2008 10:42 AM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I used to be hardcore pop only but now that I use gmail I don't care about any other mail client. It beats Thunderbird and Mail.app hands down. If you don't look at the right hand side you won't see the ads. :) I even have it set up now to pull my pop mail account and slap it in a filter. Plus I enjoy all the people complaining about how users shouldn't change the subject. The gmail thread grouping takes care of all that for me. :D The only real downside is you can't view the raw source of messages or get the headers. At the top-right of each message is a little downward-pointing arrow (next to the Reply button). Click that, and then you click "Show Original" to view all of the headers. I actually don't see the same threading in Gmail. If a subject is changed, for whatever reason, my Gmail sees it as a new thread - even just with `Re:` appended to it. No clue why. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated "Year's Coolest Guy" By Self Since Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
also... for gmail, as far as i can tell.. you can't do a resend on a sent email... ie, get the email you sent, reedit it, and resend it.. peace.. -Original Message- From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:51 AM To: Eric Butera Cc: Nathan Nobbe; Jochem Maas; clive; PHP LIST Subject: Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed On Jan 24, 2008 10:42 AM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I used to be hardcore pop only but now that I use gmail I don't care > about any other mail client. It beats Thunderbird and Mail.app hands > down. If you don't look at the right hand side you won't see the ads. > :) I even have it set up now to pull my pop mail account and slap it > in a filter. Plus I enjoy all the people complaining about how users > shouldn't change the subject. The gmail thread grouping takes care of > all that for me. :D The only real downside is you can't view the raw > source of messages or get the headers. At the top-right of each message is a little downward-pointing arrow (next to the Reply button). Click that, and then you click "Show Original" to view all of the headers. I actually don't see the same threading in Gmail. If a subject is changed, for whatever reason, my Gmail sees it as a new thread - even just with `Re:` appended to it. No clue why. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated "Year's Coolest Guy" By Self Since Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On Jan 24, 2008 10:42 AM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I used to be hardcore pop only but now that I use gmail I don't care > about any other mail client. It beats Thunderbird and Mail.app hands > down. If you don't look at the right hand side you won't see the ads. > :) I even have it set up now to pull my pop mail account and slap it > in a filter. Plus I enjoy all the people complaining about how users > shouldn't change the subject. The gmail thread grouping takes care of > all that for me. :D The only real downside is you can't view the raw > source of messages or get the headers. At the top-right of each message is a little downward-pointing arrow (next to the Reply button). Click that, and then you click "Show Original" to view all of the headers. I actually don't see the same threading in Gmail. If a subject is changed, for whatever reason, my Gmail sees it as a new thread - even just with `Re:` appended to it. No clue why. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated "Year's Coolest Guy" By Self Since Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On Jan 24, 2008 10:56 AM, Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 24 Jan 2008, at 15:42, Eric Butera wrote: > > I used to be hardcore pop only but now that I use gmail I don't care > > about any other mail client. It beats Thunderbird and Mail.app hands > > down. If you don't look at the right hand side you won't see the ads. > > :) I even have it set up now to pull my pop mail account and slap it > > in a filter. Plus I enjoy all the people complaining about how users > > shouldn't change the subject. The gmail thread grouping takes care of > > all that for me. :D The only real downside is you can't view the raw > > source of messages or get the headers. > > Top-right of any message, the down arrow next to the Reply link, > select Show Original... voila, the raw message complete with all > headers. > > I'm almost exclusively using Google Apps for all my mail (just a > couple of accounts left to move), and nothing much has changed about > what I do. I still have the choice between Thunderbird (IMAP) or > Webmail (Gmail), and I still have a complete archive of all my mail > since 1996. I have no complaints at all. > > -Stut > > -- > http://stut.net/ > Stut you made my day! Thanks! :D I tried the IMAP stuff with Mail.app and Thunderbird, but I didn't really like it. It always seemed to hiccup and act slow randomly which just got on my nerves. I still keep it around for when I need to use GPG though. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On 24 Jan 2008, at 15:42, Eric Butera wrote: I used to be hardcore pop only but now that I use gmail I don't care about any other mail client. It beats Thunderbird and Mail.app hands down. If you don't look at the right hand side you won't see the ads. :) I even have it set up now to pull my pop mail account and slap it in a filter. Plus I enjoy all the people complaining about how users shouldn't change the subject. The gmail thread grouping takes care of all that for me. :D The only real downside is you can't view the raw source of messages or get the headers. Top-right of any message, the down arrow next to the Reply link, select Show Original... voila, the raw message complete with all headers. I'm almost exclusively using Google Apps for all my mail (just a couple of accounts left to move), and nothing much has changed about what I do. I still have the choice between Thunderbird (IMAP) or Webmail (Gmail), and I still have a complete archive of all my mail since 1996. I have no complaints at all. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 10:42 -0500, Eric Butera wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 10:36 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2008 10:26 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > like a charm for the marketing, ad-shovelling sales whores at google you. > > > > > > i dont know man; its a pretty nice user interface. i might try to setup an > > open > > source web interface for my server when i get the time, but for now i can > > use > > gmail to interface w/ my personal mail server as well; thats pretty > > convenient. > > check this one out; from the same guys that make trac (edgewall) > > http://posterity.edgewall.org/ > > > > my mail server is fine thanks, plaster my email address all over the web for > > > all I care. > > > > > > thats cool, what i was really getting at is that gmail handles the spam > > issues w/ > > next to no hassle. im sure there are plenty of solutions to protect > > personal mail > > servers as well, such as spam assassin. the whole spam thing really isnt a > > big > > issue for me, and sounds like it isnt for you either :) > > > > -nathan > > > > I used to be hardcore pop only but now that I use gmail I don't care > about any other mail client. It beats Thunderbird and Mail.app hands > down. If you don't look at the right hand side you won't see the ads. > :) You should look into user mode JavScript. I use Opera and I can have my own brewed JS run when I load a page. This allows me to do special filtering/post markup/event handling for common sites I visit. I know Firefox has something similar but I don't use Firefox except to check for correctness so can't speak more on it. Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On Jan 24, 2008 10:36 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 10:26 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > like a charm for the marketing, ad-shovelling sales whores at google you. > > > i dont know man; its a pretty nice user interface. i might try to setup an > open > source web interface for my server when i get the time, but for now i can > use > gmail to interface w/ my personal mail server as well; thats pretty > convenient. > check this one out; from the same guys that make trac (edgewall) > http://posterity.edgewall.org/ > > my mail server is fine thanks, plaster my email address all over the web for > > all I care. > > > thats cool, what i was really getting at is that gmail handles the spam > issues w/ > next to no hassle. im sure there are plenty of solutions to protect > personal mail > servers as well, such as spam assassin. the whole spam thing really isnt a > big > issue for me, and sounds like it isnt for you either :) > > -nathan > I used to be hardcore pop only but now that I use gmail I don't care about any other mail client. It beats Thunderbird and Mail.app hands down. If you don't look at the right hand side you won't see the ads. :) I even have it set up now to pull my pop mail account and slap it in a filter. Plus I enjoy all the people complaining about how users shouldn't change the subject. The gmail thread grouping takes care of all that for me. :D The only real downside is you can't view the raw source of messages or get the headers. As Nathan said, the spam filter is really good too. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On Jan 24, 2008 10:26 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > like a charm for the marketing, ad-shovelling sales whores at google you. i dont know man; its a pretty nice user interface. i might try to setup an open source web interface for my server when i get the time, but for now i can use gmail to interface w/ my personal mail server as well; thats pretty convenient. check this one out; from the same guys that make trac (edgewall) http://posterity.edgewall.org/ my mail server is fine thanks, plaster my email address all over the web for > all I care. thats cool, what i was really getting at is that gmail handles the spam issues w/ next to no hassle. im sure there are plenty of solutions to protect personal mail servers as well, such as spam assassin. the whole spam thing really isnt a big issue for me, and sounds like it isnt for you either :) -nathan
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
Nathan Nobbe schreef: On Jan 24, 2008 4:57 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it's 'our email' not 'are email' ;-) and yes we know about this problem. nothing much we can do about it get gmail; it works like a charm :) like a charm for the marketing, ad-shovelling sales whores at google you. my mail server is fine thanks, plaster my email address all over the web for all I care. -nathan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
On Jan 24, 2008 4:57 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it's 'our email' not 'are email' ;-) and yes we know about this problem. > nothing much we can do about it get gmail; it works like a charm :) -nathan
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
hi clive, it's 'our email' not 'are email' ;-) and yes we know about this problem. nothing much we can do about it clive schreef: http://www.mail4liste.de/viewtopic.php?p=259845&sid=4b4f436983abded92e9a090cdea0c688 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] are email address could be spammed
2008. 01. 24, csütörtök keltezéssel 11.40-kor clive ezt írta: > http://www.mail4liste.de/viewtopic.php?p=259845&sid=4b4f436983abded92e9a090cdea0c688 > > read back the archives, this has been discussed already. our addresses are already public, as we use them to answer mails on this list. so it does not matter at all. but if you ask Dan, he will remove your address from the report surely. greets Zoltán Németh -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
