Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
On Apr 4, 2013, at 5:02 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: or you can't see at all) then you have to fall back to the audio replacement offered by the captcha. I've tried listening to some, and they are awful. Thanks, Ash Ash: How about the second one down? Can you hear this one clear enough? I like the circle one. I can place the circle anywhere on the page and ask the user to click it, but you have to be able to see it. The third one is simple enough. The forth one is bot proof, but a bit difficult for some to figure out and for the blind to see. Cheers, tedd _ tedd.sperl...@gmail.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 20:32 -0500, tamouse mailing lists wrote: I'd love to learn how to do that WITHOUT A MOUSE On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:10 PM, jomali jomali3...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: These folks might have direction for you: http://textcaptcha.com/really (And my apologies for top posting. It seems Google has forced their new mail compose widget upon me. I can no longer use my own editor to smoothly and easily edit message, and Google forces the top post.) Actually, it doesn't, as I show below. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Jen Rasmussen j...@cetaceasound.com wrote: Can someone recommend a best practice for blocking spam on web forms (aside from captcha) ? I've been for the most part utilizing a honeypot method and then individually blocking IPs and am looking for a more efficient method that won't require daily maintenance. I've come across this module: http://spam-ip.com/phpnuke-spam-module.php Has anyone used this method or have any other better suggestions? Thanks in advance! Jen Rasmussen Web Development Manager | Cetacea Sound Corp. 763-225-8465 | www.cetaceasound.com P Before printing this message, make sure that it's necessary. The environment is in your hands -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Actually, it doesn't. All you have to do is scroll to the bottom and add your material. Captchas are not very accessible. Not only do you often need a near super-human ability to identify the scrawl that's displayed, but if you can't actually see very well to start with (maybe your vision isn't perfect or you can't see at all) then you have to fall back to the audio replacement offered by the captcha. I've tried listening to some, and they are awful. One type I've seen (and use myself) which is gaining traction is that of asking for a human type of response to a question, or have them perform a simple mathematical problem, where the numbers are replaced with something else. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
On Apr 4, 2013 3:57 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: Captchas are not very accessible. Not only do you often need a near super-human ability to identify the scrawl that's displayed, but if you can't actually see very well to start with (maybe your vision isn't perfect or you can't see at all) then you have to fall back to the audio replacement offered by the captcha. I've tried listening to some, and they are awful. That is the premise behind what the folks at textcaptcha are doing, going so far as to question the need for captcha itself One type I've seen (and use myself) which is gaining traction is that of asking for a human type of response to a question, or have them perform a simple mathematical problem, where the numbers are replaced with something else. Those can be great. The sticky part seems to be i18n and common user experience to answer the question, but this seem much easier to work with then throwing something horrible at your users. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
On 4-4-2013 14:27, tamouse mailing lists wrote: On Apr 4, 2013 3:57 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: One type I've seen (and use myself) which is gaining traction is that of asking for a human type of response to a question, or have them perform a simple mathematical problem, where the numbers are replaced with something else. Those can be great. The sticky part seems to be i18n and common user experience to answer the question, but this seem much easier to work with then throwing something horrible at your users. Still, questions like Does the sun rise in the morning or evening? or Is the sky usually blue or red? should be answerable by pretty much any human capable of understanding at least very basic things. I'm pretty sure that even if you have a severely reduced mental capacity, you can still answer these types of questions. And if you can't, you usually are in the wrong place anyway. - Tul -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
I am running captcha but the problem that I am having is that fly-by-night SEO marketeers are using the form to send marketing messages anyway. We get so many spam messages that I put up in red letters on the form that we do not want cold-calling SEO marketing messages. Since that message there has been a significant reduction in emails from legitimate SEO companies. However there is an upsurge in fly-by-night individuals who are all using Gmail addresses and originating in the USA. It seems as though someone is selling them a database of websites to contact. I wish there was a way of dealing with these people who evidently cannot read. Is there a technological solution? On 4 April 2013 17:28, Maciek Sokolewicz tula...@php.net wrote: On 4-4-2013 14:27, tamouse mailing lists wrote: On Apr 4, 2013 3:57 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: One type I've seen (and use myself) which is gaining traction is that of asking for a human type of response to a question, or have them perform a simple mathematical problem, where the numbers are replaced with something else. Those can be great. The sticky part seems to be i18n and common user experience to answer the question, but this seem much easier to work with then throwing something horrible at your users. Still, questions like Does the sun rise in the morning or evening? or Is the sky usually blue or red? should be answerable by pretty much any human capable of understanding at least very basic things. I'm pretty sure that even if you have a severely reduced mental capacity, you can still answer these types of questions. And if you can't, you usually are in the wrong place anyway. - Tul -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- *Terry Ally* Twitter.com/terryally Facebook.com/terryally ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ To print or not to print this email is the environmentally-searching question! Which has the highest ecological cost? A sheet of paper or constantly switching on your computer and connecting to the Internet to read your email?
Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 19:29 +0100, Terry Ally (Gmail) wrote: I am running captcha but the problem that I am having is that fly-by-night SEO marketeers are using the form to send marketing messages anyway. We get so many spam messages that I put up in red letters on the form that we do not want cold-calling SEO marketing messages. Since that message there has been a significant reduction in emails from legitimate SEO companies. However there is an upsurge in fly-by-night individuals who are all using Gmail addresses and originating in the USA. It seems as though someone is selling them a database of websites to contact. I wish there was a way of dealing with these people who evidently cannot read. Is there a technological solution? On 4 April 2013 17:28, Maciek Sokolewicz tula...@php.net wrote: On 4-4-2013 14:27, tamouse mailing lists wrote: On Apr 4, 2013 3:57 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: One type I've seen (and use myself) which is gaining traction is that of asking for a human type of response to a question, or have them perform a simple mathematical problem, where the numbers are replaced with something else. Those can be great. The sticky part seems to be i18n and common user experience to answer the question, but this seem much easier to work with then throwing something horrible at your users. Still, questions like Does the sun rise in the morning or evening? or Is the sky usually blue or red? should be answerable by pretty much any human capable of understanding at least very basic things. I'm pretty sure that even if you have a severely reduced mental capacity, you can still answer these types of questions. And if you can't, you usually are in the wrong place anyway. - Tul -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php They probably aren't using a paid for list but getting a list of contact forms from a web search. I still maintain that asking some sort of question that only a human could answer is best, and that doesn't mean a tradition captcha like ReCaptcha. That's proved easier for bots to fill than humans now! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 07:29:12PM +0100, Terry Ally (Gmail) wrote: I am running captcha but the problem that I am having is that fly-by-night SEO marketeers are using the form to send marketing messages anyway. We get so many spam messages that I put up in red letters on the form that we do not want cold-calling SEO marketing messages. Since that message there has been a significant reduction in emails from legitimate SEO companies. legitimate SEO companies ROTFL! (Oh, sorry, did I say that out loud?) Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
These folks might have direction for you: http://textcaptcha.com/really (And my apologies for top posting. It seems Google has forced their new mail compose widget upon me. I can no longer use my own editor to smoothly and easily edit message, and Google forces the top post.) On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Jen Rasmussen j...@cetaceasound.com wrote: Can someone recommend a best practice for blocking spam on web forms (aside from captcha) ? I've been for the most part utilizing a honeypot method and then individually blocking IPs and am looking for a more efficient method that won't require daily maintenance. I've come across this module: http://spam-ip.com/phpnuke-spam-module.php Has anyone used this method or have any other better suggestions? Thanks in advance! Jen Rasmussen Web Development Manager | Cetacea Sound Corp. 763-225-8465 | www.cetaceasound.com P Before printing this message, make sure that it's necessary. The environment is in your hands -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: These folks might have direction for you: http://textcaptcha.com/really (And my apologies for top posting. It seems Google has forced their new mail compose widget upon me. I can no longer use my own editor to smoothly and easily edit message, and Google forces the top post.) Actually, it doesn't, as I show below. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Jen Rasmussen j...@cetaceasound.com wrote: Can someone recommend a best practice for blocking spam on web forms (aside from captcha) ? I've been for the most part utilizing a honeypot method and then individually blocking IPs and am looking for a more efficient method that won't require daily maintenance. I've come across this module: http://spam-ip.com/phpnuke-spam-module.php Has anyone used this method or have any other better suggestions? Thanks in advance! Jen Rasmussen Web Development Manager | Cetacea Sound Corp. 763-225-8465 | www.cetaceasound.com P Before printing this message, make sure that it's necessary. The environment is in your hands -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Actually, it doesn't. All you have to do is scroll to the bottom and add your material.
Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
I'd love to learn how to do that WITHOUT A MOUSE On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:10 PM, jomali jomali3...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: These folks might have direction for you: http://textcaptcha.com/really (And my apologies for top posting. It seems Google has forced their new mail compose widget upon me. I can no longer use my own editor to smoothly and easily edit message, and Google forces the top post.) Actually, it doesn't, as I show below. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Jen Rasmussen j...@cetaceasound.com wrote: Can someone recommend a best practice for blocking spam on web forms (aside from captcha) ? I've been for the most part utilizing a honeypot method and then individually blocking IPs and am looking for a more efficient method that won't require daily maintenance. I've come across this module: http://spam-ip.com/phpnuke-spam-module.php Has anyone used this method or have any other better suggestions? Thanks in advance! Jen Rasmussen Web Development Manager | Cetacea Sound Corp. 763-225-8465 | www.cetaceasound.com P Before printing this message, make sure that it's necessary. The environment is in your hands -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Actually, it doesn't. All you have to do is scroll to the bottom and add your material. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] webform spam prevention
You can take a look at this article http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/2011/03/04/in-search-of-the-perfect-captcha/ On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Jen Rasmussen j...@cetaceasound.com wrote: Can someone recommend a best practice for blocking spam on web forms (aside from captcha) ? I've been for the most part utilizing a honeypot method and then individually blocking IPs and am looking for a more efficient method that won't require daily maintenance. I've come across this module: http://spam-ip.com/phpnuke-spam-module.php Has anyone used this method or have any other better suggestions? Thanks in advance! Jen Rasmussen Web Development Manager | Cetacea Sound Corp. 763-225-8465 | www.cetaceasound.com P Before printing this message, make sure that it's necessary. The environment is in your hands -- Badea Sorin (unu.sorin) sorin.bade...@gmail.com unu_so...@yahoo.com Pagina personala: http://badeasorin.com
