Re: [PHP-DOC] [DOC-CVS] svn: /phpdoc/ doc-base/trunk/entities/global.ent doc-base/trunk/manual.xml.in en/trunk/reference/suhosin/book.xml en/trunk/reference/suhosin/configure.xml en/trunk/reference/su
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > Stefan also mentioned that he won't continue the development of > bytekit in it's current form, and if I remember correctly Pierre > suggested that if the package is abandoned by the original developer, > a new developer could take it over and bring it to pecl. > for suhosin, having a decent documentation is much needed, and as you > also mentioned, it's really "popular", albeit the Gentoo dropped the > suhosin patch recently, as the it doesn't apply cleanly anymore. > for the long term, I would like to see that we leave the past behind, > and the useful features should be incorporated in the core, this way > removing the need for suhosin in it's current form. As of now there is almost zero reason to actually use it. Most were arguing about blowfish or session safety (entropy src) which is now fully supported in core and even in a better form than in the extension. I'm still waiting for a list of the feature/addition we should introduce in core. I'm totally against to document suhosin in www.php.net or any related sites. This extension is not supported, nor it is part of our projects. Distros having a wrong definition of safety and enabling random extension is a real problem, making it somehow official won't improve the situation. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org
Re: [PHP-DOC] [DOC-CVS] svn: /phpdoc/ doc-base/trunk/entities/global.ent doc-base/trunk/manual.xml.in en/trunk/reference/suhosin/book.xml en/trunk/reference/suhosin/configure.xml en/trunk/reference/su
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Philip Olson wrote: > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Jones wrote: > >> >> >> On 8/16/11 8:40 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Christopher Jones >>> wrote: On 8/16/11 4:30 AM, Hannes Magnusson wrote: > > What are you doing? > Did I miss some discussion on this? And another question: is Suhosin even maintained anymore? >>> >>> https://twitter.com/#!/i0n1c/statuses/59373164915994624 >>> >> >> Four months and waiting since that promise. And 15 months since the last >> release. > > We only document core and PECL extensions, and Suhosin is neither. > It's a little tricky though because it's a default extension with > several Linux distributions, so I'm not sure if an exception should > be made. Our ultimate goal is to help users find information. > > But according to precedent and our current procedures, this commit > should not have been made. I recommend disabling it from manual.xml.in > for now, until the situation becomes known. Internals and the Suhosin > authors should decide if Suhosin will become an official PHP extension > (PECL or otherwise), as it's not something the PHP documentation team > should decide. > > Regards, > Philip > > this is somehow related: http://marc.info/?l=pecl-dev&m=128041932812250&w=2 Stefan also mentioned that he won't continue the development of bytekit in it's current form, and if I remember correctly Pierre suggested that if the package is abandoned by the original developer, a new developer could take it over and bring it to pecl. for suhosin, having a decent documentation is much needed, and as you also mentioned, it's really "popular", albeit the Gentoo dropped the suhosin patch recently, as the it doesn't apply cleanly anymore. for the long term, I would like to see that we leave the past behind, and the useful features should be incorporated in the core, this way removing the need for suhosin in it's current form. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
Re: [PHP-DOC] [DOC-CVS] svn: /phpdoc/ doc-base/trunk/entities/global.ent doc-base/trunk/manual.xml.in en/trunk/reference/suhosin/book.xml en/trunk/reference/suhosin/configure.xml en/trunk/reference/su
On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Jones wrote: > > > On 8/16/11 8:40 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Christopher Jones >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/16/11 4:30 AM, Hannes Magnusson wrote: What are you doing? Did I miss some discussion on this? >>> >>> And another question: is Suhosin even maintained anymore? >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/i0n1c/statuses/59373164915994624 >> > > Four months and waiting since that promise. And 15 months since the last > release. We only document core and PECL extensions, and Suhosin is neither. It's a little tricky though because it's a default extension with several Linux distributions, so I'm not sure if an exception should be made. Our ultimate goal is to help users find information. But according to precedent and our current procedures, this commit should not have been made. I recommend disabling it from manual.xml.in for now, until the situation becomes known. Internals and the Suhosin authors should decide if Suhosin will become an official PHP extension (PECL or otherwise), as it's not something the PHP documentation team should decide. Regards, Philip
