Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
Being new to Pike, when I first looked at the Pike Hello World program, the syntax, at first glance, reminded me most of the D language which also uses 'write' and a somewhat similar 'std.stdio'. 鸞 Cheers, Gary On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 8:41 PM Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, 21 May 2022 at 09:42, chikega wrote: > > > > I’m a new learner. It's interesting to see results on Google Trend > comparing various high-level programming languages like Perl, PHP, Ruby, > Lua. When I punch in 'Pike programming language', I get this: "Hmm, your > search doesn't have enough data to show here." :-/ > > > > > https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all=US=lua,ruby,Perl,PHP > > > > I usually explain to people that Pike is an obscure, but excellent, > language, with similarities to Python, C++, and various others, with a > focus on networking. But it's impossible to sum up a programming > language in a single sentence without omitting a lot of what makes it > great :) > > ChrisA > >
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Sat, 21 May 2022 at 09:42, chikega wrote: > > I’m a new learner. It's interesting to see results on Google Trend comparing > various high-level programming languages like Perl, PHP, Ruby, Lua. When I > punch in 'Pike programming language', I get this: "Hmm, your search doesn't > have enough data to show here." :-/ > > https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all=US=lua,ruby,Perl,PHP > I usually explain to people that Pike is an obscure, but excellent, language, with similarities to Python, C++, and various others, with a focus on networking. But it's impossible to sum up a programming language in a single sentence without omitting a lot of what makes it great :) ChrisA
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
1. I’m a new learner. It's interesting to see results on Google Trend comparing various high-level programming languages like Perl, PHP, Ruby, Lua. When I punch in 'Pike programming language', I get this: "Hmm, your search doesn't have enough data to show here." :-/ https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all=US=lua,ruby,Perl,PHP Cheers, Gary On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 1:28 PM Duke Normandin wrote: > On Sat, 21 May 2022 00:02:17 +1000 > Chris Angelico wrote: > > > > My Twitch channel bot runs its own web interface, if that counts. > > > > https://sikorsky.rosuav.com/ > > > > I take advantage of Pike features to run that site with real-time > > updates (via websockets) that slide to the latest code every time > > I do an update (even without reconnecting the socket). Very handy > > when live-streaming code changes (although I do occasionally > > manage to segfault it). > > Goes to show that Pike has the necessary horsepower. It seems that > very few people globally know about its strength and potential. > > -- > Duke > ** Text only please. Bottom post works best for me ** > >
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Sat, 21 May 2022 00:02:17 +1000 Chris Angelico wrote: > My Twitch channel bot runs its own web interface, if that counts. > > https://sikorsky.rosuav.com/ > > I take advantage of Pike features to run that site with real-time > updates (via websockets) that slide to the latest code every time > I do an update (even without reconnecting the socket). Very handy > when live-streaming code changes (although I do occasionally > manage to segfault it). Goes to show that Pike has the necessary horsepower. It seems that very few people globally know about its strength and potential. -- Duke ** Text only please. Bottom post works best for me **
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 23:51, Duke Normandin wrote: > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:55:32 +0200 > "Stephen R. van den Berg" wrote: > > > Duke Normandin wrote: > > >Awesome! So it seems to me that Pike should be able to give Ruby, > > >PHP, Perl, Python etc a good run for their money in the Web > > >backends domain. > > > > It does, actually. > > It's odd then that Pike is never mentioned on Slashdot or Hacker > News etc! There's not even an IRC channel for it. Other than your > own site, do you know of any others besides roxen.com? > My Twitch channel bot runs its own web interface, if that counts. https://sikorsky.rosuav.com/ I take advantage of Pike features to run that site with real-time updates (via websockets) that slide to the latest code every time I do an update (even without reconnecting the socket). Very handy when live-streaming code changes (although I do occasionally manage to segfault it). ChrisA
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
I've also written a couple things. A library for interfacing with spacewalk, and another for nessus security scanner. Plus a few random things here and there. Mostly quick and dirty things... On Friday, May 20, 2022, 09:23:10 AM EDT, Duke Normandin wrote: On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:55:32 +0200 "Stephen R. van den Berg" wrote: > Duke Normandin wrote: > >Awesome! So it seems to me that Pike should be able to give Ruby, > >PHP, Perl, Python etc a good run for their money in the Web > >backends domain. > > It does, actually. It's odd then that Pike is never mentioned on Slashdot or Hacker News etc! There's not even an IRC channel for it. Other than your own site, do you know of any others besides roxen.com? > > So what's kept it from being a strong contender? > > >I'm just wondering what's wrong with ti? The docs? The community > >somehow? Poor marketing? Not noob friendly? What? > > If you want to generalise (it's never good to generalise), I'd say > it is "poor marketing". Then again even that is a very loosely > defined term. Poor marketing was my first impression. That's why I suggested that the Pike language should show up on https://learnxinyminutes.com/. Free advertising and could be great advocacy. > I'm using it (very succesfully) for my own: > - Various custom data-conversion import/export scripts. > - Web backend to some websites. > - REST-API backend for some services (either high performance > or high security; it can excel in both). > - High performance custom SMTP server implementation. > - High performance interface to PostgreSQL (yes, Pike has better > database drivers than the standard libpq drivers that come with > PostgreSQL). > - To interface to the API of various cloudservices (e.g. Google > Cloudservice). Swell! Wouldn't your success be an inspiration for others to at least test-drive Pike? A real, juicy, no-holds-barred, language flame war would be just the thing! On IRC/Hackers News/Slashdot! LOL Just kidding! But you get the point hopefully. Exposure! Exposure! Exposure! Hopefully this would also result in more tutorials, How-Tos, etc and therefore more hits on search engines. My 2 cents/pence/farthings/et al -- Duke ** Text only please. Bottom post works best for me **
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:55:32 +0200 "Stephen R. van den Berg" wrote: > Duke Normandin wrote: > >Awesome! So it seems to me that Pike should be able to give Ruby, > >PHP, Perl, Python etc a good run for their money in the Web > >backends domain. > > It does, actually. It's odd then that Pike is never mentioned on Slashdot or Hacker News etc! There's not even an IRC channel for it. Other than your own site, do you know of any others besides roxen.com? > > So what's kept it from being a strong contender? > > >I'm just wondering what's wrong with ti? The docs? The community > >somehow? Poor marketing? Not noob friendly? What? > > If you want to generalise (it's never good to generalise), I'd say > it is "poor marketing". Then again even that is a very loosely > defined term. Poor marketing was my first impression. That's why I suggested that the Pike language should show up on https://learnxinyminutes.com/. Free advertising and could be great advocacy. > I'm using it (very succesfully) for my own: > - Various custom data-conversion import/export scripts. > - Web backend to some websites. > - REST-API backend for some services (either high performance > or high security; it can excel in both). > - High performance custom SMTP server implementation. > - High performance interface to PostgreSQL (yes, Pike has better > database drivers than the standard libpq drivers that come with > PostgreSQL). > - To interface to the API of various cloudservices (e.g. Google > Cloudservice). Swell! Wouldn't your success be an inspiration for others to at least test-drive Pike? A real, juicy, no-holds-barred, language flame war would be just the thing! On IRC/Hackers News/Slashdot! LOL Just kidding! But you get the point hopefully. Exposure! Exposure! Exposure! Hopefully this would also result in more tutorials, How-Tos, etc and therefore more hits on search engines. My 2 cents/pence/farthings/et al -- Duke ** Text only please. Bottom post works best for me **
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
Duke Normandin wrote: >Awesome! So it seems to me that Pike should be able to give Ruby, >PHP, Perl, Python etc a good run for their money in the Web >backends domain. It does, actually. > So what's kept it from being a strong contender? >I'm just wondering what's wrong with ti? The docs? The community >somehow? Poor marketing? Not noob friendly? What? If you want to generalise (it's never good to generalise), I'd say it is "poor marketing". Then again even that is a very loosely defined term. >I'm not trolling! I just want to get a sense of what Pike is all >about and where its heading. TIA ... I'm using it (very succesfully) for my own: - Various custom data-conversion import/export scripts. - Web backend to some websites. - REST-API backend for some services (either high performance or high security; it can excel in both). - High performance custom SMTP server implementation. - High performance interface to PostgreSQL (yes, Pike has better database drivers than the standard libpq drivers that come with PostgreSQL). - To interface to the API of various cloudservices (e.g. Google Cloudservice). -- Stephen.
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:06:23 +1100 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 4:00 PM Duke Normandin > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:53:56 +1100 > > Chris Angelico wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Good to know! This Pike noob was getting worried! It just > > > > seemed to me - at first glance - that Pike should be as > > > > popular in the Web development domain as Ruby for example. > > > > I was beginning to think that Pike was all but buried! > > > > > > Hmm, Pike's a bit more niche than Ruby, so it's never going > > > to be quite as popular or as visible. But it is incredibly > > > useful, and as such, won't die easily :) > > > > Out of curiosity, what IS Pike's niche? For some reason I always > > supposed that it was web back-ends. > > That and MUD servers, largely. It's also very good at eternal > uptime (since it makes on-the-fly updates easy). I use Pike for > my MUD server, my MUD client, my Twitch channel bot, and a > variety of other things. Of course, it's also a general-purpose > language with a rich standard library, so there'll be times when > it's the right choice even if it isn't specifically its niche > (for example, I have a savefile analyzer for Europa Universalis > IV written in Pike, partly to take advantage of socket services > and async I/O, and partly because of the LR Parser module). > > > BTW, IS there an IRC channel for Pike users? > > Not sure. I don't use IRC, other than for my Twitch bot. Awesome! So it seems to me that Pike should be able to give Ruby, PHP, Perl, Python etc a good run for their money in the Web backends domain. So what's kept it from being a strong contender? I'm just wondering what's wrong with ti? The docs? The community somehow? Poor marketing? Not noob friendly? What? I'm not trolling! I just want to get a sense of what Pike is all about and where its heading. TIA ... -- Duke
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 4:00 PM Duke Normandin wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:53:56 +1100 > Chris Angelico wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Good to know! This Pike noob was getting worried! It just > > > seemed to me - at first glance - that Pike should be as popular > > > in the Web development domain as Ruby for example. I was > > > beginning to think that Pike was all but buried! > > > > Hmm, Pike's a bit more niche than Ruby, so it's never going to be > > quite as popular or as visible. But it is incredibly useful, and > > as such, won't die easily :) > > Out of curiosity, what IS Pike's niche? For some reason I always > supposed that it was web back-ends. That and MUD servers, largely. It's also very good at eternal uptime (since it makes on-the-fly updates easy). I use Pike for my MUD server, my MUD client, my Twitch channel bot, and a variety of other things. Of course, it's also a general-purpose language with a rich standard library, so there'll be times when it's the right choice even if it isn't specifically its niche (for example, I have a savefile analyzer for Europa Universalis IV written in Pike, partly to take advantage of socket services and async I/O, and partly because of the LR Parser module). > BTW, IS there an IRC channel for Pike users? Not sure. I don't use IRC, other than for my Twitch bot. ChrisA
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:53:56 +1100 Chris Angelico wrote: [snip] > > Good to know! This Pike noob was getting worried! It just > > seemed to me - at first glance - that Pike should be as popular > > in the Web development domain as Ruby for example. I was > > beginning to think that Pike was all but buried! > > Hmm, Pike's a bit more niche than Ruby, so it's never going to be > quite as popular or as visible. But it is incredibly useful, and > as such, won't die easily :) Out of curiosity, what IS Pike's niche? For some reason I always supposed that it was web back-ends. BTW, IS there an IRC channel for Pike users? -- Duke
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 3:43 PM Duke Normandin wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:04:47 +1100 > Chris Angelico wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 2:57 PM Duke Normandin > > wrote: > > > > > > Long time passing ... > > > > > > Is this list/language THAT dead? > > > No community chatter? At all? No users? > > > > > > Maybe everybody is on IRC maybe? Is there an IRC Pike channel? > > > > > > > It's been pretty quiet here. The language itself still sees > > changes though, and I'm currently browsing the 34 commits since I > > last pulled. So the language isn't dead even if the mailing list > > is quiet. > > Good to know! This Pike noob was getting worried! It just seemed to > me - at first glance - that Pike should be as popular in the Web > development domain as Ruby for example. I was beginning to think > that Pike was all but buried! Hmm, Pike's a bit more niche than Ruby, so it's never going to be quite as popular or as visible. But it is incredibly useful, and as such, won't die easily :) ChrisA
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:04:47 +1100 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 2:57 PM Duke Normandin > wrote: > > > > Long time passing ... > > > > Is this list/language THAT dead? > > No community chatter? At all? No users? > > > > Maybe everybody is on IRC maybe? Is there an IRC Pike channel? > > > > It's been pretty quiet here. The language itself still sees > changes though, and I'm currently browsing the 34 commits since I > last pulled. So the language isn't dead even if the mailing list > is quiet. Good to know! This Pike noob was getting worried! It just seemed to me - at first glance - that Pike should be as popular in the Web development domain as Ruby for example. I was beginning to think that Pike was all but buried! -- Duke
Re: Where have all the Pikers gone?
On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 2:57 PM Duke Normandin wrote: > > Long time passing ... > > Is this list/language THAT dead? > No community chatter? At all? No users? > > Maybe everybody is on IRC maybe? Is there an IRC Pike channel? > It's been pretty quiet here. The language itself still sees changes though, and I'm currently browsing the 34 commits since I last pulled. So the language isn't dead even if the mailing list is quiet. ChrisA
Where have all the Pikers gone?
Long time passing ... Is this list/language THAT dead? No community chatter? At all? No users? Maybe everybody is on IRC maybe? Is there an IRC Pike channel? -- Duke
