Re: [pinhole-discussion] process vs product
I find this beginning thread very interesting. Process is at the root of what we do as pinholers. This is a craftmanship process which leads to a product that is in many ways unique. Much more so than in lens photography, although there can be a lot of process in lens photography. But I tend to think that lens photographers look for the ability to consistently REPEAT the process, whereas, to me pinhole photography is more an exploration of how far the process allows me to go without breaking down. Guy fot...@aol.com wrote: > Don't forget presentation. i.e. process, product, presentation. > Richard Rodgers > fot...@aol.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] process vs product
Don't forget presentation. i.e. process, product, presentation. Richard Rodgers fot...@aol.com
[pinhole-discussion] Updated website
Shameless self promotion - I have finally updated my website. I think most of the pinhole and zone plate work has been shown already, but if anyone wants to look, visit www.tinamartin.com (no more banner ads!) Tina _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
I'm (re)taking basic photo in high school because of a schedule conflict... I would say that the majority of the people in the class are just there because it's an easy class to get out of. 10 min into the period, most of the class is out "taking pictures." I don't really mind because it leaves the lab free :) Now they're cutting electives so the people who want to take it because they like photography have less of a chance of getting it. John - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks > What is it with these students? Or rather, at what age do you begin to be a > student with awareness of the process and your responsibilities? Same at my > high school teaching gig. . . Lot's of excuses. How's adult ed? > -Barb > p.s. "How's "Keep on Pinholin" Tom doing? Haven't seen him on the list lately. > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
What is it with these students? Or rather, at what age do you begin to be a student with awareness of the process and your responsibilities? Same at my high school teaching gig. . . Lot's of excuses. How's adult ed? -Barb p.s. "How's "Keep on Pinholin" Tom doing? Haven't seen him on the list lately.
[pinhole-discussion] process vs product
My undergraduate major was printmaking, specifically lithography. My professor once told me that it doesn't matter what you do or how hard the process is...it's the end result that people see. Well, that's true cause all we see of each other are the postings/jpegs, the websites, the Worldwide Pinhole Photography photographs that are starting to arrive. I love those and revel in the beauty, the quality and the creativity that is manifest on the paper or computer screen. But I love just as much the smell of my old Speed Graphic, the bumps and pokes of my balsa wood pinhole camera, the smooth texture of the Zero2000, the smell of the chemistry in the darkroom and the joyous wonder of the latent image that slowly comes into being in the tray of developer. There is no VERSUS here...the entire front to back experience is awesome. That's why I love this group, too. Rosanne
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
In defense of hardware geeks, different people photograph different things. Some subjects others photograph do not interest me. However, we may have a common ground in regard to the hardware used and we might find be able to share techniques that improve both our respective photographs. Not every hardware geek expects the latest hardware to improve his photograph or his eye. New hardware might make the capture of an image easier. I started taking picture with my mother's Kodak Brownie Special. The cutest little Bakelite camera taking 8 pictures on 127 roll film. I learned to develop film and make contact prints and later enlargements because I used that camera. When I got my Lubitel 2 I talked shutter speeds and f-stops. I did the same when I got my Exa 1a. Never did I forget that my eye and my brain were essential to a good photograph. There are many nitwits who assume that the more expensive the camera the better. Remember those folks probabily did even read the instruction manual. So don't abuse us hardware geeks-we're not all stupid. James Johnston
[pinhole-discussion] Hardware or Art?
I found this somewhere a long time ago, figured it was appropriate now: "This reminds me of a true story of a famous photographer, who was well known for his amazing portrait shots who was commissioned to photograph a famous newspaper reporter. The photographer took the reporter's portrait and when he saw it a few days later, exclaimed how great it was and how easy it must have been to take with such an expensive camera. The photographer returned the compliment by mentioning how easy it must be to write great stories with that expensive typewriter!" Regards, MG
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
THANKS TINA Ballard On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:55:47 "Tina Martin" writes: > We all have a bit of the hardware geek in us, or we wouldn't be > building > (and dismantling) all these cameras! > Guess my point was that people shouldn't get hung up on the 'right > or wrong' > way to do things, although craft IS important if you care about your > work. > Long live geeks of all stripes! > Tina > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "William Erickson" > > > > > > > Our fathers house has many mansions. In any interest groups > there's > >always > > > the hardware nuts and the process geeks. Honor our brothers. > (Sort of > > > delphic, don't you think?) > > > >Amen to that! > > > >That's the way it's always been in this group, I would say. > > > >Guillermo > >Future Mansion occupant!! > > > > > >___ > >Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > >Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > >unsubscribe or change your account at > >http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
I like equipment. I like finished photos. There are a lot of different cameras in the world. There are a lot of different people using them in a lot of different ways. The only photographer I need to view critically is myself. Ballard
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
We all have a bit of the hardware geek in us, or we wouldn't be building (and dismantling) all these cameras! Guess my point was that people shouldn't get hung up on the 'right or wrong' way to do things, although craft IS important if you care about your work. Long live geeks of all stripes! Tina - Original Message - From: "William Erickson" > Our fathers house has many mansions. In any interest groups there's always > the hardware nuts and the process geeks. Honor our brothers. (Sort of > delphic, don't you think?) Amen to that! That's the way it's always been in this group, I would say. Guillermo Future Mansion occupant!! ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
- Original Message - From: "William Erickson" > Our fathers house has many mansions. In any interest groups there's always > the hardware nuts and the process geeks. Honor our brothers. (Sort of > delphic, don't you think?) Amen to that! That's the way it's always been in this group, I would say. Guillermo Future Mansion occupant!!
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Portra Portra
- Original Message - From: "Tom Miller" > same way as the Pro100T. Shooting in daylight, the Portra 100T has a > strong blue cast throughout the light areas of the image Here is possible explanation: Blue wavelength scatters more than Red (at the opposite end of the visible spectrum), that's why the sky looks Blue. ZonePlate imaging is based on diffraction of light and it is possible that Blue wavelength also diffracts more than Red, causing your blue cast images. The characteristic zoneplate effect is more noticeable on the highlights of the image, so it makes sense (2me) you noticing more blue cast on the light areas. Guillermo. Theoretically: a geek Practically: a normal pinholer (whatever that is!!) :-)
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
Our fathers house has many mansions. In any interest groups there's always the hardware nuts and the process geeks. Honor our brothers. (Sort of delphic, don't you think?) - Original Message - From: Mike Vande Bunt To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks > Yes. That's why I dropped out of the Toy Camera group. > The whole idea behind using a poor quality plastic lensed > camera is to show that one can make a good photo (though > perhaps not a sharp photo...) with poor quality equipment. > It forces the photographer to concentrate on the photographic > process in a way that is absent when a super high-tech auto > everything camera is doing the "work." > > The problem was that many of the Toy Camera group members > were just as fixated on the "hardware" (Chinese plastic, instead > of Swedish steel...) as the Hassy fanatics. > > Mike Vande Bunt > > > Tina Martin wrote: > > > Well,you know, a lot of people hide behind the equipment question and think > > that if only they had the "right" or a "really good" camera they could be > > great photographers. What is really missing is the confidence in themselves > > and their own vision. They don't really believe it's the person that clicks > > the shutter (removes the lenscap?)that creates the magic. Too bad they are > > afraid to screw up, to allow that old serendipidy to happen. > > Tina > > > > > >They weren't the least bit interested, when I showed them the cap and my > > >zone plate matted (and hand colored) images.< > > > > > >Not supprizing, they are all hardware geeks. They are in love with the > > >machines, and not the images they produce. Photographs are only an excuse > > >to play with their toys. When I run into people that only wan't to talk > > >about their cameras and lenses my responce has become - show me what you > > >have done, not what you own. Kurt > > > > _ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
Photography is a craft, the camera a photographer's most important tool. Craftsman rightly have a deep respect for their tools--love their tools even--, but any craftsman should know that he will be judged by the results of his labor, not by the tools he puts to use. Honor your gadgets (whether high-tech chunks of electronically controlled plastic or handmade cardboard cameras without lenses), but don't use them as excuses. In Japan there is an apt saying "Kobo Daishi never chose his brush." (Kobo Daishi was a famous Buddhist priest noted for his beautiful calligraphy.) The idea, of course, is that Kobo Daishi never used his tools as an excuse. He wrote beautifully with whatever was at hand. Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
In a message dated 3/22/01 1:54:14 AM, norl...@aol.com writes: << Gee Mr. Norlin I've been gone for two weeks -did I miss anything?" "No dear, we just put the class on pause waiting for your return." Some days I almost wish I was back in the infantry. :-) >> Painfully familiar. leezy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
Sorry if I was a little hard on the hardware geeks. Least anyone think I am anti-tech, I work mostly in digital imaging, teach digital photography, and am currently plotting how to get my grubby hands on an Olympus E-10 camera. My only excuse is that it's almost the end of the quarter, and I am having to deal with students that don't seem to make a connection between output and grades. " Gee Mr. Norlin I've been gone for two weeks -did I miss anything?" "No dear, we just put the class on pause waiting for your return." Some days I almost wish I was back in the infantry. :-) Happy Trails, Kurt Norlin
[pinhole-discussion] Portra Portra
(This is part of a message sent to the list last week; but I think the list server was down at the time. Just in case this seems familiar...) Dear All, I've used Kodak Pro100T 4x5 tungsten balanced film for color pinhole and zone plate for three years and started using it because it was made for longer exposures. Shooting in daylight, the Pro100T produced excellent, realistic color. Without thinking and testing first, I bought a large box of Portra 100T and used it the same way as the Pro100T. Shooting in daylight, the Portra 100T has a strong blue cast throughout the light areas of the image. This could be from shooting outdoors in winter or it could be the atrocious light this time of year (at 45N 93W) or it could be an artifact of the film itself. Does anyone have experience with the Portra 100T? Have you noticed the blue cast? It's expected using T films in lens photography; but I was surprised at how strong it is in the Portra film, since it wasn't there in the old Pro100T. The blue cast sure makes the winter scenes cold... Since writing the last paragraph, I bought a small box of Portra NC (daylight) film, made some exposures over the weekend and some proof prints this evening The proofs look like there is a better color balance that the Portra T (although it tended toward magenta in the proofs, anyway). If you could share your experiences with Portra, I'd appreciate it. (Hope I'm not being a film geek and that this information will be helpful to others on the list.) Many thanks, Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
Yes. That's why I dropped out of the Toy Camera group. The whole idea behind using a poor quality plastic lensed camera is to show that one can make a good photo (though perhaps not a sharp photo...) with poor quality equipment. It forces the photographer to concentrate on the photographic process in a way that is absent when a super high-tech auto everything camera is doing the "work." The problem was that many of the Toy Camera group members were just as fixated on the "hardware" (Chinese plastic, instead of Swedish steel...) as the Hassy fanatics. Mike Vande Bunt Tina Martin wrote: > Well,you know, a lot of people hide behind the equipment question and think > that if only they had the "right" or a "really good" camera they could be > great photographers. What is really missing is the confidence in themselves > and their own vision. They don't really believe it's the person that clicks > the shutter (removes the lenscap?)that creates the magic. Too bad they are > afraid to screw up, to allow that old serendipidy to happen. > Tina > > > >They weren't the least bit interested, when I showed them the cap and my > >zone plate matted (and hand colored) images.< > > > >Not supprizing, they are all hardware geeks. They are in love with the > >machines, and not the images they produce. Photographs are only an excuse > >to play with their toys. When I run into people that only wan't to talk > >about their cameras and lenses my responce has become - show me what you > >have done, not what you own. Kurt > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
