Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #400 - 16 msgs
- Original Message - From: "HypoBob" > You have the kind of wonderfully twisted mind that is an asset in pinhole > photograhpy. However, I think Skip has a point -- there may not be any B&W > processing chemicals around in 50 to 100 years, so > you had better leave a bottle of Rodinal down there too ;-) . I am actually more worried of not being able to play my CDs than not being able to develop film. Even if "Armageddon" survivors are not be able to find D76 or Rodinal, I think the raw materials of today's chems (Sodium Sulfite, Metol , Hydroquinone, etc) will still be around. I'll make sure I add the formulas for some developers and fixers together with the film. I didn't mention stop bath, 'cause I am pretty sure vinegar still be around forever! Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #400 - 16 msgs
Although the packaged chemicals might not be around, the individual chemicals will be. Just mix your ownif you're here 50 years from now. Ed On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, HypoBob wrote: > > > > Guillermo, > > You have the kind of wonderfully twisted mind that is an asset in pinhole > photograhpy. However, I think Skip has a point -- there may not be any B&W > processing chemicals around in 50 to 100 years, so > you had better leave a bottle of Rodinal down there too ;-) . > > Bob > > > > > > Message: 14 > > From: "Guillermo" > > To: > > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Storage of unprocessed photo paper > > negatives > > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:23:55 -0400 > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > > > > All this "talk" makes me want to expose some B&W film, leave it in the = > > pinhole camera and store it away in my crawling space, which happens to = > > be dark, dry and cool. I'd also add some information about the pinhole = > > "technology". Hopefully some descendant of mine would find the film = > > after I am gone, process it and get a nice surprise!! > > > > I don't know if people did store the camera/film on purpose, but I = > > don't see anything wrong in doing it purposely, it'll be like a time = > > capsule...I think I will do it! > > > > Guillermo > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] in 50 years?
In 1953 I made a pinhole exposure with one of the Kodak cardboard kit pinhole cameras, of my father standing at the base of the American Niagra Falls. I believe it was a 10 second exposure on 3 1/4x 4 1/4 Kodak Super Panchro Press Type B film. I kept the camera, with that film, in a dark place since 1953. Some day soon I'm going to process the film. I'm thinking about doing it in Kodak Xtol. Any other suggestions? Ed
[pinhole-discussion] Re: Storage of unprocessed photo paper negatives
Dennis, I have wrestled with this problem in the past. Last summer my wife dragged me off on an Alaskan cruise, and I took about a dozen pinhole panoramics on Ilford MGIV RC paper. It was nearly a week before I developed them (in Dektol) and they all came out nearly black -- the only negatives I have ever had to do this. I am sure that paper emulsions, unlike film emulsions, are not designed for extended excursions between the enlarger and the developing tray. Therefore, I shot another negative, cut it in half, developed one half and waited a week to develop the other half. In my test the second half did come out slightly darker, but the effect was so slight that it could have been due to change in developer activity or some other such darkroom inconsistency. Anyway, I was convinced that the one week delay in processing did not cause my problem, but I never looked any further into what kind of time delay could affect paper. Maybe every 25 years we could sneak down into Guillermo's crawl space and snip off a piece of one of his negatives for a test ;-) . Bob > On Monday, July 30, 2001, Dennis Johanson wrote: > > In order to rationalize (not a word that comes naturally when speaking > > about pinhole photography) the handling of my pinhole photography I hope > > that someone could be kind enough to help med with > > the following: > > > How long can exposed photo paper used as negative be stored before > > processing? > > > Any special storage requirements? > > > Good shooting!
[pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #400 - 16 msgs
> Guillermo, You have the kind of wonderfully twisted mind that is an asset in pinhole photograhpy. However, I think Skip has a point -- there may not be any B&W processing chemicals around in 50 to 100 years, so you had better leave a bottle of Rodinal down there too ;-) . Bob > Message: 14 > From: "Guillermo" > To: > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Storage of unprocessed photo paper negatives > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:23:55 -0400 > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > > All this "talk" makes me want to expose some B&W film, leave it in the = > pinhole camera and store it away in my crawling space, which happens to = > be dark, dry and cool. I'd also add some information about the pinhole = > "technology". Hopefully some descendant of mine would find the film = > after I am gone, process it and get a nice surprise!! > > I don't know if people did store the camera/film on purpose, but I = > don't see anything wrong in doing it purposely, it'll be like a time = > capsule...I think I will do it! > > Guillermo
[pinhole-discussion] in 50 years?
Will there still be processing chemicals in 50 years? skip Skip, don't EVEN go there. The worms will burst out of every pinhole can on the list! Rosanne
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Storage of unprocessed photo paper negatives
Will there still be processing chemicals in 50 years.? skip At 08:23 PM 8/2/01 -0400, you wrote: >All this "talk" makes me want to expose some B&W film, leave it in the pinhole camera and store it away in my crawling space, which happens to be dark, dry and cool. I'd also add some information about the pinhole "technology". Hopefully some descendant of mine would find the film after I am gone, process it and get a nice surprise!! > >I don't know if people did store the camera/film on purpose, but I don't see anything wrong in doing it purposely, it'll be like a time capsule...I think I will do it! > >Guillermo > > >- Original Message - >From: "Mike Vande Bunt" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:36 AM >Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Storage of unprocessed photo paper negatives > > >> Several months ago there was an article in (iirc) Popular Photography >> about someone who found his Grandmother's camera in a trunk in the >> attic with film still in it. Not expecting much, he had the film developed. >> Evidently, she was very frugal with her use of film -- the photos turned >> out to have been taken starting in 1919 and ending in 1933. All the >> shots came out, despite the fact that the camera had been packed >> away with a bunch of old clothes for over 60 years! > > >___ >Pinhole-Discussion mailing list >Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? >unsubscribe or change your account at >http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Storage of unprocessed photo paper negatives
All this "talk" makes me want to expose some B&W film, leave it in the pinhole camera and store it away in my crawling space, which happens to be dark, dry and cool. I'd also add some information about the pinhole "technology". Hopefully some descendant of mine would find the film after I am gone, process it and get a nice surprise!! I don't know if people did store the camera/film on purpose, but I don't see anything wrong in doing it purposely, it'll be like a time capsule...I think I will do it! Guillermo - Original Message - From: "Mike Vande Bunt" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Storage of unprocessed photo paper negatives > Several months ago there was an article in (iirc) Popular Photography > about someone who found his Grandmother's camera in a trunk in the > attic with film still in it. Not expecting much, he had the film developed. > Evidently, she was very frugal with her use of film -- the photos turned > out to have been taken starting in 1919 and ending in 1933. All the > shots came out, despite the fact that the camera had been packed > away with a bunch of old clothes for over 60 years!
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
- Original Message - From: "Jeff Dilcher" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? > > I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. > > Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity > failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures > would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. > > I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am > not to up to speed on what color films are notable today... > > > > Agfa Optimo, hands down. S. Shapiro
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
I had good luck earlier this year using 4x5 Portra 160 NC and also 4x5 Portra 100T using an 85B filter (after getting good advice from list members on the topic). A Kodak help-line technician (who is also a pinholer) told me that Portra daylight film (and I honestly can't remember if he said 160 or 400) can take a 10-second exposure without reciprocity failure. The tungsten film can go longer without reciprocity failure. E6 Tungsten film cross-processed to C41 produces brilliantly colored prints. The color is surprizingly true, although definitely leaning toward surrealistic. - Original Message - From: "William Erickson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > Does Portra come in 4x5. It has good reciprocity characteristics. Color > slide film, I'm told, is near impossible for pinhole because of narrow > exposure latitude. > - Original Message - > From: Jeff Dilcher > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:49 PM > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > > > > Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? > > > > I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. > > > > Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity > > failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures > > would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. > > > > I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am > > not to up to speed on what color films are notable today... > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.???/discussion/ > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Does Portra come in 4x5. It has good reciprocity characteristics. Color slide film, I'm told, is near impossible for pinhole because of narrow exposure latitude. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? > > I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. > > Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity > failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures > would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. > > I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am > not to up to speed on what color films are notable today... > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
[pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am not to up to speed on what color films are notable today...
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Storage of unprocessed photo paper negatives
Several months ago there was an article in (iirc) Popular Photography about someone who found his Grandmother's camera in a trunk in the attic with film still in it. Not expecting much, he had the film developed. Evidently, she was very frugal with her use of film -- the photos turned out to have been taken starting in 1919 and ending in 1933. All the shots came out, despite the fact that the camera had been packed away with a bunch of old clothes for over 60 years! That was B&W film; I doubt the same kind of life would be found in color film . . . and this may have zero relevance to photographic paper. Mike Vande Bunt Scott Sellers wrote: > > I believe once the silver halides are exposed, they become less > stable, and remain so until developed/fixed. I don't know > the effects on the image, or what time frame we're > talking about. In any case, I think keeping the paper/film cool > becomes even more important after it is exposed. >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Storage of unprocessed photo paper negatives
In a message dated 8/1/01 4:24:33 PM, zin...@telenet.net writes: << We developed it N+1 and the negatives came out beautifully after waiting 43 years! Jim K >> Unbelievable. and good to know. Thanks. leezy
