Re: [pinhole-discussion] Fluorescent lamp UV content

2001-10-16 Thread Gordon J. Holtslander
Standard cool-white warm-white tubes do not emit significant UV light - at
least for exposing alternative process media.

Black light(bL) and blacklight blue (BBL) tubes are commonly used to
expose alternative media.

It likely possible to prepare and handle most alternative process
materials under standard home and office type tubes without fogging the
material.  But there are always exceptions.  I wouldn't leave alternative
process materials exposed to flourescent lights over the long term though
- this would likely end up fogging the material.

Gord

On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Murray wrote:

 As far as man-made lights go, fluorescent lamps are second only to the
 various discharge lamps (metal vapor, HID, etc) for UV production, and these
 are only exceeded by sunlight.

 Fluorescents produce UV in their internal arc, and the coating on the inside
 of the lamp absorbs the UV and creates visible light.

 UV-filter sleeves filter about 99% of the UV.I'm reluctant to say how much
 UV is in the spectrum of fluorescent lamps because I can't remember how it's
 specified, so ignoring units, I think it was in the few to several percent
 range...enough to cause long term fading of artwork and fabric, but I can't
 say how much for cyanotype.

 In general, fluorescent lamps should be considered a significant UV source.

 Murray


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Fluorescent lamp UV content

2001-10-16 Thread George L Smyth
--- Murray upt...@uptowngallery.org wrote:
 As far as man-made lights go, fluorescent lamps are second only to the
 various discharge lamps (metal vapor, HID, etc) for UV production, and these
 are only exceeded by sunlight.
 
 Fluorescents produce UV in their internal arc, and the coating on the inside
 of the lamp absorbs the UV and creates visible light.

My first light box was made with regular flourescent lights, but I found that
they really didn't give me the quantity of ultraviolet that would allow for
reasonable time exposures.  I've recently built one with black lights and the
results are considerably better - about 10 minutes or so for cyanotype.

The sun works as a good starting point, but one will find more consistency and
higher contrast with a flourescent bank.

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Re: [pinhole-discussion] salted paper

2001-10-16 Thread George L Smyth
--- John Yeo jonn...@thegrid.net wrote:
 Could you check that url?  I get a dns error, and would really like to see
 the book.
 
  One of the best references is James Reilly's book The Albumen  Salted
  Paper Book.  This is out of print.  Fortunately it has recently been put
  online at http://albumen.stanford.edu/library/monographs/reilly/

It works for me.

I've got a copy of the book, but it took a bit of doing.  I'm glad to see that
it is available to everyone.  Personally, I'm still working on albumen without
the success I wish I could see, but it's a long learning process (not as simple
as salted paper).

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Re: [pinhole-discussion] salted paper

2001-10-16 Thread George L Smyth
--- Gordon J. Holtslander hol...@duke.usask.ca wrote:
[clip]
 Silver Nitrate is expensive at artcraft chemicals
 http://www.artcraftchemicals.com its ~ $60.00 for 100 grams.  That is
 enough to make almost a litre of the siver nitrate solution.  You would
 likely be able to sensitize at least 50 8x10 probably more with this.  It
 costs no more than standard photographic paper would.
[clip]

I just thought that I would put in an additional nod to Artcraft, where I have
been buying chemicals for some time.  Their prices (and shipping) are quite
reasonable, and they are willing to sell you small quantities.

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[pinhole-discussion] Fluorescent lamp UV content

2001-10-16 Thread Murray
As far as man-made lights go, fluorescent lamps are second only to the
various discharge lamps (metal vapor, HID, etc) for UV production, and these
are only exceeded by sunlight.

Fluorescents produce UV in their internal arc, and the coating on the inside
of the lamp absorbs the UV and creates visible light.

UV-filter sleeves filter about 99% of the UV.I'm reluctant to say how much
UV is in the spectrum of fluorescent lamps because I can't remember how it's
specified, so ignoring units, I think it was in the few to several percent
range...enough to cause long term fading of artwork and fabric, but I can't
say how much for cyanotype.

In general, fluorescent lamps should be considered a significant UV source.

Murray




Re: [pinhole-discussion] salted paper

2001-10-16 Thread Gordon J. Holtslander
Hi

The url works for me.  Must be a bad reference in a DNS server you access

Try:

http://171.64.128.245/library/monographs/reilly/

Gord

On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, John Yeo wrote:

 Could you check that url?  I get a dns error, and would really like to see
 the book.

  One of the best references is James Reilly's book The Albumen  Salted
  Paper Book.  This is out of print.  Fortunately it has recently been put
  online at http://albumen.stanford.edu/library/monographs/reilly/



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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: 126 Availability

2001-10-16 Thread JAMES301
 



Re: [pinhole-discussion] salted paper

2001-10-16 Thread B2MYOUNG
In a message dated 10/16/01 1:54:41 PM, hol...@duke.usask.ca writes:

 The Book of Alternative Photographic Processes by Christopher James. 

GREAT BOOK
leezy



Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: 126 Availability

2001-10-16 Thread Tom Miller
126 film is the same width as 35mm.  Once labs know this they're
usually OK with developing the film.

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 Where in the U.S. would one have 126 developed?

 Please forgive me if I'm showing my ignorance too boldly. I've been
curious
 about the 126 pinhole camera design, but didn't know how well the
format was
 supported.

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[pinhole-discussion] Re: 126 Availability

2001-10-16 Thread Rainbow Sky

Where in the U.S. would one have 126 developed?

Please forgive me if I'm showing my ignorance too boldly. I've been curious 
about the 126 pinhole camera design, but didn't know how well the format was 
supported.


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] salted paper

2001-10-16 Thread John Yeo
Could you check that url?  I get a dns error, and would really like to see
the book.

 One of the best references is James Reilly's book The Albumen  Salted
 Paper Book.  This is out of print.  Fortunately it has recently been put
 online at http://albumen.stanford.edu/library/monographs/reilly/





[pinhole-discussion] salted paper

2001-10-16 Thread Gordon J. Holtslander
Hi:

Salted paper prints would make a wonderful school project.  The chemistry
happens right before your eyes - its astonishing.

Salted paper is a printing out process.  You can see the image forming on
the paper as it is being exposed.  The image forms in a purplish color as
it exposeses.  When it develops the purple changes from purple to a
mottled orange, as it drys it gradually changes from the mottled orange to
a nice warm toned brown.

You could turn this into a chemistry lesson and have the students figure
out what is happening chemically at each stage.

In the sun it prints out in a few minutes.  Your students would likely
consider this to be very cool .

Because its UV sensitive all the prep work can be done under incandescent
lighting.

You could have your students make their own cameras - process their own
film, make their own paper and make their own prints.

One of the best references is James Reilly's book The Albumen  Salted
Paper Book.  This is out of print.  Fortunately it has recently been put
online at http://albumen.stanford.edu/library/monographs/reilly/

This is very comprehensive and may provide more information than students
want to deal with.

You may want to try one of the general alternative process books.

I have heard very good reviews of the recently published

The Book of Alternative Photographic Processes by Christopher James.

though I haven't seen it myself

Its at photoeye:
http://www.photoeye.com/templates/ShowDetails.cfm?RecordID=11771

Failing this there is always the classic Keepers of the Light - its long
out of print but should be in a library near you.

Silver Nitrate is expensive at artcraft chemicals
http://www.artcraftchemicals.com its ~ $60.00 for 100 grams.  That is
enough to make almost a litre of the siver nitrate solution.  You would
likely be able to sensitize at least 50 8x10 probably more with this.  It
costs no more than standard photographic paper would.

You could also buy a kit from photographers formulary, bostick sullivan,   etc 
etc...

Hmm you could even use ortho film from freestyle
( http://www.freestylecamera.com )  and Dave Soemarko's LC-1
developer.( http://members.aol.com/fotodave/Articles/LC-1.html ) You mix
LC-1 in two parts so one can alter the pH of the developer.  Changing the
pH changes the contrast of the negative.  Another project

Gord

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Chuck Flagg wrote:

 Much the same can be done for many of the alternative processes.  Salt
 prints are the next easiet.  They are a gorgeous warm brown tone.
 Developed in water - they must be fixed in a dilte fixer and washed.

 Gord

 Can you suggest some good information or sources fornext easiet Salt
 Prints?  I'm looking for a new project for my high school photo classes.
 They sound very interesting.
 Chuck Flagg



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[pinhole-discussion] Re: 126 Availability

2001-10-16 Thread Tom Miller
Earlier I wrote:

 126 format film is available again.  It is manufactured by Ferrania
 and sold under the Solaris film brand.  It is C41 film, ISO 200, 24
 exposure.  When I enquired about its availability in the United
 States, Ferrania told me that it is available soley through their
 distributer, Continent-Wide, in Toronto.

Apparently this film has been available in Europe.  I don't European
contact information.

Tom




[pinhole-discussion] 126 Availability

2001-10-16 Thread Tom Miller
Dear All,

126 format film is available again.  It is manufactured by Ferrania
and sold under the Solaris film brand.  It is C41 film, ISO 200, 24
exposure.  When I enquired about its availability in the United
States, Ferrania told me that it is available soley through their
distributer, Continent-Wide, in Toronto.  I called and ordered several
rolls; they were honest and told me that it is currently back-ordered;
but I should get it within 2 - 3 weeks.  I'll let you know how the
experiment goes when the film does arrive.  Current price $3.99 plus
shipping (silly me: I don't know if this is Canadian or U.S. dollars).

Contact info for Continent-Wide:
1-800-667-0293 voice; try x110
1-800-667-4278 fax
g...@continent-wide.com

Their web site is primitive and does not list the 126 film.

Tom




RE: [pinhole-discussion] Daylight Printer for BW Paper

2001-10-16 Thread George L Smyth
--- Chuck Flagg cfla...@home.com wrote:
 Much the same can be done for many of the alternative processes.  Salt
 prints are the next easiet.  They are a gorgeous warm brown tone.
 Developed in water - they must be fixed in a dilte fixer and washed.
 
 Gord
 
 Can you suggest some good information or sources fornext easiet Salt
 Prints?  I'm looking for a new project for my high school photo classes.
 They sound very interesting.
 Chuck Flagg

You can get a few ideas at
http://members.home.net/hmpi/AltProcess/Articles/AltArticles.htm, where a
number of possibilities are offered.

Cheers -

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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Daylight Printer for BW Paper

2001-10-16 Thread B2MYOUNG
In a message dated 10/15/01 11:28:06 PM, cfla...@home.com writes:

 Can you suggest some good information or sources fornext easiet Salt

Prints?  I'm looking for a new project for my high school photo classes.

They sound very interesting.

Chuck Flagg 

For Salt prints you require silver nitrate. Expensive!
leezy