RE: [pinhole-discussion] silver prints from digital files
I have made some lightjet prints and find them quite beautiful. These are certainly what many nature photographers are using for color output (for example Galen Rowell http://www.mountainlight.com/gallery.html and Bill Atkinson www.billatkinson.com/CatalogIndex.html ) Essentially the lightjet printer (www.cymbolic.com/products/lightjet5000.html) is a device that takes a digital file and uses lasers to paint the image onto photographic paper, making basically a digital enlarger. The printer is quite expensive and is only available at service beaurus like www.calypsoinc.com . Many people think the printer is ok but not stunning for BW printing it cannot resolve from 90% black to 100%. On the upside, if your photos have little info in that range, it works well. In addition it has the ability to print images upto 48 x 96. Mark www.interwalk.com/gallery.htm -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of ginab...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:01 PM To: pinhole-discussion Subject: [pinhole-discussion] silver prints from digital files Hello, > Hopefully this is helpful, but it must be humbly stated that > I know NOTHING about this process-- other than I recently attended a critique/seminar given by a photographer, Jean Miele, who uses a process called "lightjet" for outputs of his digital files to light-sensitive papers. There is a special "printer" that exposes the files to a traditional photographic paper or film using laser beams. the film or paper is then processed using traditional photo chemistry. I am not sure if this is a silver based process. Mr Miele's work is entirely black and white, but some of the websites mentioned that the process uses fuji crystal archive paper. A google search for "lightjet" turned up many leads if you have the time to explore further. The prints can be made extremely large. It sounds like an offshoot of the graphic arts and sign industry that has found a niche with fine arts photography. I have a few pinhole images that I thought would look great enlarged to 5 ft square and printed with this process but it is very expensive. > good luck, > Gina Bellando ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] silver prints from digital files
Hello, > Hopefully this is helpful, but it must be humbly stated that > I know NOTHING about this process-- other than I recently attended a critique/seminar given by a photographer, Jean Miele, who uses a process called "lightjet" for outputs of his digital files to light-sensitive papers. There is a special "printer" that exposes the files to a traditional photographic paper or film using laser beams. the film or paper is then processed using traditional photo chemistry. I am not sure if this is a silver based process. Mr Miele's work is entirely black and white, but some of the websites mentioned that the process uses fuji crystal archive paper. A google search for "lightjet" turned up many leads if you have the time to explore further. The prints can be made extremely large. It sounds like an offshoot of the graphic arts and sign industry that has found a niche with fine arts photography. I have a few pinhole images that I thought would look great enlarged to 5 ft square and printed with this process but it is very expensive. > good luck, > Gina Bellando
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Silver prints from digital files?
Procolor in Minneapol;is will do this for color, I don't know about B&W. it's www.procolor.com - Original Message - From: "Nick Dvoracek" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Silver prints from digital files? > Does anyone know if a vendor exists who outputs digital files to real > silver prints. Fiber would be great but I could live with RC. My > local camera store didn't know of any. I can't imagine there's a lot > of market, but you never know what someone might specialize in. > > I know there's been a lot of discussion of inkjet and other computer > output. We have a Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 7700 color laser printer > that puts out really good black and white print quality and can do it > on a wide variety of papers. Are people exhibiting these inkjet and > laser print images? Do juried shows accept them? > > Nick > -- > -- > Nick Dvoracek dvora...@uwosh.edu > Director of Media Services Voice: 920-424-7363 > University of Wisconsin OshkoshFax: 920-424-7324 > http://idea.uwosh.edu/media_services/home.html > http://idea.uwosh.edu/nick/handouts.htm > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Silver prints from digital files?
If you are looking to do your own, instructions can be found from a link on http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hmpi/Misc/MiscArticles.htm. Cheers - george --- Nick Dvoracek wrote: > Does anyone know if a vendor exists who outputs digital files to real > silver prints. Fiber would be great but I could live with RC. My > local camera store didn't know of any. I can't imagine there's a lot > of market, but you never know what someone might specialize in. > > I know there's been a lot of discussion of inkjet and other computer > output. We have a Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 7700 color laser printer > that puts out really good black and white print quality and can do it > on a wide variety of papers. Are people exhibiting these inkjet and > laser print images? Do juried shows accept them? > > Nick > -- > -- > Nick Dvoracek dvora...@uwosh.edu > Director of Media ServicesVoice: 920-424-7363 > University of Wisconsin OshkoshFax: 920-424-7324 > http://idea.uwosh.edu/media_services/home.html > http://idea.uwosh.edu/nick/handouts.htm > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ = Handmade Photographic Images - http://GLSmyth.com DRiP Investing - http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Silver prints from digital files?
Nick, I have just started down that road myself, and the guy who does my silver printing told me that he now has that capability to do so. He can print RC, fiber, or platinum. For my work, I do 8x10 black and white Polaroid transfers; scan them, have negs made and then print them to fiber in editions of 10. I use both pinhole and lens cameras for this technique. The company is called RichPrints owned by Rich Silha. He is a very pleasant man to do business with and a pleasure to talk to. His number is 612-338-7172 and he is located in Minneapolis. Hope this helps. Bill Mull- Nick Dvoracek wrote: > > Does anyone know if a vendor exists who outputs digital files to real > silver prints. Fiber would be great but I could live with RC. My > local camera store didn't know of any. I can't imagine there's a lot > of market, but you never know what someone might specialize in. > > I know there's been a lot of discussion of inkjet and other computer > output. We have a Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 7700 color laser printer > that puts out really good black and white print quality and can do it > on a wide variety of papers. Are people exhibiting these inkjet and > laser print images? Do juried shows accept them? > > Nick > -- > -- > Nick Dvoracek dvora...@uwosh.edu > Director of Media Services Voice: 920-424-7363 > University of Wisconsin OshkoshFax: 920-424-7324 > http://idea.uwosh.edu/media_services/home.html > http://idea.uwosh.edu/nick/handouts.htm > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] large format ortho
Hi: It seems to last for a while. So far I think I've preflashed film and shot it a week later and had good results. I'm testing this now :) - Its getting too dark here for pinhole shots by 5:00 pm - Since I work till then I'm only shooting on weekends. Since I have young kids I'm very busy weekends :( . I have some film that was flahsed last month in a camera waiting to be shot. If the pre-flashing acts like a normal latent image - it could last for years. Last year I found some sheet film holders with film. Turned out to be shots taken 8 years ago. They turned out fine. :) Gord On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, andy schmitt wrote: > Hi Gordon > How long does the effect last? Can I flash a bunch of film or do I have to > do it pretty much just before I use it sort of like a wet plate? > thanks > andy > > -Original Message- > From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? > [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Gordon J. > Holtslander > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:16 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] large format ortho > > > Hi: > > By providing a longer range and shorter exposure times, preflashing the > film allows ortho to record shadow details much more effecctively. > > > I use an enlarger, and an exposure timer to do this. Its just about the > only thing I use an enlarger for now :) > > I set the enlarger so that it will expose an area larger than the film I > use. I stop it down. > > To determine the flash duration I did a series of test exposures until I > found the longest exposure that would NOT fog the film once it was > developed. > > With my setup and developer its around 12 seconds. > > If you don't have an enlarger you may be able to do something like turn on > a very dim light - a 7 watt nightlight or something like that for a few > seconds. > > You essentially have to be able to illuminate the film under a very low > light level for an accurate amount of time. > > The amount of time is determined by finding the longest exposure the film > can tolerate without fogging. > > If you don't have a really accurate timer, you would have to use a dimmer > light source and expose it longer. > > I could probably get away without using my timer, and use my wrist watch, > or count to 10 etc. (all of this can be done under safelight) > > The film acts like it has a threshold of exposure. No latent image will > be formed until the exposure level has surpassed this theshold. > > For pinhole this means that while taking the picture, some time is spent > simply getting past the threshold without recording any image information. > If this theshold is surpassed prior to exposure (by pre-flashing) the > exposure times will be shorter - resulting in a "faster" film. > > ...snip > > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > - Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology hol...@duke.usask.ca112 Science Place http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsgUniversity of Saskatchewan Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 -
RE: [pinhole-discussion] large format ortho
Hi Gordon How long does the effect last? Can I flash a bunch of film or do I have to do it pretty much just before I use it sort of like a wet plate? thanks andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Gordon J. Holtslander Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:16 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] large format ortho Hi: By providing a longer range and shorter exposure times, preflashing the film allows ortho to record shadow details much more effecctively. I use an enlarger, and an exposure timer to do this. Its just about the only thing I use an enlarger for now :) I set the enlarger so that it will expose an area larger than the film I use. I stop it down. To determine the flash duration I did a series of test exposures until I found the longest exposure that would NOT fog the film once it was developed. With my setup and developer its around 12 seconds. If you don't have an enlarger you may be able to do something like turn on a very dim light - a 7 watt nightlight or something like that for a few seconds. You essentially have to be able to illuminate the film under a very low light level for an accurate amount of time. The amount of time is determined by finding the longest exposure the film can tolerate without fogging. If you don't have a really accurate timer, you would have to use a dimmer light source and expose it longer. I could probably get away without using my timer, and use my wrist watch, or count to 10 etc. (all of this can be done under safelight) The film acts like it has a threshold of exposure. No latent image will be formed until the exposure level has surpassed this theshold. For pinhole this means that while taking the picture, some time is spent simply getting past the threshold without recording any image information. If this theshold is surpassed prior to exposure (by pre-flashing) the exposure times will be shorter - resulting in a "faster" film. ...snip
Re: [pinhole-discussion] large format ortho
Hi: By providing a longer range and shorter exposure times, preflashing the film allows ortho to record shadow details much more effecctively. I use an enlarger, and an exposure timer to do this. Its just about the only thing I use an enlarger for now :) I set the enlarger so that it will expose an area larger than the film I use. I stop it down. To determine the flash duration I did a series of test exposures until I found the longest exposure that would NOT fog the film once it was developed. With my setup and developer its around 12 seconds. If you don't have an enlarger you may be able to do something like turn on a very dim light - a 7 watt nightlight or something like that for a few seconds. You essentially have to be able to illuminate the film under a very low light level for an accurate amount of time. The amount of time is determined by finding the longest exposure the film can tolerate without fogging. If you don't have a really accurate timer, you would have to use a dimmer light source and expose it longer. I could probably get away without using my timer, and use my wrist watch, or count to 10 etc. (all of this can be done under safelight) The film acts like it has a threshold of exposure. No latent image will be formed until the exposure level has surpassed this theshold. For pinhole this means that while taking the picture, some time is spent simply getting past the threshold without recording any image information. If this theshold is surpassed prior to exposure (by pre-flashing) the exposure times will be shorter - resulting in a "faster" film. On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Ricardo Wildberger Lisboa wrote: > Hi Gord, > > Just to clarify it, how do you pre flash these filmes ? I mean, what light > source, how long exposure, etc. Thanks, > > Ric. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Gordon J. Holtslander" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] large format ortho > > > > Hi: > > > > I use 8x10 ortho to make big negatives. I mostly print cyanotype though. > > The key is using a very low contrast developer. > > > > People have had success using a highly diluted print developer - such as > > dektol, selectol sprint etc. diluted (10:1 to 30:1). > > > > The ASA of the film is around 6 with these developers. > > > > I find these are still too contrasty with the ortho film I use (kpgraphics > > CGP) > > > > A very good low contrast developer formulated specifically for producing > > low contrast negatives from ortho film is Dave Soemarko's LC-1 developer > > > > http://members.aol.com/fotodave/Articles/LC-1.html > > > > This developer is not commerically made - you must mix it yourself. > > > > By varying the dilution and mix its possible to control the contrast > > effectively. > > > > LC-1 does result in a significant speed loss though - film processed in > > LC-1 has an ASA of 1. > > > > This does become an issue with very large format cameras, if your pinhole > > is small, the f stop is so small that the expsosure time can stretch to > > hours. > > > > You might try seeing how large of a pinhole you can tolerate (and its > > fuzziness) before you start shooting 16 x 20 > > > > I think an XTOL ascorbic acid based developer at a low pH seems to work > > better > > > > See Mytol http://www.jackspcs.com/mytol.htm > > > > Chemical Amount Units > > > > > > Distilled Water 750 ml > > Sodium Sulfite 60 g > > Sodium Metaborate 4 g > > Sodium Ascorbate 13 g > > Phenidone 0.15 g > > Sodium Metabisulfite 3 g > > Distilled water to make 1000 ml > > > > This formula mixed without the alkali agent (Sodium Metaborate) may work > better. > > > > I also find that pre-flashing the film at an exposure just less than > > something that would fog the film extends the range and sensitivity of > > the film. > > > > Testing with a Stouffer step tablet I'm able to get an 18 step negative. > > Using a similar developer to Mytol and preflashing the film. > > > > Gord > > > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Tim Midkiff wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > >Does anyone have firsthand experience using large format ortho film, > > > 16x20, in camera for gum prints? I've been doing a few the hard way, > > > making the first exposure, then making a high density neg then making > > > the gum prints. any ideas or suggestions, etc would be greatly > > > welcomed!!! > > > > > > thanks, tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > http://www.???/discussion/ > > > > > > > - > > Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology > > hol...@duke.usask.ca 112 Science Place > > http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsg University of Saskatchewan > > Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan > > Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 >
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Silver prints from digital files?
Nick, I've seen a couple of exhibits here in DC that were digital B&W prints, and they were impressive, although these were not the "typical" kind of fine art/landscape/portrait silver prints that one is used to seeing in galleries. I saw Donald Sultan's "Smoke Rings" series and I was blown away: these were huge images digitally printed into (4) 32"x32" square prints which were mounted without fames and borders, and arranged into huge 64" square images. These were very subtle prints of mostly dark bronze background and sinewy lit smoke (from a cigar?) in various amorphous shapes and compositions. It sounds strange but these 64" squares have sold a lot -- I know that several were sold in DC at about $10,000 per image. There was no technical information describing how these prints were done, other than "digital print." If you have a chance to see these check them out. For a sample of what I'm talking about see: http://www.newzones.com/dynamic/artist.asp?ArtistID=64 R.J. -Original Message- From: Nick Dvoracek [mailto:dvora...@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:08 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Silver prints from digital files? Does anyone know if a vendor exists who outputs digital files to real silver prints. Fiber would be great but I could live with RC. My local camera store didn't know of any. I can't imagine there's a lot of market, but you never know what someone might specialize in. I know there's been a lot of discussion of inkjet and other computer output. We have a Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 7700 color laser printer that puts out really good black and white print quality and can do it on a wide variety of papers. Are people exhibiting these inkjet and laser print images? Do juried shows accept them? Nick -- -- Nick Dvoracek dvora...@uwosh.edu Director of Media Services Voice: 920-424-7363 University of Wisconsin OshkoshFax: 920-424-7324 http://idea.uwosh.edu/media_services/home.html http://idea.uwosh.edu/nick/handouts.htm
[pinhole-discussion] Silver prints from digital files?
Does anyone know if a vendor exists who outputs digital files to real silver prints. Fiber would be great but I could live with RC. My local camera store didn't know of any. I can't imagine there's a lot of market, but you never know what someone might specialize in. I know there's been a lot of discussion of inkjet and other computer output. We have a Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 7700 color laser printer that puts out really good black and white print quality and can do it on a wide variety of papers. Are people exhibiting these inkjet and laser print images? Do juried shows accept them? Nick -- -- Nick Dvoracek dvora...@uwosh.edu Director of Media Services Voice: 920-424-7363 University of Wisconsin OshkoshFax: 920-424-7324 http://idea.uwosh.edu/media_services/home.html http://idea.uwosh.edu/nick/handouts.htm
Re: [pinhole-discussion] laurent carte
Hello Peter ! You may reach Laurent through his web-site at : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/laurent.carte/Index.html Laurent produces a very nice and interesting work and has published several beautiful artist's books ! Glad to help you, Peter ... Happy pinholing Jean ** Jean Daubas, auteur-photographe 16 rue de Bourg-Sec 25440 LIESLE France 06 81 53 12 89 / 03 81 57 50 13 j.daubas.ph...@free.fr - Original Message - From: "Peter Wiklund" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] laurent carte > Hello, > > I'm trying to get in contact with the French pinholer Laurent Carte. > Anyone who knows his e-mail (or are you even on the list...)? > > /peter
