Re: [pinhole-discussion] Dr. Scott Williams Coffee Developer
While Dr. Williams mentioned "Drano" as no longer containing KOH, a generic drain opener sold simply as "caustic soda" (Sodium Hydroxide, NaOH) used to be widely available at low cost ($17 a pound seems excessive). It may no longer be possible to find this harsh chemical in the local grocery store (where it WAS sold in the past!), but a quick search of hardware stores should turn some up. Both of these chemicals require carefull handling. Don't use ANY aluminum containers or utensils, and don't get a concentrated mixture on your hands (it will cause a burn). The mint leaf extract is interesting, and it doesn't need the caustic component. Much safer, one could conceivably drink the developer (before use, not after...). Mike Vande Bunt, former (reformed?) industrual chemist. "Michael Georgoff (SAL-US)" wrote: > Regarding Coffee Developer, I did exchange email back in April with Dr. > Scott Williams. It seemed pretty simple with Coffee, Baking Soda, and > Potassium Hydroxide ("added to pH 9.0"). Being chemically clueless, I > thought I'd ask him a few questions. > > Dr. Williams said: > > > ... We used real potassium hydroxide. As it turns out, > > you would have to use the "old" formulation of Drano, > > one where the active ingredient is sodium or potassium > > hydroxide. The new formulation does not contain this > > active ingredient in useful amounts > > > > On another note, we later found that mint leave extract > > - boiled extract from one store package of fresh mint > > leaves - works better than coffee and can be activated by > > just using sodium bicarbonate (again about a tablespoon > > full per liter) - much safer. > > I did learn later that Potassium Hydroxide is also known as Caustic Potash > ("Chemical compound with formula KOH. Pure potassium hydroxide forms white, > deliquescent crystals. For commercial and laboratory use it is usually in > the form of white pellets. A strong base, it dissolves readily in water, > giving off much heat and forming a strongly alkaline, caustic solution. It > is commonly called caustic potash. It closely resembles sodium hydroxide in > its chemical properties and has similar uses.") > > Genuine Potassium Hydroxide is available from www.bostick-sullivan.com, but > if anyone comes up with any substitutions for Potassium Hydroxide, let me > know (as I am still chemically clueless). Off-list replies welcome. > > Regards, > > Michael Georgoff > San Jose, CA > georg...@trendmicro.com > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Dr. Scott Williams Coffee Developer
SO now we are developing with herbal tea... andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Michael Georgoff (SAL-US) Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:35 PM To: 'pinhole-discussion@p at ???' Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Dr. Scott Williams Coffee Developer Regarding Coffee Developer, I did exchange email back in April with Dr. Scott Williams. It seemed pretty simple with Coffee, Baking Soda, and Potassium Hydroxide ("added to pH 9.0"). Being chemically clueless, I thought I'd ask him a few questions. Dr. Williams said: > ... We used real potassium hydroxide. As it turns out, > you would have to use the "old" formulation of Drano, > one where the active ingredient is sodium or potassium > hydroxide. The new formulation does not contain this > active ingredient in useful amounts > > On another note, we later found that mint leave extract > - boiled extract from one store package of fresh mint > leaves - works better than coffee and can be activated by > just using sodium bicarbonate (again about a tablespoon > full per liter) - much safer. I did learn later that Potassium Hydroxide is also known as Caustic Potash ("Chemical compound with formula KOH. Pure potassium hydroxide forms white, deliquescent crystals. For commercial and laboratory use it is usually in the form of white pellets. A strong base, it dissolves readily in water, giving off much heat and forming a strongly alkaline, caustic solution. It is commonly called caustic potash. It closely resembles sodium hydroxide in its chemical properties and has similar uses.") Genuine Potassium Hydroxide is available from www.bostick-sullivan.com, but if anyone comes up with any substitutions for Potassium Hydroxide, let me know (as I am still chemically clueless). Off-list replies welcome. Regards, Michael Georgoff San Jose, CA georg...@trendmicro.com ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Dr. Scott Williams Coffee Developer
Regarding Coffee Developer, I did exchange email back in April with Dr. Scott Williams. It seemed pretty simple with Coffee, Baking Soda, and Potassium Hydroxide ("added to pH 9.0"). Being chemically clueless, I thought I'd ask him a few questions. Dr. Williams said: > ... We used real potassium hydroxide. As it turns out, > you would have to use the "old" formulation of Drano, > one where the active ingredient is sodium or potassium > hydroxide. The new formulation does not contain this > active ingredient in useful amounts > > On another note, we later found that mint leave extract > - boiled extract from one store package of fresh mint > leaves - works better than coffee and can be activated by > just using sodium bicarbonate (again about a tablespoon > full per liter) - much safer. I did learn later that Potassium Hydroxide is also known as Caustic Potash ("Chemical compound with formula KOH. Pure potassium hydroxide forms white, deliquescent crystals. For commercial and laboratory use it is usually in the form of white pellets. A strong base, it dissolves readily in water, giving off much heat and forming a strongly alkaline, caustic solution. It is commonly called caustic potash. It closely resembles sodium hydroxide in its chemical properties and has similar uses.") Genuine Potassium Hydroxide is available from www.bostick-sullivan.com, but if anyone comes up with any substitutions for Potassium Hydroxide, let me know (as I am still chemically clueless). Off-list replies welcome. Regards, Michael Georgoff San Jose, CA georg...@trendmicro.com