Re: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5
--- bwphoto4...@aol.com wrote: > However, back to my original question - > > I mainly work in medium format, and some 35mm. While I understand the concept > of cut sheet film, and the whole idea of a film holder, and darkslides, and > loading it in darkness, I am still unsure as to the best type of film holder > to use with this particular camera. I think that the answer is that it really doesn't matter. I use old 4X5 and 8X10 film holders for my cameras without any problems. You can spend a lot and get nice new holders, or you can get some old wooden ones from eBay. The only concern with the older ones is that they are light-tight, which they should be if not broken. Ask the seller if there are any leakage problems. You shouldn't need to pay more than $10 for a sheet film holder. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5
In a message dated 12/5/2001 9:18:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, aschm...@warwick.net writes: << but what do you do when it's raining... 8o) >> Hey, developing and printing, of course! ;-) Maggie
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5
but what do you do when it's raining... 8o) andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of bwphoto4...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:14 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5 (snip) < Y- I'd rather be out shooting than building a camera!) H Maggie _
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5
(snip) <> Yes, I've been really impressed with what I've read about the Zero Image 4x5. That's why I've asked for one for Christmas. That's also why I don't want to build my own at this point - I really like the fact that it is a flexible system (not to mention the lack of time - I'd rather be out shooting than building a camera!) However, back to my original question - I mainly work in medium format, and some 35mm. While I understand the concept of cut sheet film, and the whole idea of a film holder, and darkslides, and loading it in darkness, I am still unsure as to the best type of film holder to use with this particular camera. I've seen tons and tons of them on Ebay, ranging in price from 5 bucks on up to much much more . . . and with (as is usual with stuff on Ebay) a wide variety of quality and age. What should I be looking for? Is there any particular make that would be better than any other? Also keep in mind that, just like many of us, I am on a budget - while it's not a very tight budget, I certainly don't want to be spending a hundred bucks if I can get away with much less. So. . . any specific suggestions? Especially of the non-Polaroid type? Maggie
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5
A beginner may want to use an ortho sheet film to start with, since it can be handled under a safelight. Ilford Ortho Plus is an example. They may also want to see what films are available through Freestyle Sales and Photo Warehouse since that may be less expensive than going to the local camera store. As for sheet film tanks, the HP CombiPlan tank seems to have a good reputation. It seals and can be inverted for agitation. The commonly available FR tank does not seal and can't be inverted. Another way to process sheet film is to use film hangers. This still needs to be done in the dark, but you can process multiple sheets at the same time without worrying about scratches in tray processing. And then there are processing tubes for sheet film.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5
Guy - new to pinhole and have not participated before but wanted to thank you for such a clear reply to Jeremiah. Perhaps you can help. While I know I will enjoy pinhole for itself, I am also a printmaker and will often be using photography to incorporate into my art. Thus, even the 8 x10 negative is often too small for contact printing onto large printmaking paper. I read something somewhere that you could double the size of a negative one time without distortion. Is that true? Thanks And thanks to all of you who participate. I am learning a lot. And boy, can you folks talk. :-)) My mailbox overflows but I love it as there is something new everyday. Hope I can make a contribution as I learn more. Cheers Ray Esposito The Melanie Parkhurst Art Centers featuring Jim and Beth Philion Center for Graphic & Prints Arts Princes Anne Center for Fine Art Photography benefiting The Brass Ring Society, Inc. brassr...@brassring.org http://homepages.about.com/brassring/brassring/ http://www.printhousegallery.org My Personal Web Page http://homepages.about.com/brassring/rays_gallery/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5
Jeremiah, The Zero 4x5 is a beauty and it has to be the most simple 4x5 pinhole/zoneplate camera to use on the market. With its clever system of extension frames, you can increase the focal length from 25mm to whatever length you wish, in increments of 25mm. Sort of like having a zoom on your 4x5 camera! What is at issue then for users is how familiar they are with large-format film and film holders. Film holders are two-sided contraptions designed to hold the film securely in place with a removable dark slide which keeps the film securely protected from light when not in the camera and which you remove at the time of the exposure. You load the film in the film holder either in total darkness or in a changing bag. Film comes in boxes of 10, 25, 50 sheets. You need to open the box in total darkness or in a changing bag. Loading film in the film holder is a relatively easy operation once you have acquired a little practice with a sheet or two in full daylight. If you are serious about shooting with the 4x5 format, you will need something like 5 to 10 film holders to get around, which will give you 10 to 20 exposures. You can buy them used on eBay for very little money. Processing sheet film is more complex than rollfilm, since you have to do it in trays in full darkness. There are tanks on the market which claim to be appropriate for processing sheet film in daylight, but I don't know any that really does the job. You can process from one to 4-5 sheets at a time in a tray, depending on how experienced you are. I'm sure that you can find all the information about tray processing on the internet. Of course, you can load paper in the film holder and this will give you paper negatives. This is the easiest way to get started with 4x5 format. Another possibility, althgough it gets quite expensive, is to use a Polaroid 4x5 film back which you load with Polaroid film. Polaroid Type 55 will give you both a print an a negative that you can work with later on. That's as simple as that Jeremiah. Large format photography (lens or lensless) is ultimately a Zen activity. It takes more time to make a picture than with rollfilm. But then, it's always nice to think in depth about what it is that you want to shoot before you do. You need to look around more, bfore shooting. If you get into 4x5, you'll also really enjoy the pleasure of getting large-sized images which you can either contact print or blow up to infinity on your enlarger. Cheers, Guy tricks...@aol.com wrote: > This whole discussion on the Zero Image 4x5 and film holders has sparked an > interest in me. I was thinking about getting a zero image 4x5 as well, but am > kind of hesitating because I'm not that familiar with any of the terminology > like film holders and so forth. I'm mostly familiar with 35mm and stuff. > > Anyway, since we're discussing it and everything do you think someone could > explain to me what you need for this type of camera and if any of you have > had any experience and luck with it. Also drawbacks too, if possible. What is > all the equipment you need for the camera and how does it work etc.. I would > be most greatfull for help. Thanks all! > --Jeremiah > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5
I just purchased and built the 4X5 pinhole camera kit from Bender Photographic. I am very pleased with the kit. http://www.benderphoto.com/pincam.htm The instructions are very clear and Jay is extremely responsive (email & phone). The kit took me the better part of a day to assemble. Quite inexpensive ($79.95). -Steve Wilson -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???] On Behalf Of tricks...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:04 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5 This whole discussion on the Zero Image 4x5 and film holders has sparked an interest in me. I was thinking about getting a zero image 4x5 as well, but am kind of hesitating because I'm not that familiar with any of the terminology like film holders and so forth. I'm mostly familiar with 35mm and stuff. Anyway, since we're discussing it and everything do you think someone could explain to me what you need for this type of camera and if any of you have had any experience and luck with it. Also drawbacks too, if possible. What is all the equipment you need for the camera and how does it work etc.. I would be most greatfull for help. Thanks all! --Jeremiah ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Film Holders and Zero Image 4x5
This whole discussion on the Zero Image 4x5 and film holders has sparked an interest in me. I was thinking about getting a zero image 4x5 as well, but am kind of hesitating because I'm not that familiar with any of the terminology like film holders and so forth. I'm mostly familiar with 35mm and stuff. Anyway, since we're discussing it and everything do you think someone could explain to me what you need for this type of camera and if any of you have had any experience and luck with it. Also drawbacks too, if possible. What is all the equipment you need for the camera and how does it work etc.. I would be most greatfull for help. Thanks all! --Jeremiah
