Re: [pinhole-discussion] Finney observations (was My "personal day" off from work...)
If you are unable to free yourself from worrying about this, which would be my first suggestion, you can draw out your sight lines for each inch of bellows extension on a piece of cardboard, lay it on top of the camera, centered on the film plane and go to it. For closeup work, a laser pointer held against each side of the camera with the ray landing on the subject will tell you where the camera is centered. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Finney observations (was My "personal day" off from work...) > > > Yes, I was kind of surprised that the edges hadn't "fallen off" more than > they did, however this is the only 40mm I have taken . > > My only problem with the Finney is this: > > In the past, when using a Leonardo camera, I always could visualize what > portions of my scene would be in the final negative by lining up my vision > down "guidelines", which were traced on the camerabody from the negative > corners, down to the pinhole. > > Obviously, with an extendable bellows camera, lines can't be traced on the > camera (nor would I want to on a Finney!), so, my question is, how are > Finney users lining up what will be on the final image when they are > making a photograph? Guesswork? > > I thought about making a minute mark on the top-center of the "lens" > board, and a tiny mark corresponding to each corner of the film plane, so > that I could line up my picture. I hate to significantly modify the > camera in this way, all though I did remove the carrying handle, to help > me compose my first photos. > > The ground glass viewing plate is dissapointing except, maybe, for > decoration. From my initial observations, it would appear that you would > have to have a dark cloth wrapped tightly in order to utilize it as an aid > in composition. > > These are my only negatives with the camera- in every other way, the > Finney is a really great tool, and, a piece of art in it's own right! > > Any comments? > > > > > On Fri, 11 May 2001, Edward Levinson wrote: > > > > > >Although is was kind of spooky, I got up the > > >nerve to go inside the building (the door was open), > > >and took this photograph: > > > > > >http://www.hiddenworld.net/files/masters2.jpg > > > > > >The interior of the building is pretty delapidated, > > >and some of the floor is rotting through, and > > >the pews are dusty. This picture was taken with > > >an exposure of 9 minutes, and demonstrates the > > >most wide angle shot you can get with a Finney. > > >(40mm focal length). > > > > Jeff, > > > > You will enjoy the Finney. I have one and it is now well worn in. I find > > the super wide 40mm works well for that kind of interior and big trees that > > otherwise wouldn't get in the picture. But the negatives are "difficult" > > to print if they are made on a bright sunny day outside due to the fall off > > at the edges. > > > > ED > > > > > > Edward Levinson > > *Specializing in Fine Art and Editorial Pinhole Photography* > > *online portfolio at http://www.awa.or.jp/home/edo * > > > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Finney observations (was My "personal day" off from work...)
Hi Jeff, (Comments below) Tom - Original Message - From: "Jeff Dilcher" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Finney observations (was My "personal day" off from work...) > > > My only problem with the Finney is this: > > In the past, when using a Leonardo camera, I always could visualize what > portions of my scene would be in the final negative by lining up my vision > down "guidelines", which were traced on the camerabody from the negative > corners, down to the pinhole. > > Obviously, with an extendable bellows camera, lines can't be traced on the > camera (nor would I want to on a Finney!), so, my question is, how are > Finney users lining up what will be on the final image when they are > making a photograph? Guesswork? > I put one finger on the middle of the "lensboard" and another finger on the edge of the film plane and look down the imaginary line. Kinda rough, but it gives an OK idea of what will be in the image. I've thought of using rubber bands as guidelines, but just don't have the heart to pound or screw things into the Finney. > > The ground glass viewing plate is dissapointing except, maybe, for > decoration. From my initial observations, it would appear that you would > have to have a dark cloth wrapped tightly in order to utilize it as an aid > in composition. > You do need a dark cloth wrapper completely around the camera: NO LIGHT can get throught. I've only done this two or three times; using imaginary lines works well in most cases.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Finney observations (was My "personal day" off from work...)
George L Smyth wrote: > --- Jeff Dilcher wrote: > how are Finney users lining up what will be on the final image when they are > making a photograph? Guesswork? > > > My guess would be that a string could be run from a pin placed at one side of > the negative to a pin above the pinhole, back to a pin on the other side of > the > negative. I've done this sort of thing before, but then this hasn't exactly > been on a $1,000 camera. > One of the magic of pinhole photography for me is the degree of uncertainty that is associated with the fact that you do not have a viewfinder to perfectly frame the image. I use the flat of my hand as a rough guide of where the extemities of the image lie and this has generaly worked well. The more you use the camera, the better you get the feel for where the edges of the image will be. Of course, with a bellows camera this feeling will take longer than with a fixed focal length camera. Guy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Finney observations (was My "personal day" off from work...)
--- Jeff Dilcher wrote: [clip] > My only problem with the Finney is this: [clip] > Obviously, with an extendable bellows camera, lines can't be traced on the > camera (nor would I want to on a Finney!), so, my question is, how are > Finney users lining up what will be on the final image when they are > making a photograph? Guesswork? [clip] My guess would be that a string could be run from a pin placed at one side of the negative to a pin above the pinhole, back to a pin on the other side of the negative. I've done this sort of thing before, but then this hasn't exactly been on a $1,000 camera. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
[pinhole-discussion] Finney observations (was My "personal day" off from work...)
Yes, I was kind of surprised that the edges hadn't "fallen off" more than they did, however this is the only 40mm I have taken . My only problem with the Finney is this: In the past, when using a Leonardo camera, I always could visualize what portions of my scene would be in the final negative by lining up my vision down "guidelines", which were traced on the camerabody from the negative corners, down to the pinhole. Obviously, with an extendable bellows camera, lines can't be traced on the camera (nor would I want to on a Finney!), so, my question is, how are Finney users lining up what will be on the final image when they are making a photograph? Guesswork? I thought about making a minute mark on the top-center of the "lens" board, and a tiny mark corresponding to each corner of the film plane, so that I could line up my picture. I hate to significantly modify the camera in this way, all though I did remove the carrying handle, to help me compose my first photos. The ground glass viewing plate is dissapointing except, maybe, for decoration. From my initial observations, it would appear that you would have to have a dark cloth wrapped tightly in order to utilize it as an aid in composition. These are my only negatives with the camera- in every other way, the Finney is a really great tool, and, a piece of art in it's own right! Any comments? On Fri, 11 May 2001, Edward Levinson wrote: > > >Although is was kind of spooky, I got up the > >nerve to go inside the building (the door was open), > >and took this photograph: > > > >http://www.hiddenworld.net/files/masters2.jpg > > > >The interior of the building is pretty delapidated, > >and some of the floor is rotting through, and > >the pews are dusty. This picture was taken with > >an exposure of 9 minutes, and demonstrates the > >most wide angle shot you can get with a Finney. > >(40mm focal length). > > Jeff, > > You will enjoy the Finney. I have one and it is now well worn in. I find > the super wide 40mm works well for that kind of interior and big trees that > otherwise wouldn't get in the picture. But the negatives are "difficult" > to print if they are made on a bright sunny day outside due to the fall off > at the edges. > > ED > > > Edward Levinson > *Specializing in Fine Art and Editorial Pinhole Photography* > *online portfolio at http://www.awa.or.jp/home/edo * > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
