[pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am not to up to speed on what color films are notable today...
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
William Yes, I tend to use these tables for all negative films, both colour and B/W. I know that, strictly speaking, there are different tables for different films, but I get the kind of results I like using this table. I haven't tried TMax for pinhole shote, mainly because I hate TMax generally - the highlights seem to go out of control at the slightest provocation. My own B/W films of choice are Ilford HP5 Plus and FP4 Plus, though Agfapan 100 is good, too. Regards Derek Derek Watkins & Associates 27 Bray's Lane Coventry CV2 4DT Tel:024 7645 4419 Fax:024 7645 8989 Mobile: 077 7893 3094 -Original Message- From: INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: 04 August 2001 11:50 To: INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film Do you use the same table for all films? Simmons' large format camera book lists different reciprocity correction for different films. I know that triX needs a lot more than Tmax, for instance, but I don't know about differences among color films.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Do you use the same table for all films? Simmons' large format camera book lists different reciprocity correction for different films. I know that triX needs a lot more than Tmax, for instance, but I don't know about differences among color films. - Original Message - From: Derek Watkins <100015@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 5:33 AM Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > Jeff > > For anything longer than 2 seconds (not 5 seconds as I previously wrote) > Fuji say simply 'Not Recommended'. So I use the following reciprocity > table, which I tend to use for B/W films, too. > > Indicated exposure Multiply by Final exposure > 1 secondx1.25 1.25 seconds > 5 seconds x1.57.5 seconds > 15 seconds x2 30 seconds > 45 seconds x2.51 min 52 sec > 2 minutes x3 6 minutes > 5 minutes x4 20 minutes > 10 minutes x5 50 minutes > 20 minutes x6 2 hours > 40 minutes x8 5.5 hours > > So you can see that by working back from my 16 minute exposure, the > original exposure indicated by my Pentax Spot meter was 4 minutes (at f/256 > on my home-made 90mm focal length 4 x 5in pinhole camera). > > Regards > Derek > > -- > From: INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Sent: 03 August 2001 18:12 > To: "'INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ???'" > Subject:RE: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > > > Thanks Derek! > > Have you come up with your own reciprocity adjustments, > or are you using what the manufacturer suggests? > > -Jeff > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Hi Joao I haven't tried NPL, though I intend to. I believe you're right about S standing for short and L for long. If the results from NPL are anything like as good as those from NPS, they should be fine. Regards Derek -- From: INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: 04 August 2001 02:10 To: INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film Hi Derek, I used to use Fuji NPL but not for pinhole. If I remember well, the S stands for "short" exposures, like using flash lights or under daylight (not that daylight necessarily means short, specially to us) , and the "L" stands for "long" exposures, when working with tungsten illumination. The color shift, I believe, could be corrected during printing even if you decide to work under daylight. If you ever give the NPL a try, I'd love to read about any comparison. Cheers Joao
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Jeff For anything longer than 2 seconds (not 5 seconds as I previously wrote) Fuji say simply 'Not Recommended'. So I use the following reciprocity table, which I tend to use for B/W films, too. Indicated exposure Multiply by Final exposure 1 secondx1.25 1.25 seconds 5 seconds x1.57.5 seconds 15 seconds x2 30 seconds 45 seconds x2.51 min 52 sec 2 minutes x3 6 minutes 5 minutes x4 20 minutes 10 minutes x5 50 minutes 20 minutes x6 2 hours 40 minutes x8 5.5 hours So you can see that by working back from my 16 minute exposure, the original exposure indicated by my Pentax Spot meter was 4 minutes (at f/256 on my home-made 90mm focal length 4 x 5in pinhole camera). Regards Derek -- From: INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: 03 August 2001 18:12 To: "'INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ???'" Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film Thanks Derek! Have you come up with your own reciprocity adjustments, or are you using what the manufacturer suggests? -Jeff
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Hi Derek, I used to use Fuji NPL but not for pinhole. If I remember well, the S stands for "short" exposures, like using flash lights or under daylight (not that daylight necessarily means short, specially to us) , and the "L" stands for "long" exposures, when working with tungsten illumination. The color shift, I believe, could be corrected during printing even if you decide to work under daylight. If you ever give the NPL a try, I'd love to read about any comparison. Cheers Joao Derek Watkins wrote: > Jeff > > I've been shooting Fuji NPS with great success. Although the maximum > recommended exposure is 5 seconds, I've used it at 1 and 2 minutes with no > problems at all. And I made one early morning shot in October a couple of > years ago where the final exposure worked out at 16 minutes! Colour balance > on the print was fine. > > Hope this helps > > Regards > Derek > > Derek Watkins & Associates > 27 Bray's Lane > Coventry CV2 4DT > > Tel:024 7645 4419 > Fax:024 7645 8989 > Mobile: 077 7893 3094 > > -Original Message- > From: INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Sent: 02 August 2001 18:52 > To: INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject:[pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > > > Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? > > I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. > > Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity > failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures > would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. > > I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am > not to up to speed on what color films are notable today... > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Thanks Derek! Have you come up with your own reciprocity adjustments, or are you using what the manufacturer suggests? -Jeff On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Derek Watkins wrote: > Jeff > > I've been shooting Fuji NPS with great success. Although the maximum > recommended exposure is 5 seconds, I've used it at 1 and 2 minutes with no > problems at all. And I made one early morning shot in October a couple of > years ago where the final exposure worked out at 16 minutes! Colour balance > on the print was fine. > > Hope this helps
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Jeff I've been shooting Fuji NPS with great success. Although the maximum recommended exposure is 5 seconds, I've used it at 1 and 2 minutes with no problems at all. And I made one early morning shot in October a couple of years ago where the final exposure worked out at 16 minutes! Colour balance on the print was fine. Hope this helps Regards Derek Derek Watkins & Associates 27 Bray's Lane Coventry CV2 4DT Tel:024 7645 4419 Fax:024 7645 8989 Mobile: 077 7893 3094 -Original Message- From: INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: 02 August 2001 18:52 To: INTERNET:pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject:[pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am not to up to speed on what color films are notable today...
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
I've shot color slide film (Sensia II and kodak E200) in my 35mm camera with a pinhole. I don't have any problem getting good exposures. Although, I've only done this in good light where the exposures were under 10 seconds. Sensia II requires no exposure compensation for reciprocity if the exposure is under 30 sec. Eric From: "William Erickson" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:27:21 -0500 Does Portra come in 4x5. It has good reciprocity characteristics. Color slide film, I'm told, is near impossible for pinhole because of narrow exposure latitude. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
On the other hand, I recently exposed several rolls of portra, using reciprocity correction that would have badly over-exposed it if the claim of no recirocity failure was true. they all came through well exposed but not badly overexposed. - Original Message - From: Tom Miller To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > I had good luck earlier this year using 4x5 Portra 160 NC and also 4x5 > Portra 100T using an 85B filter (after getting good advice from list > members on the topic). A Kodak help-line technician (who is also a > pinholer) told me that Portra daylight film (and I honestly can't > remember if he said 160 or 400) can take a 10-second exposure without > reciprocity failure. The tungsten film can go longer without > reciprocity failure. > > E6 Tungsten film cross-processed to C41 produces brilliantly colored > prints. The color is surprizingly true, although definitely leaning > toward surrealistic. > > - Original Message - > From: "William Erickson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > > > > Does Portra come in 4x5. It has good reciprocity characteristics. > Color > > slide film, I'm told, is near impossible for pinhole because of > narrow > > exposure latitude. > > - Original Message - > > From: Jeff Dilcher > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:49 PM > > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? > > > > > > I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. > > > > > > Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low > reciprocity > > > failure and not to significant color shift when taking long > exposures > > > would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. > > > > > > I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am > > > not to up to speed on what color films are notable today... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > http://www.???/discussion/ > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.???/discussion/ > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
- Original Message - From: "Jeff Dilcher" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? > > I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. > > Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity > failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures > would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. > > I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am > not to up to speed on what color films are notable today... > > > > Agfa Optimo, hands down. S. Shapiro
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
I had good luck earlier this year using 4x5 Portra 160 NC and also 4x5 Portra 100T using an 85B filter (after getting good advice from list members on the topic). A Kodak help-line technician (who is also a pinholer) told me that Portra daylight film (and I honestly can't remember if he said 160 or 400) can take a 10-second exposure without reciprocity failure. The tungsten film can go longer without reciprocity failure. E6 Tungsten film cross-processed to C41 produces brilliantly colored prints. The color is surprizingly true, although definitely leaning toward surrealistic. - Original Message - From: "William Erickson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > Does Portra come in 4x5. It has good reciprocity characteristics. Color > slide film, I'm told, is near impossible for pinhole because of narrow > exposure latitude. > - Original Message - > From: Jeff Dilcher > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:49 PM > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > > > > Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? > > > > I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. > > > > Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity > > failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures > > would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. > > > > I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am > > not to up to speed on what color films are notable today... > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.???/discussion/ > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
Does Portra come in 4x5. It has good reciprocity characteristics. Color slide film, I'm told, is near impossible for pinhole because of narrow exposure latitude. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film > Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? > > I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. > > Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity > failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures > would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. > > I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am > not to up to speed on what color films are notable today... > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
