Re: [pinhole-discussion] Roman Numerology IXX = 19; D'Arcy download left click onlty for me

2003-02-23 Thread Brian Reynolds
Uptown Gallery wrote:
> Roman numerology: There are some weird and less conventional
> patterns, like IX = V (rare) and maybe the article being 100-ish
> years old has something to do with it.

The Romans wrote 4 as .  4 = IV is a medieval invention (according
to my wife with a degree in Medieval and Renaissance Studies).

> But IXX sounds 'normal' to me - whenever a smaller 'number' precedes
> a larger, it is subtracted from the following larger 'numbers'. IXX
> = (-1) + 2(10) = 19

I would expect 19 to be XIX (10 + 9, or 10 + 10 - 1).  You're supposed
to group the various powers of ten (units, tens, hundreds, etc.)
together.

I = 1, V = 5, X = 10, L = 50, C = 100, D = 500, M = 1000

> 2003 = MMIII
> but
> 1997 = IIIMM

I believe that 1997 is MCMXCVII (1000 + 900 + 90 + 5 + 2).

There is a pretty nifty web page for converting Arabic Numerals to
Roman and doing date conversions.
http://www.guernsey.net/~sgibbs/roman.html>

Movies and TV shows used Roman Numerals in their Copyright notices
until the 1990's.  I suspect they stop because they thought it was too
hard for people to figure out the dates.  Today I see some people
switching back to Roman Numerals (2003 = MMIII), and many not putting
any date with their Copyright notice.

> incredibly stupid invention - an LED dot matrix display Roman
> Numeral Clock...kit, no less, in a wood cabinet.
>
> If I wanted a furniture-finish clock, why the heck would I want to
> look at LED's forming hours minutes and seconds in dot matrix
> patterns with bad 'Roman Numeral grammar', the V being an
> example of the latter? It was as ugly as it was stupid.

Perhaps the person who built the clock was being humorous.  I've seen
at least one cartoon of a grandfather clock with a digital display.

Maybe he was making a statement about putting electronic clock works
(most of the clock faces you see with Roman Numerals have Quartz
movements behind them) in a hand made clock case.

Or maybe he was doing because he could.  Pretty much the reason I use
a pinhole when a lens could produce a "better" picture.

> I'll stick with a sun dial if I want Roman Numerals on my clock
> faces!

I'd expect a Moorish sundial to have Arabic Numerals.  :)

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[pinhole-discussion] Roman Numerology IXX = 19; D'Arcy download left click onlty for me

2003-02-22 Thread Uptown Gallery
I could not download with right click on Acrobat Reader 5.0 (no response at
all; have never had that before) but left click was fine.

Luckily my day job has high speed (files downloads can get in the
megabit/second rate) Internet so I download biggie files there.

Roman numerology: There are some weird and less conventional patterns, like
IX = V (rare) and maybe the article being 100-ish years old has
something to do with it.

But IXX sounds 'normal' to me - whenever a smaller 'number' precedes a
larger, it is subtracted from the following larger 'numbers'. IXX = (-1) +
2(10) = 19

2003 = MMIII
but
1997 = IIIMM

The only time I ever saw V used instead of IX was on what I think is an
incredibly stupid invention - an LED dot matrix display Roman Numeral
Clock...kit, no less, in a wood cabinet.

If I wanted a furniture-finish clock, why the heck would I want to look at
LED's forming hours minutes and seconds in dot matrix patterns with bad
'Roman Numeral grammar', the V being an example of the latter? It was as
ugly as it was stupid.

I'll stick with a sun dial if I want Roman Numerals on my clock faces!

Murray


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