Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
Hi all, "Des cliques et des claques..." for French speaking pinholists ! 1) For converting a Agfa Clack into a pinhole camera, just have a look at the following site : http://www.kosara.net/photo/lochlomo.html The "loch lomo" page (it is as a joke) is full of info and plans for doing easily this conversion ! 2) About the Agfa Click, as Mike wrote, it is a plastic camera but it was not ony sold in France. Actually there has been 2 models of Click : Clicks I and Clicks II were built from 1958 until 1970, mainly in Germany. For some time an Agfa factory located in Strasbourg (France, at the border with Germany) built some Click I cameras. This "French" production was motivated by trying to escape the tariff barriers which, at the end of the 50 ies prevented entrance of foreign cameras in France ... The French models are heavier than the German ones because a small piece of metal had been added inside just to make them weight a little more : weight was considered as a sign of "seriousness" by French consumers ! Another difference is the presence of a small plate "Fabriqué en France" on the Strasbourg models . Well, all this historical stuff is not so important! Just get a Click or a Clack, and turn it into a pleasant pinhole camera and have fun with it... Hope it helps Cheers from France Jean - Original Message - From: "Mike Vande Bunt" To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion > Gregory Parkinson wrote: > > > These are fun cameras. There's also the Agfa Click which > > I think is the same but 6x6. > > > > The information that I have seen is that the Click (supposedly > only sold originally in France) was made of plastic and is of > about the same quality as the Holga. The Clack was made > of metal and was better quality. > > > > > Prepared for some pretty fuzzy images. Mine didn't show > > the center sharpness that my Dianas have. > > > > My Clack had very good sharpness on the one roll of film > that I ran through it. I can't compare it with my Diana since > the Diana has a faulty shutter... > > Mike Vande Bunt > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
Gregory Parkinson wrote: > These are fun cameras. There's also the Agfa Click which > I think is the same but 6x6. > The information that I have seen is that the Click (supposedly only sold originally in France) was made of plastic and is of about the same quality as the Holga. The Clack was made of metal and was better quality. > > Prepared for some pretty fuzzy images. Mine didn't show > the center sharpness that my Dianas have. > My Clack had very good sharpness on the one roll of film that I ran through it. I can't compare it with my Diana since the Diana has a faulty shutter... Mike Vande Bunt
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
Guy Glorieux wrote: > Murray, > > You could also try to put your hands on an old Agfa Clack. It does 6x9 format > on 120 film. It also has a tripod socket, which is neat when you do long > exposures. > > They were made in Germany and you can find them on eBay, mostly German > sellers. > I just got one in the mail this morning. I'm pondering between keeping the > plastic lens and using it as a lens camera or converting it to pinhole. > > Hmmm... Perhaps I should get a second one... -:)) > Try it before you take the lens off. I have one and it takes excellent pictures (with the usual box camera restrictions that come with a single shutter speed and lens opening...). I'm pretty sure that the lens is actually glass. Go ahead and get a second one for pinhole. Mike Vande Bunt
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
These are fun cameras. There's also the Agfa Click which I think is the same but 6x6. Prepared for some pretty fuzzy images. Mine didn't show the center sharpness that my Dianas have. There are a number of screw-out-lens cameras, like the Wembley Sports, that may be usable as well. On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Guy Glorieux wrote: > Murray, > > You could also try to put your hands on an old Agfa Clack. It does 6x9 format > on 120 film. It also has a tripod socket, which is neat when you do long > exposures. > > They were made in Germany and you can find them on eBay, mostly German > sellers. > I just got one in the mail this morning. I'm pondering between keeping the > plastic lens and using it as a lens camera or converting it to pinhole. > > Hmmm... Perhaps I should get a second one... -:)) > > Guy > > Murray wrote: > > > Any recommendations for a cheap 120 camera that's pinhole convertable? Maybe > > I should do that intermediary step before going to 4 x 5 sheet film. > > > > Thanks > > > > Murray > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
Murray, You could also try to put your hands on an old Agfa Clack. It does 6x9 format on 120 film. It also has a tripod socket, which is neat when you do long exposures. They were made in Germany and you can find them on eBay, mostly German sellers. I just got one in the mail this morning. I'm pondering between keeping the plastic lens and using it as a lens camera or converting it to pinhole. Hmmm... Perhaps I should get a second one... -:)) Guy Murray wrote: > Any recommendations for a cheap 120 camera that's pinhole convertable? Maybe > I should do that intermediary step before going to 4 x 5 sheet film. > > Thanks > > Murray
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
it is extremely easy to convert a holga to a pinhole. Even going to the point of making it into a bulb shuttered, with the origonal shutter. - Original Message - From: "Bill Erickson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion > Holga, costs about $13. > - Original Message - > From: "Murray" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:42 PM > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion > > > > Any recommendations for a cheap 120 camera that's pinhole convertable? > Maybe > > I should do that intermediary step before going to 4 x 5 sheet film. > > > > Thanks > > > > Murray > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.???/discussion/ > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
Holga, costs about $13. - Original Message - From: "Murray" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:42 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion > Any recommendations for a cheap 120 camera that's pinhole convertable? Maybe > I should do that intermediary step before going to 4 x 5 sheet film. > > Thanks > > Murray > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
I work with a Brownie HawkEye converted to 120. It's the camera I use most. It is a bit tricky to use/convert, since it won't accept a 120 spool as the "take-up" spool. So you need to have one or several of the original spools. You also need to file the grooves along which the film moves on the back of the camera so that the black paper protecting your film does not rip. Having done that and having replaced the plastic lens with a pinhole, you have a great 6x6 camera. This said, I agree with George that you don't need to go medium-format before going to large format. You can find cheap film holders on eBay and it's easy to build a box that will fit them. Of course, you can also get Zernike's new Zero 4x5 pinhole camera from Zero Image. Looks like a beauty! If you have an enlarger that will accomodate 4x5, then all the better. Otherwise, you'll have to work with contact prints. These can be beautiful on 8x10 paper. Cheers, Guy Murray wrote: > Any recommendations for a cheap 120 camera that's pinhole convertable? Maybe > I should do that intermediary step before going to 4 x 5 sheet film. > > Thanks > > Murray
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
--- Murray wrote: > Any recommendations for a cheap 120 camera that's pinhole convertable? Maybe > I should do that intermediary step before going to 4 x 5 sheet film. I converted an old (circa 1916) Brownie camera that works just fine. I wouldn't see a need to do this as an "intermediary" step to 4X5 however. If you want to go large format, just go large format. With a bit of prudence, your costs will be minimal. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
Any recommendations for a cheap 120 camera that's pinhole convertable? Maybe I should do that intermediary step before going to 4 x 5 sheet film. Thanks Murray My favorites for wide-angle use are just about any 120-format folding camera. Ansco Speedex Jr. for 6x6 and Ansco Viking for 6x9 often sell on eBay for less than $10, particularly if the bellows is bad. (I've no had much luck with thrift stores.) Just pull the fold-out front and bellows off and glue a plate on the front. Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion
Holga. $20 or less. I also used a rollfilm back from my 4x5 camera, with the addition of a wooden frame to hold the pinhole out away from the back. Extreme wide angle, 1" focal length. The pinhole is mounted into a 4x5 film box top. I can just come up with another box top configuration if I wanted to change focal lengths or to a zone plate, neither of which I've done. - Original Message - From: Murray To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion > Any recommendations for a cheap 120 camera that's pinhole convertable? Maybe > I should do that intermediary step before going to 4 x 5 sheet film. > > Thanks > > Murray > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
