Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
OK, here is what I do: As a solvent I now use Seriwash which is a silk screen cleaner from Sericol. But I have used others in the past, i.e. various paint thinners like from Humbrol to thin enamel paints which come in tiny little pots, for painting models like tin soldiers, I believe.( I live in the UK so I don't know what other solvents are available elsewhere.) It is best to tape the watercolour paper onto a smooth surface (make sure the solvent doesn't harm the surface). I find glass is best. The xerox is then taped with masking tape (for more easy removal later on without tearing the paper) face down onto smooth surfaced or very lightly textured watercolour paper. Smooth is a must for beginners as it is difficult to get the colours into the dimples of the paper. The solvent is then applied to the back of the xerox with a cotton rag and pressure is applied with the back of the spoon. Some people use an extremely hard brayer. I find it easier to do a print in sections, i.e. to get the first inch transferred before moving onto the next one, and I only apply the solvent to a small section at a time because it takes some time to transfer and in the meantime the sections you are not working on are drying again and too many solvent applications sometimes make the colours run into each other. To check whether all you want to transfer has been transferred, carefully lift a corner of the xerox and take a look. Make sure to align it and tape it back down properly again. Also make sure that the no part of the sandwich moves during the transfer as you are applying quite a lot of pressure. The whole process has to be done in extremely good ventilation; I do it outside wearing rubber gloves and a face mask. Once a transfer is completed it takes a couple of days for the smell of the solvent to evaporate. I find it not an easy technique and to start with it requires a lot of patience until you have worked out the right solvent/paper/xerox combination . I use this process only for special images. You can transfer all or only parts of the image. I sometimes transfer only small parts of the edges of the xerox copy to give a feathered soft watercolour look edge. There might me some info on this process in the archives of the alt-photo-process list. Good luck, Brigitte. Guillermo pen...@home.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent by: cc: pinhole-discussion-admin@pSubject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours inhole.com 16/08/2001 14:16 Please respond to pinhole-discussion - Original Message - From: brigitte.har...@london.glencore.com Or how about taking it further still. I get the xerox copies printed with the image reversed and then transfer the image with solvent onto watercolour paper. Prints done this way about 7-8 years ago show no visible changes in colour. Regards, Brigitte. I heard before of this technique but never sounded as a good thing to try, but now, it really does!! So let me ask you: could you give me specifics on the solvent you use and if possible the technique used to transfer the image? Pls, be as prolific as possible in your explanation. Many thanks Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. The contents of this email and any attachments are strictly confidential and they may not be used or disclosed by someone who is not a named
RE: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
I too would like to here more about this transfer of Xerox copies. I transfered printed magazine images by rubbing [burnishing] like mad and using lighter fluid years ago. Chuck Flagg Or how about taking it further still. I get the xerox copies printed with the image reversed and then transfer the image with solvent onto watercolour paper. Prints done this way about 7-8 years ago show no visible changes in colour. Regards, Brigitte.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
Brigitte, Lots of folks would like to know this technique! Thanks, Jim K www.paintcancamera.com - Original Message - From: brigitte.har...@london.glencore.com Or how about taking it further still. I get the xerox copies printed with the image reversed and then transfer the image with solvent onto watercolour paper. Prints done this way about 7-8 years ago show no visible changes in colour. Regards, Brigitte. I heard before of this technique but never sounded as a good thing to try, but now, it really does!! So let me ask you: could you give me specifics on the solvent you use and if possible the technique used to transfer the image? Pls, be as prolific as possible in your explanation. Many thanks Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
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Or how about taking it further still. I get the xerox copies printed with the image reversed and then transfer the image with solvent onto watercolour paper. Prints done this way about 7-8 years ago show no visible changes in colour. Regards, Brigitte. Gordon J. Holtslander hol...@duke.usask.caTo: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent by: cc: pinhole-discussion-admin@pSubject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours inhole.com 15/08/2001 15:42 Please respond to pinhole-discussion what about making a color xerox (or what ever brand copier) of the print. I don't know how archival the toners used in color copiers are, but they are likely better than the standard ink jet ink. These may be pigment based rather than dye based. If so there are likely far more stable. I knew a photographer once who was on a limited budget - shot everything on slides (a six by nine slides from a Makina - spent all his money on this camera!) - when he wanted a prints he took his slides to a color copying shop and made enlargments on the copier. He soon knew how to use the copiers better than most people who ran the shops. Took things a step further and cut up his color copies and made photo-collages, using his own and found images and copied the collage to make its final collage print. One could do this with a computer now. Oops but this isn't pinhole. That was ten years ago - I'll see if I have any of his color copy prints, and check whether they have degraded. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Jan Hinderson wrote: Does anyone know a better alternative than Canons own colurs for their printers? I use a Canon BJC 7000 printer with Canon BC-60 Black ink and BC 62 Photo Color ink. I have not had any problems before, but in my last exhibition I hung my pinhole colour prints in a greenhouse where they have been exposed to direct sunlight all day for two months and upon that high humidity in the nights. And that was a bit too tough! In the last weeks of the exhibition the pictures began to lose some of the colour, they became paler and turned more to the green. The theme for the picuters is garden vegetation and from a philosophical point of view I can se the changes in the print colour as a parallell to the changes in nature when we are turning into late summer and autumn - but I don't think that the potential buyers of my pictures are willing to buy that kind of reasoning. So - is there a more resistant and safe printer ink on the market, that one can use in Canon printers? Jan Hinderson ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ - Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology hol...@duke.usask.ca 112 Science Place http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsgUniversity of Saskatchewan Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 - ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. The contents of this email and any attachments are strictly confidential and they may not be used or disclosed by someone who is not a named recipient. If you have received this email in error please notify
RE: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
There was an article in today's NY Times online (free, just subscribe) about a retrospective exhibit of Hockney. Synchronicity? Michael Keller www.mikekellerphoto.com |-Original Message- |From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? |[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Colin Talcroft |Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:30 PM |To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? |Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours | | |I'll keep this short, as it is off-topic, but artist |David Hockney did a lot of work in the 80s (I think) |using color copiers and this is believed to be more or |less permanent. However, at the time it was already |clear that some copiers were much better than others |regarding permanency. An Internet search into Hockney |and this body of work would likely lead to more |info--or the library. |
Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
I'll keep this short, as it is off-topic, but artist David Hockney did a lot of work in the 80s (I think) using color copiers and this is believed to be more or less permanent. However, at the time it was already clear that some copiers were much better than others regarding permanency. An Internet search into Hockney and this body of work would likely lead to more info--or the library. Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
what about making a color xerox (or what ever brand copier) of the print. I don't know how archival the toners used in color copiers are, but they are likely better than the standard ink jet ink. These may be pigment based rather than dye based. If so there are likely far more stable. I knew a photographer once who was on a limited budget - shot everything on slides (a six by nine slides from a Makina - spent all his money on this camera!) - when he wanted a prints he took his slides to a color copying shop and made enlargments on the copier. He soon knew how to use the copiers better than most people who ran the shops. Took things a step further and cut up his color copies and made photo-collages, using his own and found images and copied the collage to make its final collage print. One could do this with a computer now. Oops but this isn't pinhole. That was ten years ago - I'll see if I have any of his color copy prints, and check whether they have degraded. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Jan Hinderson wrote: Does anyone know a better alternative than Canons own colurs for their printers? I use a Canon BJC 7000 printer with Canon BC-60 Black ink and BC 62 Photo Color ink. I have not had any problems before, but in my last exhibition I hung my pinhole colour prints in a greenhouse where they have been exposed to direct sunlight all day for two months and upon that high humidity in the nights. And that was a bit too tough! In the last weeks of the exhibition the pictures began to lose some of the colour, they became paler and turned more to the green. The theme for the picuters is garden vegetation and from a philosophical point of view I can se the changes in the print colour as a parallell to the changes in nature when we are turning into late summer and autumn - but I don't think that the potential buyers of my pictures are willing to buy that kind of reasoning. So - is there a more resistant and safe printer ink on the market, that one can use in Canon printers? Jan Hinderson ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ - Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology hol...@duke.usask.ca112 Science Place http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsgUniversity of Saskatchewan Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 -
RE: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
ok ok ok so I goofed 8o) andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Guillermo Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:50 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours - Original Message - From: Thomas Harvey harv...@aracnet.com I think the QuadTone inks will be a lot tougher on colors than the fading! That's right, QuadTone inks are for BW printing only. There are, however, archival color inksets for consumer grade Epson printers (the $300-or-so 1160 model, for example) 1160 is unfortunately out of production, you see some once in a while at eBay. Its fame is so great, soon it might become a cult printer, very much like a plastic Diana camera is today, commanding -perhaps- higher prices than when new. Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
- Original Message - From: Thomas Harvey harv...@aracnet.com I think the QuadTone inks will be a lot tougher on colors than the fading! That's right, QuadTone inks are for BW printing only. There are, however, archival color inksets for consumer grade Epson printers (the $300-or-so 1160 model, for example) 1160 is unfortunately out of production, you see some once in a while at eBay. Its fame is so great, soon it might become a cult printer, very much like a plastic Diana camera is today, commanding -perhaps- higher prices than when new. Guillermo
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- Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net Try Epson's web site. I think one model is called a 2000 or 2000p. It is listed under their inkjet printers.. The Epson 1280 is -I believe- as good a printer as the more expensive 2000P, but Epson doesn't make the archival cartridges for it, but OEM archival cartridges can be bought from several sources. Guillermo
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Hi, Olympus has an archival dye-sub printer that can be used with a computer or as a stand-alone printer using your cameras removable media. Look at - P400.olympus.com - Regards, David Quackenbush GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours
Try Epson's web site. I think one model is called a 2000 or 2000p. It is listed under their inkjet printers.. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Colin Talcroft wrote: Does anyone know names and model numbers of the archival printers from Epson that Jeff mentions? Thanks. Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
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Does anyone know names and model numbers of the archival printers from Epson that Jeff mentions? Thanks. Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
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ah yes...the ultimate summer device...removes moisture generates heat... 8o) BTW,Would you subject real photographs to a greenhouse environment in direct sunlight? You've described about the ultimate method of killing pictures, short of soaking them in water then putting them in the oven. The fact that they lasted several months speaks highly of their resilience. Take a look in the current View Camera Magazine about QuadTone inks. They may help. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of b2myo...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 7:26 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] changing colours If possible, a dehumidifier in the area will help. leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
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That is because inkjet printers use ink that is really a dye, and dyes based prints fade over (little) time. The majority of current Inkjet prints are not archival like real photographs from a darkroom can be. I have noticed that Epson has begun to make archival printers, however which they claim, the prints will last 200 years before fading. Be prepared to spend more for most of these, though. I would never sell a print to someone that is not archival... in a few years they are certainly going to be upset! On Tuesday 14 August 2001 04:07, you wrote: Does anyone know a better alternative than Canons own colurs for their printers? I use a Canon BJC 7000 printer with Canon BC-60 Black ink and BC 62 Photo Color ink. I have not had any problems before, but in my last exhibition I hung my pinhole colour prints in a greenhouse where they have been exposed to direct sunlight all day for two months and upon that high humidity in the nights. And that was a bit too tough! In the last weeks of the exhibition the pictures began to lose some of the colour, they became paler and turned more to the green. The theme for the picuters is garden vegetation and from a philosophical point of view I can se the changes in the print colour as a parallell to the changes in nature when we are turning into late summer and autumn - but I don't think that the potential buyers of my pictures are willing to buy that kind of reasoning. So - is there a more resistant and safe printer ink on the market, that one can use in Canon printers? Jan Hinderson ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
