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Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] New release of jquery-goodies

2013-01-14 Thread Marcelo Jorge Vieira
Hi Agustin,

On Fri, 2013-01-11 at 18:31 -0300, Agustin Henze wrote:
 Hi, I added slides project[0] to jquery-goodies[1] source package. Can
 you upload it please? I need it into unstable because I have a package
 (nikola) that depends on it.
 
 [0] http://www.slidesjs.com/
 [1] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-javascript/jquery-goodies.git


I will upload it ;)

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[Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#692312:

2013-01-14 Thread Rick Waldron
It's strange to me this is even an issue that's being argued, I would
assume that a Debian package maintainer would be responsible enough to keep
up with the latest stable releases of whatever they have taken on to
maintain.

Back in the real-world, the biggest problem is that 0.6 and 0.8 use
completely different build systems, replacing waf with gyp (both for
building node and native modules). I'm sure you can appreciate and respect
the depth of this problem alone.

Please review the changes (published 6 months ago):
https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/API-changes-between-v0.6-and-v0.8

Rick
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[Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#692312: Bug#692312:

2013-01-14 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 03:09:42PM -0500, Rick Waldron wrote:
It's strange to me this is even an issue that's being argued, I would
assume that a Debian package maintainer would be responsible enough to
keep up with the latest stable releases of whatever they have taken on to
maintain.
Back in the real-world, the biggest problem is that 0.6 and 0.8 use
completely different build systems, replacing waf with gyp (both for
building node and native modules). I'm sure you can appreciate and respect
the depth of this problem alone.
Please review the changes (published 6 months ago):
[1]https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/API-changes-between-v0.6-and-v0.8

Just read through these -- there are some seriously breaking changes
new upstream releases of our node modules must be writing against this
API, I'd argue keeping nodejs back holds our packaged node apps pretty
badly.

I mean, literally anything that touches the filesystem ...

Rick
 
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1. https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/API-changes-between-v0.6-and-v0.8

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[Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#692312: Bug#692312:

2013-01-14 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Rick Waldron (2013-01-14 21:09:42)
 It's strange to me this is even an issue that's being argued, I would 
 assume that a Debian package maintainer would be responsible enough to 
 keep up with the latest stable releases of whatever they have taken on 
 to maintain.
 Back in the real-world, the biggest problem is that 0.6 and 0.8 use 
 completely different build systems, replacing waf with gyp (both for 
 building node and native modules). I'm sure you can appreciate and 
 respect the depth of this problem alone.
 Please review the changes (published 6 months ago):
 [1]https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/API-changes-between-v0.6-and-v0.8�

If the purpose of above was to contribute to move this bugreport 
forward, then you failed: It is not at all helpful to educate on how 
irresponsible maintainers are, how much of a dreamworld they live in, or 
for how long new upstream release have been out.

If the purpose was to provoke, then you succeeded.  Happy now?

What would help is elaborate on what renders Nodejs 0.6 branch unusable.

There is currently code in Debian that will potentially be rendered 
unusable by the upgrade, so it would be nice to know what would be the 
gain compared to such potential extra burden.


 - Jonas

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[Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#692312: Bug#692312:

2013-01-14 Thread Jérémy Lal
On 14/01/2013 21:46, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
 Quoting Rick Waldron (2013-01-14 21:09:42)
 It's strange to me this is even an issue that's being argued, I would 
 assume that a Debian package maintainer would be responsible enough to 
 keep up with the latest stable releases of whatever they have taken on 
 to maintain.
 Back in the real-world, the biggest problem is that 0.6 and 0.8 use 
 completely different build systems, replacing waf with gyp (both for 
 building node and native modules). I'm sure you can appreciate and 
 respect the depth of this problem alone.
 Please review the changes (published 6 months ago):
 [1]https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/API-changes-between-v0.6-and-v0.8�
 
 If the purpose of above was to contribute to move this bugreport 
 forward, then you failed: It is not at all helpful to educate on how 
 irresponsible maintainers are, how much of a dreamworld they live in, or 
 for how long new upstream release have been out.
 
 If the purpose was to provoke, then you succeeded.  Happy now?
 
 What would help is elaborate on what renders Nodejs 0.6 branch unusable.
 
 There is currently code in Debian that will potentially be rendered 
 unusable by the upgrade, so it would be nice to know what would be the 
 gain compared to such potential extra burden.

I agree with Jonas that there is no kind of urgency in updating nodejs.
Please ignore provocations like Rick Waldron does. He has even brought
that matter upstream [0].

It's a lot of work to do again, and i wish i could do it at once.
Here's what i propose (mind that all will go to experimental during freeze) :

Can be quickly done :
* update libv8 (maybe 3.15.11.x)
* update nodejs to 0.8

Takes time :
* package missing node-gyp deps, update npm deps
* package node-gyp 0.8.2

Rather quick once that is done :
* update npm to 1.2.0

Note that i'm not pledging for someone to do that - it's my intention
to do it. Helping will only make it happen sooner.


Regards,
Jérémy


[0]
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nodejs/W_6avRSG_a8




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[Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#692312: features missing from 0.6.x

2013-01-14 Thread Forrest L Norvell
Hello!

Here are some of the important changes between 0.6 and 0.8:

* replaced the node-waf build system with gyp. This greatly simplifies the
  process of building multiplatform extensions and is the currently supported
  mechanism for publishing modules with architecture-specific binary components.
  waf has been strongly deprecated upstream
* added much better support for localized error handling in the form of domains
  (http://nodejs.org/api/domain.html)
* included numerous fixes to TLS and SSL support that have not been backported
  to the (now de facto end-of-life) 0.6.21
* added access to a significant number of new JavaScript language features
  (exposed via the --harmony comand-line flag) due to being built against a 
newer
  version of V8
* made significant improvements to the cluster and child_process core modules
  (involving how data is passed between processes and how file descriptors are
  handled) that make working with subsidiary processes more straightforward and
  less error-prone
* perhaps least significantly (but something I use all over the place in the
  code I support), there is a new timer function in process.hrtime() that has
  nanosecond precision (if not accuracy)

There are also many, many minor bug fixes and tweaks between the two at an
operational level, and given that npm allows modules to specify what version of
core they'll run against, there are many modules on npm (sorry, don't have an
exact number for you, but I can get it if it's important) that will simply not
work with the version of Node packaged for Debian.

Taking a step back, upstream is getting very close to releasing 0.10, and given
that it includes a newer, rationalized version of Node's support for streams,
is going to result in a tremendously large delta between 0.6 and 0.10.

As it stands, the version of Node distributed with Debian is unusable for me,
and I regularly help confused Debian users on #node.js on Freenet either get up
and running with Chris Lea's PPA (which is for a different distribution)
because the version included with Node is too old for them as well.

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[Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#692312: Clarification on problems maintaining 0.6.x packages in the Node ecosystem.

2013-01-14 Thread Bradley Meck
This issue seems to be getting a little muddled,

Rick was pointing to issues that would affect relying on newer packages of
Node.js for existing code bases that target 0.6.x; however as Node Package
Manager (NPM) modules continue to evolve, in particular, and target the
newer versions of node certain aspects become difficult to maintain for a
0.6.x author.

These issues involve:

1. Lack of support for some problems when using the WAF build system (and
the purpose of moving to gyp covered in detail on node.js' mailing lists)
2. Misleading module support, due to default engine version. (see: `npm
help json`'s engines field)
3. Documentation issues, missing direct links to docs on the
nodejs.orgwebsite due to 0.8.x being the recommended stable release
(use google to
find em instead, and even then pick the right one?).
4. Various bug fixes that are not back ported.

These do not break any existing code for node@0.6.x, however, they could
introduce problems with maintenance, bug fixes, support, security, etc.

Removing 0.6.x would be a problematic situation since there are breaking
API changes, but it appears the original goal of this conversation was to
include a 0.8.x package more than to remove the 0.6.x package entirely. I
personally do not use the packages, but wished to clarify this since it
seems to be terse conversation that leads to confusion on both ends.

Jonas and Paul, can you clarify why those reasons are not encouraging,
and/or a way to rephrase the original intent of the issue in a manner that
is appropriate? It seems if a fork of 0.6.x was maintained and kept up to
date with all the bug fixes this would be appropriate, but as documentation
fixes and code fixes are not being back ported to 0.6.x it would be
encouraging to know the route to take this issue. We have little wish to
change your existing code, but would like to take the proper steps to
update the package to a new version for both current and future reference.

Thans for your patience,
Bradley Meck
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[Pkg-javascript-devel] Hello my dear

2013-01-14 Thread Mercy Stokes


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[Pkg-javascript-devel] Hello my dear

2013-01-14 Thread Mercy Stokes


How are you doing today? I Hope fine.
My name is Mercy Stokes. I am interested in friendship with you,
if you don't mind I will like you to contact me through my email address for
easy communication.
I promise to send my picture to you and also tell you more about
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I believe distance and age doesn't matter in a serious
relationship but love matters most.
I will be waiting for your email.
Yours sincerely,
Mercy,


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